Linux-Advocacy Digest #731, Volume #28           Tue, 29 Aug 00 13:13:04 EDT

Contents:
  Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) (Roberto 
Alsina)
  Re: Anonymous Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates - Re: R.E. Ballard says Linux 
growth stagnating (T. Max Devlin)
  Re: Anonymous Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates - Re: R.E.            (Roberto 
Alsina)
  Re: Anonymous Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates - Re: R.E.            (Roberto 
Alsina)
  Re: Richard Stallman's Politics (was: Linux is awesome! (Roberto Alsina)
  Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) (C Lund)
  Re: Anonymous Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates - Re: R.E. Ballard says  (Roberto 
Alsina)
  Re: Whats a good starting point? (Greg Horne)
  Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) (C Lund)
  Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) (C Lund)
  Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) ("Aaron R. 
Kulkis")

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From: Roberto Alsina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: 
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 16:05:02 GMT

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Phil B) wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > ZnU wrote:
> > >
> > > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Roberto Alsina wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > "Aaron R. Kulkis" escribi�:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Roberto Alsina wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "Aaron R. Kulkis" escribi�:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > But the USA is the only country where the leftists
have
> > > > > > > > > > committed to causing societal collapse from within.
If
> > > > > > > > > > the US is weakened, the rest of the world is easily
> > > > > > > > > > blackmailed.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > What exactly are you talking about? The more "leftist"
> > > > > > > > > countries, on average, have lower poverty rates and
better
> > > > > > > > > educational systems than we do. How do you account for
> > > > > > > > > this? Do they simply have fewer of these
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The leftists in THIS country are in collaboration with
the
> > > > > > > > leftists in the other countries.  The overall goal is to
> > > > > > > > weaken the US relative to the other countries, so that
the US
> > > > > > > > will become even weaker than them.  Simply put...a large
> > > > > > > > percentage of the education establishment should be put
on
> > > > > > > > trial for treason.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Do you not have a brain capable of figuring this out
> > > > > > > > yourself?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Aaron, are you claiming that there is a conspiracy between
> > > > > > > school teachers in the US, and, say, the french education
> > > > > > > minister, to make the french students superior to the US
ones?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The NEA leadership is overrun with Marxists.
> > > > >
> > > > > What's the NEA?
> > > >
> > > > National Education Association, the leftist union that controls
the
> > > > teaching establishment.
> > > >
> > > > Read any of their publications, and it is quite obvious that
they are
> > > > a bunch of Marxists.
> > >
> > > I'm sure you can quote some of this Marxist literature for us
here.
> >
> > I don't keep NEA rags in my house.
> >
> >
>
> Well, if I may slip briefly into the role of advocatus diaboli for a
> moment, the NEA is an organization that:
>
> 1) uses its influence to oppose the privatization of public education
in
> the United States
>
> http://www.nea.org/aboutnea/faq.html

Position that could be taken because they would like universal
availability of education...

> 2) subjects all of its members to a kind of secret code and collective
> discipline
>
> http://www.nea.org/aboutnea/code.html

So does the rotary club ;-)

Anyway, the code is not secret, it's there!

"The educator [...] recognizes the supreme importance
of the pursuit of truth, devotion to excellence, and
the nurture of the democratic principles[...]"

So communist! ;-)

> 3) places emphasis on education not just in the USA, but
internationally
>
> http://www.nea.org/aboutnea/interntl.html

Apparently so does Clinton, according to that page :-)

> and:
>
> 4) advocates the formation of, and supports the existence of,
teachers'
> unions anywhere and everywhere within the US public school system
>
> http://www.nea.org/newunion/

Well, they are a union, so not doing so would be weird :-)

> -- Now, although I have no doubt whatsoever that Mr. Kulkis will
> triumphantly proclaim his standard 'QED' at this point, whether any of
> this actually weakens the US and the public education system here;
whether
> it qualifies as treason or as a vast Marxist-leftist conspiracy, and
etc.,
> in reality, is best left as an exercise for the reader... :-|
>
> If nothing else, readers will at least have these pointers to the NEA
Web
> site in order to judge for themselves, instead of being constrained to
> watch nothing but a few people's rhetorical tap-dancing skills on
Usenet.

