Linux-Advocacy Digest #440, Volume #28 Wed, 16 Aug 00 20:13:06 EDT
Contents:
Re: OS advertising in the movies... (was Re: Microsoft MCSE) (Mike Marion)
Re: Why my company will NOT use Linux ("Colin R. Day")
Re: Anti-Human Libertarians Oppose Microsoft Antitrust Action (was:
Microsoft Ruling Too Harsh (D. Spider)
Re: OS advertising in the movies... (was Re: Microsoft MCSE) (Mike Marion)
Re: Article: Why linux is here to stay (Loren Petrich)
Re: OS advertising in the movies... (was Re: Microsoft MCSE)
Re: The dusty Linux shelves at CompUSA (Mike Marion)
Re: Why Linux will crash and burn..... (Jim)
Re: The dusty Linux shelves at CompUSA (Mike Marion)
Re: Email spamming to the readers of these NG's
Why Does Microsoft Assume That They Know What I Want? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Is the GDI-in-kernel-mode thing really so bad?... (was Re: Anonymous (Pan)
Re: The dusty Linux shelves at CompUSA ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Microsoft MCSE ("Joseph T. Adams")
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From: Mike Marion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: OS advertising in the movies... (was Re: Microsoft MCSE)
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 23:13:54 GMT
Nathaniel Jay Lee wrote:
> I liked Starblazers, haven't seen Captain Harlock. I think I'm biased
> towards Robotech because I remember coming home from school to catch
> them when they were new in the states. I watched them religiously at
> that time, and I always loved, LOVED the models that came out of the
> series. Anybody else remember those models? You could work on them for
I didn't have any models, but I did have one of the planes that transformed.
It was pretty big too.. about a foot long when in plane mode.
I used to watch Robotech after school too... Starblazers was on before school
when I was in the 2nd grade. Even my sister remembers watching it... hell,
she even remembered the damn theme song. You can (or at least could) download
a few entire episodes off the net. It was featured on slashdot (I think in a
quickies) a few months back.
> Now, Ice Pirates was absolutely hilarious. I find that one to be even
That movie's a classic. The whole castration (dis)assembly line scene cracked
me up. :)
--
Mike Marion - Unix SysAdmin/Engineer, Qualcomm Inc.
"I am Beavis of Borg. Resistance, like uh... sucks <heh heh-heh-heh>!"
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From: "Colin R. Day" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why my company will NOT use Linux
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 19:13:09 -0400
Matthias Warkus wrote:
> --
> Miller's Paradox: As a network evolves, the number of Nazi
> comparisons not forestalled by citation to Godwin's Law converges to
> zero.
Shouldn't this be the proportion? The only way that the number of
such comparisons to converge to zero is if it becomes zero and
stays there.
Colin Day
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (D. Spider)
Crossposted-To:
misc.legal,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.libertarian,talk.politics.libertarian
Subject: Re: Anti-Human Libertarians Oppose Microsoft Antitrust Action (was:
Microsoft Ruling Too Harsh
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 23:13:00 GMT
It appears that on Wed, 16 Aug 2000 22:40:10 +0200,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andrew J. Brehm) wrote:
>Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> "Andrew J. Brehm" wrote:
>> >
>> > Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >
>> > > Loren Petrich forfeited all rights to civility when he decided
>> > > to side with totalitarians.
>> >
>> > And here, ladies and gentlemen, we can see how unalienable rights defend
>> > the freedom of an individual against those who don't like him.
>> >
>> > "He happened to forfeit his rights."
>>
>> Do you not agree that a murderer forfeits his right to life.
>
>I do _not_ agree than an unalienable right can be forfeited.
>
>If rights must not be violated, they can also not be forfeited.
>Otherwise the right is worth nothing.
So you are an absolute pacifist?
