Linux-Advocacy Digest #446, Volume #30 Sun, 26 Nov 00 16:13:03 EST
Contents:
Re: Linux=Stink*Stank*Stunk (Mig)
Re: C++ is very alive! (Salvador Peralta)
Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever ("Les Mikesell")
Re: C++ is very alive! (Charlie Ebert)
Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: The Sixth Sense ("Les Mikesell")
Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Of course, there is a down side... ("Les Mikesell")
Re: C++ is very alive! (mlw)
Re: C++ is very alive! (Charlie Ebert)
Re: Of course, there is a down side... ("Les Mikesell")
Re: Linux is crap ("Les Mikesell")
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From: Mig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: Linux=Stink*Stank*Stunk
Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 21:09:04 +0100
Jacques Guy wrote:
> Sir (aka Claire Lynn -- hello sweet tart!) wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
> I fully agree Claire, sweet twat. I once installed Caldera
> and the bloody thing had me play Tetris for a full
> TWENTY MINUTES! I hate playing Tetris! It taxes my
> grey cells! I prefer play wi' de paper clip. Linux
> sux all right, yeah, right on, Twatty Bird.
It must be Claire... heshe managed to install Mandrake if i recall.. and
amazingly Sir is posting with Knode 0.3.2 (thats the one with KDE2).
Great stuff :-)
--
Cheers
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From: Salvador Peralta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: C++ is very alive!
Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 12:16:47 -0800
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Charlie Ebert wrote:
> FEAR NOT! GNU/GPL MAN IS HERE!@
>
> If there ever were a GOLDIES - OLDIES - COMPILER MOLDIES -
> it would be here at DEBIAN. Any language you have learned
> if the GNU has made a compiler for it, that language will
> be here for another 10,000 years at least!
<snip>
This reminds me. Our lead rpg developer came back from the common
conference a few weeks ago. Common is a conference for companies
running midrange IBM mainframes. Upon getting back from the conference,
I asked him how it went, and what was new. He replied by asking me
whether I knew anything about Apache. "I guess that's going to be the
next big thing as far as web servers go", or open source programming "I
guess IBM is really pushing this open source thing."
I reminded him that we have been running apache in our shop for the last
3 years along with perl to handle web-based scripting jobs that they
could not rapidly develop in rpg or our 4gl of choice. Several months
ago, I wrote a perl script which uses sendmail to handle bulkmailing for
our registered mailing list of about 35,000 members. I am currently
running it on an old pII 350. It was something of a rush job to get the
system up and running because we found that the domino server on our
mainframe could not easily handle the load of sending 35,000 emails
through notes. I mentioned that it was funny that we could do these
jobs with free tools running on a free OS, and she said that "Notes
Domino is more of an enterprise solution." I didn't ask the obvious
question "If that's the case, why can't you use it to send out a paltry
35000 emails"?
Last week she sent me an email with a link to a story that Notes is
incorporating sendmail into their next product release to "resolve some
of the upward scaling problems" they were having with Notes.
I don't particularly care about world domination, but it's pretty clear
that the proprietary source castles are crumbling.
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://salvador.venice.ca.us
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From: "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever
Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 20:18:09 GMT
"Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8vqtur$56ngn$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
>
> I said *CD*, not *CD-ROM*
> The CD & Bios support booting from CD, the Slackware CD itself didn't.
Does it provide rescue capabilities in addition to install or allow
you to get to a shell before doing anything destructive? If so (and
other distributions do this - I just don't use Slackware), you should
have repeated whatever method was used to start up the install.
>
> And just to counter your next arguement, no, it wasn't the burned ISO,
> (which as far as I know, can boot)
> It was a CD that a friend burned for him, and he didn't make the CD a
> bootable one
Odd that he would give a non-bootable CD to someone without a
floppy drive... But this whole situation is odd including
(especially) the concept of expecting win98 to be able to do anything
helpful. The only thing realistic about the whole story is having
problems with a win98 install.
> There are more things in heaven and hell that are dreamt of in your
> philosopy, Huratcio - Shakspere (badly spelled, probably)
>
> Try to think about it.
