Linux-Advocacy Digest #424, Volume #29 Tue, 3 Oct 00 13:13:06 EDT
Contents:
Re: Linux Sucks (Bartek Kostrzewa)
Re: What kind of WinTroll Idiot are you anyway? (Ian Davey)
Re: Win2K beats Linux in OpenGL performance using Nvidia products (Bartek Kostrzewa)
Re: What kind of WinTroll Idiot are you anyway? (Nathaniel Jay Lee)
Re: How low can they go...? ("JS/PL")
Re: Why should anyone prefer Linux to Win2k on the DeskTop ("Ingemar Lundin")
Re: Unix rules in Redmond ("Drestin Black")
Re: What kind of WinTroll Idiot are you anyway? ("Drestin Black")
Re: What kind of WinTroll Idiot are you anyway? ("Rob Hughes")
Re: What kind of WinTroll Idiot are you anyway? ("Drestin Black")
Re: What kind of WinTroll Idiot are you anyway? ("Drestin Black")
Re: What kind of WinTroll Idiot are you anyway? ("Drestin Black")
Re: What kind of WinTroll Idiot are you anyway? ("Drestin Black")
Re: Windows+Linux+MacOS = BeOS (Nathaniel Jay Lee)
Re: What kind of WinTroll Idiot are you anyway? ("Drestin Black")
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Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 18:10:24 +0200
From: Bartek Kostrzewa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux Sucks
Richard, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> I tried Linux and I think it stinks. While there seem to be hundreds,
> if not thousands of applications included with the basic cd, most of
> them are useless junk that seem to require an interpreter of sorts to
> figure out.
What distribution have you tried?
Do you know the meaning of the word "manual" ? Just read a damn manual
and you'll know what a default installation of Linux can really do for
you!
>
> My advice is to let Linux be and allow it to die the slow death it
> seems to be dying as we speak.
Hmm... if a market share growth rate of 5% per month is dying, my name
is Dgingis Khan.
What junk this linux is. Do people
> actually like this sort of rot?
It's not rot, it's the best OS I have ever used.
>
> Richard Y. Hertz
--
Best regards,
Bartek Kostrzewa - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<<< http://technoage.web.lu >>>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ian Davey)
Subject: Re: What kind of WinTroll Idiot are you anyway?
Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 16:11:19 GMT
In article <8rcpjr$hn795$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Jim McNeill"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>No, it doesn't. Not on Red Hat and not on Mandrake 7.0 anyway. It does
>tell me something is missing, but not the RPM I'll find it in.
It definately does in Mandrake 7.1, I was using the feature just a week or so
ago. When you select the "Check Dependencies" checkbox it pops up a window to
tell you which packages are missing. This is using kpackage.
ian.
\ /
(@_@) http://www.eclipse.co.uk/sweetdespise/ (dark literature)
/(&)\ http://www.eclipse.co.uk/sweetdespise/libertycaptions/ (art)
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Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 18:13:56 +0200
From: Bartek Kostrzewa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Win2K beats Linux in OpenGL performance using Nvidia products
Todd wrote:
>
> Well, subject says it all.
>
> With all the Linux users saying how Linux is sooooo much faster than Win2k
> even on less powerful systems, Win2k soundly stomps Linux OpenGL performance
> on the SAME hardware.
>
> The tests were using Nvidia 3D graphic cards... the most popular today.
>
> Check out the results on www.tomshardware.com
>
> The funny thing is OpenGL is an open standard... seems like Linux should
> have stomped Win2K in this arena.
>
> Moreover, Direct3D is faster than OpenGL on Windows 2000... so it seems if
> you want fast 3D, Windows 2000 is it.
>
> hehe... I can just see the flames comin' in now :)
>
> -Todd
True, it's slower, but who cares? It's NVidia's fault, they should
release a damn open source driver.
--
Best regards,
Bartek Kostrzewa - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<<< http://technoage.web.lu >>>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Nathaniel Jay Lee)
Subject: Re: What kind of WinTroll Idiot are you anyway?
Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 16:15:31 -0000
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
David M. Butler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> spoke thusly:
>Mike Byrns wrote:
>
>> If we cannot agree on the best OS at least we can agree on the worst
>> posters.
>
>Heh... Indeed.
