Linux-Advocacy Digest #670, Volume #28 Sun, 27 Aug 00 01:13:05 EDT
Contents:
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? (ZnU)
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? (ZnU)
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? (ZnU)
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? (ZnU)
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) (Donovan
Rebbechi)
Re: Is the GDI-in-kernel-mode thing really so bad?... (was Re: Anonymous
Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates) (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Is the GDI-in-kernel-mode thing really so bad?... (was Re: Anonymous
Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates) (T. Max Devlin)
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) (Mike
Marion)
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? ("JS/PL")
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) (Peter
Ammon)
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From: ZnU <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It?
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 04:43:45 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> ZnU wrote:
> >
> > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Joe
> > Ragosta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > In article
> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Eric
> > > Bennett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > >The only way the government can "improve education" is to
> > > > > >get out of the education business.
> > > > >
> > > > > The government isn't a business, and institutional education
> > > > > isn't a profitable business, by definition.
> > > >
> > > > There are lots of private universities parents can send their
> > > > children to. They are organized as nonprofit organizations.
> > > > Government-run institutions are not *necessary* there. So, why
> > > > should they be necessary in other areas?
> > >
> > > There are also private elementary and high schools which don't
> > > receive government funding.
> > >
> > > In many cases, they provide superior education for less cost per
> > > student.
> >
> > They can only do that because they get to reject the more expensive
> > students. Who deals with them in a privatized educational system?
> >
> > Mr. Kulkis will probably say we should execute them.
>
> No... but neither should we abnormally prolong their lives.
We should slowly let them starve to death? That's worse!
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From: ZnU <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It?
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 04:46:53 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "T. Max Devlin" wrote:
> >
> > Said Aaron R. Kulkis in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
> > >Joe Ragosta wrote:
> > [...]
> > >> Yet I managed to get a scholarship and loans for Penn State,
> > >> worked my way through school, got into graduate school at
> > >> Cornell, progressed through several jobs of increasing
> > >> responsibility and ended up as President of a small company
> > >> where I'm making quite a lot of money (certainly far more than
> > >> the level that Democrats consider wealthy, although I think
> > >> their cutoff is way too low).
> > >>
> > >> So what part of the things you cited is impossible?
> > >
> > >According to Liberals....it's not fair...because...YOU SUCCEEDED!
> >
> > According to the liberals, he's a data point. You don't run
> > government based on anecdotal evidence.
>
> Ah yes, whenever anyone points out that the liberal "gloom and doom"
> scenarios don't jive with reality, it's always the old 'anecdotal
> evidence' routine.
You should talk. Your hero Reagan was the king of anecdotal evidence.
Your only argument in support of your sick economic policies is that
very rarely some people from the bottom manage to pull themselves to the
top.
> Don't you get sick of repeating yourself so many times per day, every
> time reality smacks you in the face yet again?
>
>
> The plural of anecdotal evidence is DATA.
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From: ZnU <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It?
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 04:48:34 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> ZnU wrote:
> >
> > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "JS/PL"
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > "ZnU" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
> > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > ZnU wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In article
> > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > > > > > Eric Bennett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > > > What makes you so sure he will be deficit spending? (At
> > > > > > > least, that his will be any worse than Gore's.) Yes, he
> > > > > > > is cutting more taxes than Gore, but he is also spending
> > > > > > > less than Gore on programs like health care.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > And spending more than Gore on things like (broken) missile
> > > > > > defense.
> > > > >
> > > > > As I recall, the early astronautic program was even more
> > > > > fucked up (or are all of those films of rockets going
> > > > > sideways, falling over, or even falling backwards just latter
> > > > > day fakes?)
> > > >
> > > > The problem is, the missile defense system is bad even if it
> > > > works.
> > > >
> > > > [snip]
> > > >
> > > What's bad about it? It maintains superiority, which is good.
> > > Unless you think NOT being the most militarily superior country
> > > is desirable. U.S. Strength is maintaining peace. If China
> > > doesn't like the fact that we are building the ability to stop
> > > first strikes in mid launch, I'd have to say - to bad.
> >
> > It's an expensive solution to a problem that doesn't exist.
>
> ZnU is INSANE
This is one of your better posts. It contains no facts or logical
argument, but at least it doesn't advocate allowing children to starve
to death.
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From: ZnU <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It?
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 04:52:50 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "JS/PL"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "ZnU" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > "T. Max Devlin" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Said Joe Ragosta in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
> > > > >In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > > > >[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> > > > >You have to make something like $20 to 30 K before you pay any
> > > > >taxes.