Think about the normal ways to recover a Linux system next time
instead of the most bizarre approach. For example, a search
on freshmeat.net will find a bunch of boot/rescue ISO images,
or you could grab a copy of demolinux - a fairly complete
boot-and-run from CD distribution. Or you should be able
to put any of the floppy rescue images on a bootable CD - you
did mention a friend with a burner, didn't you. And keep in
mind that these are all last-ditch after-the-fact suggestions. A
better initial approach would have been to use a distribution that
lets the CDROM act as a rescue disk if needed.
By the way, did you ever try to install win95 or NT on this machine? How
would that be possible?
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charlie Ebert)
Subject: Re: C++ is very alive!
Reply-To: Charlie Ebert:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 20:19:19 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Salvador Peralta wrote:
>
>
>Charlie Ebert wrote:
>
>> >Cobol??? Cobol seems very much in decline in the mainframe world. Most
>> >of the enterprise jobs I see are for java programmers. Almost all of
>> >the java jobs I see listed require, or request a background in C++ for
>> >rather obvious reasons.
>> >
>>
>> Yes,
>> If you have 30+ years built up into insurance packages for the insurance
>> industry, 10's of thousands of cobol programs, billions of lines of code,
>> your not going to re-write it in C or java or anything else.
>>
>> Yes, Cobol is alive and predominate here.
>> Believe it or not.
>
>I believe that what you are saying is true for your industry. I heard
>one of the vp's at intel lament that it takes mainframe companies 20-30
>years to get into a technology and 20-30 years to get out of them. What
>I disagree with, to some degree, is the statement "in today's
>world...". We use rpg on our mainframes, but the development cycle is
>so much faster with some of the newer languages, so is the maintenance.
>4gl's aren't usually a good option b/c they aren't terribly flexible, so
>that leaves things like java and perl where shops are moving away from
>the green screen or even from mainframe back end with winClients.
>
We have one hospital which still uses RPG.
The trend is to go with a 4GL which generates cute GUI's on Windows
boxes and Java WEB interfaces for the rest, all running under LOWBAL
and Oracle.
We don't have any more green screen terminals, they went out about
20 years ago. The mainframe of today can perform the same
tasks the PC can only do it cheaper.
That's a funny yet true statement. It used to be the other way
around on the cost issue. Microsoft has created the PC industry
and Microsoft is also destroying the PC industry with their high
cost.
Case in point.
To equip a company with 1000 employee's with adequate computer
power the Windows way including their WEB machines, their SQL boxes,
their servers, the super lan/wan to carry all that data to and fro
would cost you an easy $2 million dollars.
You can buy a brand new HP-9000 to handle the load with the
appropriate 4gl software and oracle for 3/4 the price. And
that included the medium lan/wan and all the PC's for interfaces.
Then there is the aspect of super computers and the advent of
the cluster. While they reach for new and higher horsepower
for large science projects, the cost of the cluster still isn't
competitive with the average business mainframe.
This is another reason I support Linux as it will be the savior
of the PC industry. It's mainly in the software cost.
IF not then we will end up with some kind of net appliance for
our new dumb terminal to the mainframe.
But for small business's, they will pay a heavy price for
Bill Gates insanity.
They are the one's who will suffer the most.
Charlie
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever
Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 15:20:42 -0500
Ayende Rahien wrote:
>
> "mark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > In article <8vpf2i$5buf6$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Ayende Rahien wrote:
> > >
> > >"mark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >> In article <8vp23h$58vlq$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Ayende Rahien
> wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> >"mark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > >> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >> >> In article <8vnubl$4ujgg$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Ayende Rahien
> > >wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> >> The interesting question is 'with linux, how many times has
> > >> >> your /etc directory been rendered unusable?
> > >> >
> > >> >Five times, two power failure related, one with the system hanging so
> I'd
> > >to
> > >> >do a reset, one with 'rm -f', one when upgrading.
> > >> >That is just my personal experiance, you know. And I don't deal with
> > >linux
> > >> >extensively.
> > >>
> > >> I find this absolutely unbelievable. You are claiming the
> > >> complete and total destruction of a whole directory containing
> > >> 10s to 100s of files on the ext2 filesystem. Upgrading has
> > >> no impact on this filesystem at all - this is not windows!
