Linux-Advocacy Digest #184, Volume #29 Mon, 18 Sep 00 17:13:04 EDT
Contents:
Re: The Linux Experience ("Rich C")
Re: Why NT is shite (Thomas Corriher)
Re: The Linux Experience ("Ingemar Lundin")
Re: Because programmers hate users (Re: Why are Linux UIs so crappy?) ("Rich C")
Re: The Linux Experience (Jake Taense)
Re: The Linux Experience (Jake Taense)
Re: Because programmers hate users (Re: Why are Linux UIs so crappy?) (Brian
Langenberger)
Re: Never tell me again that Windows is easy to install!!! It's a lie!
Re: Never tell me again that Windows is easy to install!!! It's a lie!
Re: Id Software developer prefers OS X to Linux, NT (C Lund)
Re: Unix more secure, huh? ("Paul 'Z' Ewande�")
Re: End-User Alternative to Windows (Yannick)
Re: Id Software developer prefers OS X to Linux, NT (C Lund)
Re: The Linux Experience ("Rich C")
Re: Id Software developer prefers OS X to Linux, NT (C Lund)
Re: Id Software developer prefers OS X to Linux, NT (C Lund)
Re: Id Software developer prefers OS X to Linux, NT (C Lund)
Re: End-User Alternative to Windows (Michael Mitchell)
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From: "Rich C" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The Linux Experience
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 15:15:35 -0400
Hmmm...the problem seems to be with the user she went to for font help.
If this person really knew Linux, he/she would have known that RedHat 6.2's
font server already has support for TrueType fonts and that replacing xfs
was NOT necessary. Instead, your friend should have read Donovan Rebbechi's
excellent Font HOWTO:
http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/Font-HOWTO.html
It explains how to get TrueType fonts working with RedHat 6.2 (among other
distros.) I also have RedHat 6.2 and used it with great success. It is
simply a matter of tweaking some configurations for xfs (basically just
adding a TrueType font directory, and adding this directory to the font
server path, IIRC.)
No need to download or compile anything.
Perhaps there are two things you can do to help your friend further:
1) Suggest she stay away from this particular source of help;
2) Explain to her how to get into single user mode or console mode so she
can work with X without locking herself out of the machine.
--
Rich C.
"Great minds discuss ideas.
Average minds discuss events.
Small minds discuss people."
Jake Taense <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Spent some of my Sunday helping out a friend with a problem.
>
> Seems she has been happily using Linux for most things (RedHat 6.2) for a
> little bit now. However, like many users, she disliked the lack of
Truetype
> support.
>
> So, she called up another linux user and asked what she could do to fix
that.
>
> "Oh, just add a truetype font server."
>
> "Where can I get that?"
>
> "I'll mail you a link. Download the tarball and make sure you follow the
> instructions in the INSTALL file."
>
> To her credit, she did exactly that. She downloaded the right file,
extracted
> it properly, and followed the instructions precisely. She replaced the
> existing xfs file with the new one as indicated in the INSTALL file,
replaced
> the man page, and the other files as necessary, taking care to back up the
> originals.
>
> Finally, the moment of truth - she rebooted. What happened? The xfs server
> failed during initialization. She uses the redhat graphical login. Result?
A
> machine that just sat and kept switching video modes. Killing the x-server
> with ctrl-alt-backspace didn't fix it. All she could do was
ctrl-alt-delete,
> which shut everything down.
>
> She was without a machine until I could come over and fix it.
>
> "What was I supposed to do?" she asked.
>
> "You did everything fine. In fact, I'm glad this happened. Welcome to the
> linux experience."
>
> "Would I have been more successful if I had just completely upgraded to
> Xfree86 4.0.1?"
>
> "Good Lord, no."
>
> Xfree86 has the wonderful role of being the worst group I've ever seen for
> writing documentation that is completely useless to the world at large.
I'm a
> technical guy, and my upgrade to 4.0.1 was problematic to say the least. I
> succeeded, but only after much exasperation.
