Linux-Advocacy Digest #212, Volume #30 Mon, 13 Nov 00 12:13:07 EST
Contents:
Re: 2.4 Kernel Delays. ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: OS stability ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: Linux 2.4 mired in delays as Compaq warns of lack of momentum ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Linux 2.4 mired in delays as Compaq warns of lack of momentum ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Linux growth rate explosion! (!)
Re: Linux 2.4 mired in delays as Compaq warns of lack of momentum ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Linux 2.4 mired in delays as Compaq warns of lack of momentum ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Mandrake, thoughts? Opinions? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Linux 2.4 mired in delays as Compaq warns of lack of momentum ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: NT/2000 true multiuser? ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: Aaron R. Kulkis - Who is this guy? (Jake Taense)
Re: OS stability (Donovan Rebbechi)
Re: Mandrake, thoughts? Opinions? (sfcybear)
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: 2.4 Kernel Delays.
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 10:59:51 -0500
Weevil wrote:
>
> Ayende Rahien <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:8uc62l$ckb$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > "The Great Suprendo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > A certain Ayende Rahien, of comp.os.linux.advocacy "fame", writes :
> > >
> > > >Their problem.
> > > >As far as I understand, MS marketing was the one who won the OS/2 vs
> > Win*.
> > > >IBM can certainly pay for a good PR, they didn't, they lost. Whose
> > problem
> > > >is that?
> > >
> > > Well suppose Microsoft were to produce an operating system that was
> > > designed to compete with AIX on an RS/6000. Who do you think would win
> > > the "PR" war then ?
> > >
> > > IBM is a mainframe/high end server company. It sort of fell into the
> > > mass small computer market by accident. It expertise still lies with the
> > > big machines, which is why it still assembles are the fastest machines
> > > available in the world. It went for a gamble on a desktop server OS and
> > > lost it. It has other things to think about.
> >
> > High end server/main frames are not a place for PR, you know.
> > I know very few places where you can support your arguement for buying the
> > 10,000,000 machine because "it looked cool in the ad"
> >
>
> Any place where money changes hands (legally, that is) is a place for PR.
> The PR strategy for IBM's supercomputers was one I happened to follow very
> closely. They hired a brilliant graduate student, gave him a 5 million
> dollar (or so) budget, and told him to develop a machine that could defeat
> the World Chess Champion, Garri Kasparov. Thus, 'Deep Blue' was born.
> Actually, it grew out of 'Deep Thought', a machine the student had developed
> in school over the years and already the strongest chess computer in
> history.
>
Wasn't "Deep Thought" the name of the computer in "Life, the Universe, and Everything"
???
> Hsu 'ported' the whole thing to IBM's latest supercomputer hardware, spent a
> few years refining, tuning, debugging, etc, and in the end, did what no
> other computer had ever done -- it beat the human chess champion in a set
> match.
>
> For IBM, this was nothing but PR for its super-computer hardware.
>
> jwb
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
http://directedfire.com/greatgungiveaway/directedfire.referrer.fcgi?2632
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: OS stability
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 10:03:10 -0600
"sfcybear" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8uo5i7$8vf$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> The real question is: how much bang for you buck are you getting? In a
> clustered invironment that can handle failures, it may not be cost
> affective to do the type of scheduled maintance that you have suggested.
> Please look though my posts for the full explination. I have worked in
> several large financial institutions and I can tell you that some of the
> nations bigist DO NOT DO any scheduled maintenance on there PC or UNIX
> servers only their big iron
I wonder why that is? Perhaps because the big iron is their mission
critical hardware?
Tell me, what's the mission critical hardware in a business built around a
web site?
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux 2.4 mired in delays as Compaq warns of lack of momentum
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 11:08:21 -0500
Relax wrote:
>
> "Ketil Z Malde" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > In my book, S.u.S.E has "released" Linux with ReiserFS. Does that
> > count? It's still being worked on, of course. Does that make it not
> > count?
>
> Let's put it in another way: would you bet your job on it?
Under most conditions, yes.
It's superior to the standard filesystems of HP-UX and Solaris,
and offers better performance than HP-UX and Solaris journaled filesystems.
