Linux-Advocacy Digest #602, Volume #26 Fri, 19 May 00 17:13:08 EDT
Contents:
Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux (Tim Hockin)
Re: Elitism ultimately ruins the fun... (was Re: Closed-mindedness and zeal...)
(JEDIDIAH)
Re: a great job ("Francis Van Aeken")
Best Intranet Server + platform (Benjamin)
Re: HUMOR: CSMA has the Tholenbot... we should have the Templetonbot. (was Re: The
"outlook" for kooks) (tholenbot)
Re: Re: Re: Re: digest, volume 2451352 (tholenbot)
Re: HUMOR: CSMA has the Tholenbot... we should have the Templetonbot. (was
Re: The "outlook" for kooks) (tholenbot)
Re: HUMOR: CSMA has the Tholenbot... we should have the Templetonbot. (was Re:
The "outlook" for kooks) (tholenbot)
Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux ("Peter T. Breuer")
Re: Tholen digest, volume 2451683.943^-000000000003 (tholenbot)
RE: Off-topic ? Microsoft ("Raul Valero")
Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux (Leslie Mikesell)
Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux (Leslie Mikesell)
RE: The future... ("Raul Valero")
Re: Best Intranet Server + platform (Leslie Mikesell)
Re: Is the PC era over? (John Sanders)
Re: Your office and Linux. ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: progamming models, unix vs Windows (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux (brian moore)
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From: Tim Hockin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux
Date: 19 May 2000 18:02:57 GMT
In comp.os.linux.misc martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: How about an easy-to-use text editor ? (console, not GUI please :) ?
vi is very easy to use. People are so afraid of vi. learn how to hit
<esc>. The only things you REALLY need are:
i
u
d
:w
:q
!
/
then you'll want
y
o
a
G
gg
:<num>
:g
:r
--
Tim Hockin
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
This program has been brought to you by the language C and the number F.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Elitism ultimately ruins the fun... (was Re: Closed-mindedness and
zeal...)
Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 18:39:58 GMT
On Fri, 19 May 2000 08:56:55 -0700, dakota <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>..-----.
>Stephen S. Edwards II | NetBSD: Free of hype and >license.
>>| = :| "Artificial Intelligence -- The engineering of systems
>>that
>>| | yield results such as, 'The answer is 6.7E23... I
>>think.'"
>>|_..._| [EMAIL PROTECTED] |
>>http://www.primenet.com/~rakmount
>>
>>
>Elitism from the BSD camp seems to be the worst of all.....
They also conveniently ignore the commercial interests
already quite effectively exploiting LGPLed works for
profit. You can do quite a bit without necessarily
needing to modify someone else's OS or libraries.
That's how the most visible commercial software ventures
tend to work actually...
--
In what language does 'open' mean 'execute the evil contents of' |||
a document? --Les Mikesell / | \
Need sane PPP docs? Try penguin.lvcm.com.
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From: "Francis Van Aeken" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: a great job
Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 16:08:10 -0300
JEDIDIAH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Francis Van Aeken <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Poluting a modern OS with imbedding legacy DOS support is
> simply uncessecary. Moore's law has more than made up for
> any associated overhead several times over.
You don't expect Linus & co to rewrite Linux from scratch
every five years, do you? As Linux gets older il will need
more and more restructuring to keep up with new hardware
and new techniques and to maintain legacy support. The pre-2.4
problems we're seeing now is just the beginning. It's all
about evolution. Revolution is the easy part.
> >Linus wanted to create a "better Minix" exploiting the power
> >and the availability of the cheap 386 architecture. I'm sure that
> >Linus wasn't driven by his realisation that "Billy was a sandbagger".
> >I think it was his love for technology that made him create Linux.
> No, Linux thought DOS was crap. That's why he was trying to use Minix.
> Had he found available an OS that could fully exploit his machine, his
> motivations wouldn't have been there.
Can you back this up? If not, I propose we ask him.
> Linus just didn't do it for 'fun', he also wanted something useful.
Then why did he say that "it won't be big and professional" (or
something like that)?
> The VOID left by Microsoft's apparent lack of need to improve itself
> was what left Linus in the position to be doing for himself.
No, the OPPORTUNITY left by Microsoft's...
> In the end, Bill created his own worst nightmare.
He did, but it's not Linux, it's anti-MS sentiment. Well, maybe those
are synonymous in your eyes... which is a shame... for Linux.
Francis.
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From: Benjamin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.infosystems.www.servers.unix,comp.unix.admin,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.sys.hp.hpux
Subject: Best Intranet Server + platform
Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 19:17:10 GMT
Hi !
