Linux-Advocacy Digest #576, Volume #30 Thu, 30 Nov 00 22:13:03 EST
Contents:
Re: Ok, putting money where my mouth is... (John A Lee)
Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Windows review ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Linux is awful ("Ayende Rahien")
Comparing Linux ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Linux is awful (Terry Porter)
Re: Linux growth rate explosion! ("Jon A. Maxwell (JAM)")
Re: The Sixth Sense ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Why is MS copying Sun??? ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Netscape review. ("Chad C. Mulligan")
Re: I Will Survive (without Windows) (kiwiunixman)
Re: Linux is awful ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Linux is awful ("Les Mikesell")
Re: Netscape review. ("Chad C. Mulligan")
Re: Goodwin Acknowledges he's an idiot. (kiwiunixman)
Re: Linux is awful ("Les Mikesell")
Re: Why is MS copying Sun??? ("Chad C. Mulligan")
Re: Why is MS copying Sun??? ("Chad C. Mulligan")
Re: Red Hat drops Sparc support with new Linux version (kiwiunixman)
Re: Comparing Linux (kiwiunixman)
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From: John A Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: Ok, putting money where my mouth is...
Date: 30 Nov 2000 21:49:50 +0000
"the_blur" <the_blur_oc@*removespamguard*hotmail.com> writes:
<snip>
> Are you accusing me of plagiarism? Where specifically did you find my
> drawings other than on my website?
Don't worry yourself about anything Kulkis says. He's a well-known
Usenet liar and hatemonger who doesn't really know anything about
Linux or Unix despite his claims to be a "Systems Engineer".
If you doubt me, read his sig and work out what it tells you about
him. He's best killfiled.
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever
Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 03:03:12 +0200
"." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> > >I could say that every time we choose Win98 and remove it, the price of
> > >the PC drops by about NZ$80-90...
> >
> > Any guess what that might be in US dollars? And could you give us a
> > real figure, instead of "about" and a range of $10?
>
> I don't know the current exchange rate... I know it's quite bad for us
> though! Not so long ago, it would've been around US$1 = NZ$2.
FWIW, 85 NZ$ currently worth 35$US
> I cant give a more accurate price, unfortunately, as I've only ever heard
> verbal confirmation of how much would be cut once or twice, and that was
> quite a few months ago. For reference, when I was buying these machines,
> Windows ME wasn't an option.
FWIW, if I opt to buy a computer without ME, the price fall down by the
equilent of 112$US which would be 972.04$NZ
(Well, actually, I can opt to buy a computer with several OSs, one of them
is ME, add the price is added to the computer, not being dropped from it.
I'm not sure of the significant of the difference, though.)
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.os.ms-windows.nt,comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Windows review
Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 03:04:51 +0200
"Snarf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:906o5q$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Win95 on a 386 with 4 megs of RAM? You might be able to install it, but do
> you really think it will run? Looks like yet another one has fallen for
> Uncle Bill's Windows propaganda.
Those are the minimum requirement.
This mean it will run (more likely stumble along, actually) on it.
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.x,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux is awful
Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 03:08:55 +0200
"David M. Butler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Eric Meyer wrote:
>
> > >They should really try doing a Windows install before complaining.
> >
> > I have many times. It may not be as easy as installing Office (or the
> > like), but it's still a hundred times easier than linux.
>
> I'd love to see how you came up with a factor of 100. Here's my
experience:
>
> Windows install: Insert CD, boot computer, format drive, wait awhile until
> it finishes.
>
> Linux install: Insert CD, boot computer, format drive, wait awhile until
it
> finishes.
>
> They both took about the same amount of time and properly detected
> hardware.
>
> Only difference installation and hardware setup-wise was when I upgraded
my
> Motherboard and CPU. Went from an AMD K6-III 400 and a MB with a VIA
> chipset, to an AMD Thunderbird 900 and a MB with a VIA chipset. Windows
> laughed at me and said, "Whoa, buddy... I am NOT going to touch that
thing
> unless you reinstall me!" ... Linux said, "I love you," and that was that.
>
> Otherwise I've had no more trouble with Linux than Windows, or
vice-versa...
Could you load in safe mode?
If you could, you should've removed all hardware from the hardware tab in
System Properties in the Control Panel.
And then reboot.
Windows would then rebuild the hardware list, and ask you for drivers for
the new hardware (and the old one which it doesn't have drivers to).
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Comparing Linux
Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 01:09:17 GMT
Why is (almost) everybody out there comparing Linux to other Operation
Systems ?? I don't get it. Linux is a stand-alone OS, it don't needs
DOS or something. Linux is a product made out of Unix but that don't
makes it a clone or a good copy of the original. As I stepped to Linux
everybody was saying to me: "What the hell is Li.. what ??" But I never
cared what they said about it, because I wanted to discover it myself.