Basically, in any application where HP-UX or Solaris standard
filesystems are in use, I would consider ReiserFS to be a
superior choice--same performance, better reliability.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
http://directedfire.com/greatgungiveaway/directedfire.referrer.fcgi?2632
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux 2.4 mired in delays as Compaq warns of lack of momentum
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 11:09:08 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> I wouldn't bet "my" job on anything with the word Linux in the
> description.
>
Considering that you're a paid Microsoft shill, this is not surprising.
> claire
>
> On 9 Nov 2000 19:15:07 -0600, "Relax" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >"Ketil Z Malde" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> In my book, S.u.S.E has "released" Linux with ReiserFS. Does that
> >> count? It's still being worked on, of course. Does that make it not
> >> count?
> >
> >Let's put it in another way: would you bet your job on it?
> >
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
http://directedfire.com/greatgungiveaway/directedfire.referrer.fcgi?2632
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (!)
Crossposted-To:
comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux growth rate explosion!
Date: 13 Nov 2000 16:19:39 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy Chad Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "Steve Mading" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:8unv68$ar4$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> : Chad Myers wrote:
>> :>
>> :> "Andrew Suprun" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> :> news:8MmO5.20966$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> :> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ayende Rahien) wrote in
>> :> > <8ubtp8$9cd$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> :> >
>> :> > >> Microsoft: "MSDE doesn't limit the number of users who can connect to
>> :> > >> its database, but it is optimized for five users. For a larger numbers
>> :> > >> of users, you should use SQL Server 7.0."
>> :> > >
>> :> > >Not so.
>> :> > >It's installed optimized for 5 users, there is nothing to prevent you
>> :> > >from re-optimzing it to much larger numbers of users.
>> :> >
>> :> > MS Access is open sourced already?
>> :>
>> :> Contrary to popular Linux belief, not everyone is a C programmer.
>> :>
>>
>> : And the point of you're repeating this old bromide is??????
>>
>>
>> : clue for the fucking clueless
>>
>> : it doesn't matter if *you* personally know C or not...
>> : as long as a large group of people who *do* can review it,
>> : and you are able to hear/read their evaluation.
>>
>> Chad's view is like saying that you don't care whether or not
>> your car's technical manuals are available to the public. After
>> all, *you* don't know what to do with those manuals, so obviously
>> it doesn't matter if they are out there. This naive viewpoint
>> ignores the fact that it's kinda nice that your *mechanic* can
>> get access to those manuals.
> Mechanics have access to much more technical and accurate documentation.
> The manual becomes irrelevant.
> Developers get along just find without having the source to Access. People
> have become very productive with Microsoft tools without requiring
> the source. People can optimize, configure, and tweak the applications
> to their specifications without the source because the software is
> well designed in the first place, making having the source available
> irrelevant.
My god chad, youre the biggest fucking idiot ive ever seen in my entire
life, dresden black included.
Everything youve just typed is *completely* wrong. You'd realize it was
wrong if you had any actual programming experience.
But you dont. This much is absolutely obvious.
Sorry about jumping out of your killfile there, pal. Someone had to
say it.
=====.!.!.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux 2.4 mired in delays as Compaq warns of lack of momentum
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 11:27:21 -0500
Chad Myers wrote:
>
> "The Ghost In The Machine" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Roberto Alsina
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote
> > on Wed, 08 Nov 2000 15:23:12 GMT
> > <8ubr4n$mcg$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > >In article <3a080572$0$36976$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > > "Relax" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >> "Roberto Alsina" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > >> news:8u8rlg$8k4$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >> > In article <3a07d40b$0$14416$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > >> > "Relax" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >> > > "Roberto Alsina" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > >> > > news:8u77je$vai$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >> > > > In article <3a06de7b$0$32739$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > >> > > > "Relax" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >> > > > > By the way, what is the maximum
> > >> > > > > partition size limit on Linux, and what is the maximum file
> > >size
> > >> > on
> > >> > > > 32bit
> > >> > > > > hardware?
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > Assuming ext2:
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > Max file size: 2GB, unless you use the "bigfile" patch.
