Linux-Advocacy Digest #628, Volume #26 Sun, 21 May 00 13:13:05 EDT
Contents:
Re: There is NO reason to use Linux...It just STINX (Julius Apweiler)
Re: Microsoft W2K lack of goals. ("Gabriele Del Giovine")
Re: Why only Microsoft should be allowed to create software
(=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Lars_Tr=E4ger?=)
testing ("Jerry Wong")
Re: There is NO reason to use Linux...It just STINX (mlw)
Re: Is the PC era over? (Tim Tyler)
R: Microsoft W2K lack of goals. ("Hawk")
Re: Time to prove it's not just words (mlw)
A good laugh or two... (HTML) (Nico Coetzee)
Re: Is the PC era over? (JEDIDIAH)
Re: Time to prove it's not just words (Damien)
Re: There is NO reason to use Linux...It just STINX (JEDIDIAH)
Re: Time to prove it's not just words (JEDIDIAH)
Re: The Path Dependence (MK)
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Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 00:54:28 +0200
From: Julius Apweiler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: There is NO reason to use Linux...It just STINX
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Try Linux, that is all I ask. Try Suse, Caldera, Redhat,
> Mandrake,Slackware, Corel, whatever, for yourself.
>
> Try it and compare it to the Windows that you now use. A current
> edition of Windows, not Windows 95 or 98 without updates. This is a
> favorite trick of the LinoScrews, to compare a current version of
> Linux to an outdated version of Windows. Terry "The porter" Porter is
> an expert at this method.
Define a 'current version' of Windows, if Win98 isn't. OK, install all
the updates you can get. It still runs the same kernel (if that deserves
the name), and is certainly less stable than an outdated version of
Linux.
If, by a current version, you mean Windows 2000 - do you expect home
users to pay for that? Or to put up with all the hardware trouble (I
admit, I haven't experienced that, but a friend has told me about it)?
> Try Linux, please try it. Decide for yourself. And then please come
> back here and post your experiences with Linux.
A very sensible piece of advice, considering that *most* people who
advocate Linux here would have tried it before. I think...
>
> If you like Linux, great, you have found a new life. If you hate
> Linux, let us know why.
>
> Try Linux and see for yourself....
Well... it works. Better than Windows NT 4, which I used for about a
year before I tried Linux. And it was easier to set up than NT. And my
ISDN card is easier to set up under Linux than under the easy-to-use
Win98. Windows: Start driver installation. Select installation path,
wait, enter hardware settings (IRQ and I/O address), reboot, reboot, try
to use it, reinstall, try, reinstall, try, go through registry to remove
all traces, reinstall, works. Linux: Enter card name, IRQ, i/o address,
dial-up number, username & password, works.
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Julius Dominik Apweiler
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From: "Gabriele Del Giovine" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsoft W2K lack of goals.
Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 10:42:40 +0200
"Charlie Ebert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ha scritto nel messaggio
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
Do you remember the Esopo's Fox?
Bye.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Lars_Tr=E4ger?=)
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why only Microsoft should be allowed to create software
Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 16:27:09 +0200
abraxas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Bob Germer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On 05/18/2000 at 09:00 PM,
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (abraxas) said:
>
> >> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Bob Germer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >> > You are very adept at using the tools taught by Hitler and Goebels in the
> >> ^^^^^^
>
<snip>
> > Oh, and by the way, "using" is the proper spelling of the word. "Useing"
> > is totally, absolutely, horribly incorrect.
>
> You're the one who said the 'H' word and voided every argument you made,
> not me. I know better.
He also misspelled "Goebbels".
Lars T.
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Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 22:49:53 +0800
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From: mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: There is NO reason to use Linux...It just STINX
Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 11:11:45 -0400
The Ghost In The Machine wrote:
>
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Streamer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote on Sat, 20 May 2000 22:45:44 -0500 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >mlw wrote:
> >
> >> (a) Stability
> >> In the stability arena, Windows NT, 98SE, and 2K can't hold a candle to
> >> Linux. Linux is vastly more reliable.
> >
> >Just curious....seeing that I will never upgrade to w2k, what is it's
> >stability compared to NT and 98SE?
>
> My understanding, such as it is, is that Win2K is effectively an
> NT "next generation" product. (As if the userbase needs to be
> any *more* confused).
Yes, New technology (NT) is now old technology. The very name (New
Technology) shows how short sighted Microsoft is.
>
> Therefore, comparisons between Win2K and Win98SE aren't quite valid.
