Linux-Advocacy Digest #571, Volume #30 Thu, 30 Nov 00 18:13:05 EST
Contents:
Re: Don't believe the hype (UnixGeek)
Re: Goodwin Acknowledges he's an idiot. (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Linux is awful (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever (.)
Re: Linux is awful (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Linux is awful (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Linux is awful (JM)
Re: Linux is awful (JM)
Re: Anyone have to use (*GAG*) Windows on the job? (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Netscape review. (Spicerun)
test ("Peter Breuer")
Re: Don't believe the hype ("Barry Walker")
Re: Whistler review. ("Conrad Rutherford")
Re: Whistler review. (Static66)
Re: Whistler review. ("Conrad Rutherford")
Re: Is design really that overrated? (kiwiunixman)
Re: Whistler review. (Static66)
Re: The Sixth Sense (Giuliano Colla)
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From: UnixGeek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Don't believe the hype
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 22:18:01 GMT
In article <9062os$bri$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I have now used Linux for 6 months (Redhat 6.0)
>
> According to the press its a stable operating system - YOU MUST BE
> JOKING.
>
> yp / ldap (take your pick - you will end up trying both!) just don't
> work.
>
Of course. Never have, never will. Just a piece of useless code taking
up HD space. I have never heard of anybody using it
> Gnome leaks and locks up frequently, machines reboot and run out of
> memory.
>
Must be the poor memory management of Linux.
> In short most of the software may be free but it certainly isn't
> finished.
>
of course not. All linux software is sent out half-done, not airtight
and completed like MS products.
> If you value your time then Linux is not free.
>
of course, who wants to spend a bunch of time "learning", jeez.
much better to use the standard MS stuff.
> Oh yes and I haven't even touched on gdb (use Visual Studio then try
> gdb ; its like the dark ages - again IT DOES NOT WORK).
>
> I would have loved to have found linux was stable and usable however
> the truth is it lacks quality.
>
Yes, Definitely go back to the quality MS platform. Airtight, perfect
programs, machines that never lock up, reasonably priced, heck ya, its
the way to go. Besides, Microsoft really looks out for your best
interests. To betray them now would be wrong.
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.
>
--
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Goodwin Acknowledges he's an idiot.
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 22:32:06 +0000
Perry Pip open his mouth and uttered forth a pile of drivel:
[snip]
Hit a nerve did I?
When someone dare's to challenge the Linux advocates here, down into the
muck they go! Out come the insults! YEEHAA!!
--
Pete, running KDE2 on Linux Mandrake 7.2
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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux is awful
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 22:34:03 +0000
kiwiunixman wrote:
> when KDE2 loads up, does it display the start up screen with a dragon
> and four green buttons that light up as the loading progresses, if so,
> it is the pre-release. They replaced the start up screen with something
> a little more conservative in the full release.
No, it's a picture of a jolly penguin wearing a boiler suit behind a bunch
of oddly drawn cogs.
--
Pete, running KDE2 on Linux Mandrake 7.2
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From: . <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever
Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 11:33:13 +1300
> >Of course, if the customer requested the machine with no operating
> >system, I don't see any reason IBM should be required to support anything
> >beyond hardware faults and issues. If the customer chooses not to buy
> >the complete package, they should have that right is all I meant to say.
> >If part of that right includes giving up IBM support, the customer should
> >be made aware of it, and then be given what he asks for.
>
> I won't go that far. If somebody buys a product from IBM, it is illegal
> for IBM to refuse to support *that product* based on what *other
> products* (possibly from competitors, but this is irrelevant) the
> customer chooses to use the IBM product with.
I agree with you... if I buy a server machine from IBM, and they tell me
that they only support AIX on these boxes, and I choose not to
purchase and install AIX, they should not be required to support my
software configuration. They should most definitely be supporting the
hardware I've purchased.
Also, if IBM cared about their customers, I believe they would provide
some sort of unofficial support forum for unsupported OS's (e.g, a Linux
knowledgebase of known issues). But I believe, as long as they have
informed the customer of what they will and wont support, that they are
only legally obliged to support what they have sold you.
