Linux-Advocacy Digest #425, Volume #28 Tue, 15 Aug 00 18:13:06 EDT
Contents:
Re: Will MS kill off Compaq and Gateway? ("Nigel Feltham")
Re: Another satisfied Linux user ("Nigel Feltham")
Re: OS advertising in the movies... (was Re: Microsoft MCSE) (The Ghost In The
Machine)
Re: MCSE != Engineer (Was: Microsoft MCSE ("Nigel Feltham")
Re: news article (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: news article (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: Article: Why linux is here to stay ("Nigel Feltham")
Re: Big Brother and the Holding Company (Chris Wenham)
Re: Email spamming to the readers of these NG's (Mike Marion)
Re: Another satisfied Linux user
Re: Will MS kill off Compaq and Gateway? (Nathaniel Jay Lee)
Re: OS advertising in the movies... (was Re: Microsoft MCSE) (Nathaniel Jay Lee)
Re: R.E. Ballard says Linux growth stagnating (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: Linux people don't speak Russian very well (was Re: Are Linux people
illiterate?) (Andres Soolo)
Re: OS advertising in the movies... (was Re: Microsoft MCSE) (Brian Langenberger)
Re: OS advertising in the movies... (was Re: Microsoft MCSE) (Mike Marion)
Re: Big Brother and the Holding Company (Arthur Frain)
Re: Richard Stallman's Politics (was: Linux is awesome! (Pat McCann)
Re: OS advertising in the movies... (was Re: Microsoft MCSE) (Mike Marion)
Re: OS advertising in the movies... (was Re: Microsoft MCSE) (Nathaniel Jay Lee)
Re: OS advertising in the movies... (was Re: Microsoft MCSE) (Nathaniel Jay Lee)
Re: Anti-Human Libertarians Oppose Microsoft Antitrust Action (was: Microsoft
Ruling Too Harsh (Loren Petrich)
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From: "Nigel Feltham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.arch,comp.sys.intel,comp.os.windows.advocacy,comp.os.mac.advocacy,alt.conspiracy.area51
Subject: Re: Will MS kill off Compaq and Gateway?
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 21:24:15 +0100
Another problem is that most countries don't have unmetered internet access.
How many users are going to want to pay up to $5 per hour on top of any
software rental to use a computer. In quite a few countries within a few
days the rental would be starting to cost more than the purchase price of a
multi-cd distribution of linux and this is only a one-off payment. Also, how
quickly will the bloat of windows be able to load through a 56k modem (and
how will you still use those winmodems).
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From: "Nigel Feltham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Another satisfied Linux user
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 21:26:25 +0100
>
>I just had horried experiences with a geforce and a geforce 2 gts on w2k
>myself... use the "stable" or beta drivers from the card's manufacturers
>and 2k wouldn't boot into normal mode at all.
>
I am always amused when anyone mentions 'stable' drivers for windows. Is
that even possible?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: OS advertising in the movies... (was Re: Microsoft MCSE)
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 20:12:31 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Nathaniel Jay Lee
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote
on Tue, 15 Aug 2000 08:15:30 -0500
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>Courageous wrote:
>>
>> > >"Professional" wrestling on TV is not 'real' wrestling. You have to
>> > >remember that they are there to entertain. As such, they are actors.
>> >
>> > Yes, I know it's not real. I just can't believe that some
>> > people find such a thing "entertaining".
>>
>> Contemplate for a moment the fact that half of everyone
>> in the world has an IQ < 100, and it will be easier to
>> understand.
>>
>> C//
>
>Don't tell me, let me guess. You're also the type of people that think
>any 'adult' that watches cartoons is automatically a complete idiot.
Does Japanese anime count? :-)
>You'd be suprised how many people watch 'stupid' shows that have quite a
>bit of intelligence. Dan Simmons (one of my favorite authors, and
>extremely intelligent) watches Mystery Science Theater 3000, and I don't
>think anyone would claim that is hi-brow entertainment :-).
No, but it had some wonderful moments. :-) My fave bad movie is
Prince In Space. I guess it was that absolutely awful laugh.... :-)
[.sigsnip]
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- "Your weapons are useless against me!" loses its flavor
after about 5 repetitions... :-)
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From: "Nigel Feltham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: MCSE != Engineer (Was: Microsoft MCSE
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 21:32:09 +0100
>>
>> The MCSE approach to garbage collection is to reboot. I would expect a
>> Sanitary Engineer have more to discuss about garbage collection than a
>> Mircosoft Engineer.