> > >> rm -f suggests that you're not fit to be in charge of a
> > >> lawnmower, let alone a computer. (My 6 year old is allowed
> > >> to drive my mini tractor, he's safe with it).
> > >> Your claim to not deal with linux extensively is the _only_
> > >> thing in this post which rings true - the rest reads like,
> > >> well, fantasy, really.
> > >
> > >rm -f was indeed my fault, what is your point here?
> >
> > You can hardly claim that you deleting hundreds of files
> > from a directory is any kind of weakness in a system design.
> > You could just as readily have deleted the windows registry.
>
> Actually, no, I couldn't.
> If I'm on win9x, I would've to go to Dos(real mode) and do it.
> Otherwise, I would get permission denied or some such error.
> ME wouldn't let you go to DOS, but you can stick a dos floppy and do it from
> there.
> NT/2K wouldn't let you do this even if you.
>
> > >upgrading was also my fault, I choose server install in redhat 6 and it
> > >wiped my system.
>
> > I do not find this credible.
> >
> > > (I used to do custom installs, and intended this to be a
> > >test to RH6 until I would decide if it was good enough to move to, which
> is
> > >why I didn't choose upgrade, I intended this to go to another HD, but
> choose
> > >to do a server install instead of custom one, and it wiped the system.
> > >Documented, but unwarned from.)
> >
> > But I'm not a Redhat expert. I'll need to leave this to a
> > Rhat expert to let us know whether installing redhat can
> > 'wipe the system'. This seems like another windowsism
> > to me.
>
> stick redhat cd to the cd-rom, boot from it.
> Choose install, choose server.
> The program will, without a shred of warning, erase all your HDs, and use
> them as it sees best.
> It's a well documented highly-annoying things about it.
>
> http://www.redhat.com/support/manuals/RHL-6.0-Manual/install-guide/manual/do
> c020.html#s2.7.2
>
> "A server-class installation removes *all* existing partitions on all
> installed hard drives, so choose this installation class only if you're sure
> you have nothing you want saved! When the installation is complete, you'll
> find the following partitions:"
>
> "*Please Note*: A server-class installation will remove any existing
> partitions of any type on all existing hard drives of your system. All
> drives will be erased of all information and existing operating systems,
> regardless if they are Linux partitions or not."
>
> > >> Resets do not have this effect, nor do power failures. Please
> > >> provide more information about any of these claimed events.
> > >
> > >The HD didn't boot, fail to mount on linux systems, fail to be read on
> win
> > >ext2 readers.
> >
> > No - this is not working for me. Are you saying that the master
> > boot record was corrupted? If so, that will affect any OS at all.
> > That is not a linux issue. It is *certainly* not an ext2 issue.
> > Even if that did happen, it is *extremely* unlikely that, armed
> > with a rescue disk, the ext2 partitions would not be fully
> > recoverable. I don't think you've any experience of this at
> > all.
>
> Read what I said, it won't mount on other systems.
> I tried the rescue disk method, and it failed.
> The hardisk was find, I repartitioned it and it worked, no bad sectors.
>
> > >If you think that an admin is beyond making mistakes...
> > >Well, we will leave it at that.
> > >Is that the
> >
> > Mistakes which involve deleting all the files, powering
> > the system down .... No, the MCSEs I know are better than
> > this.
>
> That was only part of my list.
> Please pay attention.
>
> >> To make a complete directory structure unusable - no, even
> > >> Windows has never done that on me. Please provide some
> > >> credible evidence of these ludicrous claims.
> > >
> > >FAT & NTFS are indeed more robust than ext2 in this regard.
> >
> > FAT certainly is not.
>
> FAT has yet to take all my files away from a system crush or power down.
>
> > NTFS I don't know much about.
> > Please provide evidence that this has happened.
> > Perhaps you could list the files in /etc which
> > were corrupted, that might help us here. (Although I
> > strongly suspect you can't because you don't know).
>
> You weren't paying attention.
> The whole FS vanished.
>
> > >> >> The registry is well renowned as a major weakness in the design of
> > >> >> windows.
> > >> >
> > >> >It takes a *lot* to corrupt the registery, usually a hard drive
> failure.
