Linux-Advocacy Digest #587, Volume #29 Tue, 10 Oct 00 23:13:05 EDT
Contents:
Re: The Power of the Future! (Dolly)
Re: Linux and Free Internet? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Linux Sucks ("Ingemar Lundin")
Re: Why is MS copying Sun??? (Darin Johnson)
Re: Blatant anti-MS trolling... ("Todd")
Re: Linux Out perfoms Windows ("Todd")
Re: Legal issues - Re: Linux DVD player! (R.E.Ballard ( Rex Ballard ))
Re: Open lettor to CommyLinux Commy's, and all other commy's to. ("Todd")
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Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 13:13:17 -0400
From: Dolly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: The Power of the Future!
Chad Myers wrote:
>
> "Dolly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Chad Myers wrote:
> > >
> > > "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:BewE5.28074$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > >
> > > > "Dolly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > > dc wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Mon, 09 Oct 2000 20:36:03 -0400, Dolly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >It took till Win2K for MS to "borrow" an almost complete
> > > > > > >TCP stack. They still didnt get it right. They also still
> > > > > > >seem to have bound NetBIOS to port 139... how weird. Just
> > > > > > >gotta send it the right commands and it suddenly responds.
> > > > > > >Or just leave that 2K box on long enough for MS to start
> > > > > > >sending you messages about updates you need.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Duh - turn it off. It's not rocket science.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Hmmm... how about they dont go around invading
> > > > > people's privacy to see what is and isnt
> > > > > running on their systems? Even better huh?
> > > >
> > >
> > > <SNIP: Me talking about something different>
> > >
> > > Sorry, I got mixed up and though you were talking about
> > > the Windows Update, which has been the topic of previous
> > > threads.
> > >
> > > What exact privacy problems are you referring to?
> > >
> > > -Chad
>
> <SNIP: false claims about NetBIOS leaving the port open>
>
> On Windows 2000, right click on "My Network Places",
> Properties.
>
> Right click on your LAN connection, Properties.
>
> Uncheck "Client for Microsoft Networks"
>
> Dbl-Click on Internet Protocol (TCP/IP), Advanced, WINS
> tab, select "Disable NetBIOS over TCP/IP".
>
> Hit OK a few times to go back to the desktop.
>
> Go to another box (of any OS) and telnet (Win2K box) 139
>
> Your connection will be refused. No NetBIOS problem.
>
> You lie Dolly. Please stick to the truth.
>
> -Chad
Really? You think so? Why doesnt that work in Win9X?
Why does OOB data still crash it? And do you think
that with the "faulty" checkbox in 9X, that it was
really changed under W2K to finally work? Try my test.
Or just read the net.
Well, I do concede... it was a beta of W2K that
my test worked on... perhaps they finally figured
out how to make a checkbox work since then...
Dolly
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Linux and Free Internet?
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 01:56:57 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> spoke thusly:
> >In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > "Mike" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Colin R. Day"
> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Mike wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Netzero makes a linux client
> >> >
> >> > Interesting, as a search with "Linux" at Netzero's
> >> > site produced 0 matches. Also, Netzero claims to
> >> > only support Windows, with Mac support to come later.
> >> >
> >> > www.netzero.net
> >> >
> >> > Colin Day
> >> >
> >>
> >> Hmmm, maybe its just vaporware.
> >>
> >> I based my statement on this article.
> >> http://www.internetnews.com/isp-news/article/0,,8_403361,00.html
> >>
> >> and this one
> >>
>
>http://industry.java.sun.com/javanews/stories/story2/0,1072,27296,00.ht
m
> >l
> >>
> >> I've never used the service personally.
> >
> >Apparently NetZero LIED when it said it was producing a Linux
version.
> >
> >I received this E-mail from their support staff:
> >
> >==========================
> >
> >Dear Valued Customer,
> >
> >Thank-you for your inquiry regarding a Linux version of NetZero.
> >
> >Unix and other operating systems are not under development, nor do we
> >have immediate plans to begin software development for these systems.
