Linux-Advocacy Digest #595, Volume #26 Fri, 19 May 00 07:13:03 EDT
Contents:
Re: 4 year old anecdotal evidence!! (John Travis)
Re: HUMOR: CSMA has the Tholenbot... we should have the Templetonbot. (was Re:
The "outlook" for kooks) (Pascal Haakmat)
Re: Ten Reasons Why Linux Sucks (Tim Koklas)
Re: HUMOR: CSMA has the Tholenbot... we should have the Templetonbot. (was
Re: The "outlook" for kooks) (Pascal Haakmat)
Re: HUMOR: CSMA has the Tholenbot... we should have the Templetonbot. (was
Re: The "outlook" for kooks) (Pascal Haakmat)
Re: HUMOR: CSMA has the Tholenbot... we should have the Templetonbot. (was Re: The
"outlook" for kooks) (Pascal Haakmat)
Lies, damn lies and statistics ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: a great job (Full Name)
Re: Why only Microsoft should be allowed to create software (Illya Vaes)
Re: Why only Microsoft should be allowed to create software (Illya Vaes)
Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux ("Peter T. Breuer")
Re: Why only Microsoft should be allowed to create software (Illya Vaes)
Re: Linux lacks (Full Name)
Re: Lies, damn lies and statistics (Giuliano Colla)
Re: Why only Microsoft should be allowed to create software (Bob Germer)
Re: Why only Microsoft should be allowed to create software (Bob Germer)
Re: Why only Microsoft should be allowed to create software (Bob Germer)
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From: John Travis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: 4 year old anecdotal evidence!!
Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 03:48:00 -0500
"Stephen S. Edwards II" wrote:
>
> Charlie Ebert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> : "Stephen S. Edwards II" wrote:
> : >
> : > Perry Pip <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> : >
<snip>
Yes it is possible for X to bring down the system locally (hopefully you
can remotely login and...). As you mentioned this is very rare and
usually only occurs do to extreme user error and misconfiguration. Even
most linux users ignore his posts (as I usually do)...I suggest you do
the same. Fortunately for us, he speaks for no one but himself.
jt
--
3:30am up 2 days, 5:16, 1 user, load average: 0.17, 0.06, 0.01
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Pascal Haakmat)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: HUMOR: CSMA has the Tholenbot... we should have the Templetonbot. (was
Re: The "outlook" for kooks)
Date: 19 May 2000 09:12:59 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Marty wrote:
>Gerban Bergmen wrote (using a misspelled pseudonym again):
>
>> Marty wrote:
>>
>> >> >I see you've taken the liberty
>> >>
>> >> How does one "take liberty", Marty?
>> >
>> >It probably starts by blindfolding her, or wait... is that Justice?
>>
>> How predictable,
>
>How predictable of you to jump to an erroneous conclusion.
I see you failed to comprehend my logical argument. No surprise there.
>> coming from someone who doesn't know the difference between context
>> and digestification.
>
>On
Was I ever "off", Marty (man)?
>what basis do you make this claim?
Your little foot has no relevance here, Marty (man).
>Meanwhile, I see you've failed to
>answer the question.
Incorrect, it just takes decent answer recognition skills to see that I did.
>> >> >of removing more context.
>> >>
>> >> Non sequitur.
>> >
>> >How ironic.
>>
>> Incorrect.
>
>Typical unsubstantiated and erroneous claim.
Where allegedly?
>> Meanwhile, where is your logical argument?
>
>See above and below.
Typical lack of specificity.
>Haven't you been paying attention?
How ironic.
>> >> >Taking more context removal lessons from Dave "Watergate" Tholen?
>> >>
>> >> Why don't you ask Eric "Master of Forgery" Bennett what Cornell University
>> >> thinks of him posting under a false identity?
>> >
>> >I see you're posting from cable.a2000.nl again, Gerben. Interesting.
>>
>> "again", Marty?
>
>Reading comprehension problems?
Typical unsubstantiated and erroneous claim.
>> I see you're jumping to conclusions again.
>
>How much libel do you think you can get away with?
What I think is irrelevant, Marty (man).
