Linux-Advocacy Digest #600, Volume #28 Wed, 23 Aug 00 17:13:04 EDT
Contents:
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? ("Christopher Smith")
Re: Why my company will NOT use Linux
Re: Linux programmers dont live on this planet!
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? (ZnU)
Re: Why my company will NOT use Linux (Nathaniel Jay Lee)
Re: Is the GDI-in-kernel-mode thing really so bad?... (was Re: ("Aaron R.
Kulkis")
Re: Is the GDI-in-kernel-mode thing really so bad?... (was Re: ("Aaron R.
Kulkis")
Re: Is the GDI-in-kernel-mode thing really so bad?... (was Re: ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Windows stability: Alternate shells? (Stuart Fox)
Re: Tholen digest, volume 2451780.cms223^.-00000000001 ("Joe Malloy")
Re: refrigerator using Linux? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: refrigerator using Linux? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? (ZnU)
Re: Is the GDI-in-kernel-mode thing really so bad?... (was Re: Anonymous Wintrolls
and Authentic Linvocates) (The Ghost In The Machine)
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From: "Christopher Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It?
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 06:20:58 +1000
"ZnU" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <8o0tv0$cqq$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Christopher Smith"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > "ZnU" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > In article <8npmf2$k8t$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Christopher Smith"
> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > > One might note that the two main players in this particular case,
> > > > Office and IE, *are* superior products, in pretty much everyone's
> > > > opinion.
> > >
> > > Again, that's true _now_. Microsoft has made it unprofitable for
> > > competitors to bother, so there is no serious competition.
> >
> > With Office, it's been true for a very, very long time. Back to the
> > Windows 3.1 days.
>
> Which only serves to demonstrate that Microsoft has a very long history
> of this sort of thing.
Oh, for fuck's sake, grow up.
Is it _that_ hard to admit, even to yourself, that Office is the most
popular suite because it is, and has been for a long time, the _best_ suite
? Office has been being reviewed and voted as the best office suite pretty
much since the application category itself was first created.
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why my company will NOT use Linux
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 13:00:27 -0700
Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Nathaniel Jay Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Seriously though, these type of conversations are more
> about trying to show the non-technically informed users
> why it is important to understand the technically informed
> users/developers points of view and not just whine about
> things they don't understand. Like the original stem of
> this conversation, people that had rarely used computers
> bitching because 'Linux should integrate the GUI into the
> kernel and let people get their investment back in it'.
> Someone should explain to them no only why it is a bad
> idea to fully integrate the GUI into the kernel, but how
> that wouldn't allow the 'real people' to gain any more
> money than they would through other means.
In fact the "real people" could gain less money if they had their way.
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux programmers dont live on this planet!
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 13:02:49 -0700
Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Ryan Walberg (MCSD) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> By "server" == "driver", he was probably talking about his X server.
>
That is what I was assuming that he meant, but as we know that is not a
valid description.
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From: ZnU <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It?
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 20:11:14 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Eric Bennett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, ZnU
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > And spending more than Gore on things like (broken) missile
> > defense.
>
> And spending less than Gore on broken things like social security and
> government health care.
These social programs are broken mostly because the Republican congress
refuses to fund them properly.
Missile defense is another thing altogether. It isn't possible with
current technology, no matter how much money you throw at it. And if it
works, it's worse than if it doesn't; it'll just get other countries
angry. And now that the Cold War is over, ICBM is the _least_ likely way
a weapon of mass destruction would be delivered. A suitcase or a small
glass bottle is far more likely.
> And of course even Gore is going to spend money on that broken
> missile defense program.
Yes, and that's bad. But Gore wants a more scaled back version.
> > The fact is, I don't _know_ he'll be deficit spending. He's so
> > vague on the issues that it's hard to tell anything at all. But
> > he'll either be deficit spending or he'll be cutting killing rather
> > important social programs, and neither is worth it just to give the
> > average american family a $43/year tax break.
>
> If that is in fact what the average American family would get. Given
> the conflicting stories that each side puts out about the other's
> programs, I have no idea what a realistic number is.
As far as I know, the Republicans haven't put out any figures regarding
the effect of the tax cut on the average family. They just talk in
broad, general terms about "giving the money back to the people,"
without specifying which people.
> > And there's certainly no chance of him paying down the debt.
>
> Can't say I'm too confident about Gore either. If you think the fact
> that he's promised to do it means he will actually do it, well, I
> have a few bridges to sell you. Truth of the matter is, they both
> assume the good economic times will continue, and if they don't,
> their promises go out the window even if they really *did* intend to
> keep them.
