Linux-Advocacy Digest #462, Volume #29 Thu, 5 Oct 00 02:13:06 EDT
Contents:
Re: Id Software developer prefers OS X to Linux, NT (Bryant Brandon)
Re: What kind of WinTroll Idiot are you anyway? (Mike Byrns)
Re: What kind of WinTroll Idiot are you anyway? (.)
Re: Migration --> NT costing please :-) ("Todd")
Re: What kind of WinTroll Idiot are you anyway? (Mike Byrns)
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (Donovan Rebbechi)
Re: What kind of WinTroll Idiot are you anyway? (Mike Byrns)
Re: What kind of WinTroll Idiot are you anyway? (Mike Byrns)
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From: Bryant Brandon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Id Software developer prefers OS X to Linux, NT
Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 00:02:33 -0500
In article
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, dc
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
@On Wed, 04 Oct 2000 19:47:26 -0500, Bryant Brandon
@<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
@
@>In article
@><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, dc
@><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
@>
@>@>@>@>Before I run around trying to prove
@>@>@>@>things for you, would you mind telling me what all I need to prove
@>@>@>@>before I begin? You have a nasty habit of applying "bully rules"
@>@>@>@>to
@>@>@>@>your conversations. ie, changing the rules midway when you start
@>@>@>@>losing.
@>@>@>@
@>@>@>@You have a nasty habit (you've done it here in this PC discussion of
@>@>@>@your lab's issues) of blaming a lot of things without having a shred
@>@>@>@of proof. I'm merely pointing out to you that you don't have that
@>@>@>@proof, so you really don't have any idea what's wrong or whether
@>@>@>@quotas/profiles are at fault (or would help).
@>@>@>
@>@>@> You don't want me to prove it. OK.
@>@>@
@>@>@I don't? I didn't say that. Learn to read. I said you can't because
@>@>@you don't have proof. You aren't capable of doing so. You may want
@>@>@to do it, but it probably isn't going to happen.
@>@>
@>@> I told you to be specific in what you wanted me to prove, and you
@>@>refused. So, no matter what I prove, you'll later saddle it with more
@>@>qualifiers/exceptions, and make me prove it all over again. But as
@>@>soon
@>@>as you're willing to tell me what to prove, I'll be happy to prove it.
@>@
@>@Prove the disk issue would be solved by quotas.
@>
@> No. I made no statement that it would, and in fact, I argued to the
@>contrary.
@
@>-----------
@>Message-ID:
@><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
@>Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 00:12:13 -0500
@>@@>@Sure. Now, do you typically have thousands of users logging into a
@>@@>@single machine *locally*?
@>@@>
@>@@> No, just about thirty. Argument still holds, just with fewer users
@>@@>and more data per user.
@>@@> So, quotas don't help? Then why did you bring them up?
@>@@
@>@@Quotas help. Do you not understand how quotas help? What part of
@>@@"quota" didn't you understand? Yes, too many profiles can overwhelm a
@>@@hard drive, but that's not a likely scenario at all.
@>@
@>@ It seems to have happened. Yes, I understand quotas, but you implied
@>@that they can solve this problem. They cannot.
@>-----------
@>
@> When I tell you to learn to read, I'm not kidding. You have no
@>reading comprehension skill at all. Dumbass.
@
@YOU, in fact, are the 'dumbass'. You incorrectly assume that "too
@many profiles have overwhelmed the hard drive" when in fact you have
@no proof of that in any way, shape, or form. You have made
@ASSumptions every step of the way here, and my comment was intended to
@simply draw attention to that fact.
You asked if it can happen. The machine in question is proof that it
can happen, simply because it has w2k installed on it. You see, we've
been discussing thoughout this thread how the profiling thingy works.
You have stated yourself, numerous times, that it is possible that a
machine can fill the harddrive with profiles under w2k's system.
Here's the proof:
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Message-ID:
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 11:10:53 -0500
@>So, even if each user has a quota of one byte,
@>enough unique users can fill up the system.