> > > > >Meanwhile, I'm paying 50% of my income in taxes (all taxes
> > > > >combined).
> > > > >
> > > > >That's an absurd difference.
> > > >
> > > > Maybe from your perspective. Try living on $24,000 a year with a
> > > > family
> > > > of 3.
> > >
> > > It wouldn't be too much to ask to REFRAIN FROM HAVING KIDS THAT
> > > YOU FUCKING CAN'T AFFORD, would it?
> >
> > I think people are pretty clear on the issue. But they have the kids
> > anyway. What are you going to do? Let the kids starve?
>
> Let's send them to your house, you love paying for them.
So what do you think should be done with them? Do you agree with Aaron
that the children of poor people are genetically inferior and should be
allowed to starve to death?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...)
Date: 27 Aug 2000 05:02:09 GMT
On Sat, 26 Aug 2000 22:03:25 -0400, Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
>Donovan Rebbechi wrote:
>The fact that we have so many "high school graduates" who cannot
>even read, let alone solve simple algebra problems, nor correctly
>identify "New Mexico" as being one of the 50 States of the United
>States of America.
The fact that some exist doesn't prove very much in itself.
>Or the fact that US teenagers routinely rank ***LAST*** for all
>industrialized nations in:
... the industrialised nations have considerably more leftist education
policies than the US, which would seem to be a point against, not in favour
of a user-pays system.
BTW, what happens when you compare a white tenth grader in the US with a white
tenth grader in Germany ? What happens to the US's rating when you control for
the different ethnic mix ? Would America's minorities suddenly score a whole
lot better if you just moved them to another country ? Do you think those
Afro-American kids, with their IQs hovering around 85 ( source: your bible )
would suddenly become rocket scientists after a few years in the Japanese
education system ? Your bible's answer is a decisive "no". H&M suggest that
modifying the education system is fiddling with the margins, after a point of
diminishing returns is reached.
>the BEST math scores (Japan),
Japan don't have any minorities, due to their policy of racial exclusivism.
Do you think that America's minorities would do substantially better if
you just moved them to Japan ?
>My bet is.. most American students are being kept in the dark
>about the fact that they have achieved so little...meanwhile,
>Japanese students are made aware of the fact that there are
>MANY MANY branches of mathematics to which even most college
>graduates will never even be introduced, let alone proficient.
BS. There's a cultural difference. Americans are more extroverted
and less modest than their East-Asian counterparts.
>And you doubt that at this time, the public schools in the US are
>abysmal?
I don't necessarily doubt it, but I am questioning your overly
simple-minded arguments. BTW, if the American system really is
failing, the conclusion I would reach would be that America would
do well to implement policies similar to the (relatively) leftist
education policies elsewhere. Like I said though, it's not really
that simple at all.
--
Donovan
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Is the GDI-in-kernel-mode thing really so bad?... (was Re: Anonymous
Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 01:03:38 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Said Aaron R. Kulkis in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
>"T. Max Devlin" wrote:
>>
>> Said Aaron R. Kulkis in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
>> >Nathaniel Jay Lee wrote:
>> [...]
>> >> Well, there are plenty of people that have heard your
>> >> rationalization of your sig. We have heard your purpose
>> >> and effect bullshit story over and over.
>> >
>> >Provide proof to the contrary.
>>
>> That's the point, Aaron. There can be no proof to the contrary; that's
>> the nature of 'selection bias' at work.
>>
>> "Selection bias" is the tendency to remember those events which confirm
>> a theory, and forget those events which conflict with it. It is
>> inevitable, but mitigatable.
>>
>> In this particular case, you have the added difficulty of having no way
>> of knowing, save in the breach, if your method is successful. If the
>> long chain of trolling you call a sig (I think it annoys people both by
>
>Actually, it put a STOP to a lot of trolling by the various people
>who have been named in it.
No, it doesn't. That is an empty contention, impossible to refute, and
thus impossible to prove.
--
T. Max Devlin
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Is the GDI-in-kernel-mode thing really so bad?... (was Re: Anonymous
Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 01:06:51 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Said Aaron R. Kulkis in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
>Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
>>
>> "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> > Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
>> > >
>> > > "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> > > > > Being new to c.o.l.a., I ran a deja.com search on posts by this
>> Kulkis
>> > > > > to see why he's such an irritating moron. And surprise, surprise,
>> his
>> > > > > posts reveal that he's not only irritating, but also a completely
>> Foul
>> > > >
>> > > > Yes, I am a severe irritation to stupid people.