We are setting an Intranet coast to coast (Canada), I would like to know
what could be the best UNIX platform to work with and which webserver
will the best ???
We want 1 main server, with 5 mirrors sites in major cities. They will
be connected with Frame Relay at 128 Kbps.
Their will be about 1600 users for that intranet, and we want a server
that will hold Perl, Java (Servlet) and 20 users downloading the mp3
files (about 500 KB) at the same times.
Thanks ...
BenJ
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From: tholenbot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: HUMOR: CSMA has the Tholenbot... we should have the Templetonbot. (was
Re: The "outlook" for kooks)
Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 15:21:32 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
> Incorrect.
Prove it.
> Just how much lies do you think you can get away with, Eric?
Of what relevance is this question?
--
On what basis do you claim "this is the end, my only friend, the end"?
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From: tholenbot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: digest, volume 2451352
Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 15:25:08 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Gerben Bergman
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Myrat Amodeo and Eric Bennett are just the latest in a series of people
> who
> post here for entertainment purposes.
Of what relevance is this remark?
> Here's the digest:
Where?
> On the contrary, it is quite logical.
Liar.
> Of course, it takes decent logic
> skills to realize that.
How ironic.
> On the basis that it's ironic, Eric.
Your basis is incorrect. How typical.
> Incorrect, given that Myrat Amodeo and Pascal Schaakmat are also
> participating, Eric.
Evidence, please.
> Don't you know, Eric?
I see you failed to answer the question. No surprise there.
> Open your eyes, Eric.
Illogical.
> EB] See what I mean?
> EB] See what I mean?
> EB] See what I mean?
>
> See what I mean?
Argument by imitation, Gerben? Ineffective. Meanwhile, where are your
answers to the questions? Why, nowhere to be seen!
> You're erroneously presupposing that you've presented evidence, Eric.
Incorrect. See above.
> See above.
Typical illogical circular reasoning. I have already seen the above,
Gerben.
> Yet more evidence of your reading comprehension problems.
Impossible.
--
On what basis do you claim "this is the end, my only friend, the end"?
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From: tholenbot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: HUMOR: CSMA has the Tholenbot... we should have the Templetonbot.
(was Re: The "outlook" for kooks)
Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 15:25:32 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
> tholenbot wrote:
>
> >Illogical, as only two people are participating in this discussion.
>
> Incorrect.
On the contrary.
> >What alleged "third person"?
>
> More evidence of your person recognition problem.
Balderdash, Pascal.
--
On what basis do you claim "this is the end, my only friend, the end"?
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From: tholenbot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: HUMOR: CSMA has the Tholenbot... we should have the Templetonbot.
(was Re: The "outlook" for kooks)
Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 15:28:49 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Marty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Eric Bennett wrote (using a pseudotholen again):
Evidence, please.
> > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Gerben Bergman
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> That message never appeared on his news server, Eric.
See what I mean?
> > > Eric Bennett writes (using a pseudonym again):
> > >
> > > | > The ones you're suffering from, Eric.
> > > |
> > > | Illogical,
> > >
> > > How ironic.
> >
> > On what basis do you make this claim, Gerben?
>
> See what he means?
No.
> > > | as Eric
> > >
> > > Referring to yourself in the third person again, eh Eric?
> >
> > Illogical, as only two people are participating in this discussion.
>
> Incorrect. Witness my participation in this discussion.
My comments were made prior to your jumping into the discussion in
typical Marty "Master of Jumping Into Discussions" Amodeo fashion. Too
bad you failed to recognize this fact.
> > What alleged "third person"?
>
> Open your eyes, Eric.
See above.
> > > Typical pontification.
> >
> > Where?
>
> Yet another example of your pontification.
Incorrect.
> > > | If you had decent reading comprehension skills,
> > >
> > > How decent is "decent", Eric?
> >
> > See what I mean?
>
> What you mean is irrelevant.
Also incorrect. How predictable, coming from you.
> What is this,
> Irrelevancy Theater?
Can't you tell?
> > > | you would have recognized this fact.
> > >
> > > What alleged "fact", Eric?
> >
> > See what I mean?
>
> What you mean is irrelevant. What he sees is also irrelevant. What is
> this,
> Irrelevancy Theater?
Argument by repetition, Marty? Ineffective.
> > > | > Balderdash, Eric. He's done nothing of the sort.
> > > |
> > > | Liar.
> > >
> > > Incorrect, given that you're the one who's lying, Eric.
> >
> > See what I mean?
>
> What you mean is irrelevant. What he sees is also irrelevant. What is
> this,
> Irrelevancy Theater?
How predictable. See above.
> > > | > You're erroneously presupposing that he has provided the
> > > | > evidence,
> > > | > Eric.