> > >> >Currupting the data *inside* the registry is another matter, and can
> > >cause
> > >> >system instability, just like putting invalid data in the files in the
> > >/etc
> > >> >dir.
> > >>
> > >> Err, text file damage is a minor problem - binary file damage is a
> > >> massive problem, especially if it happens close to the start of the
> > >> file.
> > >
> > >Please provide more information about any of these claimed events where
> the
> > >registry was damaged that badly.
> >
> > I didn't claim an event - I said that damage to a binary file is
> > a massive problem, especially if it happens close to the start of
> > the file.
>
> I agrees with you on this.
> But we are talking about the registry here.
> The registry cannot be access (directly, on FS level) while the OS is
> working.
> The registry doesn't get curropted, because nothing can access it except the
> OS, which doesn't curropt the binary file structure.
You forget that the registry is stored as just another file in
a CORRUPTIBLE filesystem.
Who cares if the registry is "non-corruptible" if the meta-data
describing the registry gets corrupted....then you're screwed.
If Microsoft was GENUINELY interested in making an 'incorruptible'
registry, they would put it on its own raw partition.
But they don't. It's not even an option....not even on those
platforms advertised as being suitable as "servers"
So, you must ask yourself 'why'?
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: The Sixth Sense
Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 20:21:52 GMT
"Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8vqvra$5f036$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
>
> > I gave a quick test (under linux) of beta's. Until PR3 they were just
> > for fun. PR3 appeared to be a reasonable beta (a little buggy, something
> > not implemented, but usable).
> > You may have different behavior under Windows, because the application
> > must handle a lot of issues which under Unix are handled by OS.
>
> Probably, but after the disappotment 4 was, I'm not sure if I'll try it
> until it's tested thourghfully.
My windows version of Netscape 6 (release) has never run. It always
crashes with a DLL error message. Based on experience with other
programs under windows, I interpret this as a windows problem, not
something Netscape-specific.
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever
Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 15:22:49 -0500
mark wrote:
>
> In article <8vqtut$56ngn$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Ayende Rahien wrote:
> >
> >"Chris Ahlstrom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> >
> >> I've seen it take out the majority of the WINDOWS directory on 95.
> >> I installed 98 on my sister-in-laws machine, and still had many
> >> problems. A UPS fixed them; she hasn't called me lately.
> >
> >UPS?
> >Unitteruptable Power Supply?
> >Or is it some other abbrevation?
> >
> >
> Yes, uninterruptable power supply. I've not seen it stand for
> anything else in computing. I believe that there is a US
I once heard about a non-computer-literate army officer who complained
that his office's *unlimited* power supply only lasted for 20 minutes.
I guess he thought it was a perpetual motion machine.
> shipping company which uses the same initials, but I don't think
> he meant that he'd attached a shipping company to his sister-in
> laws machine :)
>
> mark
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Of course, there is a down side...
Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 20:28:38 GMT
"Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:EE2U5.10300$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > > None. They didn't have to if the lazy programmers either: a> Checked
> the
> > > dates before copying or B> Wrote their programs to the published
Windows
> > API
> > > correctly.
> >
> > And you are positive that there has never been a case where the newer
> > MS DLL broke another vendor's previously working program?
>
> Of course there are. But those programs have typically not followed the
API
> and relied on undocumented side effects that went away when the DLL
changed.
People who say things like that always point to documentation that exists
now, saying that the competing vendor's programmers should have followed
it years before it was available. Very convenient.
> When an upgraded DLL does legitimately break applications, MS fixes it,
like
> they did when SP6 broke Notes.
Could being in the courts about anti-competitive practices have
anything to do with this new attitude about fixing the problems they
cause for competitors?
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: C++ is very alive!
Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 15:31:55 -0500
Charlie Ebert wrote:
>
> My point really was MLW was making references to material
> related directly to writing kernel's.
>
> Memory management and memory searches / CPU intensive discussions...
> These are all issues of kernel writers.
This is not true. Memory management and CPU intensive stuff is very much
part of applications. Oracle is an application, as are applications like
apache.
One such project I am working on is a music search system. I can find
songs, based on words, out of over 4 million, in under 10ms. There is NO
WAY I can do this in Java. Now, I wrote this to interface with PHP, but
in the end it is still an application.