> >Can you elaborate on this a bit? What kind of contract could be violated
> >by me posting unofficial prices?
>
> What makes you think these prices are in any way "unofficial"? You pay
> them, don't you?
>
> The prototypical OEM license includes a restriction from disclosing the
> price they pay for Windows.
Well, then my posting prices would be no good... it reveals what *I* pay
for windows, not what they do. Some may suggest this would be the same
thing, but I say it is unknown, and you can only guess.
> >I could say that every time we choose Win98 and remove it, the price of
> >the PC drops by about NZ$80-90...
>
> Any guess what that might be in US dollars? And could you give us a
> real figure, instead of "about" and a range of $10?
I don't know the current exchange rate... I know it's quite bad for us
though! Not so long ago, it would've been around US$1 = NZ$2.
I cant give a more accurate price, unfortunately, as I've only ever heard
verbal confirmation of how much would be cut once or twice, and that was
quite a few months ago. For reference, when I was buying these machines,
Windows ME wasn't an option.
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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux is awful
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 22:35:26 +0000
Mig wrote:
> Mandrake changed the splashscreen and he's using Mandrake 7.2 like me.
> Give us the result of your "konqueror --version" command
> Mine is
> Qt: 2.2.1
> KDE: 2.0pre
> Konqueror: 1.9.8
>
Qt: 2.2.1
KDE: 2.0pre
Konqueror: 1.9.8
Someone did say that they thought "2.0pre" meant it was V2.0, as this was a
bug that didn't get fixed for the release.
--
Pete, running KDE2 on Linux Mandrake 7.2
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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux is awful
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 22:38:58 +0000
Mig wrote:
> Youre right. I get fllowing with "kicker --v" and other programs
> Qt: 2.2.1
> KDE: 2.0pre
> The KDE Panel: 0.9
Me too:
Qt: 2.2.1
KDE: 2.0pre
The KDE Panel: 0.9
> Youre using Mandrake 7.2 right? Self burned ISO's? It looks like the
> special version of Mandrake shipped a few days before the official release
> is the base of the downloadable ISO's. I know a major store in the US got
> 7.2 with prerelease KDE software. This could explain why i dont have
> taskbar icons for Kppp when im dialing and why i cannot import Gtk+
> themes.
Downloading ISO across a 56k modem isn't really viable 8). I bought mine
from the Linux Emporium here in the UK - they seem to have their brand on
the CD.
> Anyone there with a selfcompiled KDE2 missing those icons?
I'd like to know too!
--
Pete, running KDE2 on Linux Mandrake 7.2
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JM)
Subject: Re: Linux is awful
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 20:49:05 GMT
On Thu, 30 Nov 2000 08:33:14 GMT, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
(Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Spicerun <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> You tell us what your excuse is for advocating Windows in a Linux
>advocacy
>> newsgroup, and you will discover the answer to your question.
>
>My "excuse"? I need an excuse to tell you that Linux doesn't meet my
>requirements, despite hearing hype telling me otherwise?
Reaing between the lines, I find that you must have a tendency to
follow hype and propaganda. If you're going to follow hype like a
blind sheep, and get all your hopes up, you're going to get
disappointed.
I bet you've collected all the Pogs and Pokemon as well.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JM)
Subject: Re: Linux is awful
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 20:49:06 GMT
On Thu, 30 Nov 2000 08:41:38 GMT, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
(Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Humble Dragon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> What cave have you been living in? This guy is a WinTroll (tm).
>Don't
>> you realize this is the same shit he usually posts, like Mandrake
>sucks,
>> etc. etc.? He only posts this shit a 1,001 times. Pull your head out
>> of your ass. He's trolling, not asking for help.
>
>Maybe he is, maybe he isn't. It's just that _every_ single post I see
>here making complaints about Linux is immediately blasted.
What do you expect? This is a LINUX advocacy group, full of LINUX
users. You can hardly expect an intelligent response if you come in
screaming "Linux is CraP!!! U R aLL Gay!!!" etc etc.
>> PS, if you ever need to know the typical IQ level of a WinUser, just
>> check out Boris' posts sometimes. He'll overwhelm you with witty
>> phrases like "you an asshole", or "you stink".