@
@Sure.
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@>@> It's not my fault you cannot write intelligently.
@>@
@>@I write *very* intelligently; you're spinning.
@>
@> See above, dumbass.
@
@Indeed, 'dumbass'.
Hmm....
@>@I write *very* intelligently; you're spinning.
[...]
@Indeed, 'dumbass'.
Ha ha.
@>[...]
@>
@>@>@>@Spin...spin...spin.....
@>@>@>
@>@>@> To think I wasted so much rational reasoning on you when I could
@>@>@> have
@>@>@>just called you a dumbass in the first place. Such a shame.
@>@>@
@>@>@Spin...spin.... by your logic, driving a car gives you serious racing
@>@>@experience.
@>@>
@>@> Depends on how you drive it. By your logic, when you ask "Do you
@>@>have any driving experience at all?" you really mean "Do you have any
@>@>Indy 500 racing experience?" And, when someone who is just a regular
@>@>driver says yes, he is being stupid, juvenile, and a smartass. Why do
@>@>we have to read your mind?
@>@
@>@Sorry; administration experience isn't "Well, I hacked together one
@>@computer!" experience. Not by a long shot.
@>
@> It was two, they were networked, I played with all the admin tools in
@>NetBSD of six years ago--whatever verison that was. Ergo, I
@>administered a network. Sure, it was a small network, and it was merely
@>to test out some stuff. But it was administrative experience regardless
@>of what you say.
@> Also, your question was poorly-worded.
@
@TWO!! Wow! Now you're an administrator! LOL....
"Do you have *ANY* administrative experience at all?" (emphasis mine)
^^^
"Yes."
Your words, eat 'em.
@>@>@>@>@Can't you help yourself? "Pathetic" is the term that comes to
@>@>@>@>@mind
@>@>@>@>@when presented with a person that just gives up, and then vents in
@>@>@>@>@here all of his frustrations.
@>@>@>@>
@>@>@>@> I have not. I'm going through the proper channels. The fact
@>@>@>@> that
@>@>@>@>you are too dumb to realize this even after multiple explanations
@>@>@>@>is
@>@>@>@>not
@>@>@>@>my problem. Tell me, are you unable to read, or do you simply
@>@>@>@>refuse?
@>@>@>@
@>@>@>@You're a whiner.
@>@>@>
@>@>@> And you're a moron. Cope.
@>@>@
@>@>@How am I a moron? *YOU* are the one with the problem. *YOU* are the
@>@>@one that can't get it fixed. *YOU* are the one wasting time in here
@>@>@complaining. Sounds like you're the moron to me.
@>@>
@>@> You repeat false statements again and again, you cannot write a
@>@>coherent sentence to save your life, you like tossing about labels, and
@>@>you lay blame indiscriminately. Then, once you have finished all that,
@>@>you blame it on me. Truely astounding.
@>@
@>@Can you back any of that up?
@>
@> Yes.
@
@No, you can't. The only thing you have seen is that the computer says
@disk space is full - that's ALL you know about the problem. All else
@is your guess.
That isn't what I was responding to here. Oh, but that can't be, you
write "*very* intelligently"!
@>@YOU are the one with the problem on your
@>@lab computer; that's pretty self-evident.
@>
@> Umm, no shit.
@
@>@>@>@>@I'm tired of telling you what's wrong;
@>@>@>@>@go find someone who works in the labs and tell him to help you.
@>@>@>@>@If
@>@>@>@>@you can't, tough cookies; that's not Microsoft's fault - it's
@>@>@>@>@yours,
@>@>@>@>@for giving up rather than getting help. If you want to attack me
@>@>@>@>@for
@>@>@>@>@suggesting you see the dean, more power to you, but you aren't any
@>@>@>@>@closer to solving the problem. Get off your ass and fix the
@>@>@>@>@problem.