>> > > >
>> > > > > Person, disliked widely across usenet.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > In other words, *plonk*.
>> > >
>> > > Why do you respond to people that will not read your responses?
>> >
>> > You read my response, didn't you....
>>
>> So what? The person you responded to, didn't. That's like walking around
>> yelling "LA LA LA LA". People are going to hear you, but they're not going
>> to LISTEN to you.
>
>Um.... the person saying "LA LA LA" is the "plonker", not the "plonkee"
That wouldn't make any sense. You are the one hearing them say "plonk".
They already know they plonked you. To respond is to pretend they're
paying attention to you.
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T. Max Devlin
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of events at the time, as I recall. Consider it.
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From: Mike Marion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 05:06:03 GMT
Joe Ragosta wrote:
> You may not need statistics, but several people on this group questioned
> it.
>
> Apparently, they really believe that the poor are paying a higher
> percentage of their income in taxes than the rich.
All I know is that from personal experience, the more I've made, the higher a
percentage I've been taxed. This is also true for _every_ person I know (if
we've talked about finances and taxes of course).
--
Mike Marion - Unix SysAdmin/Engineer, Qualcomm Inc. - http://miguelito.org
If Microsoft made cars instead of software, the seats would force everyone
to have the same size butt.
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From: "JS/PL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It?
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 01:04:00 -0400
"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Bob Hauck wrote:
> >
> > On Sat, 26 Aug 2000 15:35:31 -0400, JS/PL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > >What's bad about it? It maintains superiority, which is good.
> >
> > The major problems with missle defense are:
> >
> > 1. It is horrifically expensive and the threat is vague. The stated
> > threats of "third world nukes" and "terrorist nukes" are bullshit
> > because those groups will deliver nukes, if they deliver them, through
> > means other than the ICBM's they don't have. Can you say "Maginot
> > Line"?
> >
> > 2. Offense is much cheaper than defense. A warhead is orders of
> > magnitude cheaper than the interceptor that's supposed to stop it.
> > Decoys are effective and cheaper still. Therefore, a defense that is
> > at all effective, or claimed to be, simply invites the adversary to
> > build a bigger and more varied offense. This will make it more
> > difficult to get meaningful reductions in arsenals from the countries
> > that *do* have ICBM's, thereby decreasing our security and world
> > stability rather than increasing it.
>
> So...then, your idea is...
>
> Expand the number of ICBM's in the American arsenal, AND
> build large numbers of decoys, and blast China to hell if
> they launch even one missile.
No new missiles, we have enough right now to destroy the entire earth. No
decoys. Blast China to hell even if they launch a single missile is a
promise.
Now if there was a way to stop missiles immediately after launch.....
The current plan is to launch a full counter strike. It is the only plan,
and MUST be the only plan. The only thing worse than that plan is to NOT
launch a counter strike. Not very desirable options. A way to stop attacks
before they happen is the only other way. The cost is impossible to
calculate because of the technology gained from most major endeavors such as
this. Who can tell what the payoff on this investment would be in the long
run.
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From: Peter Ammon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 01:06:51 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
"Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
>
> Peter Ammon wrote:
> >
> > Joe Ragosta wrote:
> > >
> > > You may not need statistics, but several people on this group questioned
> > > it.
> > >
> > > Apparently, they really believe that the poor are paying a higher
> > > percentage of their income in taxes than the rich.
> >
> > That's obviously false...the rich do pay a higher percentage of their
> > income in taxes. But they also can afford to, since the marginal
> > utility of money is higher for the poor than the rich. After all, a
> > poor person needs each additional dollar more than a rich person.
> > What's not so obvious is whether the poor pay a smaller percentage of
> > what they can afford.
> >
> > I'm not saying that "everyone pays an equal percentage of what they can
> > afford" is necessarily a just taxation system, but it does seem to be
> > the philosophy behind a progressive tax.
>
> And by that same philosophy, if the guy earning $10,000/year pays
> $1.50/pound for hamburger, then the guy earning $30,000/year should pay
> $4.50/pound (or more) for hamburger.
Why do you think that movie theaters offer reduced prices for children
under 12? Why do you think that senior citizens get discounts on so
many things?
(There's an economics term for charging people different amounts
depending on who they are or the quantities they buy, but I forget it.)
Ironically, charging people different amounts based on what they can
afford and are willing to pay is the ultimate expression of a monopoly.
It maximizes the producer's profit and sets the consumer's net enjoyment
or benefit to zero. IOW, it's the Republicans' collective wet dream.
-Peter
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