> > >> > > > Max part size: 4TB
> > >> > >
> > >> > > 4TB maximum FS size is quite decent, but 2GB filesize is hardly an
> > >> > > "enterprise scale" limit. Needs to mature a bit :)
> > >> >
> > >> > Or you need to use the "bigfile" patch. You seem to enjoy selective
> > >> > reading.
> > >>
> > >> Oh yes, and what are you going to do, recompile Oracle to use the new
> > >API?
> > >
> > >What new API? Are you smoking something funny?
> >
> > Technically, it's a new API, but one can recompile apps
> > by using the options:
> >
> > g++ -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64 -D__USE_FILE_OFFSET64 ...
> >
> > The source code -- at least for open() level stuff; I don't know
> > about fopen() or iostream -- would not have to change.
> > However, the objects would not be compatible, as open() and
> > other such things become macros with the real calls becoming
> > open64().
> >
> > Makes life interesting. :-)
>
> So you can't use Oracle on Linux for >2GB databases without fancy
> techniques or special filesystems.
These are standard database techniques, dumbass.
>
> Thank you for finally ending this thread of this topic.
>
> -Chad
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
http://directedfire.com/greatgungiveaway/directedfire.referrer.fcgi?2632
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux 2.4 mired in delays as Compaq warns of lack of momentum
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 11:29:29 -0500
Chad Myers wrote:
>
> "Goldhammer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:8zPO5.72271$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > On Fri, 10 Nov 2000 03:33:02 GMT,
> > Chad Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
> > >So you can't use Oracle on Linux for >2GB databases without fancy
> > >techniques or special filesystems.
> >
> >
> > That is quite nonsensical.
>
> How so? How do you get >2GB databases with Oracle on Linux?
>
> Some here, from your camp, reported that Oracle uses a special filesystem
> to deal with the discrepancy.
There are only 2 reasons for putting a production database in a regular filesystem
a) it's incredibly small
or
b) you don't care about performance
or
C) YOU'RE A MICROSOFT DUMBSHIT
>
> -Chad
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
http://directedfire.com/greatgungiveaway/directedfire.referrer.fcgi?2632
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Mandrake, thoughts? Opinions?
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 16:22:53 GMT
I am considering Mandrake 7.2. Should I buy the full version? Or just
get the cheapbytes version? Or should I even use Mandrake? Is the manual
worth while?
Any thoughts? Opinions?
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux 2.4 mired in delays as Compaq warns of lack of momentum
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 11:30:14 -0500
Chad Myers wrote:
>
> "Steve Mading" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:8uh91v$8mi$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > In comp.os.linux.advocacy Chad Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > : "Goldhammer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > : news:8zPO5.72271$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > :> On Fri, 10 Nov 2000 03:33:02 GMT,
> > :> Chad Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > :>
> > :>
> > :> >So you can't use Oracle on Linux for >2GB databases without fancy
> > :> >techniques or special filesystems.
> > :>
> > :>
> > :> That is quite nonsensical.
> >
> > : How so? How do you get >2GB databases with Oracle on Linux?
> >
> > : Some here, from your camp, reported that Oracle uses a special filesystem
> > : to deal with the discrepancy.
> >
> > You are either ignorant or lying when you claim a 2GB limit is the
> > reason for the use of the 'special filesystem'. Performance
> > is the reason for assigning a raw partition to oracle's use.
> > (And it's not a "filesystem" - Oracle just uses the partition
> > as raw blocks of bytes because that's faster than going through
> > an unneccessary filesystem layer (Since all Oracle wants to do
> > is have a huge array of bytes of permanent store, the indirection
> > of a filesystem is just fluff.) Even with access to a filesystem
> > that can make one file larger than 2GB, oracle setup guides *still*
> > reccomend that you use some raw partitions for oracle, for PERFORMANCE.
>
> Of course they do because ext2's performance sucks. However, on NT,
It's recommended on EVERY platform, dumbshit.
> NTFS is much better and so such a recommendation is uncessary.
>
> Tell us, how do you get a database file larger than 2GB with Oracle on
> Linux?
>
> The BigFile patch changes the addressing to 64-bit which would potentially
> screw up any existing apps that required the 32-bit addressing. Such
> apps would have to be recompiled to support >32-bit addressing. Has
> Oracle been "recompiled" to support this?