>> >> >I'll restore it for you:
>> >>
>> >> Having me jump into discussions again, Marty?
>> >
>> >Illogical.
>>
>> How ironic.
>
>Irony makes a cameo appearance.
Swordfish makes a cameo appearance.
>> >> <http://awacs.dhs.org/csmatest>
>> >
>> >[PS: On Netscape 4.61 w/ Java 1.1.8 for OS/2, there's no way to see a list
>> > of choices or answer the question. I can only just keep hitting the
>> > "PLAY/TRAIN" button to cycle through a few quotes.]
>>
>> That sucks.
>
>Evidence, please.
Ask your swordfish, grasshopper.
>> You don't have a pulldown menu with poster names?
>
>Don't you know?
I see you predictably failed to answer my question. How predictable.
>> Perhaps you could try a Java appletviewer.
>
>Aren't
You are erroneously presupposing that I "aren't".
>you sure?
Non sequitur.
>> [PS: Yes, the number of posters (in my .sig) has miraculously decreased.
>
>How miraculously decreased is "miraculously decreased", Pascal?
Irrelevant mentor.
>> The previous value was simply incorrect.]
>
>No surprise there.
I see you did not object when false information was posted previously.
>Do you make it a habit of posting incorrect information?
How ironic, coming from someone who has no objections posting false
information.
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Rate your CSMA savvy by identifying the writing styles of
ancient and recent, transient and perdurable CSMA inhabitants:
(35 posters, 252 quotes)
<http://awacs.dhs.org/csmatest>
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From: Tim Koklas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Ten Reasons Why Linux Sucks
Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 09:17:13 GMT
Jim Ross wrote:
> Thanks for enumerating them.
> Jim
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Pascal Haakmat)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: HUMOR: CSMA has the Tholenbot... we should have the Templetonbot.
(was Re: The "outlook" for kooks)
Date: 19 May 2000 09:21:28 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Marty wrote:
>Not at all, Pascal. Still taking evidence denial lessons from Dave "Java 1.2"
>Tholen?
How predictable.
--
Rate your CSMA savvy by identifying the writing styles of
ancient and recent, transient and perdurable CSMA inhabitants:
(35 posters, 252 quotes)
<http://awacs.dhs.org/csmatest>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Pascal Haakmat)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: HUMOR: CSMA has the Tholenbot... we should have the Templetonbot.
(was Re: The "outlook" for kooks)
Date: 19 May 2000 09:22:41 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
tholenbot wrote:
>Illogical, as only two people are participating in this discussion.
Incorrect.
>What alleged "third person"?
More evidence of your person recognition problem.
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Rate your CSMA savvy by identifying the writing styles of
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<http://awacs.dhs.org/csmatest>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Pascal Haakmat)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: HUMOR: CSMA has the Tholenbot... we should have the Templetonbot. (was
Re: The "outlook" for kooks)
Date: 19 May 2000 09:24:48 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
tholenbot wrote:
>Denial is not a river, Myrat.
Incorrect. Just how much lies do you think you can get away with, Eric?
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Rate your CSMA savvy by identifying the writing styles of
ancient and recent, transient and perdurable CSMA inhabitants:
(35 posters, 252 quotes)
<http://awacs.dhs.org/csmatest>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Lies, damn lies and statistics
Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 11:25:42 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Make of this as you will:
http://www.securityfocus.com/frames/?content=/vdb/stats.html
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Full Name)
Subject: Re: a great job
Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 09:33:21 GMT
On 18 May 2000 18:27:45 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leslie Mikesell)
wrote:
>
>Because the machines running MS software need constant attention.
>
> Les Mikesell
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
All I can say is that you are an exceptionally poor systems
administrator if this is the case.
Have you ever considered that the main fault of Microsoft is that they
have created products that have allowed incompetent people believe
they are qualified to manage a network?
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From: Illya Vaes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why only Microsoft should be allowed to create software
Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 11:34:58 +0200
Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
>>>>>>Bummer dude because "The FEDS" began their MS anti-trust
>>>>>>investigation in
>>>>>That was not the DOJ. That was the FTC.
