Linux-Advocacy Digest #717, Volume #29 Wed, 18 Oct 00 01:13:04 EDT
Contents:
Re: Why is MS copying Sun??? ("Simon Cooke")
Re: Blatant anti-MS trolling... ("Bobby D. Bryant")
Re: KDE starting to stress out a little? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Astroturfing ("ostracus")
Re: Why is MS copying Sun??? ("Les Mikesell")
Re: Why is MS copying Sun??? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Why is MS copying Sun??? (Mike Byrns)
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
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From: "Simon Cooke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.arch,alt.conspiracy.area51,comp.os.netware.misc,comp.protocols.tcp-ip,comp.lang.java.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why is MS copying Sun???
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 21:09:23 -0700
"John Lockwood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Tue, 17 Oct 2000 23:11:43 GMT, @..@ wrote:
>
> >Netware??? What the hell does that have to do with area 51?
>
> Where do you think networking comes from? Why do you think there was
> such a push for CNEs ten or twelve years ago -- this was recruitment
> for people to go to the home world to feed the alien overlords.
CNE, of course, being "Certified Novell Extraterrestrial"
Simon
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From: "Bobby D. Bryant" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Blatant anti-MS trolling...
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 22:11:36 -0500
"R.E.Ballard ( Rex Ballard )" wrote:
> In article <8s059u$tsh$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > You know what pisses me off?
> >
> > The hotmail server that has my email account is down. (Guess they're
> > switching back to BSD or whatever.) Anyway, it hasn't been able to let
> > me in for almost two hours now.
>
> Are they really switching back to BSD? Drestin, do you know
> about this?
Netcraft reported the switch to W2K, but then retracted the following month
when people pointed out that only some of the front-end servers had been
converted. Others were still visibly running BSD. No one seems to know
what's running on the back end these days.
> > Not once is there mentioned the fact that Hotmail just goes batshit
> > every now and then. Even Netscape WebMail is better than this.
>
> Keep in mind that, for Hotmail, this is a new experience. In fact,
> the outage even made the CNBC morning show. It's normally very
> unusual for hotmail to experience an outage.
Not. They had a 10-day outage for a very small fraction of their customers
last summer. Some of the customers apparently lost their accounts
irrecoverably. It was in the tech news for a week or so, but I never saw a
followup explaining what had happened.
Irrecoverable data means no backups. My personal inclination is to view
Hotmail's problems as operational rather than technical. I.e., it hints
that they run a sloppy shop, but it tells us nothing about the pros and
cons of the various operating systems that may or may not be involved.
Bobby Bryant
Austin, Texas
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: KDE starting to stress out a little?
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 00:18:14 -0400
"R.E.Ballard ( Rex Ballard )" wrote:
>
> In article <8sicr8$93u$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > Check this out:
> >
> > http://dot.kde.org/971680096/
> >
> > With all of the KDE vs GNome stuff going on, and with all the added
> > corporate pressures these days, I was starting to wonder if the "Meet
> > the folks behind KDE" articles that had been going on lately were part
> > of a PR response (along with GPLing everything, trying to get KOffice
> > out in time to match OpenOffice, etc.). Is the stress starting to
> > affect these guys, you think?
>
> Actually, what makes the whole Open Source thing so interesting is that
> it actually functions far more effeciently as a "virtual organization"
> than most privately held companies. There aren't many places where
> you can manage tens of thousands or contributors with only 4-5 tiers
> of management and minimal "hard" resources.
>
That's because on the production side of Linux, the usual issues
of budget wars, fiefdom building, etc. are gone. There's no
prestigious corner offices to be garnered, etc. Nope...the only
way to make one's way in the world of Linux development is to
PRODUCE....(the pay-off coming in the prestige which helps you get
better jobs in other work, say, with mainline Unix vendors).
Also, the other clutter, like Human Resources, Compliance, Accounting,
and other dead-weight departments are gone...so that the various
tiers of Linux development can focus SOLELY upon Linux development,
rather than worrying about Affirmative Action meetings, the
ubiquitous United Way drive, and other meaningless distractions.