>
> -Chad
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
http://directedfire.com/greatgungiveaway/directedfire.referrer.fcgi?2632
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: NT/2000 true multiuser?
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 10:32:06 -0600
"Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:PCLP5.19779$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Starting with win2k or does this apply to NT as well? How would I
> add or remove an additional IP address to a network card through
> the command line?
You know, someone says this at least once every few months. Nobody bothers
to look at the docs.
There are two ways to do this:
In Win2k - Use Netsh... see
http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/Q257/7/48.ASP?LN=EN-US&SD=g
n&FR=0
In NT4 or less, you can use regedit to change the keys. NT4 may require a
reboot though if you change some entries.
> > Well, if the setup program doesn't include a silent mode of operation
> (many
> > do, including such things as service packs), then I would install it
first
> > on another machine, monitoring the installed files and registry changes
> with
> > various utilities that are freely available. Then copy the files to the
> > machine via ftp, and apply the registry changes.
>
> Yow - that's your idea of adminsistering a machine via telnet?
How is that much different from installing files to a Linux machine and
manually editing config files?
RPM's help, but RPM's don't always do everything you need.
> > If that's too much work, then you could always write a WSH script to do
it
> > for you on 1000 machines.
>
> And that isn't supposed to be work?
A lot less work than doing it by manually.
> > > It is also very handy to have files containing some canned sets of
> > > command line commands to do particular things that take a lot of
input.
> > > For unix systems I just save them in a file and paste the relevant
lines
> > > into a telnet window to get them done. I see windows guys saving
> > > screen dumps of systems, then paging through a mess of them punching
> > > all the same buttons again and again. Is there a better way than
that?
> >
> > I'm not sure I follow you. What's wrong with a script?
>
> Mostly just that I don't know how to script 'visual' things that depend
> on something that may or may not appear in a certain place and need
> to be moved to some other unknown-till-you-see-it place.
I still don't know what you mean. An example might help.
> Text
> commands are much less sensitive to that sort of relative context.
> When you do something once on a command line you can usually
> paste the commands into a text file as you go. The next time you
> need to do the same thing you can bring up the file and cut and
> paste the same commands into some other machine. No scripting
> language needed - just a windowing system capable of cut
> and paste, and you don't have to worry about whether the target
> supports the same version of a script language. This technique
> works with everything that allows telnet connections for configuration,
> like routers and similar equipment, but so far I haven't been able
> to do it to a windows box.
Why not? If there's one thing Windows supports well, it's cut and paste.
You can certainly do this.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jake Taense)
Subject: Re: Aaron R. Kulkis - Who is this guy?
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 16:32:21 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Well this settles it. He is a plumber. No wonder he can't follow
>> simple usenet netiquette. He's an embarassment that just won't go
>
>I have fulfilled or surpassed all of the core requirements for an
>engineering degree. I'm a couple hours short in humanities electives.
>
>big fucking deal.
Aaron - all that is here is the admission that you aren't an Engineer, yet you
claim to be one.
Given that you claim that status when you don't hold it, why should we believe
that you have the rest of your education? You've already demonstrated the
tendency to lie about your education.
Plus, you hardly carry yourself like an educated professional. People have a
hard enough time giving your posts any serious consideration without this
information.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi)
Subject: Re: OS stability
Date: 13 Nov 2000 16:39:49 GMT
On Mon, 13 Nov 2000 10:02:08 -0500, Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
>Donovan Rebbechi wrote:
>Does the word EMPHASIS mean anything to you?
If half the article has "emphasis", then it's no longer "emphasis", it's
shouting.
--
Donovan
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From: sfcybear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Mandrake, thoughts? Opinions?
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 16:26:59 GMT
In article <8up4gi$1j1$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I am considering Mandrake 7.2. Should I buy the full version? Or just
> get the cheapbytes version? Or should I even use Mandrake? Is the
manual
> worth while?
>
> Any thoughts? Opinions?
I use the downloaded version of mandrake7.2. I was using it when it was
still in the cooker (beta). I think it is great. As to what YOU should
buy, that depends on YOUR needs not our opinion. If you put forth your
needs, perhaps we could point you to the best sollution.
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.
>
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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