>After being called "Shithead" by one Linux Advocate, does that tell me
>the typical IQ of a LinuxUser?
No, it tells you that you are indeed a "Shithead".
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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Anyone have to use (*GAG*) Windows on the job?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 22:48:09 +0000
mark wrote:
> In article <vpeV5.9071$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Pete Goodwin wrote:
> >Ian Davey wrote:
> >
> >> But that is only an issue where the hardware you have is unsupported.
> >> If your hardware is supported then Linux is definately superior.
> >
> >The list of hardware that is supported by Windows is much greater than
> >the list for Linux.
>
> Which version of windows?
>
> Mark
Why Windows 98/ME of course!
--
Pete, running KDE2 on Linux Mandrake 7.2
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From: Spicerun <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Netscape review.
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 21:57:52 +0000
Matthew Soltysiak wrote:
> >
> > You first. Get out of the linux and mac newsgroups Wintroll!
>
> and you, a slave...keep quiet; go back to your pit.
Again, you first....crawl back under your rock Winidiot.
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From: "Peter Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: test
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 23:54:41 +0100
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From: "Barry Walker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Don't believe the hype
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 22:55:57 GMT
Hmmm.. guess IBM is wasting their time with Linux then, huh? Yea.. most big
companies like to piss away time and money on worthless projects like Linux.
Stick with windows. Apparently, you're one of the confused floridians.
-Barry
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:9062os$bri$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> I have now used Linux for 6 months (Redhat 6.0)
>
> According to the press its a stable operating system - YOU MUST BE
> JOKING.
>
> yp / ldap (take your pick - you will end up trying both!) just don't
> work.
>
> Gnome leaks and locks up frequently, machines reboot and run out of
> memory.
>
> In short most of the software may be free but it certainly isn't
> finished.
>
> If you value your time then Linux is not free.
>
> Oh yes and I haven't even touched on gdb (use Visual Studio then try
> gdb ; its like the dark ages - again IT DOES NOT WORK).
>
> I would have loved to have found linux was stable and usable however
> the truth is it lacks quality.
>
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.
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From: "Conrad Rutherford" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Whistler review.
Date: 30 Nov 2000 16:57:38 -0600
"Spicerun" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Conrad Rutherford wrote:
>
> > I don't believe you
>
> And you have zero credibility, so I don't care if you do believe me.
Continue
> on in your Windows sheltered life.
and your credibility? haha. Sheltered? who's using the free toy?
>
> > - that is unless you boss is less interested in
> > productivity and interoperability and profit then he is using the latest
> > trendy anti-ms warez.
>
> Trendy? HaHaHa. Since when is Linux 'Trendy'? Since when is Microsoft
not
> 'Trendy?
I hardly consider MS trendy - do you have a dictionary handy? Try using it.
>
> And you're just a 2 bit whiner now trying to second guess my boss.
> Fortunately, He doesn't listen to idiots like you. Our department made
18%
> more money profit for the company last quarter on Linux and our
productivity
> and interoperability have gone up since pitching out Windows.
Gee, there is the quarter where you didn't spend money on the OS. OK, great,
18% - now, lets see how it goes after you've eaten the TCO advantage of that
away and have to spend more time getting the same tasks done at the CLI than
in Windows. And more time you spend trying to find, fix and compile apps
from strangers to try to fill the void ... Your one company experience pales
to the dozens I've had experience with. Time will tell...
>
> > Winning what? Linux and making money are words that never appear in the
same
> > sentence unless it's something like "Linux and making money are words
that
> > never appear in the same sentence"
>
> Repeat:: Our department made 18% more money profit for the company last
> quarter on Linux and our productivity and interoperability have gone up
since
> pitching out Windows. <NOTE: Linux and money appeared in the same
sentence
> along with the word profit! You're wrong again.>
but i don't believe you so what's the matter. One client of mine has
realized a mutlimillion dollar savings purchasing Wintel architecture after
dropping their horribly over priced and underperforming sun boxes. They
continue to save money in development time developing to a unified API and
the single most popular programming environment.
>
> Your attempt at an intimidating tone in a newsgroup post really
intimidates
> nobody......but it does make you look like a hothead idiot.