>
Why when microsoft engineers spend most of their time playing with garbage
;-)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Subject: Re: news article
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 20:22:28 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote
on Sun, 13 Aug 2000 16:44:08 -0700
<8n7c3t$ht7$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:8n7bi7$2o1$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
>> The people who promote the BugTraq statistics as you cited are using
>> dishonets tactics to discredit the reputation of Linux. That is a facet
>of
>> a FUN campain aimed to have just the effect that it seems to have had on
>> you, and that is to second guess you own reasoning to use Linux.
>
>Opps....
>
>That is a FUD campain, not a FUN campain. <embarrased grin>
Fear, Uncertainty, um...Naysaying?
:-)
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- would anyone else really understand it, though? :-)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Subject: Re: news article
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 20:24:12 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Ed Cogburn
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote
on Mon, 14 Aug 2000 09:04:43 -0400
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>David Punsalan wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I am a hobbyist Linux user. And although I enjoy using Linux, I often
>> wonder about its longevity.
>>
>> I just read a news article about Linux that states that according to Bug
>> Traq, Linux is "one of the worst OSs" in history. This is the url:
>>
>> http://abcnews.go.com/sections/tech/FredMoody/moody.html
>>
>> My question is this:
>>
>> Is this so-called "BugTraq" a good measure of an OS's quality? And if so
>> - what does the Linux community have to say about this?
>
>
> The difference is, with Linux, no one is trying to hide the known
>problems. Would someone please tell David about the "Windows has
><insert-huge-number-here> 'defects' story"? I can't remember the
>details of it anymore.
They're not bugs, they're ... um ... uh ... say, did you know that
Win2K has thousands of new features? :-)
[.sigsnip]
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- successful marketing in action? :-)
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From: "Nigel Feltham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Article: Why linux is here to stay
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 21:39:02 +0100
>
>Not to mention that it was the growing use of Unix systems at
>Universities that helped to push it's widespread use in the firstplace.
>Heck... many of the unix advances that are in mainstream use were made
>at Universities.. I mean the B in BSD is for Berkeley.
>
And the mouse was invented in 1968 at stanford
http://sloan.stanford.edu/MouseSite/gallery/index.html ) and not xerox as
everyone usually assumes.
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Crossposted-To:
comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Big Brother and the Holding Company
From: Chris Wenham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 20:29:34 GMT
>>>>> "Matthias" == Matthias Warkus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> It was the Mon, 14 Aug 2000 19:43:00 -0400... ...and Se�n �
> Donnchadha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus) wrote:
>>
>>> What Miguel likes about Microsoft is that they componentise
>>> their software. He often goes nonlinear talking about this kind
>>> of thing, and he's not very representative of the project at
>>> those times.
>>
>> Are you saying that Miguel's work on Bonobo and the like - the
>> very underpinnings of GNOME - isn't endorsed by the rest of the
>> team?
> Actually, this suggestive question does not even deserve an
> answer.
Indeed, you shouldn't have answered it. You should have pointed out
what Sean missed:
"he's not very representative of the project AT THOSE TIMES"
(emphasis mine).
Maybe Sean doesn't parse English very well, or just lacks the ability
to deal with qualifiers.
Regards,
Chris Wenham
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From: Mike Marion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Email spamming to the readers of these NG's
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 20:30:39 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Catch the two major YATIs in that episode in reguards with the Trek
> timeline? Hint, They both were errors in relations to two other Trek
> productions.
If you ever want to see some interesting (and rather anal) facts about
trek shows... try reading the "Nitpickers guide.." books. I've got the
TNG books. That guy has compiled a ton or errors. The sad part is I
noticed most of them myself when watching the show. :/
--
Mike Marion - Unix SysAdmin/Engineer, Qualcomm Inc.
"My chauffer was injured by a falling gargoyle while standing outside in
Chinese footprints. We rang the bell, a woman screamed, a mouse ran by
us,
through the door. As you can plainly see, I miss nothing."