Hey, that would take all the fun away ;-)

--
Roberto Alsina


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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Anonymous Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates - Re: R.E. Ballard says 
Linux growth stagnating
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 12:07:15 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Said Roberto Alsina in comp.os.linux.advocacy; 
>"T. Max Devlin" escribi�:
   [...]
>If you can't say what you want to say, correct yourself instead of
>lying.

I always say what I want to say.  The problem is that you always read
what you want to read, regardless of what I say.  As evidenced by your
entirely false contention that I've engaged in lying or any other
dishonest representation.

>> That's the bitch of
>> natural language, you see.  Whether KDE is "a *commercial*" development
>> project is still a debatable issue,
>
>No, it is not debatable. It could be debatable, if you could
>show even the slightest reason why it could be considered
>one. Until then, it is only debatable in the stupid way
>things are debatable.

I've already shown more than slight reason.  If you're going to refuse
to read them (correctly) until *after* you accept and understand them,
you're going to be stuck without any ability to debate.

>> despite the tenuous potential links
>> between KDE, TT, and QT, and all other software and producers and things
>> on the planet.  But it isn't true in the way that I meant when I first
>> said it was true, that is true.
>
>And you knew it, and you saw no reason to retract. That's why you are 
>a liar, Max. Being wrong is ok. Being wrong, knowing it and not
>retracting makes you a liar. Or in your case, a foolish liar.

Perhaps you should check deja; you don't seem to be aware of just what
I've posted on this matter.

>> >Allow me here to go back to what exactly Max and I are writing about.
>> >
>> >Max had said:
>> >
>> >"Screw KDE.  Its a commercial development project."
>
>Now here Max deleted the place where I show him to be a lying 
>fool:
>
>>    [...]
>> 
>> I was wrong about that, Roberto, I'm sorry.  My apologies, sincerely, if
>> you took any offense, or if it caused you any other undue difficulties.
>
>Cool. Nice of you to finally come out and accept you are a liar.
>Now you are an appologizing liar.
>
>Next: apologize for calling me a whore.

Well, it does seem clear that you are more of a butthead than a whore.
But no apologies will be forthcoming on either manner, given the
circumstances.

-- 
T. Max Devlin
  -- Such is my recollection of my reconstruction
   of events at the time, as I recall.  Consider it.
       Research assistance gladly accepted.  --


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From: Roberto Alsina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Anonymous Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates - Re: R.E.           
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 13:21:21 -0300

"T. Max Devlin" escribi�:
> 
> Said Roberto Alsina in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
> >[EMAIL PROTECTED] escribi�:
>    [...]
> >Bullshit. I didn't say that. Go read the damn thread.
> >Whenever Nathaniel Lee said I was saying that, I said "no
> >I am not saying that, I am saying this other thing".
> 
> And then continued to say what amounted to the same thing, later on.
> Face it, Roberto, sooner or later you've got to take responsibility for
> your communications or have your opinions discounted.  You cannot have
> it both ways, and all this discussion has certainly gone on long enough
> to convince any non-butthead to recognize the problem.

And apparently, also you, so don't leave the buttheads out.

> Such problem is that you are frequent victim of elitist authoritarian
> bullshit thinking.  In your disdain for "non-contributing" members of
> the community (being part of the community is a contribution in its own
> right, whether you are a coder or not),

Depends on your definition of contributing.

> in your post-modernist rhetoric
> on philosophical topics, on your painfully clear reticence to be open
> and up-front about the potential issues in the relationship between KDE
> and Troll Tech and its putative major customers....

I replied to every question you asked. I see no reticence.

> I'm not going to say you are in error, prima facia, on any of these
> positions.

Good. Now, apply that to all the other subjects where you spew
your nonsense.

> But the fact that you hold all of them, and others which
> similarly allow those who know you through your posts to develop a
> (potentially false) consideration of your personality and general
> arguments, leads to an almost inexorable conclusion, which is that you
> are a butthead who provides no weight to his opinion with reasoned
> debate.

Believe that if you want.

> >If I did say something that could be understood to mean that, I suppose
> >the 10 times I said I didn't meant that should clarify :-P
> 
> That depends on the context, I'm afraid.  IOW, it comes down to whether
> anyone believes you.  If you'll note the number of people who don't
> believe you despite your frequent 'clarification', it might be worth
> considering whether you are being totally sincere and faithfully
> diligent in your self-examination.