>
> Linux. Documentation is "no longer being maintained", outdated, and
frequently
> flat-out wrong. What should be simple "make"'s become nightmares due to
> dependencies or programmer assumptions. Precompiled binaries fail. RPM's
torch
> X-settings. Instructions are written by programmers, for programmers, with
no
> thought at all given towards non-technical users.
>
> Go ahead. Flame away. But unless you are prepared to spend a huge amount
of
> time in support, turning a friend on to linux is probably a mistake.
Either
> that, or lock them down, don't give them root access to their own
computer,
> and get call-display so that you can avoid their calls.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Thomas Corriher)
Subject: Re: Why NT is shite
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], abuse@[127.0.0.1]
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 19:28:08 GMT
On Fri, 15 Sep 2000 08:31:11 -0400, MH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I've heard this argument before, and have been involved in one
>or two on the topic. Someone who is for all intent and purposes
>flirting with ineptitude in their native tongue (either spoken
>or written) is IMHO not someone that I could ever characterize as
>technically skilled beyond a 2 year college level.
Studies have repeatedly shown that IQ is not influenced by
a person's education level. Judging from some of these posts,
common sense also indicates that it is possible to be an
educated fool.
Listen up "Mr. Education" and you might learn something from
this "uneducated" two year college guy:
Psychological studies have shown that there are two basic
types of intelligence. (This is the simplest breakdown)
Type 1 - iconic intelligence
Type 2 - analytical intelligence
These are from ancient studies, so you will probably have
to reference writings from the era when Freud and Jung
practiced medicine to read about it.
The people here would score highest in the analytical category.
Analytical intelligence is the ability to handle raw data
effectively; and provides intellectual strengths in history,
mathematics, engineering, or anything else that requires the
mental manipulation of facts. (Men tend to be stronger in
this category)
Most readers here would probably score low in the iconic
category. Iconic intelligence is responsible for the
merits of those that we call gifted. Iconic intelligence
is responsible for creativity and imagination. It is the
ability to comprehend extensive abstraction of ideas.
People with this type of intelligence are best suited for
careers in the arts, psychology, languages, or philosophy.
These people are more frequently known as innovators.
(Women normally rate higher in this area.)
Therefore, the laws of probability would indicate that
the best technical professionals would be the ones who
have the greatest trouble with language. The rare people
who are fortunate enough to possess great strengths in both
areas are commonly known as geniuses.
I attended a two year school, but I am not stupid enough
to make an ass of myself publicly. I hope this has been
educational.
"I never let my schooling interfere with my education."
--Mark Twain
--
From the desk of Thomas Corriher
The real email address is:
corriher at bellsouth.
net
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From: "Ingemar Lundin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The Linux Experience
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 19:30:33 GMT
i know exactly what happened...you didnt set the exact path to (or wrote it
wrongly) i xf86config...the dir were the ttf:s were supposed to be, a friend
of mine got the same problem but i was able to direct him per tel. to write
it correctly in konsole
mode and using emacs, then it worked like a charm.
the downside with having such a complex system like linux is that you will
be hardly punished if you make the wrong move as root.
/IL
"Jake Taense" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> skrev i meddelandet
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Spent some of my Sunday helping out a friend with a problem.
>
> Seems she has been happily using Linux for most things (RedHat 6.2) for a
> little bit now. However, like many users, she disliked the lack of
Truetype
> support.
>
> So, she called up another linux user and asked what she could do to fix
that.
>
> "Oh, just add a truetype font server."
>
> "Where can I get that?"
>
> "I'll mail you a link. Download the tarball and make sure you follow the
> instructions in the INSTALL file."
>
> To her credit, she did exactly that. She downloaded the right file,
extracted
> it properly, and followed the instructions precisely. She replaced the
> existing xfs file with the new one as indicated in the INSTALL file,
replaced
> the man page, and the other files as necessary, taking care to back up the
> originals.