>>>>FTC == _Fed_eral Trade Commission, isn't it??
>>>>You stoop to new lows in your quest of denial, "Erik"...
>>>The original statement, which you conveniently cut, stated specifically
>>>the DOJ. Joseph said "the feds", in response to that, also referring to
>>>the DOJ.
>DOJ. Here, let's look at it, shall we?
>>MS has denied the existance of a chinese wall since at *LEAST* December of
>>1991 when Mark Maples (MS's spokesman at the time) stated it didn't exist
>>in InfoWorld. This was years before any DOJ negotiations.
>>The Chinese Wall was talked about in the mid-80's, not in the 90's.
>And then Joseph responded:
>>Bummer dude because "The FEDS" began their MS anti-trust investigation in
>>1989 - two full years before 1991.
That sort of proves that Joseph *must* have talked about other federal offices
than the DOJ according to you own statements, doesn't it???
The only one that can read Joseph's remark as having no other explanation than
"FEDS = DOJ" is someone who *wants* to read it that way so he can dismiss it
off-hand. You wouldn't want to do that, now, would you?
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Illya Vaes ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) "Do...or do not, there is no 'try'" - Yoda
Holland Railconsult BV, Integral Management of Railprocess Systems
Postbus 2855, 3500 GW Utrecht
Tel +31.30.2653273, Fax 2653385 Not speaking for anyone but myself
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From: Illya Vaes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why only Microsoft should be allowed to create software
Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 11:40:31 +0200
Bob Germer wrote:
>As an aside, I always thought DIN meant Deutschelander Industrie Normen.
Close.
Deutsche Industrie Norm (German Industry Standard).
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Illya Vaes ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) "Do...or do not, there is no 'try'" - Yoda
Holland Railconsult BV, Integral Management of Railprocess Systems
Postbus 2855, 3500 GW Utrecht
Tel +31.30.2653273, Fax 2653385 Not speaking for anyone but myself
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From: "Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux
Date: 19 May 2000 09:35:14 GMT
In comp.os.linux.misc David Steinberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: Peter T. Breuer ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: : I use slackware and debian, and have no problems with either. I'd never
: : touch redhat with a bargepole, since it's as nonstandard as hell. But
: It seems to me like EVERY distribution is "non-standard"; they all seem to
: put the same things in different places. /usr or /usr/local? /usr or
No distribution can put anything in /usr/local. That's for YOU to make
non-distro-spawned additions in.
: /opt? /etc or /sbin? Is there even a standard? I'm really surprised
/opt is for independent packages. But there is a new fsstd coming up.
/etc is for system configuration files. /sbin is for super-user only
executables, the ones needed at or near boot.
: that this hasn't been fixed yet. I can't imagine what benefit one gets
It's been "fixed" for the last 20 years.
: from putting stuff in a different plcae in the tree, other than the nice
You get the benefits of nonstandardization, a la microsoft. In my
opinion redhat is particularly and repellently guilty of that.
: feeling that his choice is more "logical." However, the benefits for
: having a common directory structure would be large. In particular, people
There is one.
Peter
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From: Illya Vaes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why only Microsoft should be allowed to create software
Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 11:54:33 +0200
Illya Vaes wrote:
>Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
>>I think it's perfectly legitimate for DOS to have
>>undocumented API's if they do nothing but access internal data that 3rd
>>party programs should not be accessing.
>You mean 3d party programs (to DOS anyway) like Windows???
>What the f*ck does Windows have to find in "internal data" unless it's not
>really "internal" after all?
>Excuses, excuses, excuses...
I note that "Erik" has not responded.
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Illya Vaes ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) "Do...or do not, there is no 'try'" - Yoda
Holland Railconsult BV, Integral Management of Railprocess Systems
Postbus 2855, 3500 GW Utrecht
Tel +31.30.2653273, Fax 2653385 Not speaking for anyone but myself
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Full Name)
Subject: Re: Linux lacks
Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 10:17:35 GMT
On Tue, 16 May 2000 07:56:23 GMT, "David Cueto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>> Bullocks. IE5 has as much a tendency to tank as does Netscape on
>> NT or Linux.