> > > |
> > > | On the contrary.
> > >
> > > Evidence, please.
> >
> > See above.
>
> What he sees (above or otherwise) is irrelevant. What is this,
> Irrelevancy
> Theater?
See above.
> > Meanwhile, where is your logical argument?
>
> Open your eyes, Eric.
Illogical.
> > Why, nowhere to be seen!
>
> More evidence of your dirty glasses.
You erroneously presuppose the existence of any prior or current
evidence.
> > On what basis do you claim "this is the end, my only friend, the end"?
>
> Still denying the evidence I see.
Incorrect.
--
On what basis do you claim "this is the end, my only friend, the end"?
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From: "Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux
Date: 19 May 2000 19:22:26 GMT
In comp.os.linux.misc Leslie Mikesell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: In article <8g31si$6ri$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
: Peter T. Breuer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
:>/opt is for independent packages. But there is a new fsstd coming up.
: Oh good - we didn't have quite enough standard layouts already...
: Are they finally going to abstract it out to a centralized
: local configuration setting that controls where things land
:>There is one.
: More like 20 - and they still don't correctly address issues of
There is actually one standard. There are twenty interpretations of it.
: having local copies AND (perhaps multiple) network-mounted directories
: of the same thing, or things where the config files should be
: network-shared but not the binaries or vice-versa.
I think debian is getting it righter. At least dpkg is not blowing
up completely when it discovers it can't write to an NFS directory
(which already contains the files it wants to put there). What else
did they think /usr/share was for?
And yes, I agree. Redhat is just not set up for use in a classic shared
networked environment. It's not the target market. You might as well
start out with slackware. Same difference.
Peter
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From: tholenbot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Tholen digest, volume 2451683.943^-000000000003
Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 15:32:40 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Marty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Eric Bennett wrote (using a pseudotholen again):
Evidence, please.
> > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Joe Malloy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Today's Tholen digest is full of nothing:
> >
> > Are you suggesting that your post does not contain any material?
>
> Jumping to erroneous conclusions again, Eric?
Can't you tell? Meanwhile, where is your answer to the question?
> Taking jumping to
> erroneous
> conclusion lessons from Bob Osborn?
Obviously not.
> > Illogical,
>
> Typical unsubstantiated and erroneous claim.
Incorrect.
> > but that is to be expected,
>
> According to who, Eric? You?
Typical inappropriate grammar.
> > coming from you.
>
> How ironic, considering that comment came from you.
What is "ironic" about it?
> > On what basis do you claim "this is the end, my only friend, the end"?
>
> I see you've taken to ignoring evidence and responses again.
You erroneously presuppose that I have ignored and am ignoring evidence.
--
On what basis do you claim "this is the end, my only friend, the end"?
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From: "Raul Valero" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: Off-topic ? Microsoft
Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 19:48:57 GMT
> Two words: import tariffs.
Hmmm, haven't thought about that ... hmmm ...
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leslie Mikesell)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux
Date: 19 May 2000 14:50:04 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
brian moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >/opt is for independent packages. But there is a new fsstd coming up.
>>
>> Oh good - we didn't have quite enough standard layouts already...
>
>No, we don't have enough detail and vendors that are anal about
>following the rules.
Forcing vendors to make difficult choices about whether to screw
their existing customers with a change or the new ones if they
don't is not what standards should be about.
>> More like 20 - and they still don't correctly address issues of
>> having local copies AND (perhaps multiple) network-mounted directories
>> of the same thing, or things where the config files should be
>> network-shared but not the binaries or vice-versa.
>
>Why would you local -and- shared copies of the same thing?
The shared copy may not be available all the time, may not
be mounted in the expected place, may be spread over several
remote machines, may be mounted read-only when you want to
install something new. And so on - life isn't simple.
>You may want to look at /usr/share, which is precisely for things that
>can be shared across platforms. (Man pages, docs, pixmaps,
>soundfiles, dictionaries, all sorts of things should be living in
>/usr/share -- I've got a couple hundred meg worth of stuff there)
How resiliant is this when you have different versions of different
systems sharing it?
>See http://www.pathname.com/fhs/
Odd that it is a compressed pdf. Does anyone have netscape and
acrobat configured to read such a combination directly? Maybe
I'll just wait for the next revision.
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leslie Mikesell)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux
Date: 19 May 2000 14:54:20 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
brian moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I think what we really need is some number of well-maintained
>> 'master' system images (somewhere between 10 and 100 would
>> suffice, but the number doesn't matter) and some tools
>> to sync up your system to the master without breaking things
>> due to hardware differences.
>That sounds like Debian.