> > Maybe a KDE Foundation is in order to start adding some internal
> > infrastructure (management, office assistants, etc.) to help the
> > programmers out a little. Just so long as management doesn't take over
> > (grin)...
>
> This has always been the concern. Who would you have running the
> show? On one end of the spectrum, you have Richard Stallman who
> is essentially homeless and at the other you have Bill Gates who
> wants to purchase all intellectual property rights on earth by
> the time he's 60.
>
> Ironically, each has a key role. Without Richard Stallman standing
> as the guardian of the GPL, you would have Microsoft doing to all
> open source, exactly what it did to NCSA and Mosaic (Internet Explorer).
> You'd have hundreds of little meglamaniacs doing "emprace/extend" much
> the way UNIX vendors tried to make market coups by adding a unique
> "1% of 1%" that made their flavor "better" than the others.
>
> Without Bill Gates, you'd have no "bad guy" to unite against. You'd
> suddenly have everybody pointing at each other in the classic "mexican
> stand off" where the first guy who pulls the trigger is guaranteed to
> die.
>
> > Meanwhile, still waiting for GNUstep to take over the
> > world after these two giants destroy each other...
>
> I don't think anybody is going to "take over the world". It'll be
> more of a "cooperative republic" or "democratic anarchy". The GNU
> manefesto contains the warning against attempts to control the conduit
> of intellectual property. Whether it's DVD-CSS or Microsoft Word,
> such "exclusions by contract" threaten not only the reader/viewer, but
> also the publisher's access to his market.
>
> How long would it have been before the DVD-CCA began demanding a 2%,
> or even a 15% "royalty" for the continued "protection" of video
> products? Perhaps a year?
Much like...the US income tax. The *TOP* rate was 6% in 1914.
When was the last time that any US Federal income tax bracket was
that low?
>
> Conversely, RSA and LZW/GIF were adopted even in the face of patent
> royalties because the royalties were reasonable, the algorythms could
> be trusted not to change, and the exchange of information could be
> universal.
>
> By the same token, when the terms were too extraordinary, it wasn't
> that hard for students and hackers to create original new alternatives
> such as PGP and gzip.
>
> Ironically, it's likely that what will really drive the demand
> for Linux is the shortage of talent. Linux/UNIX requires less
> maintainance, less support, and less development time (for
> custom applications) than most comparable Windows NT solutions.
>
> > -ws
> >
> > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> > Before you buy.
> >
>
> --
> Rex Ballard - I/T Architect, MIS Director
> Linux Advocate, Internet Pioneer
> http://www.open4success.com
> Linux - 50 million satisfied users worldwide
> and growing at over 5%/month! (recalibrated 8/2/00)
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
http://directedfire.com/greatgungiveaway/directedfire.referrer.fcgi?2632
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "ostracus" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Astroturfing
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 23:15:01 +0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>So then the indicators of this would be number of users stagnating or
>>lowering. Because of such then companies would either be pulling out of
>>the market, or not entering it, correct so far?
>
>
> Linux is dying on the desktop. It never even got started. It is a has
> been before it even has been a babe.
>
>>So do you know if the above is happening? Care to give examples?
>>
>>I await your answer.
>
> Ask 1000 people at random on the corner of Wall Street and Broadway what
> they are running on their desktops and see what they say.
>
> A major University in NYC actually did a similar study and the results
> were less than overwhelming for Linux. In fact quite a number of re
> spondee's wrote in on the ballet "What is Linux"?
>
> I think that says it all.
>
> You think you are going to sell Linux to Pig Farmers in South Dakota?
>
> claire
>
Well let's see. To illustrate the problem with your post. Assume that in
an alternate reality BeOS is in the same position as Windows (niches and
all). Now I'm the CEO of a major company and your my technology manager.
Windows is the newbie on the block. Now I'm hearing about this "windows"
thing thru the usual channels. But your not all that "hopeful" about it's
prospects (you doubting thomas you :). Do you think I should not even
consider this up and coming I hear, OS based on the reply you just gave
me? If so what does that say about my abilities as a CEO?
Second a "newspaper" style poll? Really! I guess my company will at least
stick with the dominant OS. Shame that windows thing looked interesting
too.