That number of people, apparently, comes down to about 2. No big
deal for me. I consider now mjcr and Nathaniel understand what
I meant. That leaves you and perhaps Jedi.

> >Here's what I want to say: You don't like the direction linux is going?
> >Work and fix it. It doesn't make any difference if you have contributed
> >in the past or not, really, you still need to work and fix it.
> 
> And here's what we want to say: advocating not just the specific problem
> issue, but discussing in a reasonable and informed manner *why* we don't
> like the direction Linux is going *IS* "working to fix it".

You speak, obviously, as a non-contributor. Talk is cheap.

> Yes, in
> theory, what keeps Linux free is the fact that each individual *could*
> customize the entirety of the OS to their own needs and desires, given
> sufficient skills.  But stating this possibility is hardly going to do
> more than make hand-waving gestures in the direction of discussion about
> the issue, and thus why you are being 'put upon' by meta-discussion over
> your response and your attitude.  Writing our own software if we don't
> like "the direction linux is going" is the most trivial part of the
> process, actually.

If it's so trivial, and it fixes the problem, the problem is easily
fixable.

> Its convincing the community to refrain from unwise
> and ultimately counter-productive development in the first place which
> is the real work.

What a load of crap. If someone wants to develop something I believe
is counter-productive, it's his own problem, not mine or anyone
else's. I also reserve my own right to develop whatever I want,
regardless of the opinion of anyone else, so I must grant that
right to everyone.

> I congratulate Nathaniel Lee for having the gumption
> to engage in this effort, and 'mjcr' for supporting him, while again
> pointing out that while their points might have been addressed to some
> degree, your buttheaded responses generally prevented any productive
> discussion from occurring.

Pot, kettle, black.

-- 
Roberto Alsina

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From: Roberto Alsina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Anonymous Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates - Re: R.E.           
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 13:22:34 -0300

"T. Max Devlin" escribi�:
> 
> Said Stephen S. Edwards II in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
>    [...]
> >Of course he's going to be biased... he's a part
> >of the KDE project.  It's unfair to expect him
> >to be anything otherwise.
> 
> I'm sorry, this is such a horrible mangled bunch of post-modern
> bullshit, I couldn't resist responding.  No, it is not unfair to expect
> anyone to be unbiased, regardless of their affiliations. 

No, it is stupid and unrealistic, but I don't believe it's unfair.

-- 
Roberto Alsina

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From: Roberto Alsina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Richard Stallman's Politics (was: Linux is awesome!
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 13:28:15 -0300

"T. Max Devlin" escribi�:
> 
> Said Roberto Alsina in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
> >"T. Max Devlin" escribi�:
> >
> >> [...]I figure I'll come out ahead as long as I'm honest[...]
> >
> >You have proven here several times that you are not honest.
> >So, you will not come out ahead.
> >
> >Thanks for playing.
> 
> And its posts like this which provide the "big money, big prizes" of the
> effort.  :-)
> 
> Shall we go for a bonus round?  Like maybe you could show where I might
> have been dishonest?  Not mistaken, not wrong, but dishonest?

Sure!

In this URL you will find a post where you knew you were making a
wrong statement, knew it was wrong, yet saw no reason to retract.

http://x52.deja.com/=dnc/getdoc.xp?AN=663603671

To me, that seems dishonest. You later apologized, which shows
you now accept the statement was false, and the knowledge of
it being wrong is obvious from your own words.

So, you are dishonest. You are a liar.

Selected quotes:

"Screw KDE.  Its a commercial development project."

"Just because QT is the product, not KDE, and the
company's name isn't KDE, but Troll Tech, is no
reason for me to retract[...]"

Thanks again for playing.

-- 
Roberto Alsina

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (C Lund)
Crossposted-To: 
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 18:30:16 +0100

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> You will never discern shades of grey if you do not first acknowledge
> the existance of black and white.

So when are you going to learn to discern the shades of grey? It must be
nice to live in a simplistic black and white world like yours.

-- 

C Lund
http://www.notam.uio.no/~clund/

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From: Roberto Alsina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Anonymous Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates - Re: R.E. Ballard says 
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 13:35:51 -0300

"T. Max Devlin" escribi�:
> 
> Said Roberto Alsina in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
> >"T. Max Devlin" escribi�:
>    [...]
> >If you can't say what you want to say, correct yourself instead of
> >lying.
> 
> I always say what I want to say.  The problem is that you always read
> what you want to read, regardless of what I say.