> >
> >==========================
> >
> >So apparently the entire press release was a hoax, designed to
increase
> >interest in their company by hopping on the bandwagon of "Linux
> >supporters" while refraining from any real "Linux support".
>
> I'll add them to my 'list of bad Linux supporters' along
> with InterVideo.
>
> Intervideo was the company that was claiming to make a
> 'legal' DVD player for Linux (and the one that the MPAA
> was using to claim that DeCSS wasn't necissary for
> watching DVDs on 'other' operating systems). Nearly eight
> months after their initial announcement and they have
> burried the press release and have absolutely nothing but
> 'get WinDVD here' type of links on their site.
>
> I would bet by the end of the year they will say the same
> thing NetZero is saying now. Especially if the entire
> appeals process has run it's course in the DeCSS trial.
Since this posting I have discovered that NetZero will
have a Linux version of its software ready...for inclusion
into a new Network Computer being built by some other
major company. No news on whether this version will
run on other versions of Linux.
So MAYBE they aren't a "bad Linux supporter".
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Before you buy.
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From: "Ingemar Lundin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux Sucks
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 02:23:32 GMT
"Steve Mading" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> skrev i meddelandet
news:8s06pu$nec$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> : You guys are all so out of your minds it's incredible. Whatever the
> : semantics involved (ie:Linux is the kernel), it is a fact that Linux
> : is trying to compete with Windows for the desktop simply by virtue of
> : the number of Windows program look a likes as well as kde and Gnome.
>
> Why assume that anything with a titlebar and a rectangle is an imitation
> of Windows? That's really ignorant. By that logic, Windows is just
> an imitation of a Mac. (And incedentally, the themes in kde and
> gnome allow it to look like just about anything - Windows, Mac,
> Nextstep, etc. To say that it is a Windows look-alike in light of
> this is pure ignorance.)
and that is exactly what hardcore linux geeks are saying...
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Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.arch,comp.os.netware.misc,comp.protocols.tcp-ip,comp.lang.java.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why is MS copying Sun???
From: Darin Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 02:36:42 GMT
Gary Hallock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> From what I have heard, Win4Lin is quite good. It is similar to
> Vmware, but cheaper (I think about $40). It's not the same, though, as
> Wine. Both Win4Lin and Vmare allow you to boot up Windows under Linux
> rather than implementing the Win32 API. You still need copy of Windows
> for Win4Lin and Vmware.
And you really need a copy of Windows to run WINE properly too,
because most Windows apps rely on a few more DLL's and OLE objects
than what is properly "Win32".
So the advantage is that you get a more robust product, the drawback
is that you may not be able to do more with it than Windows itself
does (better registry handling, sharing cut buffers with X, having
MAPI use sendmail, etc).
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From: "Todd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Blatant anti-MS trolling...
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 10:52:40 +0800
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8s059u$tsh$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> You know what pisses me off?
>
> The hotmail server that has my email account is down. (Guess they're
> switching back to BSD or whatever.) Anyway, it hasn't been able to let
> me in for almost two hours now.
Funny... MSN Messenger and Hotmail have always let me in... never had
problems yet.
> I've gotten three different error messages because of it.
>
> I click on the "Problems signing in?" link.
>
> I get three possibilities, all of which are client-side symptoms which
> politely ask, "Are you sure you're not a moron who's never used the
> internet before?"
>
> Not once is there mentioned the fact that Hotmail just goes batshit
> every now and then. Even Netscape WebMail is better than this.
The really funny thing is, WHY are you using Hotmail then?? You come in
here in a Linux advocacy group, whining about Hotmail. Hotmail is a *FREE*
service. You *CHOOSE* to use it. If *YOU* don't like it, then *YOU* can
*CHOOSE* to use something *ELSE*!
Ok, is that clear? :)
> Rant mode = off. Thank you for your patience.
I believe your real intention is simply to lie about Hotmail performance
once it changed to Windows 2000. I haven't even noticed a difference. I
use Hotmail *all* of the time.
If you wanted a reliable email service, then you would have done so already
and not complain and whine about Hotmail. Otherwise, you are probably just
a troll.