>
>
>
I am always amazed that people on both sides of the OS
debate tend to critisize and hate the same posters. And
the really goofy part is that these posters usually go on
to state that it is some proble with 'everyone else' that
causes them to be hated. Wouldn't want to get
introspective for a second. Self-realization might kill
somebody with that big of an ego.
:-)
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Nathaniel Jay Lee
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From: "JS/PL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: How low can they go...?
Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 12:13:34 -0400
"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Said JS/PL in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
> >
> >"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >
> >> >And I'm sure you've got a special agreement other than the one every
> >other
> >> >dialup customer of theirs signed.
> >>
> >> No, just a contract that says if I post for a month of Internet access,
> >> they'll provide it.
> >
> >That sounds like a great law! You mean to say if you pay an ISP a month
in
> >advance they can't cancel you for breaking the rules?
>
> I think you've tried to sneak an assumption in where I never made it.
I don't think so. Your the one that claimed your ISP is contractually bound
to provide you service, merely because you have a positive balance on your
account.
I stated that any ISP can suspend or delete an account for any reason they
like except (possibly) for a very narrow set of reasons having to do with
discrimination. And there's probably no legislation for even those reasons.
Internet access through an ISP is not a "right" even if your paid up, you
are logging in at the discretion of your provider, and they can refuse
service at any time for any reason they like. If they don't like your
hairstyle they can cancel you at will, even if your paid up for a year!
For someone claiming to have such a firm understanding of law 101, when do
you plan begin demonstrating it?
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From: "Ingemar Lundin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why should anyone prefer Linux to Win2k on the DeskTop
Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 16:22:34 GMT
"Todd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> skrev i meddelandet
news:8rcar2$1ml$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> "Pan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Can one easily script photoshop libraries to draw images into web
> > applications on the fly the way that one can do with the PerlMagick
> > extensions for ImageMagick? What equivalent is there to this on win32?
> >
> > In any case, the gimp, a free program bundled with most linux systems
> > should not be compared to a $299 retail product like photoshop. But it
> > blows away micros~1 paint.
> >
> > This is strictly a case of linux raising the bar on itself. People
> > assume that because apache, sendmail, the host of c and c++ libraries
> > and the various other packages that come bundled for free with linux are
> > better than commercial alternatives on micros~1 that all linux apps
> > should be better than all commercial apps available on win32. That's
> > not realistic.
> >
> > If you want to compare apples to apples, compare linux apps to the
> > freely available apps bundled with win32:
>
> Why the ones bundled with 'win32'?
>
> Either you are advocating 'bundling', or you are limiting the free Win32
> choices artificially.
>
> > gimp ms paint, Gimp by a mile
> > kde advanced text editor vs notepad & wordpad, huge edge for linux
>
> But not vs. TextPad or Ultraedit.
>
> Besides, with Notepad, I can use UNICODE, *and* Windows 2000 has many
> different language input locales that Linux does not have.
>
> So for multi-language use, Notepad SMOKES kde 'advanced' text editor.
>
> > apache vs personal web server, no contest
>
> I beg to differ. Personal web server is based on IIS 5.0 under Windows
> 2000, and it SMOKES apache in almost every way.
errrhm...what pws do you mean? the one called pws is based on iis 4 under
ntw4 and win95/98
/IL
> Check www.tpc.org for the benchmarks... Windows 2000 + IIS 5.0 takes the
TOP
> spots for performance.
>
> Linux + Apache is NOWHERE to be seen -- not even the lower scores.
>
> IIS is included free with Windows 2000.
>
> > perl vs. perl hands down, perl for linux
>
> No. ActivePerl for Win32 is perl plus Windows extensions -- ie. all of
the
> funtionality of Perl plus more.
>
> In addition, Windows 2000 comes with the Windows Scripting Host which
allows
> you to use 'active' languages *anywhere* in the OS where you can use
> objects.
>
> This means as a native scripting language, in ASP pages, called from any
> language, *anywhere*.
>
> The two built-in languages are JavaScript and Visual Basic.
>
> I'm not going to tutor you on WSH, but it is extremely powerful and uses
XML
> to bind 'jobs' together. You can call JavaScript functions from Visual
> Basic and vise versa.
>
> You can also create 'plug-in' active languages if you want more choice.
> However, the power of JavaScript plus using COM/ActiveX objects is far
more
> powerful than anything I have seen under Linux or UNIX for that matter
with
> regards to scripting languages.