>
> Finally, the moment of truth - she rebooted. What happened? The xfs server
> failed during initialization. She uses the redhat graphical login. Result?
A
> machine that just sat and kept switching video modes. Killing the x-server
> with ctrl-alt-backspace didn't fix it. All she could do was
ctrl-alt-delete,
> which shut everything down.
>
> She was without a machine until I could come over and fix it.
>
> "What was I supposed to do?" she asked.
>
> "You did everything fine. In fact, I'm glad this happened. Welcome to the
> linux experience."
>
> "Would I have been more successful if I had just completely upgraded to
> Xfree86 4.0.1?"
>
> "Good Lord, no."
>
> Xfree86 has the wonderful role of being the worst group I've ever seen for
> writing documentation that is completely useless to the world at large.
I'm a
> technical guy, and my upgrade to 4.0.1 was problematic to say the least. I
> succeeded, but only after much exasperation.
>
> Linux. Documentation is "no longer being maintained", outdated, and
frequently
> flat-out wrong. What should be simple "make"'s become nightmares due to
> dependencies or programmer assumptions. Precompiled binaries fail. RPM's
torch
> X-settings. Instructions are written by programmers, for programmers, with
no
> thought at all given towards non-technical users.
>
> Go ahead. Flame away. But unless you are prepared to spend a huge amount
of
> time in support, turning a friend on to linux is probably a mistake.
Either
> that, or lock them down, don't give them root access to their own
computer,
> and get call-display so that you can avoid their calls.
------------------------------
From: "Rich C" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Because programmers hate users (Re: Why are Linux UIs so crappy?)
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 15:28:58 -0400
The Ghost In The Machine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Rich C
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote
> on Sun, 17 Sep 2000 21:21:35 -0400
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >"Donovan Rebbechi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> >> I believe VMS has some kind of file versioning system ( so if you
> >overwrite
> >> a file, it keeps the old one. If you accidently hose something, you
> >> can "roll back" ). But I don't know very much about it.
> >
> >The VMS file versioning system simply adds a version attribute (;v) as a
> >number after the file name. If you simply name the file, without the
> >version, VMS will operate on the latest (highest) version number.
> >Alternatively, you can specify another version. For example, if I have:
> >
> >myfile.c;1
> >myfile.c;2
> >
> >and I edit myfile.c;1 and save it, it will be saved as myfile.c;3. There
is
> >also a command that will purge all older versions, although I can't
recall
> >offhand what it is , and I don't have access to a VAX at the moment.
>
> Most likely, it's PURGE /VERSION=depth wildcard, or just PURGE.
> Admittedly, this is from memory and I haven't touched a VMS
> system since 1990.
>
It's (for example, to delete all but the last 2 versions of the file:
PURGE/KEEP=2
Another neat feature is the ability to refer to the version before as:
myfile.c;-1
so you don't have to remember what absolute version number you are on.
Also, the VMS file system will keep up to 32767 versions of your file,
unless you set a limit by specifying the /VERSION_LIMIT qualifier with
CREATE/DIRECTORY, SET DIRECTORY, or SET FILE commands.
OK, enough OT shit, back to your argument ;o)
--
Rich C.
"Great minds discuss ideas.
Average minds discuss events.
Small minds discuss people."
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jake Taense)
Subject: Re: The Linux Experience
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 19:38:11 GMT
In article <t3ux5.96$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Ingemar Lundin"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>i know exactly what happened...you didnt set the exact path to (or wrote it
>wrongly) i xf86config...the dir were the ttf:s were supposed to be, a friend
>of mine got the same problem but i was able to direct him per tel. to write
>it correctly in konsole
>mode and using emacs, then it worked like a charm.
>the downside with having such a complex system like linux is that you will
>be hardly punished if you make the wrong move as root.
>
The point was that the instructions were wrong. She can hardly be blamed not
knowing that she couldn't trust the documentation.