Allow me to quote inaccurately what you deleted: "You need to read
not only what I say but what I meant". If you say what you mean,
your previous statement makes no sense.

>  As evidenced by your
> entirely false contention that I've engaged in lying or any other
> dishonest representation.

Well, I posted a careful explanation of why you lied.
Then you apologized. Looks like a confession to me, liar.

> >> That's the bitch of
> >> natural language, you see.  Whether KDE is "a *commercial*" development
> >> project is still a debatable issue,
> >
> >No, it is not debatable. It could be debatable, if you could
> >show even the slightest reason why it could be considered
> >one. Until then, it is only debatable in the stupid way
> >things are debatable.
> 
> I've already shown more than slight reason.  If you're going to refuse
> to read them (correctly) until *after* you accept and understand them,
> you're going to be stuck without any ability to debate.

Yawn. Look, liarkid, I am a part of the project. I know the
project. Until two days ago you didn't even know who we are
or what we do. Therefore, if you still believe your opinion
in this matter carries more weight than mine, you are just
deluded. You could say I am lying, though, but I will wait
until you do before I discuss that argument.
 
> >> despite the tenuous potential links
> >> between KDE, TT, and QT, and all other software and producers and things
> >> on the planet.  But it isn't true in the way that I meant when I first
> >> said it was true, that is true.
> >
> >And you knew it, and you saw no reason to retract. That's why you are
> >a liar, Max. Being wrong is ok. Being wrong, knowing it and not
> >retracting makes you a liar. Or in your case, a foolish liar.
> 
> Perhaps you should check deja; you don't seem to be aware of just what
> I've posted on this matter.

I saw your apology, Max. It's good. Liars should apologize
for their lies.

> >> >Allow me here to go back to what exactly Max and I are writing about.
> >> >
> >> >Max had said:
> >> >
> >> >"Screw KDE.  Its a commercial development project."
> >
> >Now here Max deleted the place where I show him to be a lying
> >fool:
> >
> >>    [...]
> >>
> >> I was wrong about that, Roberto, I'm sorry.  My apologies, sincerely, if
> >> you took any offense, or if it caused you any other undue difficulties.
> >
> >Cool. Nice of you to finally come out and accept you are a liar.
> >Now you are an appologizing liar.
> >
> >Next: apologize for calling me a whore.
> 
> Well, it does seem clear that you are more of a butthead than a whore.
> But no apologies will be forthcoming on either manner, given the
> circumstances.

Again, you accept I am not a whore, yet you will not apologize.
I expected just that. You are someone who makes false statements,
and when shown their falsehood, doesn't take them back. You are
a liar.

-- 
Roberto Alsina

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From: Greg Horne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Whats a good starting point?
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 11:28:44 -0500

Corel Linux works very well provided you have the supported video card.  The
lack of video drivers was my only complaint therefore I installed it on my
Toshiba 460CDT instead of my Compaq Presario 3555 without a problem.

Storm Linux is another good distribution.

Both are based on Debian which means the core system is stable which unlike
Microsoft Windows will keep you smiling.

Stay away from RedHat and the others as they are getting to the point of being
bloated.  Do you need 5 text editors?  No.


Kevin Wandtke wrote:

> OK.. I'm a Windows guy.. been using it for years. I'm also a Netware admin
> type ... been doing that for years too.. I've played around with Unix/Linux
> a little .. I understand the advantages .. now I want to get into it. I'm
> not trying to become a "shun a gui, purest, nuts & bolts guru" type .. just
> somebody who can use Linux comfortably on a desktop ... then we'll see about
> moving into the server world.
>
> That said hat distro's do you guys recommend? I did dl Corel's latest and
> was very impressed by the install.. I've been telling people I know that
> Widows never installed that easy.. which surprised me since you read about
> one of the "weaknesses" of Linux is that it's so hard to setup.  Anyway, is
> Corel a "good" place to start? What about Calera's which I hear about a lot?
> I also have Red Hat 6.2 .  Keep in mind ... I'm coming at this from a
> Windows point of view ... I'm trying to learn to be a simple user first..
> you know ,, walk then run.  My first job is to do everything on my Linux box
> (an older Dell 233MHz)  that I do on my Win98 Compaq .. Internet, email,
> burn CD's,finance (quicken) , taxes, scanning and basic office suite. If I
> could handle my wife's program that creates cross stitch patterns I'd dump
> Win98 on the Compaq in a heartbeat... well at least re-configure it as the
> smaller of a dual boot system maybe.
>
> So where does a guy start?
>
> Kevin Wandtke