>
> > gcc vs ???
>
> gcc is available for Win32.
>
> > gpp vs ???
>
> Not sure what gpp is - I use Visual tools from MS -- been a while since I
> toyed around with the 'free' stuff.
>
> > sendmail vs ???
>
> Many variants of sendmail exist for Win32. SMTP/NNTP/HTTP/FTP services
are
> included in Windows 2000.
>
> > Moreover, there are dozens of commandline utilities with no real
> > counterpart on win32.
>
> There are dozens of gui utilities with NO counterpart under Linux. Also,
> you can get the Windows 2000 resource kit which adds a zillion command
line
> utilities -- many of them which came from UNIX.
>
> -Todd
>
> > Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
> > >
> > > "Nigel Feltham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:8ranth$hfumo$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > > Okay, I think you're enough right in here, but that plug-ins
could
> > > > easily
> > > > >be
> > > > >integrated inside GIMP with nothing more than recompiling, so again
> it
> > > has
> > > > >nothing to see with the program quality itself, hasn't it ?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Gimp already does support plugins - www.gimp.org has links to a huge
> range
> > > > of plugins.
> > >
> > > I would hardly call that list either Huge or much of a range. Seems
> like
> > > lots of them say "Dropped in favor of xxx" or "DO NOT DOWNLOAD".
> > >
> > > What's left are things like "Draws a grid on the image" or are file
> import
> > > filters (which I don't consider to be a plug-in at all).
> > >
> > > There are a few decent plug-ins of the calibre of most photoshop
> plug-ins,
> > > but nothing like Kai's power tools or any of the advanced stuff.
> >
> > --
> > Pan
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > http://www.la-online.com
>
>
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From: "Drestin Black" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Unix rules in Redmond
Date: 3 Oct 2000 11:22:09 -0500
I'm sorry dude, but sometimes you hear something so silly you can't stop
from laughing...
I'm sure he'll post the tux results ... it's all they've got...
"Mike Byrns" <"mike.byrns"@technologist,.com> wrote in message
news:REdC5.98294$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Drestin Black wrote:
>
> > what? WHAT? hahahahhahhhahahahahhhahahahaahhahhahhaahhhahahaahhaha
> > <breath>
> > hahahahhhahhahahahahahahaaahahahahahaaahahahhahahhaha
> >
> > "Gary Hallock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > However you want to interpret the Mindcraft tests, it is old news.
Linux
> > beats
> > > W2K hands down now.
>
> Although I think "Drestin Black" is an idiot for his post (sorry dude that
was
> sophmoric) I still need you to post your proof. This is a challenge for
you to
> show what you posted is true. Of course you can take it back now if you'd
like.
>
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From: "Drestin Black" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: What kind of WinTroll Idiot are you anyway?
Date: 3 Oct 2000 11:24:10 -0500
"." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8rbsj5$29bm$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Drestin Black <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> > why? are the linux IDE drivers that bad?
>
> No, but DMA is often optional. You can turn it on, you can turn it off.
Why wouldn't you want to use DMA?
>
> You can also set its parameters in great detail. Its really very handy.
DMS parameters ... ALL of them, SO many of them.
>
> But not quite as handy as being able to play unreal tournament without
> rebooting.
who would reboot to play unreal tournament? why?
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From: "Rob Hughes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: What kind of WinTroll Idiot are you anyway?
Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 11:25:34 -0500
Just do what I did... killfile the lot of them. These groups are much more
enjoyable now that I no longer have to wade through the ramblings of morons,
zealots and the generally clueless on either side.
"Charlie Ebert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Today, we live in a world where Windows occupied around 1.2 billion
> computers world wide.
> Linux occupies only 200 million or so computers world wide.
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From: "Drestin Black" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: What kind of WinTroll Idiot are you anyway?
Date: 3 Oct 2000 11:28:12 -0500
"." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8rbsei$29bm$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Drestin Black <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> > "." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:8ra29a$14af$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> In comp.os.linux.advocacy MH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> > Anyone with any experience knows that you either have a
hardware\driver
> >> > problem, or you're lying. Why perpetrate such BS? Does this help your
> >> > precious Linux? It only serves to denigrate the weight of any
assertion
> > you
> >> > make, relegating you to irrelevant. Get a clue.
