Linux-Advocacy Digest #222, Volume #27 Wed, 21 Jun 00 03:13:03 EDT
Contents:
Re: Stupid idiots that think KDE is a Window Manager ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: I had a reality check today :( (Woofbert)
Re: Charlie Ebert the LinoShill ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Why We Should Be Nice To Windows Users -was- Neologism of the day ("Rich C")
Re: The MEDIA this year! (Woofbert)
Re: Linsux as a desktop platform (Roger)
I've got reiserfs. Drestin, now bash Linux. ("Ferdinand V. Mendoza")
Re: 10 Linux "features" nobody cares about. (Michael Marion)
Re: It's all about the microsurfs ("Mikey")
Re: Sendmail/VPOP3 ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: I had a reality check today :( (Leslie Mikesell)
Re: The MEDIA this year! (Ciaran)
Re: how do i change the system date? (Aaron Kulkis)
Everything is so *quiet* (Flacco)
Re: Number of Linux Users (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: Number of Linux Users (Aaron Kulkis)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Stupid idiots that think KDE is a Window Manager
Date: 21 Jun 2000 04:10:13 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Try a 20k directory under Windows 2k and it is INSTANTANEOUS!!!!!
> YOU CAN SCROLL FROM SECOND ONE......
>
> What is so hard about this for you to comprehend?
>
What seems to be difficult for you to comprehend is what is involved
with KDE building a device list.
Now, since you are talking about LINUX AS AN OPERATING SYSTEM, try
the same thing with midnight commander.
Or a simple 'ls'.
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From: Woofbert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: I had a reality check today :(
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 21:12:08 -0700
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Try vi on you your significant other, assuming she is not a LinoGeek
> of course :)
> >
Isn't vi that text editor with two modes... one that beeps and the other
that corrupts your file?
My boyfriend is into BDSM, but vi is definitely beyond his limits; he'd
call the safeword right away.
--
Woofbert <woofbert at infernosoft dot com>
Datadroid
Infernosoft: Putting the No in Innovation.
http://www.infernosoft.com/woofbert/index.html
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Charlie Ebert the LinoShill
Date: 21 Jun 2000 04:16:44 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> So now we have this Charlie Ebert person, who has YET to back up any
> of his wild ass claims with any proof.
>
It took all of two braincells and six seconds to find mounds of
proof of Charlie's claim.
You really are an idiot.
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From: "Rich C" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,talk.bizarre
Subject: Re: Why We Should Be Nice To Windows Users -was- Neologism of the day
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 00:23:52 -0400
"Jim" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Rich C"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > So......you type characters to select the file, and type another
> > command to open it. Where does the GUI part come in? This sounds like
> > an embedded CLI to me. A GUI is a "graphical user interface." An
> > interface (to anything) consists of both output AND INPUT. Clicking
> > icons and buttons, and selecting menu items with the mouse is
> > graphical input. typing commands is COMMAND INPUT.
>
> The GUI allows one to drag through n levels of nested folders, popping
> them open with a slight hesitation until the target folder is reached.
> _Then_ the initial letter is typed to complete the selection (a
> combination of GUI and CLI inputs). Now, CMD-delete, or click-drag to
> move it, or option-click-drag to copy it out or whatever is your
> pleasure.... _You_ may call the entry of the initial character of the
> filename or cmd-delete a COMMAND INPUT. I call the overall task a _GUI
> operation_ which took significantly less time than a "pure" CLI would
> have required, at least in the case where you didn't _know_ the exact
> path before starting to enter a "pure" CLI input (which must be entered
> without a single keystroke error or all bets are off).
I have NO qualms with the fact that embedded commands make GUIs more
efficient, nor do I have any objections to using them, EXCEPT when you're
doing a comparison of GUI techniques to CLI techniques.
You would have cried foul if during a speed comparison between the two, I
had said that I selected my file in a KFM window and copied and pasted the
path into my command line.
-- Rich C.
"Great minds discuss ideas.
Average minds discuss events.
Small minds discuss people."
>
> --
> Jim Naylor
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Woofbert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The MEDIA this year!
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 21:20:53 -0700
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Charlie Ebert
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> http://www.infotechtrends.com/cgi-bin/cif/sub_read.pl?ux=&quar=99Q1&991450
> 16.htm=on
Hmmm. Approximately 1.9x every year. If the trend continues, we should
have 43 million users htis year, and all of the Western World using it
by 2004; a billion in 1005... Probably not gonna happen. I expect a
sloping off in the curve any year now.
Unless we look at the actual improvements in Linux over that period and
project them into the future as well. How good was Linux in 1994?