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From: Mike Marion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: OS advertising in the movies... (was Re: Microsoft MCSE)
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 23:23:21 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> There was another, of a boy who sees a something in the sky and then goes to
> bed. When he wakes up he discovers that people are changing it turns on
> there has been a landing of Martains who are controlling the people. The
> central controller/leader is just the same alien from the Horrors of the Red
> Planet reused. The story was a cross between War of the Worlds and Invasion
> of the Body Snacthers. At the end of the movie the boy wakes up, it was all
> a dream.
Sounds like at least 5 different movies to me... I mean, I know I've seen the
one you're talking about, but there are several that follow that (almost)
exact same plot. A-ha! I think this is it: Invaders from Mars -
http://us.imdb.com/Title?0045917 not to mention it's remake:
http://us.imdb.com/Title?0091276
I think Nathanial's was: Starship Invasions - http://us.imdb.com/Title?0076760
--
Mike Marion - Unix SysAdmin/Engineer, Qualcomm Inc.
"...In my phone conversation with Microsoft's lawyer I copped to the fact that
just maybe his client might see me as having been in the past just a bit
critical of their products and business practices. This was too bad, he said
with a sigh, because they were having a very hard time finding a reporter who
both knew the industry well enough to be called an expert and who hadn't
written
a negative article about Microsoft." -- Robert X. Cringely
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Loren Petrich)
Subject: Re: Article: Why linux is here to stay
Date: 16 Aug 2000 23:23:25 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Loren Petrich wrote:
>> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>> Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >They should pull the Windows and Mac's out. They serve no purpose
>> >other than to befuddle the underclassemen with stupid ideas.
>> And what, in particular, might those be?
>That "point & click" has anything to do with "computer engineering"
>and/or "computer science"
Who cares?
There's a big market for point-and-click, and someone who
professes to believe in capitalism ought to appreciate trying to satisfy
that market.
Furthermore, this argument would make KDE and Gnome into great evils.
--
Loren Petrich Happiness is a fast Macintosh
[EMAIL PROTECTED] And a fast train
My home page: http://www.petrich.com/home.html
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: OS advertising in the movies... (was Re: Microsoft MCSE)
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 16:27:22 -0700
Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Mike Marion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> You must learn to use one of the web sites that can just suck time away
from
> you as you browse it's vast information: the IMDB.
>
> The Trivia (http://us.imdb.com/Trivia?0083866) for E.T. says...
Thanks
>
> "Reese's outbid M&M's for product placement. There is a rumour that M&M's
were
> used initially, but the companyasked for them to be removed, suspecting
that
> the film would flop."
In doing so it spoiled the purpose E.T. reaction in his first encounter to
Elliot.
:-(
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From: Mike Marion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The dusty Linux shelves at CompUSA
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 23:39:37 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> A couple of weeks ago I did a little experiment at one of the NYC
> CompUSA stores, I counted the Linux boxes on the shelves and marked
> each one with a fluorescent high lighter to track them.
Yeah sure.. every retailer will let customers walk into their stores and start
marking up the items on the shelves.
> I don't believe it...
I know I don't.
--
Mike Marion - Unix SysAdmin/Engineer, Qualcomm Inc.
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from a rigged
demo. -Fortune of the Day.
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From: Jim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why Linux will crash and burn.....
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 19:40:56 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Tue, 08 Aug 2000 01:43:21 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>2. The internet has become a multimedia marketplace. Napster and it's
>video variants have proven this to be fact. Sure the Fed's are trying
>to kill the Nap, but one website in South Africa will take it's place
>and there are 1000 more after that so the Feds will never win.
>
>Where is Linux in all of this? Some half baked Napster clone? Support
>for only the lowest level of sound/video cards?
>
> Where IS Linux?