> >>
> >> 1. I'm not lying.
> >> 2. I gave my specs in detail, and the problem in moderate detail.
> >> 3. Its not my "precious" linux. If youd been paying attention, you
would
> > have
> >> seen that I dont particularly like linux any more than I like
windows.
> > My
> >> tastes go beyond both.
> >> 5. The NVIDIA driver *may* be a problem, I never said this was
impossible.
> > I just
> >> find it interesting that the W2K version of their driver would
> > therefore be less
> >> stable than their windows ME version. And beyond that, (for a
little
> > added detail)
> >> it is only *one* winamp 3d visualization which causes this problem.
> > The rest work
> >> almost unbelievably well.
> >> 6. Shut the fuck up, you stupid asshole.
>
> > 1. Liar
> > 2. who cares, you're lying.
> > 3. ha!
> > 4. you can't count or number a list
> > 5. Being as how the exact opposite has been reported by every hardware
site
> > out there, I find again that you are full of it. AND beyond that,
obviously
> > it's the winamp plugin that's the problem you uneducated moron.
>
> You havent been reading much about NVIDIAs W2K drivers.
Oh puhlease - I have been using them religiously since 3.64, you haven't a
clue. I contribute news to one of the most popular nvidia fan sites too. You
haven't a clue. They are solid.
>
> Tell me, dresden, could NVIDIA or microsoft possibly have any flaws at
all?
of course. I would never claim otherwise - but I'll point to real flaws
instead of made up ones. Example: The nvidia driver do not properly set
monitor refresh rates in DirectX or OpenGL. You can fix the DirectX problem
though registry patches but the OpenGL needs to be driven by the software.
The fault lies either with nvidia or MS but both point fingers at each
other - so, that's not cool.
Also, in Q3A, for the longest time everyone thought there was a bug in the
nvidia drivers under W2K regarding "brightness" - turns out it was in Q3A
itself, the overbrightbits toggle was incorrectly implemented. it's been
fixed in version 1.25. No one is perfect, but I don't make shit up just to
put something down - I use the facts - much more effective that way.
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From: "Drestin Black" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: What kind of WinTroll Idiot are you anyway?
Date: 3 Oct 2000 11:31:05 -0500
"Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:aYkC5.24976$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> "." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:8rbsei$29bm$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > You havent been reading much about NVIDIAs W2K drivers.
> >
> > Tell me, dresden, could NVIDIA or microsoft possibly have any flaws at
all?
>
> NVidia's drivers have had... problems in the past. This is the case
> on all of the platforms they support (Win9x, WinNT, Win2K, and Linux).
>
> The only time I've seen a BSOD in Win2K were these two times:
>
> - When I set the computer type to ACPI PC when it wasn't (i.e. replaced
the
> HAL with an incompatible HAL. If you know anything about NT/2K, the HAL
> is the basis for which all hardware communication takes place. If it's
> incorrect, nothing works)
>
> - When I installed some "beta" Nvidia drivers a few months back and I was
> playing Q3. I don't play Q3 anymore, and I've heard Nvidia's OpenGL
drivers
> are better now, but I had many problems with them, so I gave up. UT is
> much better anyhow! =)
Agreed that earlier beta drivers for W2K were sometimes unstable - but...
they were BETA drivers :) Personally I am unaware of released reference
drivers having any problems. I'm using the detonator 3's myself without a
single problem.
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From: "Drestin Black" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: What kind of WinTroll Idiot are you anyway?
Date: 3 Oct 2000 11:31:07 -0500
"." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8rbs5p$29bm$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Drestin Black <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> > "." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:8ra230$14af$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Chad Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> >>
> >> > "." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >> > news:8r9bkm$1e11$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> >> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Chad Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > "." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >> >> > news:8r8t5t$1e70$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> >> >> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Chad Myers
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> > "." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >> >> >> > news:8r8nv2$1e70$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> >> >> >> Would you believe....Under the extreme stress of winamp, a
nice
> > windowed
> >> >> >> >> 3d visualization and putty (ssh client), my windows 2000
machine
> >> >> >> >> bluescreened on my first attempt to reply to this post.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> > No. Unless you told me you were overclocking your CPU or you
had
> > some
> >> >> >> > odd hardware with poor drivers.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> My cpu is not overclocked currently (it was, I had some problems
> > with it)
> >> >> >> and is a PIII 666. I have a hercules TNT2 ultra (great card, one
of
> > 500
> >> >> >> made) which is not overclocked, and im using the most recent
stable
> > drivers
> >> >> >> from www.nvidia.com. The voltage on both processors is nominal,
and
> >> > neither
> >> >> >> one ever tops off 118 degrees farenheit.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> I do not have this problem with BeOS, XFree86 4.0.1 or windows
> > millenium,
> >> >> > oddly.