Monsieur Perrier (James Coco) Murder By Death
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Crossposted-To: comp.os.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Another satisfied Linux user
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 20:31:52 GMT
On Tue, 15 Aug 2000 21:26:25 +0100, Nigel Feltham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>>
>>I just had horried experiences with a geforce and a geforce 2 gts on w2k
>>myself... use the "stable" or beta drivers from the card's manufacturers
>>and 2k wouldn't boot into normal mode at all.
>>
>
>
>I am always amused when anyone mentions 'stable' drivers for windows. Is
>that even possible?
Sure. They tend to be pretty stable when not installed.
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From: Nathaniel Jay Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.arch,comp.sys.intel,comp.os.windows.advocacy,comp.os.mac.advocacy,alt.conspiracy.area51
Subject: Re: Will MS kill off Compaq and Gateway?
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 15:25:57 -0500
Nigel Feltham wrote:
>
> Another problem is that most countries don't have unmetered internet access.
> How many users are going to want to pay up to $5 per hour on top of any
> software rental to use a computer. In quite a few countries within a few
> days the rental would be starting to cost more than the purchase price of a
> multi-cd distribution of linux and this is only a one-off payment. Also, how
> quickly will the bloat of windows be able to load through a 56k modem (and
> how will you still use those winmodems).
Yeah, there's just so many reasons that MS's great .Net strategy will
succeed:-).
Oh wait, never mind.
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Nathaniel Jay Lee
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From: Nathaniel Jay Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: OS advertising in the movies... (was Re: Microsoft MCSE)
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 15:24:24 -0500
The Ghost In The Machine wrote:
>
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Nathaniel Jay Lee
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote
> on Tue, 15 Aug 2000 08:15:30 -0500
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >Courageous wrote:
> >>
> >> > >"Professional" wrestling on TV is not 'real' wrestling. You have to
> >> > >remember that they are there to entertain. As such, they are actors.
> >> >
> >> > Yes, I know it's not real. I just can't believe that some
> >> > people find such a thing "entertaining".
> >>
> >> Contemplate for a moment the fact that half of everyone
> >> in the world has an IQ < 100, and it will be easier to
> >> understand.
> >>
> >> C//
> >
> >Don't tell me, let me guess. You're also the type of people that think
> >any 'adult' that watches cartoons is automatically a complete idiot.
>
> Does Japanese anime count? :-)
Absolutely. I've watched my share of that as well. Although as far as
I'm concerned nothing beats the original Robotech series (and it's
sequel series), and I've been told that those 'aren't real anime'.
>
> >You'd be suprised how many people watch 'stupid' shows that have quite a
> >bit of intelligence. Dan Simmons (one of my favorite authors, and
> >extremely intelligent) watches Mystery Science Theater 3000, and I don't
> >think anyone would claim that is hi-brow entertainment :-).
>
> No, but it had some wonderful moments. :-) My fave bad movie is
> Prince In Space. I guess it was that absolutely awful laugh.... :-)
Oh gawd, that movie truly sucked. But it was beautiful MST3K fodder.
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Nathaniel Jay Lee
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: R.E. Ballard says Linux growth stagnating
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 20:40:21 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, fred
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote
on Sun, 13 Aug 2000 16:03:14 GMT
[snip]
>Damn, that's making an awfully big assumption that people are actually
>using Linux.
>
>Nope, since most Linux installs are on the home computer in the geeks
>basement, I'm sticking with my story.
*looks at machine sitting on his cube desk, and blinks*
[snip]
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- insert random misquote here
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From: Andres Soolo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux people don't speak Russian very well (was Re: Are Linux people
illiterate?)
Date: 15 Aug 2000 20:45:48 GMT
Jim Cameron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[snip]
Thanks. It covers well the holes left by me and describes transliteration.
> `ch' "chernii". That `e' in there is actually a `yo', which looks
> like an E-umlaut in Russian but turns into an ordinary e in Roman.
Even Russians often skip the umlaut and just use `e'. I don't know
why, but it's usually written as e-umlaut only in beginners' textbooks
and dictionaries.
>>The tve"rdyj znak and e" aren't usually mapped.
> Hard sign, but AFAIR that's very rare.
Yes, and it's usage is decreasing. It's basically a leftover from Old
Russian. I can think of only one non-rare word that uses that. It's
syest, spelt s-hard sign-e-s-t-soft sign, looks like C ~b E C T b and means
`to eat' in perfect.