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From: "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.lang.java.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why is MS copying Sun???
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 04:20:49 GMT
"JS/PL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> I particularly like this quote:
>
> "Janet Reno may save me 20 bucks on Windows, but what about the 20
thousand
> she lost me in my 401k?"
> Michael Miller of Technology Investment Newsletter, ABC Evening News, June
7
Perhaps you've forgotten, but in earlier years there were other software
companies too. We should have at least as much sympathy for them....
> All the other pro-ms quotes are here:
> http://quotes.dynip.com/
And not a shred of understanding of what's been lost in the whole mess.
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.lang.java.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why is MS copying Sun???
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 00:21:17 -0400
Simon Cooke wrote:
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Wrong... .*I* called you dishonest.
> >
> > Either that, or deliberatly uninformed (which is the same thing).
>
> Read the thread for context - Max did as well (partly by agreeing with you).
>
> You still haven't commented on that claim you made about an SGI box that
> could handle 800Gb transfers.
I posted the fucking URLs to SGI's stats.
As I said...you *DECIDE* to stay ignorant of the truth.
That is...DELIBERATELY UNINFORMED.
Which is the same as lying, in my book.
>
> You were being dishonest there. Or you were pathetically uninformed.
>
> Simon
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
http://directedfire.com/greatgungiveaway/directedfire.referrer.fcgi?2632
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 00:22:57 -0400
Static66 wrote:
>
> On Sun, 15 Oct 2000 00:59:27 GMT, Loren Petrich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> >In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Static66
> ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >> Furthermore you have illustrated nicely (by leaving him the cans) what
> >> I said earlier in the thread to the idiot loren. Americans are
> >> generous people and help should be provided to those in genuine need
> >> of assistance at the community level.
> >
> > However, they have not been able to spend very much on him, while
> >Mr. Static66's beloved rich people have not spent a cent on him.
>
> Stop with your idiotic "class" arguments.
>
> Just how modest is your life communist ??
>
> Do you have things beyond your basic needs??
>
> I think that by your logic (misguided belief that anything in LIFE is
> "fair") you should be surrendering your possessions to the state. You
> would hate to "rich" while there are so many "suffering".
>
> You think the government should be penalizing those who succeed. What
> have you done for the "poor". I'm just dying to know.
He writes his worthless diatribes on a regular basis.
Oh, and he expects the poor garbageman to haul away his shit because
far be it from him to haul his own trash to the dump.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
http://directedfire.com/greatgungiveaway/directedfire.referrer.fcgi?2632
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: Mike Byrns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.lang.java.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why is MS copying Sun???
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 04:24:23 GMT
Weevil wrote:
> Mike Byrns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > > I bought an Amiga in 1985. That was in the days when Microsoft
> advocates,
> > > stuck as they were with DOS 3.3 or some such, scoffed at the
> touchy-feely
> > > GUI of Amigas, Macs, and Atari STs. No real productivity could ever be
> > > achieved with those mouse things, they said. And who needed
> multitasking?
> > > Why would anybody ever need to run more than one program at a time, for
> > > god's sakes? And of course, 640k ram was enough for anybody.
> >
> > These groups weren't around then. Where did you see verifiable data on
> this
> > that you can post? Andecdotal.
>
> Where did I see verifiable data? On my desk at home. I see no way of
> posting my desk to the newsgroup for you, though. Sorry.
>
> I understand that Microsoft likes for its worshipers to believe that they
> invented everything, but yours is a pretty extreme case, Mike. Yes, these
> advanced systems really did exist, and were being sold, in 1985.
I owned a A500 you twit.
> The Amiga
> was an engineering wonder. It multi-tasked in 256k of RAM. You couldn't do
> much more than open a few windows and watch independently rotating cubes
> with only 256k, though, so most people upgraded to 512k. With half a meg of
> memory, it really shined.
And when you compare it to Windows 2000 it doesn't. I agree it was the geek du
jour of the 80's along with the ST but it was not anywhere near what you folks
try to remember it as.