>
your arguments are weak, your proof non-existant and your tone whinny. I
don't know the temp. of your head but an idiot you are.
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From: Static66 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Whistler review.
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 22:58:16 GMT
On Wed, 29 Nov 2000 19:58:51 +0000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mark) wrote:
>In article <8vulp6$5pbkd$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Ayende Rahien wrote:
>>
>>"mark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>>> In article <RptU5.25410$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Chad Myers
>>wrote:
>>> >
>>> >"Glitch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>>> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Tom Elam wrote:
>>> >> >
>>> >> > On Mon, 27 Nov 2000 02:30:51 +0200, Tom Elam wrote this reply to
>>"Ayende
>>> >> > Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>>> >> >
>>> >> > >For now, I think that there is a good chance that Whistler will be
>>as good
>>> >> > >from win2k as win2k was from NT.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > That would make it a pretty impressive piece of software.
>>> >> >
>>> >>
>>> >> yep, only 2 crashes per day instead of 5, and only 5 employees angry
>>for
>>> >> their work being lost instead of 10 employees.
>>> >
>>> >You idiots are all the same. You used Windows back in the Win3.0 days,
>>> >realized it was shit, and then never used another Windows again, but
>>> >held every version to that standard.
>>> >
>>> >NT is far superior, Win2K even more, and Whistler just that much more.
>>> >
>>> >-Chad
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>> Unfortunately, we've had to use Windows from 3.0, 3.1, wfw3.11,
>>> Win95osr2, Win98se. Or at least I have. And they've all
>>> been *very* unstable.
>>
>>In other words, you reach judgement on the NT lines without even trying it.
>>9x is a whole other (ugly and horrifying) beast.
>
>My mail, print services and file services either are or have
>been f*cked up by NT for several years, on and off. If you were
>keeping up on posts you'd remember the note I referred to about
>the exchange servers now being rebooted every month or more. This
>is because they were grinding to a halt a peak time, rather than
>being stopped at quiet times every few days, like NT should be.
>
>My file serving is now handled by linux with mars (netware) and
>samba.
>
>Corporately, we now have a web front-end to exchange, so I no
>longer have to even start the bl**dy awful Outlook client. It
>also means that I'm a bit more secure as well.
>
>The exchange servers still barf from time to time, of course,
>but at least I get a message every few days which tells me when
>my email service will be disable due to an NT restart for
>no particular, but good all the same, reasons.
>
Sounds like you need to hire someone who has half a clue how to
configure and maintain an exchange server to me.
>>
>>> The constant marketing effort by Microsoft
>>> to persuade the populous at large that using windows is a
>>> pleasant experience just doesn't cut it. I'd rather have had
>>> that money spent on making it stable, 'cos it's not.
>>
>>You *believe* PR?
>>
>>
>
>No, *I* don't. I'm not naive enough to imagine for a moment
>that it doesn't work, however. All I have to do is read your
>postings for proof.
>
>Mark
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From: "Conrad Rutherford" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Whistler review.
Date: 30 Nov 2000 17:00:37 -0600
"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Conrad Rutherford wrote:
> >
> > Chad, there won't be any company left to visit after they take the road
down
> > linux loosers lane... I mean, I don't know anywhere they've dropped
windows
> > for linux and survived more than a fiscal year. In fact, I consider it
an
> > automatic lie when I hear "We replaced our windows boxes with linux" - I
> > read: I snuck a copy of linux into a partition I resized with partition
> > magic (nothing like it in unix world of course) and it's running my own
> > private ftp site so I can leech files I download at work home.
>
> Strange. Auto suppliers around Detroit are using Linux more and more....
> so that they can more directly work with the auto manufacturers themselves
> without having to purchase $15,000 Sun workstations
Gee, strange that given the opportunity to replace overpriced unreliable sun
workstations with intel boxes running a free unix varient would strike you
as anything but logical? Their applications are unix based, of course
they'll stick to unix you dim bulb. That they dropped Sun speaks volumes.