I'm quite aware. However, the fact that Bush isn't even _pretending_
he'll do it is a rather bad sign.
--
This universe shipped by weight, not volume. Some expansion may have
occurred during shipment.
ZnU <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | <http://znu.dhs.org>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Nathaniel Jay Lee)
Subject: Re: Why my company will NOT use Linux
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 20:24:21 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> spoke thusly:
>
>Nathaniel Jay Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
>> Seriously though, these type of conversations are more
>> about trying to show the non-technically informed users
>> why it is important to understand the technically informed
>> users/developers points of view and not just whine about
>> things they don't understand. Like the original stem of
>> this conversation, people that had rarely used computers
>> bitching because 'Linux should integrate the GUI into the
>> kernel and let people get their investment back in it'.
>> Someone should explain to them no only why it is a bad
>> idea to fully integrate the GUI into the kernel, but how
>> that wouldn't allow the 'real people' to gain any more
>> money than they would through other means.
>
>In fact the "real people" could gain less money if they had their way.
Of course, that never stopped the 'pointy haired bosses'
before now did it? :-)
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Nathaniel Jay Lee
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Is the GDI-in-kernel-mode thing really so bad?... (was Re:
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 16:31:24 -0400
"T. Max Devlin" wrote:
>
> Said Aaron R. Kulkis in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
> >Nathaniel Jay Lee wrote:
> [...]
> >> Well, there are plenty of people that have heard your
> >> rationalization of your sig. We have heard your purpose
> >> and effect bullshit story over and over.
> >
> >Provide proof to the contrary.
>
> That's the point, Aaron. There can be no proof to the contrary; that's
> the nature of 'selection bias' at work.
>
> "Selection bias" is the tendency to remember those events which confirm
> a theory, and forget those events which conflict with it. It is
> inevitable, but mitigatable.
>
> In this particular case, you have the added difficulty of having no way
> of knowing, save in the breach, if your method is successful. If the
> long chain of trolling you call a sig (I think it annoys people both by
Actually, it put a STOP to a lot of trolling by the various people
who have been named in it.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
J: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Is the GDI-in-kernel-mode thing really so bad?... (was Re:
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 16:32:10 -0400
"T. Max Devlin" wrote:
>
> Said Aaron R. Kulkis in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
> >Nathaniel Jay Lee wrote:
> [...]
> >> Well, there are plenty of people that have heard your
> >> rationalization of your sig. We have heard your purpose
> >> and effect bullshit story over and over.
> >
> >Provide proof to the contrary.
>
> That's the point, Aaron. There can be no proof to the contrary; that's
> the nature of 'selection bias' at work.
>
> "Selection bias" is the tendency to remember those events which confirm
> a theory, and forget those events which conflict with it. It is
> inevitable, but mitigatable.
>
> In this particular case, you have the added difficulty of having no way
> of knowing, save in the breach, if your method is successful. If the
> long chain of trolling you call a sig (I think it annoys people both by
> the content, and by the fact it requires paging past in whatever 'single
> key read' function one's newsreader supports) worked, then you'd never
> have a chance to see if it worked in order to determine whether it
> worked!. People don't magically stop posting to newsgroups because your
> sig is in there, and it doesn't stop trolls from trolling. It might
> remind them "oh, he's *that* asshole", but you *know* that whether a
> troll takes that as a challenge or a warning is a rather random
> determination. And, frankly, not even half the people I *recognize* on
> your list are really trolls.
>
> Believe me, son, you are no less annoying than Loren Petrich. And you
> are no more correct in your opinions, in the end.
>
> The last round of complaints I saw, your standard response was "stop
> reading". Now that you realize, I hope, why that isn't good advice,
What i mean is...when you get to my .sig...STOP READING... the rest is
a mere formality which I use to dissaude trolls.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
J: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Is the GDI-in-kernel-mode thing really so bad?... (was Re:
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 16:33:39 -0400
Ed Cogburn wrote:
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> >
> > Ed Cogburn wrote:
> > >
> > > "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Wrong. The individuals named (other than Petrich) all engage in
> > > > hit-and-run campaigns consisting of meaningless red-herrings and
> > > > out and out lies against me. I decided that rather than answer the
> > > > charges from these assholes individually, a blanket pre-dismissal of
> > > > their lies would be a better strategy.