@>@>@>@>
@>@>@>@> Your suggesting that I see the dean is one of your dumber
@>@>@>@> comments
@>@>@>@> in
@>@>@>@>this forum.
@>@>@>@
@>@>@>@Fine; see someone else who can help you. Obviously you've been
@>@>@>@powerless up to this point; you really ought to figure out how to do
@>@>@>@-something-.
@>@>@>
@>@>@> Are you familiar with the practice of "stonewalling"? Basically,
@>@>@> an
@>@>@>individual or group decides not to let someone do something, and it
@>@>@>(stonewalling) happens. UNT (or this portion of it) has decided not
@>@>@>to
@>@>@>fix the problem or listen to me. Now, UNT is an institution with
@>@>@>milions of dollars and thousands of employees. I'm a student living
@>@>@>from paycheck to paycheck. Just what the fuck should I do? I've
@>@>@>explained why the dean is not an option.
@>@>@
@>@>@Fine - see someone else who can help you, rather than simply giving
@>@>@up.
@>@>
@>@> I'm sorry, did I call you a moron? Oh, wait, you earned it.
@>@
@>@You're the only one wearing that label.
@>
@> Not likely.
@
@It seems that way; my computers work; yours don't - AND you're paying
@a staff of people to maintain them, yet they don't. When you, as a
@paying customer, can't get any help, you certainly *do* appear to be
@the moron....
I'm a student. We get fucked on a regular basis. We buy overprices
books, then sell them back at half price, only to buy them again "used"
at a "discount" for only 90% of the price.
But, why am I a moron? Because _they_ are stonewalling? Interesting
logic, but very, very stupid.
@>@> I've been higher on the foodchain. At the lower levels they just
@>@>kick me upstairs, and at the higher levels they don't give a fuck.
@>@>I've
@>@>made my rounds.
@>@
@>@You've spoken with everyone that can help? Next I'd suggest seeing
@>@the admissions department, so you can discuss why you are there if the
@>@computers there don't work.
@>
@> I'm working on it. I do have classes/work, you know.
@
@And what does the teacher/prof/whatever in charge of the class say
@about your problems?
"Talk to the staff." As noted earlier in this thread, he has as
little clout as I do--he's a student too.
Hmm, why do we have to repeat things so often?
@>@>@>@> YOU have attacked them, reread the thread if you disagree.
@>@>@>@
@>@>@>@Please, Bryant. Those of us actually following the thread know the
@>@>@>@truth:
@>@>@>@
@>@>@>@On Sat, 30 Sep 2000 09:53:44 -0500, Bryant Brandon
@>@>@>@<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
@>@>@>@>@>@Call your desktop support staff.
@>@>@>@>@>
@>@>@>@>@> ...a bunch of monkies.
@>@>@>@__________
@>@>@>@
@>@>@>@I suggested you call them on the phone. You called them a bunch of
@>@>@>@'monkies' (sic). You are attacking them, not me.
@>@>@>
@>@>@> Oh goody! The quote game!
@>@>@>
@>@>@>--------
@>@>@>Message-ID:
@>@>@><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
@>@>@>Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 11:10:53 -0500
@>@>@>
@>@>@>@No, you're more than qualified to call your desktop support staff
@>@>@>@'shit'.
@>@>@>---------
@>@>@
@>@>@And you agreed with me in your very next post. Obviously, you've got
@>@>@some issues with your DT support team.
@>@>
@>@> Like I said, I merely agreed with you.
@>@>
@>@>Message-ID:
@>@><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
@>@>Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 23:57:07 -0500
@>@>
@>@>@ No, I have merely agreed with you. I do not attack the lab people
@>@>@ in
@>@>@person because I know they are not responsible for the problem, and
@>@>@are
@>@>@about as powerless as I am. Also, attacking them would only serve to
@>@>@slow things down.
@>@>@ YOU have attacked them, reread the thread if you disagree.
@>@
@>@Sorry; that's not correct. You called them a bunch of "monkies", as
@>@you can clearly see above.