Auto suppliers in detroit are notoriously cheap, they'll hire ANYONE so long
as the word "Cheap" is associated with them. That's why their turnover rate
is so high. Ask your recruiter for statistics about the market in detroit
(south of big beaver) and you'll know why that's happening. Then research
how they do it on north 75 where the big money lies.... ahhhh.... suddenly
the trail turns.
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From: kiwiunixman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Is design really that overrated?
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 23:01:24 GMT
I would like to have a window manager, either like MacOS X or Amiga=20
Workbench 3.9, both are easy to use, and have a simple design. I think=20
alot of people got pissed off at the whistler review as the original=20
poster basicly claimed is was the best purely on it's visual=20
presentation, also, his review was not very professional. Had he said=20
something along the lines of, "The new Windows GUI has been enhanced,=20
however, depending on what may happen in the Linux GUI area, whistler=20
may face some face stiff competition in the area of user-machine=20
interaction".
kiwiunixman
the_blur wrote:
> Hi guys,
>=20
> I'm a designer...I recently installed Mandrake 7.2 and found it to be t=
he
> only distro where everything set up as easily as Windows (with the exce=
ption
> of my cable modem connection, which still doesn't work...gotta figure o=
ut
> drakconf) more out of curiosity for an alternative to MS OSes than anyt=
hing
> else.
>=20
> One thing I noticed is that when someone in another group
> (comp.sys.mac.advocacy) reviewed whistler, the fact that it had a nicel=
y
> designed interface came under *vicious* attack. It's sad that for some
> reason, the Linux community doesn't believe in aesthetically pleasing
> design.
>=20
> Anyway, here's a rank Linux Newbie's review of mandrake 7's graphic des=
ign
> (and a few other things)...
>=20
> Installation:
> Although the graphics in the installer were (bad) amateur at best and
> obviosly designed by someone with a very rudimentary understanding of t=
he
> fundamentals of color theory. The installation was (super) easy after I=
made
> an empty area of diskspace in my second drive. It was like popping in t=
oast.
> This was good.
>=20
>=20
> The Startup Screen...
>=20
> I think the Linux Mandrake startup graphical screen has no class. The l=
inux
> Mandrake Login penguins look stupid (and have no class).
>=20
> In the login screen, is it possible to change these graphics, maybe to
> pictures of the users? The different penguins all suck. Hard. The UI
> elements are doing it right though with the popular pillow emboss look.=
>=20
> I think Corel got it right on with their classy low-contrast collages,
> They're easy on the eyes, and have a pleasant classic, stable, buisness=
like
> look (even though that stupid-looking penguin was still looking out at =
me
> from the corner of the startup screen).
>=20
> Why is the Linux penguin used so much when it's so goddamned goofy-look=
ing?
> This thing I see at boot (the scrolling list of things that load when y=
ou
> start Mandrake) assaults my sense of style. Why do you all have to put =
up
> with such a silly-looking mascot? It looks like a drawing someone scrib=
bled
> on the back of a napkin! It's terrible that the aesthetic aspects of th=
e
> linux OS take such a back seat to everything else! Linux logos, like th=
e GNU
> bull (or whatever it is) look unpolished and unprofessional. The Xfree8=
6
> logo would absolutely fail in any one of my corporate identity design
> projects, the globe is _the_ most clich=E9d element in corporate design=
, to
> the point where no self respecting designer would use it at this point,=
it
> conveys no idea of what the organization does.
>=20
> KDE classic's scrollbars look terrible, and are about 4 - 5 years behin=
d the
> times design-wise. The flat (or pillow emboss) look is in people, time =
to
> adjust. KDE2 improves this quite a bit, but still foists these
> crappy-looking scrollbars on users. You may not think much of it, but t=
he
> devil is in the details. At least on the window bars, they don't commit=
the
> capital UI offense of grouping destructive items with non-destructive i=
tems
> (like windows and MacOS X and KDE classic do). It's a very good useabil=
ity
> feature borrowed from MacOS 9 to put close on the left upper corner and=
> Iconify/Maximize in the right upper corner. Their intentions are good a=
nd
> they have clearly realized that the MacOS UI team had it right the firs=
t
> time..
>=20
> The default theme for XMMS is dark and it's difficult to discern differ=
ent
> elements like play/stop/rewind (the eMAC skin is what I would make the
> default) There are so many classy, useable skins, why use such a crappy=
one
> by default?