It's on the server hosting Napster's web site.
www.napster.com is running Apache/1.3.12 (Unix) (Red Hat/Linux) on
Linux according to Netcraft.
http://www.netcraft.com/whats/?host=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.napster.com
Jim
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From: Mike Marion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The dusty Linux shelves at CompUSA
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 23:54:07 GMT
mlw wrote:
> some old 20/20 reports; CompUSA was one of the worst. (Bad marks for
> replacing a hard drive AND!! motherboard for a bad IDE cable)
I saw one of those reports... man it's sad. I've jumped into conversations
before at my local CompUSA when I went in to buy a game and heard employees
giving bad information. Then again, I've done that at a lot of stores. One
of the worst is Fry's Electronics. If you know what you're doing, you can
sometimes get some good stuff at a decent price, but watch out for items with
the returned stickers, and _never_ ask employees technical questions, they're
morons. The Fry's employment app (http://www.best.com/~braith/frys.htm) isn't
funny when you realize that it's very close to reality.
--
Mike Marion - Unix SysAdmin/Engineer, Qualcomm Inc.
Jo-anna: "Bing? That's a great name."
Chandler: "Thanks, it's Gaelic for 'Thy turkey's done.'"
--Friends
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Email spamming to the readers of these NG's
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 16:48:46 -0700
Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Nathaniel Jay Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> > One of the biggest that still "gets me" is the episode near the
beginning of
> > the series of DS9 when Sisko talked about being a helpless observer when
his
> > father died. In several episode after that, there were references and
> > allusions to Sisko's late father. A couple of seasons afterwards there
he
> > is the elder Sisko alive and well and a regular guest star thereafter.
I think you are talking about the episode where Jake Sisko saved Benjamin
Sisko by taking his own life decades in the future. But then that never
happened because Jake dying in the future Benjamin is never lost in the
first place so that future will never be.
I was talking about Benjamin's father / Jake's grand father
> I kind of liked the way DS9 mixed things up with time travel and
> different dimensions and Sisko's dream sequences and stuff. But the
> trouble was that if you missed the wrong episode you had no idea what
> the hell was going on.
Comminications from the prophets in the form of other people, the visions of
Benny in the 60's, visitng the mirror universe, time travel, holo suite
fantasies, Orb visions, etc.
Interesting timeline!
One thing I am glad, they never got as bad as Voyager. Voyager should be
subtitled "one series too many".
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Why Does Microsoft Assume That They Know What I Want?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 23:57:34 GMT
I've been gearing up for a new DAW project the last 2 days and quite
frankly I am starting to get a little more than frustrated at the way
Microsoft always seems to assume they know what I want to do.
My DAW, normally a custom system with no internet, games or non-DAW
applications has become somewhat "polluted" over the last few weeks
due to numerous reasons but mostly my laziness. Bottom line is that I
need to cleanse the system, but yet save a lot of work that has been
accumulating on the system. My solution is to have a dual boot Win98SE
system, whereby I can boot either my internet/games/play machine or my
pristine hand tweaked DAW image. Seeing as I have PPQ BootMagic and my
Windows 98SE full version CDROM this should be simple right?
Wrong.....
Windows 98SE Full Version will NOT install to another partition if it
finds Win98SE already installed. I could find no way to force the
install via a switch.
So, I through my trusty Adaptec 2940UW and 6 gig IBM DFHS drive back
in (I am already using 2 EIDE 27 Gig Maxtor 7200rpm drives) and decide
to use the BIOS to boot from SCSI when I want clean Windows.
For some reason this will not work and the system hangs after POST.
Ok, so now I try using PPQ Bootmagic to ignore my EIDE C: drive and
boot from my SCSI drive, which now becomes drive C:
This works fine, except that the Win98SE setup program does not like
have the PPQ BootMagic fool it and thinks I am using some kind of
Stacker Like program and thus does not install.
FINALLY!!!!!
I create a Startup Floppy, unplug my EIDE drives and install on the
SCSI drive. This now works and I am on my way....
What a nightmare....
FWIW, I installed several Linux distros on various partitions and they
were automagically added to Bootmagic and I have never had a
problem...