> > >
> > > "hit-and-run campaigns consisting of meaningless red-herrings"
> > >
> > > Hey, check your reader, this c.o.l.a! Hit-n-run campaigns and twisted
> > > tortured arguments over red-herrings are common grist for this place,
> > > but you don't see anyone else with a 29 line sig trying to stop
> > > arguments before they begin, do you? Where are these people who are
> > > hounding you in every NG, including this one? Answer: they aren't
> > > here. I've never seen them. At least in c.o.l.a. your sig isn't even
> > > needed right now, but in the meantime you are creating brand new
> > > enemies. Your "pre-dismissal" isn't one since I've never heard the
> > > other side of the story anyway. For everyone in c.o.l.a, your sig *is*
> > > *utterly* *pointless*.
> > >
> > > >
> > > > My .sig has SIGNIFICANTLY reduced the volume of such activity against me,
> > > > which is exactly what I designed it to do.
> > >
> > > No, what its done is create a brand new problem that has lead to a
> > > number of flame threads in c.o.l.a about your sig. Considering the
> > > number of *plonk*s I've seen, from people not in your sig, you are
> > > increasingly not particularly well liked here, and have accumulated far
> > > more enemies than your sig could possibly handle. Are you going to add
> > > a section to your sig for everyone who is nagging you about it? Does
> > > that help your cause, by having so many readers stop reading your
> > > posts? If I had an agenda I wanted to espouse, the first thing I
> > > wouldn't do is start pissing off complete strangers with an aggravating
> > > sig, before ever having the chance at advocating my beliefs to them.
> > > What you're doing is just plain *stupid*.
> > >
> > > >[snip abomination]
> > >
> > > -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =-----
> > > http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World!
> > > -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =-----
> >
> > Here's an idea:
> >
> > When you see:
> >
> > ---
> > Aaron R. Kulkis
> > Unix Systems Engineer
> >
> > STOP READING.
> >
> > Now, is that so fucking hard?
>
> Its the *bandwidth* stupid, your sig eats bandwidth for absolutely no
> good reason. Your sig costs money to download and its downloaded no
> matter what I say, so I *can't* just ignore it. And this still doesn't
> change the fact that your sig is irrelevant to everyone in c.o.l.a.
> anyway. Now is that so fucking hard to understand.
Bandwidth will be consumed either by my .sig, or by trolls.
My method is to keep the anti-Aaron trolling to a minimum by
specifically
naming them as trolls in my .sig.
Deal with it.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
J: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: Stuart Fox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Windows stability: Alternate shells?
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 20:34:17 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
hauck[at]codem{dot}com wrote:
> On Tue, 22 Aug 2000 17:26:29 GMT, Stuart Fox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> >I assume you're talking hundreds of gigabytes of database. An
Exchange
> >server with a 15GB database takes around five minutes to start.
>
> Yeah, but how long does it take to stop? A week? Nevermind, I'm sure
> they fixed that one in hotfix <mumble>.
:)
On the whole, Exchange 5.5 SP3 is remarkably well behaved. It's not
often that you have to stop the thing - and when you do it's usually
relatively painless.
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: "Joe Malloy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Tholen digest, volume 2451780.cms223^.-00000000001
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 20:41:15 GMT
Here's today's Tholen digest. Notice how he's ignored the evidence for the
fact that he likes to "hear" himself, as well as the evidence for his
reading comprehension problem. Nor did he explain why he's assuming Slava's
question [who is this "Slava," Tholen, one of your sock puppets?]. And he's
still plagued by the logical conclusion that a response to someone who used
an incorrect attribution means that the attribution was correct enough for
the culprit at whom it was directed to recognize himself. Figures.
To the digest improper!
[Tholen huffs n' puffs but doesn't say anything that bears repeating.]
Thanks for reading!
--
"USB, idiot, stands for Universal Serial Bus. There is no power on the
output socket of any USB port I have ever seen" - Bob Germer
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: refrigerator using Linux?
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 16:36:41 -0400
Karri Kalpio wrote:
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > Karri Kalpio wrote:
> > >
> > > "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > > > my .sig doesn't interfere with readability.
> > >
> > > It does interfere with the netiquette, however.
> >
> > "netiquette" was written in the days of 10MB hard drives and 300 bit/sec
> > modems.
> >
> > Get over it.
>
> Internet (and USENET) were developed that time. They are still here.
> Some things do not change.
>
> Netiquette defined the good behaviour that time. It still does. Some
> things do not change.
In 1985, posting a 1 Megabyte photograph to USENET would have been
a GROSS violation of netiquette.
Today, there are newsgroups devoted to same.
My .sig is used to minimize trolling activity against me, and the
time and BANDWIDTH needed to answer them individually.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
J: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: refrigerator using Linux?