--
Andres Soolo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Give me a sleeping pill and tell me your troubles.
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From: Brian Langenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: OS advertising in the movies... (was Re: Microsoft MCSE)
Date: 15 Aug 2000 21:00:42 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy Nathaniel Jay Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: The Ghost In The Machine wrote:
:>
:> In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Nathaniel Jay Lee
:> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
:> wrote
:> on Tue, 15 Aug 2000 08:15:30 -0500
:> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
:> >Courageous wrote:
:> >>
:> >> > >"Professional" wrestling on TV is not 'real' wrestling. You have to
:> >> > >remember that they are there to entertain. As such, they are actors.
:> >> >
:> >> > Yes, I know it's not real. I just can't believe that some
:> >> > people find such a thing "entertaining".
:> >>
:> >> Contemplate for a moment the fact that half of everyone
:> >> in the world has an IQ < 100, and it will be easier to
:> >> understand.
:> >>
:> >> C//
:> >
:> >Don't tell me, let me guess. You're also the type of people that think
:> >any 'adult' that watches cartoons is automatically a complete idiot.
:>
:> Does Japanese anime count? :-)
: Absolutely. I've watched my share of that as well. Although as far as
: I'm concerned nothing beats the original Robotech series (and it's
: sequel series), and I've been told that those 'aren't real anime'.
Whoever told you that was mistaken. Robotech is basically a
dubbed collection of SDF: Macross,
Super Dimensional Cavalry: Southern Cross and Genesis Climber
Mospeada. Whether or not the dub work is great or the story mixing
was a good idea is debatable, but Robotech is still anime by
every definition I know.
Check out: http://robotech.simplenet.com/whatisrobotech.htm
And if you like Robotech, you owe it to yourself to get
Macross Plus. You may like it even more, or at least have
a great time watching it. Trust me on this one.
:>
:> >You'd be suprised how many people watch 'stupid' shows that have quite a
:> >bit of intelligence. Dan Simmons (one of my favorite authors, and
:> >extremely intelligent) watches Mystery Science Theater 3000, and I don't
:> >think anyone would claim that is hi-brow entertainment :-).
:>
:> No, but it had some wonderful moments. :-) My fave bad movie is
:> Prince In Space. I guess it was that absolutely awful laugh.... :-)
: Oh gawd, that movie truly sucked. But it was beautiful MST3K fodder.
I've got "Mike Nelson's Movie Megacheese" on order.
In his book he gives the big-budget flicks a healthy blasting
and should be a lot of fun. And if you've been following MST3k
for a long time, the "Amazing Colossal Episode Guide" is a riot.
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From: Mike Marion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: OS advertising in the movies... (was Re: Microsoft MCSE)
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 21:09:20 GMT
Nathaniel Jay Lee wrote:
> bit of intelligence. Dan Simmons (one of my favorite authors, and
> extremely intelligent) watches Mystery Science Theater 3000, and I don't
> think anyone would claim that is hi-brow entertainment :-).
Then again, MST3K is a show that you have to pay attention to, and often think
about what they've said to get obscure references and such. Which is one
reason I love the show.
Then again, I love The Simpsons too, because they often sneak things into
their episodes too.
--
Mike Marion - Unix SysAdmin/Engineer, Qualcomm Inc.
"The day that Microsoft makes something that doesn't suck is the day that they
start making vacuum cleaners." - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Arthur Frain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Big Brother and the Holding Company
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 13:53:31 -0700
Mike Byrns wrote:
> "Joe Ragosta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Chris Wenham
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >>>>> "Arthur" == Arthur Frain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > > >> W2K DC is supposed to far better - would you both not hope?
> > > > But according to Bill Gates everybody that buys W2K because it's
> > > > more reliable is stupid:
> > >
> > > With all due respect for the devil, I think Bill was making an
> > > observation. "Less bugs" does not sell as well as "More features"
> > > does.
> > Actually, he went further. In the same interview, he claimed that
> > Windows does not have bugs.
> Post the article to backup your claim. I doubt it says anything of the
> sort.
Scan back through the thread. I posted a quote
and the URL for the full interview, which Chris
snipped. You doubt wrong.
And to respond to Chris' "With all due respect ...",
please read either the quote I posted or the full
interview - Bill Gates was using simple declarative
sentences to state that stability is never a reason
to upgrade. Read before you snip next time.