My point is, that a FULL VERSION of ANY software should allow you to
install the damm thing ANYWHERE YOU PLEASE, within technical limits,
and this was not an issue here. Why the hell does this abortion keep
insisting on trying to upgrade my system instead of allowing me to
force a clean install in another location?
1/2 a day wasted.......................
Claire
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From: Pan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Is the GDI-in-kernel-mode thing really so bad?... (was Re: Anonymous
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 17:00:20 -0700
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
>
> No, you said:
>
> > Other than support for "drag an drop" I am unaware of any service that
> > Explorer provides that fvwm does not. Even then most of the "drag and
> > drop" is provided by shared libraries and explorer proper.
>
> My reply to that was that explorer provided other features that fvwm did
> not.
less in many respects than lynx, slightly more than netscape in others.
--
Salvador Peralta
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.la-online.com
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: The dusty Linux shelves at CompUSA
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 23:59:33 GMT
And exactly the reason why I was able to put a small mark on each box
without anyone seeing me...We are talking a dot, not some x or line or
something...
claire
On Wed, 16 Aug 2000 23:54:07 GMT, Mike Marion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>mlw wrote:
>
>> some old 20/20 reports; CompUSA was one of the worst. (Bad marks for
>> replacing a hard drive AND!! motherboard for a bad IDE cable)
>
>I saw one of those reports... man it's sad. I've jumped into conversations
>before at my local CompUSA when I went in to buy a game and heard employees
>giving bad information. Then again, I've done that at a lot of stores. One
>of the worst is Fry's Electronics. If you know what you're doing, you can
>sometimes get some good stuff at a decent price, but watch out for items with
>the returned stickers, and _never_ ask employees technical questions, they're
>morons. The Fry's employment app (http://www.best.com/~braith/frys.htm) isn't
>funny when you realize that it's very close to reality.
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From: "Joseph T. Adams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Microsoft MCSE
Date: 17 Aug 2000 00:05:59 GMT
Erik Funkenbusch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
: news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
:> > The techniques you mention are impossible to implement in
:> > these languages, thus a developer in those languages has no need to
:> > understand them.
:>
:> Wrong. IF a programmer's code TRIGGERS garbage collection, then
:> he would be well advised to understand how it works.
: Why? In those langauges, it just works. What need is there to understand
: it?
LOL!!!!! :)
You obviously never had to track down a memory leak, caused by
believing that when things like Recordsets go out of scope, and the VB
documentation claims that the memory used by these obviously
unreachable objects is released (garbage-collected), it actually is.
Or one caused by embedded Null characters inside VB "strings" that
might or might not blow up any particular API function called
implicitly or explicitly depending on how the string is passed,
whether it is wrapped inside a Variant, whether the platform is 9x or
NT, etc.
Or one caused by SQL or Jet pages being locked where one might have
expected only the row, not the page, to be locked. Or the tendency of
ADO to fail silently when an attempt to institute a particular kind of
lock or cursor type fails, substituting a lock or type of its own
choosing rather than raising an error of any kind.
Or one caused by dead Jet processes failing to relinquish locks upon
parts of the .MDB files they once owned, forcing, in many cases, a
server reboot.
To be a competent VB developer - which I am, although I'm ashamed to
admit it in a group filled with *real* programmers - you simply do
have to know how C and the Windows API work. Not just how they are
*documented* to work, but how they actually do, including those areas
where the documentation is misleading, ambiguous, or flat-out wrong.
You have to know about the quirks with regard to file locking, string
handling (see Appleman's book for a better explanation than I can give
here), MSSQL anomalies and limitations, garbage collection (which in
VB does indeed "just work" - except when it doesn't) and many other
areas which at least touch upon system-level architecture and coding.
The attitude that app developers don't have to know anything about
computer science says a LOT about the quality of application
development, particularly on the platform where most of these
attitudes tend to prevail.
Joe
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