> >> >>
> >> >> > Then no, I don't believe you.
> >> >>
> >> >> > What was the exact BSOD message?
> >> >>
> >> >> I can recreate the situation about 90% of the time. I'll take a
> > picture of
> >> >> it with my new digital camera.
> >>
> >> > If, in fact, it happens that often, it's 100% a hardware issue or a
> > driver
> >> > issue, not a Win2K issue. If it's something like
IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL
> > or
> >> > PAGE_FAULT_IN_NONPAGED_AREA, it's definately a hardware issue.
> >>
> >> This may indeed be true, but then that would insinuate that the
hardware
> > is
> >> only broken inside W2K, and NOT inside windows ME. (not to mention
other
> > operating
> >> systems).
>
> > So, yutz boy - what IS the error message? Hmmmm??
>
> So, white-trash poking loser, where IS your "copyrighted" code?
So much for the error eh?
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From: "Drestin Black" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: What kind of WinTroll Idiot are you anyway?
Date: 3 Oct 2000 11:35:10 -0500
"kosh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8rbjuv$lrv$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> <snip for brevity>
> >
> > Amazing how the rest of the world finds NVIDIA to be the single best
> > chipset and drivers combination of every video card out there... I never
> > cease to be amazed that only linux users manage to have trouble running
> > windows and using the most stable drivers in existance... sheesh...
> >
>
> You might want to talk to some nvidia driver reps then. They are targeting
> speed over stability. Their cards do crash strangely when doing opengl
> devel. Their early W2K driver did have a lot of stability problems on
> almost all non intel chipsets. That same base driver is used for linux so
> that the same driver is used for all platforms. That means linux also has
> those issues. Nvidia is not interested in stability, they are interested
> in pure speed. I have been told this directly by more then one nvidia
> driver writer. These are not lies or exaggerations if you feel they are
> then go ahead and talk to some driver reps. Also look in deja.com over the
> newsgroup archives and you will see these problems. If you want also look
> though some game bulltetin boards like ones for Diablo 2, Ground Control,
> Homeworld, HalfLife etc for nvidia geforce problems and in almost every
> one you will find problems. Nvidia is very quick to blame everyone but
> themselves but the truth is they write very fast piss poor drivers.
>
> When I told them a driver should not fail ever except in the case of
> hardware failure I was laughed at. However that is the standard to which
> other linux drivers are held. I have not once crashed X running on a
> matrox card. I have had my sound driver die and get unloaded then just
> reload it. When the nvidia driver dies because it hooks into kernel space
> it takes everything with it. They felt that a ~5% speed penalty was not
> worth the huge increases in stability they would get for moving the driver
> out of kernel space. Next time before you answer someone like this please
> look up a little more information first.
I've talked to Brandon quite a few times. His actual quote was that they
release stable versions FIRST then tweak for performance afterwards and go
into a loop. Stability, then some more speed, then focus on fixing issues
that might have come up from the tweak, then return to speeding them up.
Seriously, go read all the nvidia sites and see the cycle. Do you ever
wonder why EVERY single beta release is benchmarked so fanatically. We can
tell from whether or not it's sped up if it's a stability release or speed
release. You tell me to look up more information - I point that finger back
at you. SURE You'll find people having trouble with their drivers, of
course. Every card/driver has it's issues - but nvidia has fewer by
percentage (there are a LOT more nvidia cards out there than any other card
type so in simple volume there'll likely be more nvidia reports). I DO read
newsgroups about nvidia and what I'm happy to say is that while I do see bug
reports I also note plenty of fixes and "upgraded to this version and that
new game is working now." Unlike 3dfx and ATI (do I dare mention Matrox) -
nvidia releases driver updates fast and frequently - they make it work. They
have the best W2K drivers out there today, bar none. That (and their
chipsets OWN you) is why I use nvida cards exlusively.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Nathaniel Jay Lee)
Subject: Re: Windows+Linux+MacOS = BeOS
Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 16:35:44 -0000
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> spoke thusly:
>I don't usually agree with Nathaniel, but I do respect his opinion
>which he generally uses reasonable arguments to defend, unlike you who
>resort to rhymes and riddles and twisted examples of the english
>language all in a desperate effort to defend your poor position,but in
>this case he (Mr. Lee) is right on the mark.