We've all been there.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jake Taense)
Subject: Re: The Linux Experience
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 19:44:29 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Rich C" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Hmmm...the problem seems to be with the user she went to for font help
>If this person really knew Linux, he/she would have known that RedHat 6.2's
>font server already has support for TrueType fonts and that replacing xfs
>was NOT necessary. Instead, your friend should have read Donovan Rebbechi's
>excellent Font HOWTO:
It's very possible to know linux just fine, and not know the ins and outs of
one particular distribution. RedHat 6.2 uses a 3.3.x-based Xfree86. My
understanding is that only from 4.0 onwards is truetype a core part of the
server. I understand his mistake.
>http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/Font-HOWTO.html
>
>It explains how to get TrueType fonts working with RedHat 6.2 (among other
>distros.) I also have RedHat 6.2 and used it with great success. It is
>simply a matter of tweaking some configurations for xfs (basically just
>adding a TrueType font directory, and adding this directory to the font
>server path, IIRC.)
That would have been MY starting point, if needed, but only because I know it
exists. She examined what should have been the only information needed.
>No need to download or compile anything.
>
>Perhaps there are two things you can do to help your friend further:
>
>1) Suggest she stay away from this particular source of help;
>
>2) Explain to her how to get into single user mode or console mode so she
>can work with X without locking herself out of the machine.
What I suggested is probably better for her - I suggested that she not ever
play with anything to do with X. A visit to a LUG meeting and a few questions
for the newbies will show exactly how many people have messed up their
X-settings, sometimes beyond easy recovery, with only a few easy commands.
Once installed, software in Linux is often rock-steady. Installing software,
though, blows up WAY too often.
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From: Brian Langenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Because programmers hate users (Re: Why are Linux UIs so crappy?)
Date: 18 Sep 2000 19:50:15 GMT
Richard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
<snip>
: One of the first things I noticed when I first got Linux was that
: there were no extensions, and that seemed stupid. When I asked about
: it, someone waved me at magic and file, and that shut me up.
File extensions *are* stupid; they're quite possibly the stupidest of
all ways to figure out the type of files being dealt with. Rather
than hoping the user uses some sane naming scheme and performing
checks in case they don't, just examine the start of the file
and know *for sure* what sort of file it is. And if performance is
an issue, transparently cache the magic data in the filesystem
to make a quick system call out of it (which should be just as fast
as getting the file's name and doing suffix checking).
File type associations aren't a bad idea for those that want it.
But let's at least make a sane implementation of it without the
stupid file name extension kludge.
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.ms.windows.advocacy,comp.ms.windows-nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Never tell me again that Windows is easy to install!!! It's a lie!
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 12:47:47 -0700
Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Nigel Feltham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8q5mqf$env3j$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> How often do linux distro's remove drivers for old hardware in new
> versions - my copy of
> mandrake 7.1 still seems to carry drivers for every device that was
> supported when I had
> my first linux distro (slackware 2.0) back in october 1994 as well as most
> devices invented
> since them except the horrible windblows only type hardware (mainly
modems).
I recall the removal of support of one filesystem from Linux, but that is
about it.
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.ms.windows.advocacy,comp.ms.windows-nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Never tell me again that Windows is easy to install!!! It's a lie!
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 12:37:17 -0700
Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Nigel Feltham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8q5mfd$eot7m$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >If someone needs dos, they could try Free Dos.
>
>
> How many new computer buyers purchasing machines with Win-me preinstalled
> and then finding they need a flash upgrade and cannot start in dos will
> actually
> know of the existance of freedos / dr-dos (also at least partially free)
and
> any
> other free versions of dos that may exist as many new buyers will only
know
> the software they had in their hardware bundle and to them no other
> operating
> systems exist except what they are using.
Which goes to show the efforts these neophytes have to go to in these cases,
thanks to Microsoft's foresight of their customer's needs.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (C Lund)
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Id Software developer prefers OS X to Linux, NT
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 22:12:38 +0100
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Mike Byrns
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> But why? So many anti-Microsoft folks are quick to tell you how
> abhorrent the Windows interface is. Familiar or not it should not be
> replicated if they feel it that bad.