--

Gregory D. Horne          L I N U X       .~.
Systems Analyst          The  Choice      /V\
                          of a  GNU      /( )\
                         Generation      ^^-^^



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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (C Lund)
Crossposted-To: 
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 18:37:17 +0100

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> > I wasn't talking about "welfare slobs", I was talking about the
working poor.
> 
> The only "working poor" are those who either
> A) refuse to work enough
> B) refuse to do work that pays well.
> C) Spend all of their money on stupid shit like new cars they can't 
>         afford, dumb-ass gold jewelry, etc.

D) Just can't find a job that pays enough.

> > And sometimes "ME" is not enough. Sometimes you fail for no fault of your 
> > own.
> I've failed many times.  Big fucking deal.

So how did you get back up?

> Being broke is a momentary condition
> Poverty is a way of life.

A way of life few if any choose.

> Any body who is "in poverty" is there because they CHOOSE TO LIVE
> that lifestyle.

Bullshit. Pure self-centered bullshit.

> > You don't need to be doing drugs/booze/hookers/whatever to be among hte
> > working �poor. All it takes is having a job that pays very little. If
> ...you forgot *AND* making sure that you never work full time.

The working poor *do* work full time. That's why they're called "working poor".

> > you're trying to raise a kid or two, then you're even worse off.
> TOUGH SHIT!  IF you can't afford kids, don't have them.

Get real. The urge to procreate is *the* strongest urge in every single
speices on the face of the earth. And you want people to ignore it so they
can fit into your little world?

> If you do...then do the right thing and put them up for adoption.

How is *that* the right thing? That's about the worst thing you can do to
a newborn child. Jeez...

> > Your "they're poor because they deserve to be poor" attitude is what's out
> > of touch with reality.
> Being broke is a passing inconvenience.
> POVERTY IS A WAY OF LIFE.

It ain't true just because you type it in all caps.

> In this country, anybody who was poor 3 years ago, and is still poor
> today
> is in such a situation for no reason other than their own poor
> decisions.
> If you're really that desperate, go get a second job.

Many of the working poor have two jobs.

-- 

C Lund
http://www.notam.uio.no/~clund/

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (C Lund)
Crossposted-To: 
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 18:38:30 +0100

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Eric Bennett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> That's because of the particular issues we've been discussing.  Try
> asking him about censorship and he'll probably sound like a Democrat.

I see.. 

Which ng are you two posting from anyway? I'm on CSMA. I'm not sure what
this topic has to do with Macintosh computers... (but it's an interesting
change)

-- 

C Lund
http://www.notam.uio.no/~clund/

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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: 
comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 12:35:13 -0400

Gary Hallock wrote:
> 
> Mike Marion wrote:
> 
> > Gary Hallock wrote:
> >
> > > It is a funny segment, but I hope you don't take it seriously.  It is
> > > obviously staged.
> >
> > I wouldn't say it's staged.  Heavily edited to mostly show the moronic
> > answers, since they get the laughs... but not staged per se.
> 
> It may not be staged in the sense of the people being given a script.   But

Our K-12 classes are being taught be "teachers" who they themselves
can't pass simple tests of basic knowledge, and you're thinking that
their (former) pupils need a script to look stupid???


> the people know what the segment is about and know that they are expected to
> give a dumb answer.   They also know that dumb anwsers will likely give them
> their 15 minutes (or in this case, a few seconds) or fame.

Try this:  Go out to a coffee shop some time, strike up conversations
with people, and ask some simple questions like "who was president
during
the Civil War?" and see what kind of answers you get.

> 
> Gary


-- 
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642

I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
    premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
    you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
    you are lazy, stupid people"

J: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
   challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
   between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
   Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole

A:  The wise man is mocked by fools.

B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.

C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
   sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
   that she doesn't like.
 
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.

E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
   ...despite (D) above.

F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
   response until their behavior improves.

G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
   adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.

H:  Knackos...you're a retard.

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