> In 1985, I was sent by my employer to attend a 12-week school on real-time
> process control software given by a company in Houston. This company had
> nothing but Macs in their offices. I had been hearing about them for some
> time, but this was the first time I'd actually seen one. Extremely
> impressive, even though the ones they had were only in black and white. I
> don't know when color was introduced in Macs.
MacII. 1987.
> As for Atari STs, I don't really know if they existed in 1985. Maybe not.
> I just sort lumped them in because they, like the other two, ran on Motorola
> 68000 chips and were much superior to Microsoft's offerings.
Microsoft did not offer computers. And Microsoft did write extensively for the
Mac. They were the first registered Mac developer, IIRC. I know they produced
the MicroSoft SoftCard for the Apple ][ in 1978. It was a hardware software
bundle that allowed the ][ to use CP/M.
> STs might not
> have been introduced for another year or two, but they were definitely
> around in the mid to late 80s.
1985. http://www.atari-history.com/computers/16bits/520st.html
> Mike, this is all verifiable stuff. Perhaps you are only familiar with The
> World According to Bill, but not even he can erase *this* much history.
Listen. I only asked you to post proof that "Microsoft advocates scoffed at GUI
of Amigas, Macs, and Atari STs. No real productivity could ever be achieved
with those mouse things, they said. And who needed
multitasking? Why would anybody ever need to run more than one program at a
time, for god's sakes? And of course, 640k ram was enough for anybody."
Neither COMA nor COMNA existed then. I was asking you to provide a link to
prove those comments were made. I remeber being jealous of those cool graphical
toy computers. But my PC was so much faster and I multitasked quite nicely with
DesqView and Sidekick. When I saw Windows for the first time in 1987 I wasn't
terribly impressed. DesqView was still better even though Windows had been out
for over a year. http://www.lowendmac.com/time/1981-85.shtml.
By 1990 though, all that changed when I got Windows 3.0. I dumped DesqView and
started learning to write Windows programs because there weren't many out there.
>Yes, advanced, GUI-based multi-tasking operating systems, were on
>the market in 1985, while Microsoft's latest was DOS 3.3 (or was it
>2.0?).
Yes, DOS 3.3 and Windows 1.0. They were also working on the OS/2 PM at that
time too.
> I'm sorry you've been misled so badly.
I'm sorry you are so condescending.
> > > be hard to come by. My Amiga was stolen 3 years later. I still miss
> it.
> >
> > I miss mine too. Too bad it died over 10 years ago. I got a 386 after
> that and
> > never looked back. Why? Windows 3.0 was better in many ways than Amiga
> or Mac
> > of the time.
>
> If you say so. Don't be surprised if the only people who agree with you are
> your fellow MS worshippers.
Oh, you mean the 25 million other folks that thought just what I did and bought
it between 1990 and 1993? In just three years Microsoft Windows went from
virtually no Windows users to 25 million. That's 2.5 times more users than
Apple had in 1993 and Apple had been shipping Mac System software since 1984.
Doing 2.5 times better than the competition in about a third of the time just
shows how many folks thought it was good.
http://www.lowendmac.com/time/1991-95.shtml
> > Then Windows 95 came out and you all stuffed hat. Then you
> > started bellyaching about how Windows ripped you off. Sad.
>
> Windows 95 came out in what, 1995? You do know that it was just Windows 4.0
> and DOS 7.0 bolted together, don't you?
On the contrary, it is a 32-bit protected memory pre-emptive multitasking
consumer OS. It boots from the DOS bootloader but when it loads it takes over
control from the DOS subsystem and it every bit it's own OS. Windows 3.1 did
the same thing only it still used 16-bit addressing and used cooperative
multitasking.
> Win95 was basically a
> graphics-based task switcher that sat on top of DOS. Still not up to Amiga
> standards, 10 years after Amigas first appeared.
Amiga was a graphics based task switcher too. All GUIs are. Whether those
tasks are GUI tasks or CLI tasks is the same in Amiga or Windows. Windows
booted DOS strictly for compatibility. When you have 100 million users you need
to address compatibility with legacy apps for rapid adoption.
> Ten years is a really long time in the computer world. When you see people
> saying that Microsoft has stifled innovation to the point of holding it back
> 10 or 15 years, it's because those people saw them do it firsthand.