--
Woofbert <woofbert at infernosoft dot com>
Datadroid
Infernosoft: Putting the No in Innovation.
http://www.infernosoft.com/woofbert/index.html
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From: Roger <roger@.>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linsux as a desktop platform
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 04:24:25 GMT
On Tue, 20 Jun 2000 16:04:43 GMT, someone claiming to be Joe Ragosta
wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Roger
><roger@.> wrote:
>> On Mon, 19 Jun 2000 13:19:52 GMT, someone claiming to be Joe Ragosta
>> wrote:
>> >> So, then you can point us all to, let's say, a dozen of these studies
>> >> specifically comparing the 9x interface? Why did you not post
>> >> pointers on your website? All I ever saw there was 3x...
>> >They were there. I pointed them out many, many times.
>> >
>> >Your inability to read isn't my problem.
>> Nor is your lack of ability to support your claim mine. I say again:
>> plenty of studies vs. 3.x
>>
>> None vs. 9x
>>
>> Please feel free to post an URL which proves me wrong.
>I did--for years and years.
>
>Use dejanews. I'm tired of wasting my time on idiots.
Translation: I greatly exaggerated my claim to the point where I
could not support it, and got called on it.
>> >I turned the site over to a csma regular and he'll be reposting it some
>> >day (soon, I hope).
>> And of course, have no other records of these mountains of studies...
>Ever hear of dejanews?
Sure. Please post a specific deja URL from a message of yours
containing such records.
>> >> >They did mountains of studies when WinNT 4.0 was current. Same
>> >> >result.
>> >> >The press and IS people around (not to mention Wintrolls) ignored
>> >> >them).
>> >> Ditto -- a dozen here.
>> >Yep. you chose to ignore all the studies then, so why should they print
>> >new ones?
>> >
>> >And why a dozen studies? You have no evidence, so even a single one
>> >should be sufficient.
>> Except that one would not support your claim of "mountains" of
>> studies.
>Except that my web site had 300 kb of links.
Sure, and every last one of them pointed to a study comparing MacOS
with either 9x or NT > 3.51.
That's why you cannot support your assertion re: mountains of studies.
>> Oh, and Joe?
>>
>> I'm * still * waiting...
>for your brain to generate a rational thought? I thought so.
No, for your apology for calling me a liar. An honourable gentleman
would not need to be reminded.
Which is why I'm reminding you...
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From: "Ferdinand V. Mendoza" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: I've got reiserfs. Drestin, now bash Linux.
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 08:31:51 +0400
Installed Mandrake 7.1 recently. I got all the
partitions for reiserfs. Installation went smoothly,
found all my hardware and only one reboot.
Configured sound and remove power deliberately.
Power back on and no more fsck's. Reiserfs worked
like a charm. Dress ten and the rest of the paid pipers
were harping on this before that Linux lacks journaling
etc. etc ...
Okay journaling is available now -what else? Dress ten,
rant some more and the more it will improve Linux.
You are doing a good favor to the community.
Ferdinand
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From: Michael Marion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: 10 Linux "features" nobody cares about.
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 04:31:47 GMT
Christopher Browne wrote:
> Citrix has been a "partner" for a surprisingly long time; I'm not sure
> why they're _still_ in business, unless the MSFT proboscis got stuck,
> and they're trying to be quiet while the DOJ is on the warpath...
I was in a meeting with a couple Citrix people awhile back.. when one of
the NT admins there mentioned WTS I detected a collective shudder from
the Citrix guys. :)
--
Mike Marion - Unix SysAdmin/Engineer, Qualcomm Inc.
UNIX - live it,love it,fork() it !
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From: "Mikey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: It's all about the microsurfs
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 04:39:17 GMT
Didn't you already post this on /.
btw, it's spelled serfs.
no offense intended.
Charlie Root wrote in message ...
>You know, if the supreme court turns Microsoft down, they'd better be sure
>to release the opinion AFTER 5:00 p.m. Not because of the stock market or
>anything stupid.. but because massive numbers of computer geeks would
>likely set fire to their systems and party like there was no tomorrow out
in
>the streets. You thought the Lakers rioting was bad.. wait until you see
>8000 angry penguins in time square! :D
>--
>original by Colin Winters [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Sendmail/VPOP3
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 04:45:38 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Thanks for giving replay.
The solutions given by you is femiliar for me.
The problem with using Linuxconf is, we can allow by IP address, but
problem is if the user is a roming user?.
Security: When we enable 98 port for linuxconf,by typing
http://your_server:98 will ask for root password in a login dialog
box.but it is not advisable as hackers may brake this using some brute
force technique or any password theft technique.
pl suggest some other options.
thanks in Advance
Ram
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (David M. Cook) wrote:
> On Mon, 19 Jun 2000 05:43:47 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >i am having RedHat Linux 6.1 Server with mail server and virtual mail
> >server using sendmail.VPOP3 is configured for virtual mail users(pop
> >mail users only) to access their a/c from outlook.Now,How many ways
> >virtual mail users can change thier passwords
>
> From file:/usr/lib/linuxconf/help.eng/mailconf/vdomain-6.html#ss6.3
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
> 6.3 How does a user may change his password
>
> One problem with POP only users (and also PPP users) is that they
don't have
> access to any shell account from which they can easily changed their
own
> password.