@>
@> You can check the dates, which I took the liberty of including for
@>you edification.
@> And hold on, you accuse me of agreeing with you, I confirm that I
@>agree with you, and now you say that's not correct? Where's your brain?
@
@You called them monkies. You can spin that however you like.
You hate losing, don't you?
--
B.B. --I am not a goat! http://people.unt.edu/~bdb0015
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From: Mike Byrns <"mike.byrns"@technologist,.com>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: What kind of WinTroll Idiot are you anyway?
Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 05:09:28 GMT
"." wrote:
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Mike Byrns <"mike.byrns"@technologist,.com> wrote:
> > "." wrote:
>
> >> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Chad Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >> >> I can recreate the situation about 90% of the time. I'll take a picture of
> >> >> it with my new digital camera.
> >>
> >> > If, in fact, it happens that often, it's 100% a hardware issue or a driver
> >> > issue, not a Win2K issue. If it's something like IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL or
> >> > PAGE_FAULT_IN_NONPAGED_AREA, it's definately a hardware issue.
> >>
> >> This may indeed be true, but then that would insinuate that the hardware is
> >> only broken inside W2K, and NOT inside windows ME. (not to mention other operating
> >> systems).
>
> > He said hardware or driver issue. Use logic. Given that the hardware is the same
> > perhaps it would make sense to see if the same driver binaries are being used. I
>bet
> > they're not. You never did post the bugcheck error. Was it
>IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL or
> > PAGE_FAULT_IN_NONPAGED_AREA? Both are indicitive of a kernel driver defect. The
>same
> > kind of kernel driver defects that can bring a Linux system down.
>
> No kidding. The same driver binaries are of course NOT being used, as ive tested
> it across a variety of operating systems which are not completely binary compatable.
>
> The interesting bit here is that the NVIDIA W2K driver blows ass (as can be confirmed
> by bugreports from NVIDIA themselves) and their windowsME driver (which is the same
>as
> the win98 driver and has had more time to mature) is incredibly stable.
>
> The point that you seem to be missing is that im not attacking windows in particular
> here.
Fair enough. What W2K driver are you using? The Detonator3 or later?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: What kind of WinTroll Idiot are you anyway?
Date: 5 Oct 2000 05:11:43 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy Mike Byrns <"mike.byrns"@technologist,.com> wrote:
> "." wrote:
>> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Mike Byrns <"mike.byrns"@technologist,.com> wrote:
>> > "." wrote:
>>
>> >> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Chad Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >> I can recreate the situation about 90% of the time. I'll take a picture of
>> >> >> it with my new digital camera.
>> >>
>> >> > If, in fact, it happens that often, it's 100% a hardware issue or a driver
>> >> > issue, not a Win2K issue. If it's something like IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL or
>> >> > PAGE_FAULT_IN_NONPAGED_AREA, it's definately a hardware issue.
>> >>
>> >> This may indeed be true, but then that would insinuate that the hardware is
>> >> only broken inside W2K, and NOT inside windows ME. (not to mention other
>operating
>> >> systems).
>>
>> > He said hardware or driver issue. Use logic. Given that the hardware is the same
>> > perhaps it would make sense to see if the same driver binaries are being used. I
>bet
>> > they're not. You never did post the bugcheck error. Was it
>IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL or
>> > PAGE_FAULT_IN_NONPAGED_AREA? Both are indicitive of a kernel driver defect. The
>same
>> > kind of kernel driver defects that can bring a Linux system down.
>>
>> No kidding. The same driver binaries are of course NOT being used, as ive tested
>> it across a variety of operating systems which are not completely binary compatable.
>>
>> The interesting bit here is that the NVIDIA W2K driver blows ass (as can be
>confirmed
>> by bugreports from NVIDIA themselves) and their windowsME driver (which is the same
>as
>> the win98 driver and has had more time to mature) is incredibly stable.