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 16:37:24 -0400
The Ghost In The Machine wrote:
>
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Aaron R. Kulkis
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote
> on Mon, 21 Aug 2000 17:13:44 -0400
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >Craig Kelley wrote:
> >>
> >> "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >>
> >> > mind setting your line length to 70 columns or thereabouts, so that
> >> > people can read your posts...
> >>
> >> http://www.faqs.org/faqs/usenet/faq/part1/
> >>
> >> Read the part about signatures before you complain about other's
> >> posts...
> >>
> >
> >
> >my .sig doesn't interfere with readability.
>
> No, but your .sig is sufficiently long to possibly be of extra cost
> (and extra download time of a few seconds at most -- but it adds up)
> for those of us who have to pay for bandwidth by the kilobyte;
> luckily for me, I'm not one of them.
So does answering trolls who like to spread lies about me.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
J: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: ZnU <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It?
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 20:45:17 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Eric Bennett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, ZnU
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> > > Let's take one of your important social programs--welfare. The
> > > number of people on the welfare rolls is down by about 75% over
> > > the past 5 years. Yet the total dollars being spent has hardly
> > > declined at all.
> >
> > What should we do with people who can't support themselves, Joe?
> > Let them starve in the streets so you can keep a bit more of your
> > income? Is that _really_ the kind of society you want to live in?
>
> You can't use this argument to justify spending *any* amount of money
> on people who can't support themselves. Even *you* are going to draw
> a line somewhere. Joe apparently thinks we've crossed the line.
>
> Let's say there was only one person left on welfare in the entire
> country, and we were still spending the same amount on welfare.
> Would you still defend it? Joe's position doesn't imply that we
> shouldn't spend anything at all... it implies that as fewer people
> are claiming welfare benefits, welfare expenditures should decrease
> roughly proportionally.
But the entire system has changed, not just the number of people on
welfare. It seems obvious to me that it costs more (in the short term)
to move someone from welfare to work than it does to just leave them on
welfare.
> > > The government is a black hole. They'll take as much money as
> > > they can get away with and never try to spend it wisely.
> >
> > The money doesn't just vanish. Unless defense contractors get their
> > hands on it, of course.
>
> Or government-subsidised health care, of course.
Every other first-world democracy has it; it must have something going
for it.
> And, by the way, the Democratic chairs of the Congressional
> appropriation committess have no qualms about sending money to
> defense contractors to keep their constituents employed doing useless
> work. I don't see much differences between the two parties when it
> comes to "wasteful" spending ("wasteful" in quotes because everyone
> thinks it's wasteful except for the people who live in the district
> where the money is being spent).
Don't get me wrong here. I don't like the Democrats much either. They're
just better than the alternative. At least they've noticed that the Cold
War is over.
--
This universe shipped by weight, not volume. Some expansion may have
occurred during shipment.
ZnU <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | <http://znu.dhs.org>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Is the GDI-in-kernel-mode thing really so bad?... (was Re: Anonymous
Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates)
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 20:48:28 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, mark
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote
on Mon, 21 Aug 2000 19:55:47 +0100
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>The Ghost In The Machine wrote:
>>In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Stephen S. Edwards II
>><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> wrote
>>on 14 Aug 2000 14:48:23 GMT
>><8n90rn$6oo$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Aaron R. Kulkis) wrote in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
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>>>8<SNIP>8
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>>It's not clear that managerial types care as much about flexibility as
>>they do about speed -- so the nod goes to the system with the better
>>performance, namely NT.
>
>
>Ah, so NT more rapidly crashes than Linux with X-windows system, I
>think was your point.
>
>Or was it that Microsoft NT more effectively crashes than Linux with X
>due to the inadequate QA resource made available at Microsoft headquaters?
>
>Or did I just miss the point entirely?
>
Maybe I misspecified the point, admittedly. Part of the problem
with closed-source software is that one's buying a pig in a poke,
and a manager isn't going to code up all of his own benchmarks and
take days (or weeks) studying his problem; he's either going to rely
on his subordinates to do it, or he's going to rely on outside
sources which generate benchmarks.
One hopes that either one is reliable as a source for comparative
benchmarks, but I do wonder. But yes, Windows NT is very efficient
at crashing. :-) (Although not nearly as efficient as Win9x.)
[.sigsnip]
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- of course, getting work done is a different matter
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: remote dump error
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 20:39:48 GMT
I am trying to do a remote rdump from one LINUX
machine (redhat) to another that has a tape drive
attached to it. In doing so, I get the following
error message and nothing dumps.
Permission denied.
TCP_MAXSEG setsockopt: Bad file descriptor
Thanks for any help.
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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