> Possible, of course -- Linux can be compared to DOS just as well. :-)
Not really. Much of NT and W2k UI and user-level stuff is shared, so a
memory leak in 98SE which slowly allocates memory until the system can
no longer allocate VM to cover and eventually crash the system, may, in
fact, act similarly on W2k or NT.
>
> >I know how 98SE justs gets slower &
> >slower until you have to reboot. I also know that NT keeps running, except
> >that one-by-one, explorer features and applications tend to break down
> >(Applications suddenly don't launch, NT Explorer suddenly can't see all of
> >the directories, etc.).
>
> I have detailed some of the interesting behavior of NT in
> other posts (interesting to me, anyway). I don't trust it.
I'd like to see it.
>
> >I've heard from others that w2k tends to run just
> >fine for something like a week, then it just drops dead all at once. Is
> >this true?
>
> I guess we'll find out at work, since we're migrating our Webservers. :-)
> I can't say that I know, at the moment.
>
> --
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- NT. Where did you *really* want to go today?
> No, no, really. We'll tell you, since you don't
> know. :-)
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Visit http://www.mohawksoft.com
Have you noticed the way people's intelligence capabilities decline
sharply the minute they start waving guns around?
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.lang.java.advocacy
From: Tim Tyler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Is the PC era over?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 14:31:27 GMT
In comp.lang.java.advocacy JEDIDIAH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: On 19 May 2000 23:43:09 GMT, Terry Sikes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
:>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[one good thing about the iMac: no floppy drive]
:>> ...and nothing to replace it with either.
:>
:>USB Zip etc. don't count?
: No it doesn't. At least a SCSI Zip would have reasonable performance.
A USB Zip drive probably totally thrashes a floppy drive on that front.
*If* it doesn't count, cost - and cost of the media - may be the reasons.
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From: "Hawk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: R: Microsoft W2K lack of goals.
Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 17:34:03 +0200
>
> WindowsNT Datacenter Server can recognize up to 16 processors.
>
> Exactly how many can Linux handle? The most I've ever heard
> of was 16, and that was with a major kernel renovation.
>
Datacenter will recognize 32 processor, not 16.
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From: mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Time to prove it's not just words
Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 11:44:14 -0400
Full Name wrote:
>
> On Sat, 20 May 2000 20:22:58 GMT, "Yannick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> >Okay, so I thought :
> >"I have a problem with the file access permissions on my linux webserver.
> >This, of course, come from the over-simplisitic permissions in linux, always
> >thought I'd eventually come to problems with them. Only I had not expected
> >so soon. Now, there's a lot of people here saying good of linux, and many
> >of them saying the access permissions of linux are sufficient. So surely
> >they know how to solve my problem..."
> >
> >So, here is the problem. I have one solution, which is a five-legged sheep.
> >I will not tell it to you so that you start from a clear view of the problem.
> >I want to know what would be your solution for the problem.
> >
> >* The files discussed here are part of a website. The server machine serves
> >several websites, so major changes to the configuration of httpd are not
> >a good idea. Httpd is running as "nobody/nobody".
> >
> >* The website uses PHP. The PHP scripts may need to create, next to each
> >html file in the website, a sort of "translated" version of it. This file
> >is regenerated when target is older or missing.
> >
> >* Several users have access to parts of the site as authors. They may want to update
> >the site, and possibly remove the translated files generated by the server,
> >using FTP, and, possibly, telnet. There is no restriction to how the
> >user accounts must be : they will only be used for that job.
> >
> >So there are files that the user must write and read and the server read,
> >and files that the server can create and read and the user remove.
> >
> >Who has got a solution for my problem ?
> >
> >Thanks in advance for any help.
> >
> >I still regret Windows NT's ACLs.
> >
> >Yannick.
> >
>
> I'm not sure if this solves all of your problems, but try the
> following:
>
> 1. Create group (eg wwweditors) and place all the required users in
> this group.
>
> 2. Assuming the location of the files is say /wwwfiles use the
> following:
>
> chgrp wwweditors /wwwfiles
> chmod g+s /wwwfiles
>
> The s bit causes all files created in the directory to be in the
> wwweditors group.
>
> 3. Set the creation umask of all the users so that all files they
> create have rw group permissions.
>
> Problems like these highlight how antiquated Unix permissions are.
> When you combine this with Samba even more problems arise.
>
> The irony is that many of the advocates in this group do not know
> enough to understand this (if their posts are anything to go by).