>>
>> The point that you seem to be missing is that im not attacking windows in particular
>> here.
> Fair enough. What W2K driver are you using? The Detonator3 or later?
Detonator3 for both platforms.
=====.
--
"It's natural to expect there might be people doing stupid things
with computers"
---Michael Vatis, director of the FBI's national infrastructure
protection center commenting on Y2K concerns about hacker attacks
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From: "Todd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Migration --> NT costing please :-)
Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 13:14:55 +0800
"Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:niPC5.25498$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> "A transfinite number of monkeys" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > On Wed, 04 Oct 2000 12:58:08 GMT,
> > Chad Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > : > 1) 2xNT4 or Window 2000 Server licenses to provide RAID1 on both
> computers.
> > :
> > : Windows 2000 professional will do all this.
> >
> > Don't read those license agreements much, do you? Win2k Pro is not to
be
> > used as a web server platform. You need to buck up at least $800 per
> > copy for Win2k Server.
>
> Who said that? What is Personal Web Server for, then? Check your licenses
> before you critize. Both PWS and IIS allow for any number of connections,
> but PWS's capabilities in terms of hosting multiple sites on multiple
ports
> and several other tasks are limited, but it'll serve up ASP and connect
> to a database just as well as IIS.
>
> > Hmm.. Since your "evidence" is anecdotal, I'll counter with an anecdote
of
> > my own. Here's our mail server at work:
>
> <SNIP: uptime reports>
>
> I wasn't trying to imply that Linux COULDN'T be stable, I was implying
> that Linux CAN be just as unstable as the Penguinistas seem to claim
> NT 4 is (weekly reboots, etc). Both CAN be stable in good installations
> and both CAN be unstable in bad installations.
>
> > : > Or more importantly, who really believes MS can sustain a lower TCO
if a
> > : > MS solution is indeed more attractive at this point in time?
> > :
> > : Everyone who has deployed an MS solution properly and is reaping the
> > : benefits.
> >
> > Like my friends who work at a large insurance company's data center down
> > the road here (in NJ)? Their standard operating procedure is to reboot
> > anything running NT or 2000 every Sunday night at 7:00PM.
>
> I said "properly". If they have to reboot more than once or twice a year,
> then they haven't install properly.
>
> > Their bluescreens have been cut by 2/3 since instituting weekly
reboots...
>
> If they've had more than one bluescreen a year, or more, then they
> haven't install properly. In fact, if they've ever had a bluescreen on
> a production system, then they haven't install properly.
>
> > They do "wacky" things like run Compaq Proliants with 100%
Compaq-sanctioned
> > hardware, with all of their "special" Windows installs (to accomodate
the
> Compaq
> > butchered hardware), and such crazy applications as SQL Server and
Exchange.
>
> It's obvious you're exaggerating here. All my boxes were Compaq and they
were
> far better than any other vendor (namely Dell) in every respect.
We use HP boxes... very nice and compatible with Windows 2000 and also
Linux. We've never had a hardware problem when running NT or 2000 on HP
NetServer boxes.
> Ironically, I've never had one bluescreen on any of my servers, all of
which
> have relatively heavy load (e.g. the smaller boxes have smaller loads than
> the larger boxes, but they have proprotinately equal loads).
When running NT, the boxes have been very stable. However, NT seems to
sometimes 'leak' memory. This sometimes forces a monthly or weekly reboot
for some applications.
However, our boxes running 2000 do not require this anymore. MS seems to
have fixed the NT memory leak problems.
Consequently, our IT guys are trying to get everybody upgraded to 2000
immediately. 2000 has a lot of other benefits over NT as well.
> Never had to reboot any of them except for physical relocation. Most of my
> boxes have >300 day uptimes. They would've had around ~480 day uptimes
> be we moved our offices about 480 days ago. Some of the other servers
> which have less uptime were only brought on recently, and haven't been
taken
> down since.
Depending on what the NT boxes were running, some never needed reboots.