Maybe they're actually trying to replicate the Mac interface, but are
botching it and thereby ending up with something that looks more like the
WIndows GUI. ;)
--
C Lund
http://www.notam.uio.no/~clund/
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From: "Paul 'Z' Ewande�" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Unix more secure, huh?
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 22:27:03 +0200
"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a �crit dans le message news:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> "Paul 'Z' Ewande�" wrote:
> >
> > "sfcybear" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a �crit dans le message news:
> > 8q0n8r$ipc$[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> > <SNIP> Some stuff </SNIP>
> >
> > > And I supose that all the MS OS users are current on patchs??? I doubt
> > > that.
> >
> > Huh, that's exactly is point. Windows users are expected to be behind
> > security patches, what's funny is that the supposedly smarter Un*x
admins
> > aren't all current neither. :)
>
> prove it.
How could they be bitten by old exploits when patches exist for those ? Have
you been following the thread ?
Paul 'Z' Ewande
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From: Yannick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: End-User Alternative to Windows
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 19:58:41 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Sure...just put it in a shutdown script.
> But...with unix..the utility of shutting down machines is nil.
It is. It's called saving energy. Unless you have teams working 24h/24h
7 days a week.
Yannick.
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (C Lund)
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Id Software developer prefers OS X to Linux, NT
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 22:13:50 +0100
In article
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, dc
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> >Go read Paul 'Z' Ewande's reply to my post and maybe you'll
> >> >learn a thing or two yourself.
> >> Why? It's common knowledge.
> >Then why didn't you give a few examples?
> Why didn't you know?
Because I haven't used W2K. I thought I already told you that.
> >> >One might think you didn't know any more
> >> >than I do on W2K.
> >> Why? Because you aren't paying me to educate you?
> >Why should I pay you? You obviously don't have a clue.
> How so?
In that you apparently don't know the difference between W2K and Win98.
--
C Lund
http://www.notam.uio.no/~clund/
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From: "Rich C" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The Linux Experience
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 16:10:32 -0400
Jake Taense <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Rich C" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> >Hmmm...the problem seems to be with the user she went to for font help
>
> >If this person really knew Linux, he/she would have known that RedHat
6.2's
> >font server already has support for TrueType fonts and that replacing xfs
> >was NOT necessary. Instead, your friend should have read Donovan
Rebbechi's
> >excellent Font HOWTO:
>
> It's very possible to know linux just fine, and not know the ins and outs
of
> one particular distribution. RedHat 6.2 uses a 3.3.x-based Xfree86. My
> understanding is that only from 4.0 onwards is truetype a core part of the
> server. I understand his mistake.
OK, I'll grant that. I just reviewed Donovan's document, which states that
RedHat's version of xfs has truetype support, while Debian's doesn't. Doing
a "man xfs" (in the RedHat system) mentions nothing about truetype fonts.
Also doing a quick search of RedHat's web site with "truetype" or "truetype
fonts" as keywords doesn't make anything evident pop up at you. So it is
conceivable not to be aware of RedHat's Support of TrueType fonts in xfs if
you are not aware of the HOWTO.
>
> >http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/Font-HOWTO.html
> >
> >It explains how to get TrueType fonts working with RedHat 6.2 (among
other
> >distros.) I also have RedHat 6.2 and used it with great success. It is
> >simply a matter of tweaking some configurations for xfs (basically just
> >adding a TrueType font directory, and adding this directory to the font
> >server path, IIRC.)
>
> That would have been MY starting point, if needed, but only because I know
it
> exists. She examined what should have been the only information needed.
>
> >No need to download or compile anything.
> >
> >Perhaps there are two things you can do to help your friend further:
> >
> >1) Suggest she stay away from this particular source of help;
> >
> >2) Explain to her how to get into single user mode or console mode so she
> >can work with X without locking herself out of the machine.