>
> Linuxconf provides a neat solution to this problem. This is only
available
> with the html interface. And it fully support virtual email domain.
If you
> point your browser to the following URL
>
> http://your_server:98/htmlmod:userpass:
>
> you will access a simple screen allowing anyone to change its own
password.
> "your_server" may be anyone of the virtual POP server or the normal
name of
> your server. Linuxconf will manage the proper password file based on
the IP
> number used to reach it.
>
> It is a good idea to hide this URL in one of the information page of
your
> server (it is a little bit odd to type).
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
--
>
> Dave Cook
>
>
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leslie Mikesell)
Subject: Re: I had a reality check today :(
Date: 21 Jun 2000 00:26:31 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Woofbert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>> Try vi on you your significant other, assuming she is not a LinoGeek
>> of course :)
>> >
>
>Isn't vi that text editor with two modes... one that beeps and the other
>that corrupts your file?
No, there is really only one mode - it executes typed commands
terminated by <esc>. The misconception about two modes is
just that commands that don't involve inserting or appending
text may also be terminated by <enter>.
>My boyfriend is into BDSM, but vi is definitely beyond his limits; he'd
>call the safeword right away.
In vi, the safeword is u or U (different forms of undo).
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: Re: The MEDIA this year!
From: Ciaran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 22:40:19 -0700
Woofbert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Charlie Ebert
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> http://www.infotechtrends.com/cgi-bin/cif/sub_read.pl?
ux=&quar=99Q1&991450
>> 16.htm=on
>
>
>Hmmm. Approximately 1.9x every year. If the trend continues, we
should
>have 43 million users htis year, and all of the Western World
using it
>by 2004; a billion in 1005... Probably not gonna happen. I
expect a
>sloping off in the curve any year now.
>
>Unless we look at the actual improvements in Linux over that
period and
>project them into the future as well. How good was Linux in
1994?
In terms of desktop use ? The was no KDE or Gnome back then. You
had X with the WM of your choice.
If we want to track the Linux dektop advancement just recall the
fact that Gnome and KDE are only just newborns. Both started
aroung 1996/7 IIRC. And in late 2000 both a due for a second
major version update. So approx three years from now we will
have the next major release... man that should be
interesting ... wonder what KDE3/Gnome3 are gonna be like :)
Cheers,
Ciaran
Got questions? Get answers over the phone at Keen.com.
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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: how do i change the system date?
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 02:06:57 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
mlw wrote:
>
> > WYSIWYG is a step backwards. Human labor is used to do that which the
> > computer
> > can do better.
> > Andrew S. Tanenbaum
>
> In deference to our friend Mr. Tanenbaum, WYSIWYG is a methodology and
> paradigm to allow creative people to create on the computer what they
> wish to see in real life. Does one assume that the paintbrush should be
> allowed to dictate the appearance of a painting to the artist? In some
> cases, the computer can place things logically, in artistic endeavors, I
> shudder to think how a computer would evaluate taste.
>
> The problem with wysiwyg is that people with no taste attempt to
> override the computers defaults.
All too true.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
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From: Flacco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Everything is so *quiet*
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 02:05:35 -0400
I installed Linux onto my system with Win2K and have noticed how much
quieter the system is under Linux without the constant disk thrashing.
Just thought I would share that.
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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Number of Linux Users
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 02:10:02 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Drestin Black wrote:
>
> "John Hughes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:7t625.2215$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > As the number of Linux users BOOMS to 0.3%. Is Linux taking over??!!
> >
> > http://websnapshot.mycomputer.com/systemos.html
> >
> > http://bbspot.com/News/2000/4/linux_distros.html
> >
> >
>
> oh my god, that was hilarious!! I loved it. Posted it on a BB here at work
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Proving that you are an idiot.
> :)
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Number of Linux Users
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 02:10:42 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Drestin Black wrote:
>
> "Michael Born" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > If a product has increasing market share each year (which Linux has
> > achieved in the server os market), they are taking over.
> >
> >
> > Drestin Black wrote:
> >
> > > "Michael Born" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > Where Linux is superior now (as a server), it is in fact taking over.
> > >
> > > really? how does being in the minority indate "in fact taking over."?
> >
>
> And what if the portion of the marketshare that Linux "takes over" is that
> share that once belonged to other Unixes and the Mac and "Others" - it's
> definately not taking over any of the NT share.
Then how come it has been stealing marketshare from NT in the webserver
department?
Hmmmmmmmmm?
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
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