That would be like your friends telling you: "The juice tastes like
this !" But that is bull...., because thats a matter of taste. Most of
you step to Linux, because somebody told you its great and cool, but
you know what? You're about to enter a world which you probably don't
understand. It ain't like Windows: Turn on the computer and wait for
the hackers to break in. Linux is made to adapt to what you want it to
and you don't have to fit to the system (Windows). Now, even if you run
Linux, why do you want to run commercial (Windows) software on a free
system ? I'm writing about using i.e. Word on Linux with Wine (or a
program equal to this). Because commercial software is good ? I can
tell you a lot of adresses where you can get free software with a
better quality than a program for about 50 $ ! Sure, you have to know
what you want to do with your computer. If you only want to play games,
Windows is the better choice, but if you do networking, routing or
anything like that: use Linux. Get to know what it is, how it works and
you'll see: I was right !
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Porter)
Subject: Re: Linux is awful
Reply-To: No-Spam
Date: 01 Dec 2000 01:32:42 GMT
On Thu, 30 Nov 2000 08:36:27 GMT, Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mark) wrote:
>
>> No, but claire/steve/keys/cat/hepcat/jason/sir is our well-known
>> troll who changes name & sex on a regular basis, but nothing else.
>>
>> But then, you knew that, didn't you, Pete?
>
>I have no idea if Claire is Steve or whoever. He/She makes some
>interesting comments, most of which are drowned out by the constant
>abuse by some writers in this group.
If I ever had any doubt about you being a troll Goodwin, you've removed them
whis this post.
Goodbye Wintroll.
<plonk>
>
>--
>---
>Pete
>
>
>Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
>Before you buy.
--
Kind Regards
Terry
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up 1 day 6 hours 38 minutes
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From: "Jon A. Maxwell (JAM)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux growth rate explosion!
Date: 1 Dec 2000 01:43:09 GMT
mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: (comp.lang.java.advocacy)
|>
|>> >> Doh. How do you get a trojan onto a unix machine?
|>> >
| Not without root permissions, it can't. You really don't
| understand the unix security model, which is causing you to fully
| misunderstand why the scenario you describe cannot happen.
The unix or NT security model is irrelevant since the trojan gets the
security access of the user running it. The solution to the problem
is to run all code in an environment with less rights than the user.
Neither allow this restricting of rights to be done in any practical
manner.
Java does this with applets, and potentially with any code, enabling
Java to be used in an internet environment without suffering from
trojans or viruses.
Jam (address rot13 encoded)
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: The Sixth Sense
Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 03:18:14 +0200
"Giuliano Colla" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> mark wrote:
> >
> [snip]
> >
> > So, what newsgroup has 100,000 messages in it?
If I set a long expiration date? Plenty.
This particular newsgroup has around 50,000 messages stored locally on my
machine, and it just keep growing.
I remove the messages every once in a while and store them in a database,
for future reference.
I'm also monitoring many support group and store them locally (though not
through via outlook express).
You'd be surprised by the usefulness of such a thing stored locally,
especially since deja dropped their archieves.
> Maybe this very NG, in a short time, if neither you nor Ayende give up!
> :-)
It's certainly trying.
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.lang.java.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why is MS copying Sun???
Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 04:01:40 +0200
"Artur Biesiadowski" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Ayende Rahien wrote:
>
> > What is so wrong in telling your friends/contractors to save in another
> > format?
>
> "Please download following file, fill it with your personal data and
> send it back to us".
>
> Of course I can tell them: I do not own needed version of Office, could
> you please post another version of resume to fill, so I can do this ?
> Will they care ? Maybe... maybe not.
In this case, you can use several tools to overcome the probelm.
WordView is one of them.
http://officeupdate.microsoft.com/2000/downloadDetails/wd97vwr32.htm
Win9x/NT
http://officeupdate.microsoft.com/2000/downloadDetails/wdvw9716.htm
Win3.X
I can read Word 2000 documents in win 3.11 machine, wow, didn't even know
that.
Qoute from the site:
"This product is "freeware." We encourage you to copy and distribute Word
Viewer to your friends and co-workers or post it on public electronic
bulletin boards"
You can copy & paste from the document to any other application you choose.
> This is a real example (not actual words, because it was polish company
> and advertised in polish). I was NOT interested to join it, so it was
> not a problem for me - I just have not seen what they would like to know
> about people they want to hire. But for people interested in offer it
> could be a problem.
See above for the solution.