>
> What I suggested is probably better for her - I suggested that she not
ever
> play with anything to do with X. A visit to a LUG meeting and a few
questions
> for the newbies will show exactly how many people have messed up their
> X-settings, sometimes beyond easy recovery, with only a few easy commands.
>
> Once installed, software in Linux is often rock-steady. Installing
software,
> though, blows up WAY too often.
The general rule is: "Don't mess with anything your system *depends* on."
For example, I make sure my system boots to runlevel 3 when I'm messing with
X, so it's not dependent on X to log in and do stuff. And I make sure I have
a boot disk and a known kernel when recompiling my kernel or playing with
LILO options. This way, if (when) something gets hosed, I can always get
into the system.
--
Rich C.
"Great minds discuss ideas.
Average minds discuss events.
Small minds discuss people."
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (C Lund)
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Id Software developer prefers OS X to Linux, NT
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 22:14:51 +0100
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Mike Byrns
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> C Lund wrote:
> > In article <8q2ts5$jbq$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "James Stutts"
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > I mean - you guys haven't managed to tell me about *one* single
new thing
> > > > in W2K.
> > > Active Directory? Game support combined with SMP? Why don't you
look it up
> > > yourself?
> > Why should I? I'm never going to use that OS anyway.
> So why the fuck are you asking?
Maybe you should go back and read the thread from the beginning.
--
C Lund
http://www.notam.uio.no/~clund/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (C Lund)
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Id Software developer prefers OS X to Linux, NT
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 22:18:51 +0100
In article <0%dx5.6220$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Chad Myers"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Why should I? I'm never going to use that OS anyway.
> Then why do you ask questions about it? Why do you insist on putting it down
> when you obviously don't know even the most basic fundamentals in computing.
Which fundamentals would these be? Or is this just another Wintroll
blowing hot air?
Here's a clue: Don't go around beating your chest about how vastly
improved W2K is to Win98 when you're completely incapable of giving a
single example of how it is improved (that one's for dc - or was it
shocktrooper?).
Likewise, don't go around telling people they "don't know even the most
basic fundamentals in computing" if you're incapable of giving examples of
said fundamentals. And that one's for you.
> Perhaps you should keep your fingers away from the keyboard until you get half
> a clue like the rest of the folks in your group then you can make comments.
More hot air from a Wintroll.
> -Chad
--
C Lund
http://www.notam.uio.no/~clund/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (C Lund)
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Id Software developer prefers OS X to Linux, NT
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 22:21:55 +0100
In article <8q3vp8$qo5$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "James Stutts"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Ignorance isn't a virtue, last I checked.
I can agree with that.
> Each OS has a place. I frankly prefer Win2k
> to Linux on the desktop, primarily for CAD application support. For a
> generic server
> for a workgroup, Linux is fine. For a firewall, I prefer OpenBSD. For a
> desktop
> UNIX, I'm partial to SunOS or IRIX. Right tool, right job. Never liked
> Slowlaris too much. ;)
Same here. I used plain old Sun way back when, and then the University
switched to Solaris. They rarely had more than two-thirds of the terminals
up and running at a time after that, and the apps kept crashing and the
terminals kept hanging.. Bp
But that could be caused by the sysops and not the OS.
SGI otoh, has *never* crashed on me. But it does tend to hang when a
terminal on the same network is being booted.
--
C Lund
http://www.notam.uio.no/~clund/
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From: Michael Mitchell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: End-User Alternative to Windows
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 16:15:30 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Yannick wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Sure...just put it in a shutdown script.
> > But...with unix..the utility of shutting down machines is nil.
>
> It is. It's called saving energy. Unless you have teams working 24h/24h
> 7 days a week.
Energy will be saved to a degree but my old SCSI hard drives don't like
to spin up
and down alot. I leave em on all the time for better reliability.
Besides, you never know when you'll wanna dial in or telnet to your box
from work
or from the road etc :P
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