>
>I'm glad you are not a Windows advocate jedi :(
>
>You do more harm to the Linux community than you realize.
>
>Try arguing a specific point someday.
>
>
>claire
>
Jesus, maybe I need to rethink.
Of course, having one personality out of your three dozen
or so agree with me doesn't make me feel all that bad. If
the rest of them show up in agreement, maybe I'll change
my mind ;-).
I don't know if you noticed or not, but the number of my
posts in here have been cut way back lately. It's just
not enjoyable anymore. This seems more a place for kooks
and wackos on both sides of the debate to show up and see
how many lies and how much garbage they can throw at
eachother. It's kind of depressing. And if I thought for
a minute that COLA gave an accurate sample of what the
rest of humanity was like, I would, in a heartbeat, slit
my writsts, and try to get the knife to my jugular before
I bled to death.
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Nathaniel Jay Lee
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From: "Drestin Black" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: What kind of WinTroll Idiot are you anyway?
Date: 3 Oct 2000 11:39:05 -0500
"." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8rbrug$29bm$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Drestin Black <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> > "." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:8r8t5t$1e70$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Chad Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> >>
> >> > "." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >> > news:8r8nv2$1e70$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> >> Would you believe....Under the extreme stress of winamp, a nice
> > windowed
> >> >> 3d visualization and putty (ssh client), my windows 2000 machine
> >> >> bluescreened on my first attempt to reply to this post.
> >>
> >> > No. Unless you told me you were overclocking your CPU or you had some
> >> > odd hardware with poor drivers.
> >>
> >> My cpu is not overclocked currently (it was, I had some problems with
it)
> >> and is a PIII 666. I have a hercules TNT2 ultra (great card, one of
500
> >> made) which is not overclocked, and im using the most recent stable
> > drivers
> >> from www.nvidia.com. The voltage on both processors is nominal, and
> > neither
> >> one ever tops off 118 degrees farenheit.
> >>
> >> I do not have this problem with BeOS, XFree86 4.0.1 or windows
millenium,
> > oddly.
> >>
> > I love the way abracadabra pretends he knows what any of those things
means
> > (one of 500 made, you believed that story?)
>
> Look it up. I bought it from a coworker and managed to confirm his story.
They
> didnt sell well, but theyre incredible cards.
They sold FANTASICALLY but the company closed down. THAT'S why there was a
limited run and the figure wasn't 500.
>
> > PIII-666? How about 667 you
> > yutz, no such thing as a PIII666
>
> Clock the chip yourself. 2 third party applications were nice enough to
tell
> me that it was running at 666mhz. Besides, its much more fun to type 666
> instead of 667. Talking with the guy who sold me the video card (who used
to
> work in R&D for motorola), it would seem that intel is pulling more of a
marketing
> ploy than anything else.
http://support.intel.com/support/processors/sspec/p3p.htm - show me the
PIII666 on that list?
yes, I know what your applications tell you - 666 is closer to it's real
speed but that's not what you've got. Does your mustang have a 5.0 liter
engine or 4.87?
>
> > check Intels site if you are about to
> > further embaress yourself. "voltage on BOTH processors?" Oh really?
>
> Yes, the core voltage on both the pIII and the video proc is a steady
+2.02.
> > So, you
> > are implying you have ANY control WHATSOEVER over the voltage on your
1/500
> > TNT2 card?
>
> No, but I do have control over the core voltage of the PIII. I
overclocked
> the video processor and have been watching its statistics carefully with a
> nifty hardware monitor application; its tending toward the hot side; its
> clocked currently to 195mhz. I think I can get it to go faster.
>
> > AND only an idiot would buy a hercules ultra and not overclock
> > it, THAT'S the only reason they were cool.
>
> Indeed, thats why I am.
But you said you didn't.
<snip> ... whatever...
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