>
>Debian makes the sysadmin's job trivial.
How many different configurations can you get just by making
one choice (KDE workstation, server, router, web-proxy, etc.)?
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "Raul Valero" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: The future...
Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 20:06:51 GMT
> Windows is decadent. Anyone can see this.
But this does not mean Microsoft can't switch to open
standars model. They can even develop a Unix clone, be
it Linux or not.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leslie Mikesell)
Crossposted-To:
comp.infosystems.www.servers.unix,comp.unix.admin,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.sys.hp.hpux
Subject: Re: Best Intranet Server + platform
Date: 19 May 2000 15:03:39 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Benjamin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>We are setting an Intranet coast to coast (Canada), I would like to know
>what could be the best UNIX platform to work with and which webserver
>will the best ???
Since you posted to comp.os.linux.advocacy, the answer is obviously
Linux. Get the cute little 1U or 2U rackmount boxes from VALinux.
It will come with Apache, but you will probably have to rebuild
it to add mod_jserve and copy in a JVM yourself.
>We want 1 main server, with 5 mirrors sites in major cities. They will
>be connected with Frame Relay at 128 Kbps.
Set up a cron job with rsync to keep the remotes up to date.
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: John Sanders <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.lang.java.advocacy
Subject: Re: Is the PC era over?
Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 14:50:44 -0500
Set Lonnert wrote:
>
>
> Even though PCI may not be absolutely best, the Compact PCI arcitecture
> seems to survive for quite a while, implemented on several levels it
> surpasses other solutions, and still backwards compat. to PCI. Not only
> connecting cards, but also e.g. processor-architecture.
>
So, you can plug a Compact PCI card into a PCI slot?
--
John W. Sanders
===============
"there" in or at a place.
"their" of or relating to them.
"they're" contraction of 'they are'.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Your office and Linux.
Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 15:30:53 -0600
In article <t_2V4.97349$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Streamer"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, John Travis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>> <snip>
>>
>> Hey dipshit did you bother to check the headers? If you had half a
>> brain you would have understood my post. I was implying that Charlie
>> was a lintroll. A brain dead lab monkey would have understood that from
>> the whole "you are emberassing the rest of US" part, but I guess it was
>> a litlle too much for you eh?
>
> No, I got it. Obviously you don't understand that Charlie is not merely a
> linux troll, he is a linux advocate -- one of the better ones too. If he
> embarrasses you, it makes me wonder what type of a Linux advocate you must
> be.
Charlie isn't advocating anything. There is a right way and a wrong way to advocate
something. Telling everyone they are stupid pieces of shit for using windows and
blathering on about how the end of microsoft is at hand isn't advocating. Charlie is
a troll, not a zealot. Trolls post in opposing newsgroups looking to start pointless
arguments. Trolls post nothing but opinions and bullshit, and then fail to back up
the bullshit. I am the best kind of linux advocate. I tell people the reasons why I
use linux. I encourage anyone who is interested to try it out. I help them in any
way I can. Do you see know? Charlie == Troll.
>
>> I know you get all excited when you think
>> you can flame a windows user, but next time investigate a little bit
>> more o.k. In case you still can't figure it out I will help you just
>> this once.
>
> I have a lot of sympathy for Windows users, and I try to limit my flamings
> to MS FUDsters. In your case, I was only making a joke....Can't you take
> a joke?
I thought you were joking until you got to the part about me making all of the
wintrolls look bad. This is ignorant and needs no explanation.
>
>>
>> Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.14-15mdk i686)
>>
>> Netscape..................LINUX..........mandrake
>>
>
> Haven't you noticed that many of the Wintrolls in c.o.l.a. post using
> Netscape on Linux? Now, had your Newsreader been pan, trn, slrn, or
> anything else not found in MS land, I might have figured you were a
> serious Linux User <I'm not implying here that you are or aren't., I just
> couldn't tell>
>
You are joking right? There are several things that are very wrong with this
statement.
1: Someone's choice of newsreaders has nothing to do with how
"serious" of a linux user they are.
2: I do not traffic usenet heavily so I have no need for what I would
consider a really good newsreader (like slrn etc.)
3: You flamed me from netscape!
So now am I a "serious" linux user because I wrote this with pan? What a joke. If
you really admire Charlie's utter lack of wit and trollish ways then I feel sorry for
you.
jt
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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: progamming models, unix vs Windows
Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 16:42:17 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
David Cueto wrote:
>
> To talk about inherited things, take a lot at your GNU/Linux box,
> trying to implement an ancient Unix model that even proved good
> for a lot of things, has a lot of supidities coming from the age of
> stone. Unix was designed when current hardware, networks and
> software did not exist, so adapting itself to nowadays is as difficult
> as for Windows (9x) leaving drive letters.