> Another example - quite big company selling computer parts in Poland
> send updated price list to it's resellers once per week (in Excel
> format). It is quite handy, as you can work directly on their data,
> without needed to import things from plain text/html. They also send
> some infos in doc format. I know that my father (which is a reseller of
> their parts) was forced to upgrade to read their data. It wasn't so bad,
> because there were already other sources of files which was unreadable
> by him - but in previous cases he asked this people to save in
> compatible format. Unfortunately this big company mass mail this
> documents to hundreds of companies in Poland - and I doubt if they will
> downgrade format because of one small reseller whining about his old
> word/excel not being able to read new fancy formatted files.
He didn't have to, that is why you've viewers.
http://officeupdate.microsoft.com/2000/downloadDetails/xlviewer.htm
Win9x/NT
Qoute from the site:
"Users should copy and distribute Microsoft Excel 97 Viewer to friends and
coworkers, or post it onto public electronic bulletin boards, LANs, and
Internet sites. This way individuals without Microsoft Excel will have a
utility that allows them to view Excel spreadsheets. "
So, there isn't really a problem, is it?
And your father has no need to upgrade, but it sound like he didn't waste
his money.
There is also Power Point viewer.
http://officeupdate.microsoft.com/2000/downloadDetails/Ppview97.htm
And something for access too, but it's not quite a viewer, didn't look into
it very much.
BTW, all the links that I supplied work on 97/2000 office files.
For some idiotic reason they are all named <something> viewer 97.
In Excel case, the file support goes back to Excel 2 on wintel & 2.2a on
mac.
In PowerPoint case, the file support goes back to PowerPoint 2 on wintel &
PowerPoint 3 on Mac
In Word case, no data is given to how far back the support goes, although I
assume that this goes back at least to word 6.0
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From: "Chad C. Mulligan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Netscape review.
Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 02:16:50 GMT
"Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:LSmV5.27075$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> "Charlie Ebert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> > And what they did with MS office carry's over
> > to what they did on the internet also.
> >
> > You know, I can't even view the MS website
> > properly with Netscape as the ONLY browser
> > you can see it with properly is MSIE.
>
> The funny part is that I bet they don't even know
> that. They probably just used the Microsoft tools
> they sell everyone else that claim to follow standards
> but in fact don't interoperate correctly with anything
> else. Perhaps they have even deceived themselves.
>
You'd like that eh? Too bad it just ain't true.
> Les Mikesell
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
>
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From: kiwiunixman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: I Will Survive (without Windows)
Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 02:18:42 GMT
The song is a modified version of "I will survive" by Gloria Gaynor
(Disco Queen).
kiwiunixman
kiwiunixman
Ken McFelea wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "kiwiunixman"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>> Dedicated to those who find the transition from Windows to Linux that
>> little bit harder:
>>
>> First I was afraid, I was petrified Kept thinking I could never live
>> without Windows by my side But I spent so many nights thinking how you
>> did me wrong I grew strong I learned Linux and carried on and so you're
>> back using Hard disk space I just walked in to find you here with that
>> BSOD look upon your screen I should have changed my stupid lock I should
>> have made you leave your key If I had known for just one second you'd be
>> back to infect me
>>
>> Go on now, delete off the disk don't return around now
>> 'cause you're not welcome anymore
>> weren't you the one who tried to hurt me with goodbye you think I'd
>> crumble you think I'd lay down and die Oh no, not I I will survive as
>> long as I know how to code I know I will stay alive I've got all my life
>> to live I've got all my knowledge to give and I'll survive I will
>> survive
>>
>> It took all the strength I had not to fall apart kept trying hard to
>> mend the pieces of my partition and I spent oh so many nights just
>> feeling sorry for myself I used to cry Now I hold my head up high and
>> you see me somebody new I'm not that chained up little person still in
>> addicted to you and so you felt like dropping in and just expect me to
>> be free now I'm saving all my disk space for someone who's won't BSOD on
>> me
>
>
> AMEN! I'm telling ya, AMEN!
>
> I have survived!!!
>
> Ken McFelea
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Linux is awful
Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 02:10:03 GMT
>
> Mandrake 7.2 is stable.
>
> The original poster is a LIAR.
>
Actually, I have had better experience with
RedHat, Caldera and SuSE.
I installed 7.1, applied errata packages and
upgraded to 7.2. And now it's ... a mess.
My KDE installation is complete screwed
o my theme and screen saver gone
o every k*app I start blows up
o the tool bar is empty except for
3 copies of configTool that don't work.
So, now I use WindowMaker, which better anyway and
the Eterm is WAY COOL. (Though there seems to be a
bug in ImageScaled that begins a new tile at
ly-2*Inset -- is this a problem in Imlib?,
viewport-mode is also broken)
I had lpr-cups working fine with an HP8000. But
then I installed StarOffice5.1 and tried to print
and broke my cups! Now I can't restart it and
even reboot won't help (dangling lock file?)