>
> When I talk, I've tested. IE5 has not ever frozen at my Windows 2000
>box. My Netscape under GNU/Linux has been freezing since 3.0 every
>day (Java and Javascript, even sometimes without them). That is a fact.
>
I'm in the position of running both Netscape and IE5 on the same NT
machine to save switching proxy servers when I change ISP's.
Netscape definitely crashes more often than IE5. One specific case is
loading HTML directly from files on the hard disk (which one does
frequently when developing WWW pages). Netscape quite regularly
crashes if the page gets a little hefty. IE5 simply never does.
Having said this IE5 definitely has a memory hole. Its menus will
stop working if you open too many pages (and closing them doesn't
help). However Netscape will not make it anywhere near as far as IE5
before Dr Watson steps in.
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From: Giuliano Colla <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Lies, damn lies and statistics
Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 12:39:07 +0200
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comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy
From: Bob Germer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why only Microsoft should be allowed to create software
Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 10:35:23 GMT
On 05/18/2000 at 11:18 PM,
"Erik Fuckingliar Hitler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> Alan Boyd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > OLE was introduced as part of the OS in 1992, it was NEVER an office
> only
> > > solution.
> >
> > Wrong.
> Pre-OLE2 was useless. I don't even consider it OLE since it was so
> radically different.
There you go again. You get caught in a lie so you try to distort history
to justify your lies.
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Proudly running OS/2 Warp 4.0 w/ FixPack 12
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Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy
From: Bob Germer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why only Microsoft should be allowed to create software
Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 10:33:44 GMT
On 05/18/2000 at 11:21 PM,
"Erik Fuckingliar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> Why do you people keep claiming I say things I obviously have not said?
Because you do say different things at different times depending on which
lie you are trying to defend. You aren't smart enough to be a liar. You
can't remember what you wrote.
But of course everyone here recognizes that you are truly stupid as well
as being a congenital liar. Your parents must be mortified.
> I've said that Windows takes things that the Apps group develops and
> makes it part of the OS, not the other way around.
> And if I haven't said it specifically, i've certainly implied that
> Office makes use of new OS features. But 3rd parties can make use of
> those same features as well.
If that be true, then one of the remedies the Feds should seek is a ban on
MS releasing any updates, new software, patches, etc. to any application
until six months have passed after the release of any new version, update,
or patch to the Operating System.
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Bob Germer from Mount Holly, NJ - E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Proudly running OS/2 Warp 4.0 w/ FixPack 12
MR/2 Ice 2.19ze Registration Number 67
As the court closes in on M$, Lemmings are morphing to Ostrats!
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Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy
From: Bob Germer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why only Microsoft should be allowed to create software
Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 10:45:30 GMT
On 05/18/2000 at 10:24 PM,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (abraxas) said:
> > Only in the eyes of stupid cowards hiding behind a false name. The opinion
> > of assholes like you makes not a whit of an impact on me.
> False name? My address is entirely bonafide, and my moniker happens to
> be a combination of names, which are all mine. You are an idiot---and
> you wouldnt know a linux advocate if they were sucking on your dick.
Your name is not yttrx. That is an indecipherable moniker. Therefore
nothing you say has any validity.
Moreover, you claimed in your message that I spelled using incorrectly. I
did not and you have failed to acknowlege your error.
> > Oh, and by the way, "using" is the proper spelling of the word. "Useing"
> > is totally, absolutely, horribly incorrect.
> You're the one who said the 'H' word and voided every argument you made,
> not me. I know better.
A complete non sequiter. Answer the question as to what lack of
intelligence made you think that using is not properly spelled.
And Mr. Fuckingliar is using the tactics of Hitler and Goebels repeatedly.
Tell a lie and repeat it often enough that it seems to be truth.
> Apparantly you dont.
Quite obviously your command of the English language is well below the
third grade level. Any third grade pupil knows that 'dont' is not a word.
The word you most likely intended to use was "don't". The apostrophe is
critical.
> You're such a smart guy. Teach me.
I just did.
> -----yttrx
I have decided that yttrx must mean "yellow totally twisted rotten
xanthippe".
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