However, our Lotus Domino servers with lots of data processing 'agents'
required a monthly reboot because of memory leaks, not because of stability
problems.
Again, 2000 solved this for us completely.
Actually, SP6 for NT cured most of the memory leaks... Before SP5 however...
-Todd
> This is a fact, there's no exaggeration. Likewise, I realize that Linux
> installations can have high uptimes as well.
>
> Both can have bad installations as I mentioned before, and as you
mentioned
> in this post.
>
> However, it takes someone with little or no knowledge of systems
administration
> to be able to hose a Compaq installation that hard to have to reboot often
> or have BSODs frequently. I suggest your friends find another line of
work.
>
> -Chad
>
>
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From: Mike Byrns <"mike.byrns"@technologist,.com>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: What kind of WinTroll Idiot are you anyway?
Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 05:17:35 GMT
"." wrote:
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Mike Byrns <"mike.byrns"@technologist,.com> wrote:
> > "." wrote:
>
> >> In comp.os.linux.advocacy MH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> > Anyone with any experience knows that you either have a hardware\driver
> >> > problem, or you're lying. Why perpetrate such BS? Does this help your
> >> > precious Linux? It only serves to denigrate the weight of any assertion you
> >> > make, relegating you to irrelevant. Get a clue.
> >>
> >> 1. I'm not lying.
>
> > OK. You need a new video driver.
>
> Actually I did one better, I traded W2K for windowsME. That driver works.
Even a Windows advocate will concede that Windows ME is reprehensibly bad compared to
Windows
2000. I think you should try a clean install of Windows 2000 and immediately install
the driver
from http://www.3dchipset.com/beta/nvidia/631/win2k.html
> >> 2. I gave my specs in detail, and the problem in moderate detail.
>
> > Why didn't you give the description of the problem in more than moderate detail?
>
> Because honestly, at the time I didnt feel like typing three pages worth of
>diagnostics,
> and I knew that other people had experienced the problem and was hoping that someone
> could be a bit enlightening as far as the exact cause.
Fair enough. I'm sorry. You know you can tell Windows 2000 to save that bugcheck in
a file
using the system control panel?
> > Were you
> > afraid the blame would fall on nVidia rather than Microsoft?
>
> I'm more than willing to blame NVIDIA for shitty driver, as has been shown in
> my previous posts. What I was trying to do here was narrow down the problem and
> hopefully, again, get some detail as to its specific cause.
Again -- consider the forum. Folks are always coming in here and looking for ways to
make
Windows look bad. Defensive is the norm :-)
> > Be aware that a broken
> > driver can crash Linux or Solaris just as easily as it can Windows 2000.
>
> Yes, I know that.
You are being much to polite considering how I let into you :-)
> >> 3. Its not my "precious" linux. If youd been paying attention, you would have
> >> seen that I dont particularly like linux any more than I like windows. My
> >> tastes go beyond both.
>
> > So you should understand that there are tradeoffs with both.
>
> I'm not the one arguing here.
I guess I should read your previous post instead of following the lead of <ahem>,
Who's more
the fool the fool or the fool that follows him? :-)
> > If you want performance you
> > cannot keep switching back and forth from kernel mode to user mode for every little
> > thing. Microkernel OSs are slow for that very reason. Speed or safety?
>
> Speed.
I agree.
> >> 5. The NVIDIA driver *may* be a problem, I never said this was impossible. I just
> >> find it interesting that the W2K version of their driver would therefore be
>less
> >> stable than their windows ME version.
>
> > Even though it's less mature code that's been through about a tenth the iterative
> > development and compatibility testing as the Windows 9x driver?
>
> Yes. I didnt say that I found it pathetic, I said that I found it interesting.
I'm not having trouble with 6.31. Of course I wasn't having trouble with the released
Det3's
either...
> >> And beyond that, (for a little added detail)
> >> it is only *one* winamp 3d visualization which causes this problem. The rest
>work
> >> almost unbelievably well.