You may be right about Gates' motivation, but that
isn't what he said. (OTOH, "less bugs" seems to be
what they're selling now).
Arthur
.
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Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Richard Stallman's Politics (was: Linux is awesome!
From: Pat McCann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 15 Aug 2000 14:23:15 -0700
T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Said Pat McCann in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
> >T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >
> >> The question, for me, is whether the FSF's position is that the
> >> GPL says that you cannot alone and without reference to the concept of
> >> "derivative intellectual property", or whether the GPL merely reflects
> >> their opinion that a "program is derivative of the library" in
> >> accordance with copyright law. I wasn't aware until the latter part of
> >> the discussion that there might be a difference.
> >
> >I just had a GPL proponent telling me that the GPL doesn't impose
> >restrictions that aren't already restricted by copyright law, as
> >opposed the the new-fangled UCITA-supporting licenses that try to
> >restrict things that would otherwise be allowed like decompiling.
[ our silly banter snipped ]
> So provisionally we'll presume that the FSF concept of 'derivative' is
> identical to the legal understanding. This fits my theories, though it
> will give Lee Hollaar a fit, I'm sure.
We? I think not. I'll presume it's identical to your understanding
of the legal understanding, but not mine.
I gather that your position must be that program/library running forms a
derivative but that copyright law allows it it to be run. (I'm not sure
if you attach more meaning to 117's "utilization" than running.)
My position is that program/library (dynamic) running doesn't form a
work that gets copyright protection. (Each part does separately.)
I'm not sure at the moment what difference it makes in general, and
I only suppose, at this time, that the GPL does impose restrictions
that copyright law doesn't. (If you're right, it certainly does,
because I couldn't modify my part of that derivative program/library
in RAM even though it was never distributed under a GPL.)
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From: Mike Marion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: OS advertising in the movies... (was Re: Microsoft MCSE)
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 21:25:37 GMT
Nathaniel Jay Lee wrote:
> I remember that movie you are talking about, but can't remember the name
> of it :-(. But my favorite was the one where they went looking for
All you MST fans must checkout this guy's site:
http://www.sloegincircus.com/
You'll probably be able to find the episode in question within minutes.
BTW, I think my favorite was the "The Giant Gila Monster" movie.. when the
title was on the screen and they all started singing the Jewish song: "Hava la
gila! Hava la gila! - Joel & Bots sing"
--
Mike Marion - Unix SysAdmin/Engineer, Qualcomm Inc.
What's nice about GUI is that you see what you manipulate.
What's bad about GUI is that you can only manipulate what you see.
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From: Nathaniel Jay Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: OS advertising in the movies... (was Re: Microsoft MCSE)
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 16:40:39 -0500
Brian Langenberger wrote:
>
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Nathaniel Jay Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> : The Ghost In The Machine wrote:
> :>
> :> In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Nathaniel Jay Lee
> :> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> :> wrote
> :> on Tue, 15 Aug 2000 08:15:30 -0500
> :> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> :> >Courageous wrote:
> :> >>
> :> >> > >"Professional" wrestling on TV is not 'real' wrestling. You have to
> :> >> > >remember that they are there to entertain. As such, they are actors.
> :> >> >
> :> >> > Yes, I know it's not real. I just can't believe that some
> :> >> > people find such a thing "entertaining".
> :> >>
> :> >> Contemplate for a moment the fact that half of everyone
> :> >> in the world has an IQ < 100, and it will be easier to
> :> >> understand.
> :> >>
> :> >> C//
> :> >
> :> >Don't tell me, let me guess. You're also the type of people that think
> :> >any 'adult' that watches cartoons is automatically a complete idiot.
> :>
> :> Does Japanese anime count? :-)
>
> : Absolutely. I've watched my share of that as well. Although as far as
> : I'm concerned nothing beats the original Robotech series (and it's
> : sequel series), and I've been told that those 'aren't real anime'.
>
> Whoever told you that was mistaken. Robotech is basically a
> dubbed collection of SDF: Macross,
> Super Dimensional Cavalry: Southern Cross and Genesis Climber
> Mospeada. Whether or not the dub work is great or the story mixing
> was a good idea is debatable, but Robotech is still anime by
> every definition I know.