I read your description of how to set permissions, didn't see anything
really wrong. My question, however, is how does this "highlight"
antiquity? A difference from NT, sure, but "antiquated" not really.
--
Mohawk Software
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Visit http://www.mohawksoft.com
Have you noticed the way people's intelligence capabilities decline
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Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 17:57:40 +0200
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.lang.java.advocacy
Subject: Re: Is the PC era over?
Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 16:48:33 GMT
On Sun, 21 May 2000 14:31:27 GMT, Tim Tyler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In comp.lang.java.advocacy JEDIDIAH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>: On 19 May 2000 23:43:09 GMT, Terry Sikes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>:>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>
>[one good thing about the iMac: no floppy drive]
>
>:>> ...and nothing to replace it with either.
>:>
>:>USB Zip etc. don't count?
>
>: No it doesn't. At least a SCSI Zip would have reasonable performance.
>
>A USB Zip drive probably totally thrashes a floppy drive on that front.
>
>*If* it doesn't count, cost - and cost of the media - may be the reasons.
It 'doesn't count' because it's not built into the machine or
able to be integrated into the machine so that the whole mess
is a nice tidy package.
[deletia]
Build in the monitor so you can never upgrade it and then force
all the other storage devices outside the main chasis...
That's rather silly.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Damien)
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Time to prove it's not just words
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 21 May 2000 16:50:08 GMT
On Sun, 21 May 2000 12:33:59 +0200, in alt.destroy.microsoft,
Giuliano Colla <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
| Damien wrote:
| >
| > On Sun, 21 May 2000 05:50:19 GMT, in alt.destroy.microsoft,
| > Full Name <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
| > | On Sat, 20 May 2000 20:22:58 GMT, "Yannick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
| > | wrote:
[snip on-topic parts]
| P.S. My spell checker suggests that I spell you Daemon. Are you still
| running? [atrocious pun]
No. I got tired and had to slow down. *rimshot*
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH)
Subject: Re: There is NO reason to use Linux...It just STINX
Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 16:50:42 GMT
On Sun, 21 May 2000 09:57:53 GMT, Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH) wrote in
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
>> I've never bought a single Linux book. I only bought an
>> official distribution ONCE by choice. Even in 1994, there
>> were low cost options. Now, high speed net access and CD
>> burners are so cheap that there's no good reason anyone
>> should be paying more than they want for a copy of Linux.
>
>In America I guess. Here in the UK we still have local charges for
>telephone calls (nothing is free yet) and a max. of 56K modems. ADSL and
>Cable modems aren't here yet.
That still leaves the cheap CD burners and $1 a pop blanks.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH)
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Time to prove it's not just words
Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 16:57:11 GMT
On Sun, 21 May 2000 11:44:14 -0400, mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Full Name wrote:
>>
>> On Sat, 20 May 2000 20:22:58 GMT, "Yannick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Okay, so I thought :
[deletia]
>> Problems like these highlight how antiquated Unix permissions are.
>> When you combine this with Samba even more problems arise.
>>
>> The irony is that many of the advocates in this group do not know
>> enough to understand this (if their posts are anything to go by).
>
>I read your description of how to set permissions, didn't see anything
>really wrong. My question, however, is how does this "highlight"
>antiquity? A difference from NT, sure, but "antiquated" not really.
Only a single 'ACL' is needed here. So the classic Unix
filepermissions would certainly do, even without any
'special hacks'. Regardless of which scheme you use, you
still have to deal with creation of new files and what
attributes those files will posess by default.
A proper example of 'Unix fs' antiquity would be an example
where MULTIPLE 'ACL's are needed.
Even that would be somewhat moot as the Unixen are more than
capable of supporting filesystems with ACL's.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (MK)
Crossposted-To:
alt.politics.usa.republican,alt.politics.democrats.d,alt.politics.libertarian,alt.politics.liberalism,alt.politics.media,alt.journalism,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.socialism
Subject: Re: The Path Dependence
Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 17:11:52 GMT
On 21 May 2000 09:08:25 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Loren Petrich) wrote:
>>Read it and weep, Loren.
>>4. Evidence for Third- Degree Path Dependence [...]
>
> Why don't you go and truck-bomb some military bases and police
>stations? Yes, those infamous instruments of state coercion ;-)
>
> Or dynamite some of those awful socialist roads?
Why don't you admit that you lost the argument and you're plain
ignorant, since all you have left is resorting to lame arguments unrelated to
issue itself?
Loser.
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MK
Socialism is another name for self-destruction.
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