>
> > Have you written the developer or are you just going to hope it gets fixed
>sometime?
>
> I sent an email to NVIDIA support and apparantly this problem *could* be
>representative
> of a known W2K driver bug. They need more details.
>
> >> 6. Shut the fuck up, you stupid asshole.
>
> > My wife calls these advocacy newsgroups the "nerdboy size-offs". She's got a
>wicked sense
> > of humor. She claims that no matter how smart a bunch of guys you take you'll
>always end
> > up having their discussions end up on who's got the bigger dick, turbocharger, win
>record
> > or uptime. I think she's right.
>
> I think shes right too. My dick is indeed quite, quite large.
Don't tell her that... :-)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes
Date: 5 Oct 2000 05:19:45 GMT
On Thu, 05 Oct 2000 04:17:07 GMT, Chad Myers wrote:
>
>There are welfare recipients who have been collecting checks for years.
>They increase their income, some of which are:
>
>- having more children
This is legal but questionable.
>- pulling food stamp scams for more cash to gamble with
Illegal, probably fraud.
>- feigning disability to collect disability on top of their welfare
This is social security fraud, and it's a criminal offense.
>- selling drugs or other illegal products
Clearly a criminal offense.
My point is that a lot of the things you're complaining about are wrong,
should be criminalised, and most importantly, are criminalised.
>Several children had health problems that were not being taken
>care of because the parents couldn't afford health care because
IMO, the current health care system is badly broken. The problem is
that it's employer based, and health insurance for individuals is too
expensive to be practical. Still, I don't think better health care will
cure negligent parents.
>Make no bones, these people had been on welfare almost their
>whole life and had figured out ways to keep the checks coming
Welfare reform has cut the rolls in half.
>and would sometimes purposely wound themselves in minor ways
>to scam a disability check. These people are lower than
>criminals.
Well, they are criminals. Though you could argue that they are lower than
other criminals.
--
Donovan
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From: Mike Byrns <"mike.byrns"@technologist,.com>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: What kind of WinTroll Idiot are you anyway?
Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 05:23:37 GMT
"." wrote:
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Mike Byrns <"mike.byrns"@technologist,.com> wrote:
> > "." wrote:
>
> >> In comp.os.linux.advocacy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >> > I have the exact opposite experience, in that Win98Se doesn't drop a
> >> > note but XMMS is always stalling and in addition if I have XMMS
> >> > already started I can't start Wine->Agent which just hangs the machine
> >> > until I close XMMS at which point Agent (under Wine) starts and I can
> >> > now restart XMMS...
> >>
> >> Do you have DMA IDE drives? If so, use hdparm to turn on DMA, and your
> >> skipping problems will very likely be solved.
>
> > How's gramma supposed to figure that out.
>
> Grammas gonna type "man hdparm" and look at a very nicely written troff.
Gramma's gonna call me and have me install that nice old Windows 2000 that she's
been running since it's release. :-) She's got a picture of Bill Clinton's dog
on her desktop. I asked her how the hell she got that. She sent an email to
him on some issue (Gramma doesn't understand that you don't just email the
President :-) and metioned something about his dog. Some nice staffer sent her
a pic of it and she figured out all by herself (well almost, I told her to click
the right mouse button on something to see what you can do with it when I setup
Windows for her a few years ago) how to make it her desktop picture. She
thought nothing of it. It just did what she wanted right from the email...
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From: Mike Byrns <"mike.byrns"@technologist,.com>
Subject: Re: What kind of WinTroll Idiot are you anyway?
Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 05:24:12 GMT
"David M. Butler" wrote:
> Mike Byrns wrote:
>
> > How's gramma supposed to figure that out. Linux is just NOT ready for the
> > desktop folks.
>
> Well, considering "gramma" would likely not be the one installing the OS,
> I would assume someone else would have typed it. If not, they shouldn't be
> assembling a system for "gramma".
Again. Linux is not ready for the desktop.
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