They did no such thing. The competition could have easily done as well had they
worked as hard.
> <snip>
> > > What happened after that is what has been thrashed around the court
> system
> > > for so many years. Microsoft has parted with hundreds of millions,
> maybe
> > > billions of dollars in fines and out of court settlements for their
> actions.
> >
> > Post the link troll.
>
> No link is necessary, Mike. One public case is sufficient. They settled
> out of court with Caldera for an undisclosed settlement. The amount was
> never made public, but the most leaked number has been $275 million dollars.
>
> Sorry, I can't post proof of this. I'm not a magician.
Leaked numbers are not sufficient. DR-DOS was not supported by Microsoft. The
error message warned that Windows might not work correctly running on it. There
was nothing wrong with that.
> > > > > > Just face it folks.
> > > > > > Windows is where it's at today because it's better at what people
> want
> > > to
> > > > > do
> > > > > > with their computers.
> > > > >
> > > > > Well, no, it's not. It's where it's at today because Microsoft
> forces
> > > it on
> > > > > people.
> >
> > How?
>
> Wow, you never get tired of it, do you? Don't you ever get embarassed? I
> mean, you spend a lot of time calling people liars and demanding they post
> proof of something that is in the public record for anyone to see.
But when you assert you must show proof. Standard debate rules. The "public
record" shows litigation against Microsoft. It also shows that findings have
been overturned in virtually ever case. The fact that the Supreme Court
rejected the case indicates that history will probably repeat itself and
Microsoft will be absolved.
> Usually,
> they post that proof, only to find you in another thread somewhere doing the
> same thing, having abandoned the first thread.
Really? When I "abandon" a thread it's usually because I've made my point or am
simply too busy to respond any longer and don't see the value in trying to go
back and post replies to all the posts that have been made since. There will be
other battles :-) It's who wins the war...
> Doesn't it embarass you to be proven wrong over and over? I know your first
> reaction here is to say, "Where have I EVER been proven wrong? Post proof,
> liar!!!"
Virtually every poster here has eaten his hat at one time or the other. I've
been wrong before and I will be wrong again. I'm quite proud of my track
record, thank you.
> Sorry, it's getting boring.
No it's actually quite interesting to me.
Microsoft does NOT force Windows on people. There are plenty of Mac and Linux
advocates. Windows is where it is today because it is a good choice for users
and computer vendors. Easier than Linux and better OS technology than Mac.
Wider support for games and applications that people want. Windows 2000 is the
first step to convergence. Stability, hardware and software support,
ease-of-use and performance. One OS scaling from the handheld to the 32CPU 64GB
enterprise-class server. A rich set of well documented system services that
developers can leverage to decrease time to market. And it's what most people
know how to use and from the Gallup results, it's what most people PREFER.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 00:24:41 -0400
Loren Petrich wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Aaron R. Kulkis
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Here's a solution: GET A FUCKING JOB.
>
> Presupposing that one can find a job if one tried.
>
> > First...AFDC, WIC, SSI, etc, do NOT encourage anybody to "get back on their
> > feet"...quite the opposite...it encourages them to further indulge in their
> > pathological behavior.
>
> I'm sure that Mr. Kulkis has been mugged numerous times by retirees
> -- their receiving pensions and Social Security and Medicare had
> clearly made them do it.
>
> > If the government wasn't confiscating %50 of what I earn, I could
> > be helping numerous people actually
>
> It's not confiscation. It's the law. I find this a strange attitude
> for someone who professes to believe in law and order.
>
> > Answer: Never...this country was founded upon the principle of
> > PERSONAL ACCOUNTABILITY.
>
> Except, of course, for Mr. Kulkis. If he got fired for venomously
> making lots of accusations against his fellow employees, he'd blame it
> on anyone other than himself.
FALSE PREMISE.
Since the Premise of your argument has never occured, your
supposed "observations" of the conclusion are null and void.
Now, try again, you goddamned fucking ASSHOLE.
>
> --
> Loren Petrich
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Happiness is a fast Macintosh
> And a fast train
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
http://directedfire.com/greatgungiveaway/directedfire.referrer.fcgi?2632
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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