>
> >I have a problem with defining "software engineer" as "one who uses
> >certain tools". Equally skilled people working in different areas will
> >naturally use different tools, even while working from the same base of
> >theory. There is a reason so many computer languages exist, and it
> >isn't only because some people are too inept to use C++.
> >
>
> I don't think MLW was attempting to tie the term Software Engineer
> with C++. He was attempting to tie Software Engineer to kernel
> developer only. Hardly any of his discussion could be tied
> directly with C++ more than it could Kernel development issues.
That is a misconception, as in my previous example, I would argue that
performance and low level software abilities make for some kick-ass
applications.
One could even argue that a full understanding of how code is compiled,
how memory management works, how to design multithreaded applications to
work with multiple CPUs more effectively are more more valuable at the
application level.
--
http://www.mohawksoft.com
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charlie Ebert)
Subject: Re: C++ is very alive!
Reply-To: Charlie Ebert:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 20:32:17 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Salvador Peralta wrote:
>
>
>Charlie Ebert wrote:
>
>> FEAR NOT! GNU/GPL MAN IS HERE!@
>>
>> If there ever were a GOLDIES - OLDIES - COMPILER MOLDIES -
>> it would be here at DEBIAN. Any language you have learned
>> if the GNU has made a compiler for it, that language will
>> be here for another 10,000 years at least!
>
>
><snip>
>
>This reminds me. Our lead rpg developer came back from the common
>conference a few weeks ago. Common is a conference for companies
>running midrange IBM mainframes. Upon getting back from the conference,
>I asked him how it went, and what was new. He replied by asking me
>whether I knew anything about Apache. "I guess that's going to be the
>next big thing as far as web servers go", or open source programming "I
>guess IBM is really pushing this open source thing."
>
Yip.
>I reminded him that we have been running apache in our shop for the last
>3 years along with perl to handle web-based scripting jobs that they
>could not rapidly develop in rpg or our 4gl of choice. Several months
>ago, I wrote a perl script which uses sendmail to handle bulkmailing for
>our registered mailing list of about 35,000 members. I am currently
>running it on an old pII 350. It was something of a rush job to get the
>system up and running because we found that the domino server on our
>mainframe could not easily handle the load of sending 35,000 emails
>through notes. I mentioned that it was funny that we could do these
>jobs with free tools running on a free OS, and she said that "Notes
>Domino is more of an enterprise solution." I didn't ask the obvious
>question "If that's the case, why can't you use it to send out a paltry
>35000 emails"?
>
This was just hillarious. I wonder why also.
>Last week she sent me an email with a link to a story that Notes is
>incorporating sendmail into their next product release to "resolve some
>of the upward scaling problems" they were having with Notes.
>
Your kidding!
>I don't particularly care about world domination, but it's pretty clear
>that the proprietary source castles are crumbling.
>
>--
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>http://salvador.venice.ca.us
OH yeah. HP-UX is probably just a hearbeat away from
running some IA64 based kernel with a patch for it's heart.
I can hardly wait for the day. Image that!
You write one peice of software on your Linux box and
it's already ported to run on anything.
That's another really BIG prize of this deal.
Charlie
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From: "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Of course, there is a down side...
Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 20:33:39 GMT
"PLZI" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:9G8U5.91$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> I am NOT saying that MS is Doing the Right Thing when not giving the
> intricasies of these services - but I fully understand why they do not
give
> them. I can come up with tens of examples, where the protocol is open, but
> the service which uses the protocol is prorietary.
Then why do they keep up the deceptive pretense that they use
standard protocols and can interoperate correctly with anything else?
They don't and can't as long as they use proprietary protocols and
should be forced to say that in their advertising and literature.
Les Mikesell
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From: "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux is crap
Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 20:42:19 GMT
"Skully1900" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> I got sucked in and bought Linux and it sucks. It installed ok with the
> exception of my scanner, camera,printer and soundbored but it still sucks.
I
> don't see what the big deal is this this program thant makes my pc a piece
of
> junk.. Efne DOS is beetter than this Linux trash.
>
> whopper
And your reason for posting this to a newsgroup of people who
rather obviously don't share these problems would be??
Les Mikesell
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