Are you a crackhead?
So, you're alledging that 32-bit machines with multi-megabytes
of memory and whole arrays of disk drives are not equivalent to
today's PC?
the only real difference is the clock speed.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (brian moore)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux
Date: 19 May 2000 20:39:30 GMT
On 19 May 2000 14:54:20 -0500,
Leslie Mikesell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> brian moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >> I think what we really need is some number of well-maintained
> >> 'master' system images (somewhere between 10 and 100 would
> >> suffice, but the number doesn't matter) and some tools
> >> to sync up your system to the master without breaking things
> >> due to hardware differences.
>
> >That sounds like Debian.
> >
> >Debian makes the sysadmin's job trivial.
>
> How many different configurations can you get just by making
> one choice (KDE workstation, server, router, web-proxy, etc.)?
task-c++-dev - Development in C++
task-c-dev - Development in C
task-chinese-s - Simplified Chinese environment
task-chinese-t - Traditional Chinese environment
task-database-pg - PostgreSQL database
task-debian-devel - Debian package development
task-debug - Debugging of C, C++, Objective C and friends
task-devel-common - Development in various languages
task-dialup - Dialup utilities
task-dialup-isdn - Dialup utilities (ISDN)
task-dns-server - DNS Server
task-fortran - Fortran development environment
task-games - A selection of games
task-german - German-speaking environment
task-gnome-apps - GNOME applications and utilities
task-gnome-desktop - GNOME basic desktop
task-gnome-games - GNOME games
task-gnome-net - GNOME network applications
task-imap - IMAP Server
task-japanese - Japanese-speaking environment
task-laptop - A selection of tools for laptop users
task-newbie-help - New user documentation
task-news-server - USENET News Server
task-objc-dev - Development in Objective C
task-parallel-computing-dev - Packages for development of parallel computing
applications
task-parallel-computing-node - Libraries for parallel computing applications
task-polish - Polish-speaking environment
task-python - Python script development environment
task-python-bundle - Full distribution of Python
task-python-dev - Full Python development environment
task-python-web - Python web application development environment
task-samba - Samba SMB server
task-science - Basic tools for scientific work
task-sgml - SGML and XML authoring and editing
task-sgml-dev - SGML and XML development environment
task-spanish - Spanish environment
task-tcltk - Running Tcl/Tk applications
task-tcltk-dev - Developing Tcl/Tk applications
task-tex - TeX/LaTeX environment
task-x-window-system - X Window System (complete)
task-x-window-system-core - X Window System (core components)
You are free to add your own, of course. The above are merely virtual
packages that include others. For example, task-dns-server:
| Package: task-dns-server
| Version: 1:8.2.2p5-11
| Priority: optional
| Section: net
| Maintainer: Bdale Garbee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
| Depends: bind, bind-doc, dnsutils, dlint
| Architecture: all
| Filename:
| dists/unstable/main/binary-i386/net/task-dns-server_8.2.2p5-11.deb
| Size: 11030
| MD5sum: 9a8cd6803f0aefe64bdb3197caa21980
| Description: DNS Server
| Installs the BIND DNS server, and related documentation and utility packages.
| source: bind
| installed-size: 48
Ie, it grabs BIND, the docs for it, dnsutils (things like host, dig and
nslookup) and dlint to check for proper zone file configuration.
Obviously you can combine the above as you see fit. (Ie, you may want
to run an SMB server on your name server, and you'd almost certainly
want to have debugging if you have development [unless you're compiling
and have no intention of fixing bugs in programs].)
As for your list specifically: KDE is not in Debian as it is not
compatible with the GPL. What do you mean by 'server'? Web? Mail?
Usenet? DNS? SMB? 'server' is mighty generic. A 'router' would
need very little except perhaps zebra -- install the base system and
you're done. A web-proxy would need very little except for squid --
"apt-get install squid" seems much more effective than making a 'task'
for a single package.
On the reverse side, there is no "task-web-server" for the simple reason
that -you- get to choose which web server you want. Do you want Apache?
Or Roxen? Or CERN perhaps? Or Apache-ssl? How about modules? Do you
want mod_perl or is it not worth the overhead because your pages are all
static?
Some things are best left to humans to decide or there would be no
choice at all, which is counter to the freedom granted by the FSF,
Linus, the Apache Group and all the others contributing to the library.
--
Brian Moore | Of course vi is God's editor.
Sysadmin, C/Perl Hacker | If He used Emacs, He'd still be waiting
Usenet Vandal | for it to load on the seventh day.
Netscum, Bane of Elves.
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