>
> Check out: http://robotech.simplenet.com/whatisrobotech.htm
>
> And if you like Robotech, you owe it to yourself to get
> Macross Plus. You may like it even more, or at least have
> a great time watching it. Trust me on this one.
I saw one or two of the Macross Plus tapes, but never paid a whole lot
of attention to it. Right about the time I was trying to finish my
Robotech collection, I was disappointed by the fact that they changed
from four episodes per tape to two episodes per tape, and then quickly
changed to one episode per tape, with absolutely no change in price. I
would kill for some of those old tapes to complete my collection.
I lost interest in anime for a while, and when I got back into it, it
appears that Robotech and the Macross sagas were lost to the ages (at
least in this area).
>
> :>
> :> >You'd be suprised how many people watch 'stupid' shows that have quite a
> :> >bit of intelligence. Dan Simmons (one of my favorite authors, and
> :> >extremely intelligent) watches Mystery Science Theater 3000, and I don't
> :> >think anyone would claim that is hi-brow entertainment :-).
> :>
> :> No, but it had some wonderful moments. :-) My fave bad movie is
> :> Prince In Space. I guess it was that absolutely awful laugh.... :-)
>
> : Oh gawd, that movie truly sucked. But it was beautiful MST3K fodder.
>
> I've got "Mike Nelson's Movie Megacheese" on order.
> In his book he gives the big-budget flicks a healthy blasting
> and should be a lot of fun. And if you've been following MST3k
> for a long time, the "Amazing Colossal Episode Guide" is a riot.
>
I loved the theater version of MST3K, and purchased the video when it
came out. The subplots in that one (of the actual crew and bots) was a
lot more intricate than the ones on the TV version, although still
hilariously funny. Can't remember the name of the movie they rip in
that one, but I do remember that it was a real stinker about travelling
to Mars or something. It basically had no continuity, so it was hard to
follow the story at all. Which made it all the easier to rip apart:-).
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From: Nathaniel Jay Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: OS advertising in the movies... (was Re: Microsoft MCSE)
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 16:44:51 -0500
Mike Marion wrote:
>
> Nathaniel Jay Lee wrote:
>
> > bit of intelligence. Dan Simmons (one of my favorite authors, and
> > extremely intelligent) watches Mystery Science Theater 3000, and I don't
> > think anyone would claim that is hi-brow entertainment :-).
>
> Then again, MST3K is a show that you have to pay attention to, and often think
> about what they've said to get obscure references and such. Which is one
> reason I love the show.
>
> Then again, I love The Simpsons too, because they often sneak things into
> their episodes too.
Yeah, it's kind of interesting to watch the same cartoons you watched as
a kid and pick up some dirty little side joke that made no sense to you
ages ago. Or even references to historical figures and such. It makes
it a lot more funnier when you remember your thought as a child, and
then put it together with what you know now.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Loren Petrich)
Crossposted-To:
misc.legal,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.libertarian,talk.politics.libertarian
Subject: Re: Anti-Human Libertarians Oppose Microsoft Antitrust Action (was:
Microsoft Ruling Too Harsh
Date: 15 Aug 2000 21:50:42 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
D. Spider <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>It appears that on 13 Aug 2000 09:56:38 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Loren
>Petrich) wrote:
>> I've made a similar sort of case for Linux and the open-source
>>movement being parts of a Communist plot to destroy capitalist software by
>>both underselling it and by creating an ideological framework for the
>>collectivization of software. V.I. Lenin had allegedly claimed that the
>>capitalists would sell the rope that the Communists would use to hang
>>them, and offering software for free is a variant of that strategy.
>*ROFL*
>Free Software was the brainchild of Richard Stallman, a very sincere
>left-libertarian, and is supported and developed by a group of people
>containing a much higher percentage of libertarians than the general
>public. It's goal is to produce software which is not encumbered by
>restrictive licenses that interfere with the users essential
>Liberties.
>Open Source is a modification of Free Software, aiming to make it more
>business friendly.
>You are either a troll or you don't have a clue what you are talking
>about.
Actually, I do. The idea here was to get under Mr. Kulkis's skin
by proposing a conspiracy theory similar to his -- but a conspiracy
theory that he was not likely to accept.
--
Loren Petrich Happiness is a fast Macintosh
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My home page: http://www.petrich.com/home.html
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