>=20
> Cut and Paste support across apps is terrible, Navigator 4.75's font
> handling is a joke. A bad joke. Now I know why I design my pages for
> IE5...If I were to design for linux users, I'd have to either not use C=
SS
> font handling at all (because fonts become illegible) or design the pag=
es
> completely in flash (but you can't design legible pages in flash becaus=
e of
> the anti-aliasing). So I would have to design pages that look oh about =
5
> years behind the times.
>=20
> And finally: KDE2 apps are unstable...And the OS is frustratingly solid=
=2E I
> mean, an OS that never goes down is useless if any (non-console) app yo=
u use
> in it can come crashing down at any second anytime. Yeah, my windows
> installation crashes hard 3-4 times a week requiring a reboot sometimes=
a
> manual press of the reset switch, but until that time, apps are solid a=
nd
> everything behaves as expected. On my linux installation, X apps crash =
12-20
> times A DAY (segfault...what the hell is that?), the OS keeps chugging
> happily along, while (potentially anyway) I lose hours and hours of wor=
k due
> to unstable apps. I haven't done any real work in linux so far, because=
(oh
> so ironically) in my opinion, it's far too unstable! The apps crash lik=
e it
> was the national pastime!
>=20
> Oh, and I think that if they got rid of all the stupid looking penguins=
,
> water buffaloes and got a decent graphic designer to design their logos=
/
> login / installation screens, people, upon seeing linux for the first t=
ime
> would realize that it's not a hobby/toy desktop OS. But we got a long w=
ay to
> go for that. It's called brand building, Linux has none and no brand
> building =3D no mindshare, no mindshare =3D no users. It doesn't matter=
how good
> it IS, until it LOOKS good, no one with any sense of style will use it.=
>=20
> BTW, I'm putting my money where my mouth is. I'll re-design all this st=
uff
> if no one else is willing (the GNU bull, the linux penguin, the xfree86=
logo
> and anything else I find that needs it). I'll submit it, and then the
> community can do whatever it pleases with it. I did my part. Unfortunat=
ely,
> due to lack of proper (serious) graphic design tools on Linux (killustr=
ator
> is not a serious graphic design tool, neither is CorelDraw until it sto=
ps
> using WINE), I'm doing it all on Windows and MacOS =3D(
>=20
>=20
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From: Static66 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Whistler review.
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 23:01:55 GMT
On Mon, 27 Nov 2000 20:43:39 -0500, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Chad Myers wrote:
>>
>> "Glitch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> >
>> >
>> > Tom Elam wrote:
>> > >
>> > > On Mon, 27 Nov 2000 02:30:51 +0200, Tom Elam wrote this reply to "Ayende
>> > > Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> > >
>> > > >For now, I think that there is a good chance that Whistler will be as good
>> > > >from win2k as win2k was from NT.
>> > >
>> > > That would make it a pretty impressive piece of software.
>> > >
>> >
>> > yep, only 2 crashes per day instead of 5, and only 5 employees angry for
>> > their work being lost instead of 10 employees.
>>
>> You idiots are all the same. You used Windows back in the Win3.0 days,
>> realized it was shit, and then never used another Windows again, but
>> held every version to that standard.
>
>Circa 1980 BSD 2.x Unix on PDP-11 with up to 2 dozen simultaneous users was good
>for over a week.
>
>Circa 1999 Windows 98 stays up for what...2 days...IF YOU'RE LUCKY
>
>What the fuck is up with that????
>
>
>
>
>>
>> NT is far superior, Win2K even more, and Whistler just that much more.
>
>Yeah, right. Show me even ONE NT box that has stayed up for 3 months,
>let alone 14 months.
I have three here in my house that have been running for months
without a crash or reboot..they get used everyday quite heavily..
>
>>
>> -Chad
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From: Giuliano Colla <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: The Sixth Sense
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 23:02:19 GMT
mark wrote:
>
[snip]
>
> So, what newsgroup has 100,000 messages in it?
>
> Mark
Maybe this very NG, in a short time, if neither you nor Ayende give up!
:-)
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