-Todd
> -ws
>
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.
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From: "Todd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux Out perfoms Windows
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 10:58:51 +0800
Hi,
Many real world benchmarks have already been done with regards to Linux and
Windows 2000.
Windows 2000 has shown itself to outperform Linux is almost every benchmark.
Even Linux' traditional strong points such as OpenGL performance is
outclassed by Windows 2000.
I doubt your simple 'for-next' benchmark is an accurate indication of the
performance differences. You didn't even specify what kind of platform you
are running on!
Even motherboard differences can give an edge in performance. A 'real'
benchmark needs to be done on the exact same hardware. ie... the same box.
-Todd
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8s054h$5jh$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> HI,
>
> If you are a c++ programmer, then try this program both on windows and on
> linux and observe the time taken to display 1,00,000 numbers
>
>
> #include <iostream.h>
> main()
> {
> for(int i=0; i<=100000; i++)
> cout << i <<endl;
> return 0;
> }
>
> What I get is 5 seconds on Linux 2.2 and it takes 2.30 minutes to show all
> the
> 100000 numbers.
>
> Yours Truly,
> Rizwaan
>
>
>
>
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From: R.E.Ballard ( Rex Ballard ) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Legal issues - Re: Linux DVD player!
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 02:46:35 GMT
In article <8rupti$rmi$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Stuart Fox" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> "R.E.Ballard ( Rex Ballard )" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:8rtr5m$1bn$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> >
> > Unfortunately, the MPAA is doing everything
> > they can to prevent this
> > thing from coming to market.
> > Furthermore, they are allowing Microsoft
> > to do exactly what they are trying to prevent LinDVD and DeCSS from
> > doing.
> >
> Rex
>
> You've posted this many times before,
> and have yet to provide any evidence
> to your claim.
Here is a bit more information:
Visit:
http://www.dvdcca.org/
http://www.dvdcca.org/dvdcca/data/pres/cptwg_20000615.pdf
Not exactly a democratic origanization:
The governing board with the authority to enforce all DVD-CSS licenses
and all claims against DVD-CSS infringment is actually the license
management corporation (LLC). Not publicly held, not subject to
stockholder review.
The entire governing body consists of 6 voting members:
Two content owners - (MPAA?).
Two Software companies (Microsoft and ?).
Two from the Consumer electroncs Industry (Sony and ?).
Furthermore, any "Nay" votes to a motion (such as a waiver or
exception) automatically kills the motion.
Put even more simply, 6 people control what 6 billion people can
see in terms of motion picture entertainment. Since the players
won't play unencrypted video, all film makers must become members.
Since unencrypted video won't be available, all player makers must
become members.
Furthermore, since the license seems to cover not only the decoder
software/hardware, but also the content itself, even if the the DVD-CCA
was unable to prove that DeCSS was engineered from information obtained
from a licensee, the content itself would be subject to the license.
Put simply, anyone who plays a DVD using an unlicensed decoder is
committing a felony. This is nearly identical to the terms of the
Microsoft content formats. Once a document has been created with
Microsoft software, it can only be legally read by Microsoft licensed
software.
Microsoft has never successfully tested their "shrink-wrapped content
format license" in federal court, but is now attempting to let the MPAA
and DVD-CCA do it for them.
In fact, the source code to DeCSS was published in full text, in the
court records (making the source code itself public domain), but the
DVD-CCA claims that it has the right to enforce it's licenses based
on the fact that the media being played was licensed, making it illegal
to decode the licensed content.
Even the licencing information in not available until you
register yourself (making you subject to all DVD-CCA restrictions).
This is the very issue that caused the creation of the GNU manefesto
in the first place. By appealing to the media industry to use it's
power and resources, Microsoft is hoping to give itself the ultimate
control of the internet. Should the DVD-CCA succeed in getting a
permanent injunction against the web sites, and criminal convictions
of the makers of LiVID, Microsoft would then have the right to
shut down every site that links to a sight that publishes Microsoft
formats (presumably including dialects of XML) using anything other
than a Microsoft licensed server.
Essentially, the DVD-CCA is fighting for the ultimate form of
censorship. They are fighting for the right to let 6 companies
shut down the Internet and take monopolistic control.
Since no site could be sure that it was linking to a "kosher" site,
and any link could result in civil and criminal penalties, no one
would dare to link to anyone elses site.
Obviously, there are some alternatives. The simplest would be to simply
adopt unencrypted MPEG2, embed digital watermarks into the video that
would be invisible to pirates and players but still allowed piracy
tracking. Another would be to create a different, but more democratic
control system using popular well-known standards that would provide a
tighter connection between the player and the publisher (each disk has a
unique serial number and key and the key must be obtained from the
publisher), obviously, if the publisher keeps seeing the same serial
number requested from numerous different places, there is reason to
"check it out".
One of the biggest problems that the motion picture industry now has to
deal with is that in much the same way that anyone with a scanner and a
web hosting account can become a publisher, anyone with a camcorder and
a video editing system (now available under both Linux and Windows ME),
can become a video producer.
There are now over 20 million web sites, and about 1/3 of them are very
active and filled with content (about 1/2 are registrations made by
speculators).
> I would be interested to see your answers to these
> questions:
> 1. What exactly is Microsoft doing to prevent a Linux DVD player?
> 2. How are they going about this - what channels?
> 3. What evidence is there?
http://www.dvdcca.org/dvdcca/faq.html
This FAQ reminds me of dialogues with Don Black. For about 4 months
he wrote of how the poor and uneducated in this country were having
so many children and the wealthy and educated were having so few, that
eventually, unless something were done, civilization would collapse.
It almost made sense, until he began suggesting that the solution was
compulsory sterilization of the poor and uneducated. It began sounding
a bit too right wing.
A few days after he posted this "ultimate solution", he appeard on
the Sally Jessie Rafael show, as the Grand Dragon of the Klu Klux Klan.
Notice that License Management Internation (LLC) controls the
licensing of critical DVD technology, and Digital Transmission
technology.
This one DOES include some licensing information:
http://www.dtcp.com/data/adopter_agreement.pdf
Of course, maybe they're really "nice guys" (or wise guys) who
want to simplify our lives (by taking control of media content
through these licenses), and protect us from unsavory influences
(competitors to the sponsor organizations). Notice that the NAMES
of the board members haven't been listed. TRUST ME they're a great
bunch of guys, and have only been convicted of a few federal crimes :-).
And by the way, they also want control of radio, television, and music
as well.
http://www.dvdcca.org/4centity/
> Cheers
>
> Stu
Sweet Dreams :-)
--
Rex Ballard - I/T Architect, MIS Director
Linux Advocate, Internet Pioneer
http://www.open4success.com
Linux - 50 million satisfied users worldwide
and growing at over 5%/month! (recalibrated 8/2/00)
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: "Todd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Open lettor to CommyLinux Commy's, and all other commy's to.
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 11:03:58 +0800
"David M. Butler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Todd wrote:
>
> > Not unless Tim is a hard-core Christian. Those idiots actually believe
> > the earth *was* created only 10,000 years ago.
>
> Not to start a religion war or anything, but you know what I've always
> wondered? Why is it so hard to believe that a book (the bible), that even
> says within that it was written by MAN, not GOD, would contain metaphors?
I'm sure the bible contains many things, including metaphors.
> Considering it also says something to the effect of a thousand years being
> like a second to God (or a million, or something). Would not then 7 days
> be a metaphor for 7 periods of time? Eh?
I don't recall any portion of the bible that says this. Do you have a
location? URL? :)
Besides, personally, I don't even think the bible is of the word of God or
whatever. My favorite time was just before the year 2000, when all of the
crazy lunatic apocalyptic christians were waiting for Christ to visit... he
never came for them.
Not that I don't believe in God. But religion does us more bad than good.
Better to teach spirituality and not a religion. Oh well. Enough of this
thread unless you want the last word :)
-Todd
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