HOW can I get print services again?
When I reboot, I have to manually reconfigure and
restart things like ifconfig lo up; ifconfig
eth0...; portmap restart, log off KDE - and get my
other default settings and so on...
Has any started a FAQ on HOWTO fix Mandrake 7.2?
IMHO - OpenLinux 2.3 was stable, Mandrake leaves
room for improvement.
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux is awful
Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 02:20:20 GMT
"Pete Goodwin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:90540f$jgd$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <gTnV5.27077$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > How can anyone possibly have a legimate purpose in posting
> > anti-linux propaganda consisting of claims of problems that none
> > of the rest of us have in a linux advocacy group? Of course we
> > should poke fun at them. Did you see anything resembling a question
> > about what he might have done wrong to have a much different
> experience
> > than other people do?
>
> "Anti-linux propoganda"? If the rest of the group don't have certain
> problems, does that automatically mean they don't exist?
>
> Are you telling me my problems with SB16 and AHA152x are anti-Linux
> propoganda? They exist. They're real. Other people may not have
> experienced them, but that does not make them any less real.
They aren't problems to anyone but you. We all know that ISA cards
can't have all their settings detected reliable and attempts to probe and
guess will result in locking up some systems. All of us including you
know the correct way to handle this non-problem, and it isn't to
complain in an advocacy group. I'll agree that there are real problems,
just not those, and not that a reasonable response to them is complaining
in an advocacy group, especially not before asking for the solution
or work-around in the technical groups. It is not only non-productive
it is anti-productive and most likely serves some other agenda. Why
complain to people who you know don't share the imagined or
even real problem?
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "Chad C. Mulligan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Netscape review.
Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 02:20:55 GMT
"spicerun" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Ayende Rahien wrote:
>
> > You've the source, why don't you turn the debugging off yourself?
>
> Thanks for the challenge. I am indeed doing this and will switch to
Mozilla
> when finished.
>
> > > If you don't want intelligent people responding to this propaganda,
keep
> > it off
> > > the linux and mac newsgroups.
> >
> > Netscape is a multi platform product.
>
> So is Mozilla and Opera.
>
So is Internet Explorer.
> > Whistler is a direct competition to both Mac & Linux.
>
> How is Whistler direct competition to Linux? Linux won't be going
bankrupt if
> people buy Whistler. There will always be someone using Linux somewhere
> because they can!
>
Only the people buying Linux will be going bankrupt.
> As far as direct competition to Mac....Consider the Military who had
their
<trimmed>
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From: kiwiunixman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Goodwin Acknowledges he's an idiot.
Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 02:24:13 GMT
I am not really too concerned about Pete, if he wants to have his sermon
on the mount, then so be, but don't expect Linux users to convert in
droves. I am happy with Linux, and I am not changing. For every switch
to windows I make, 2 months later I come back to Linux, all this too-ing
and fro-ing betweem OS's is a pain in the ass, I am sticking with Linux
even if Whistler comes out.
kiwiunixman
Terry Porter wrote:
> On Thu, 30 Nov 2000 23:47:04 GMT, kiwiunixman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Pete, just ignore him and he will go away.
>
> Goodwin is the Wintroll, Perry is a long term Linux user.
>
> I support Perry anyday over this-blow in Wintroll Goodwin!
>
>
>> kiwiunixman
>>
>> Pete Goodwin wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Perry Pip open his mouth and uttered forth a pile of drivel:
>>
> Your the expert in drivel land Goodwin.
>
>
>>> [snip]
>>>
>>> Hit a nerve did I?
>>
> Yes, and I guess you feel pretty happy about it, Wintroll ?
>
>
>>> When someone dare's to challenge the Linux advocates here, down into the
>>> muck they go! Out come the insults! YEEHAA!!
>>
> Same old Wintroll comeback, havent you picked up any pointers from Claire yet
> Goodwin ?
>
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From: "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.x,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux is awful
Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 02:27:12 GMT
"Eric Meyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:Y8BV5.100202$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >They should really try doing a Windows install before complaining.
>
> I have many times. It may not be as easy as installing Office (or the
like),
> but it's still a hundred times easier than linux.
>
No it isn't, even when it works. Try installing an NT as a dual boot along
with an existing Win95 on a FAT32 disk.
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "Chad C. Mulligan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.lang.java.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why is MS copying Sun???
Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 02:28:01 GMT
"Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:DaiV5.26838$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:903l4f$57ru$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> >
> > About the documents, I can read documents made in office 97 or 2000 with
> > Word 6.
> > File > Save As > Word 6.0
> > No problems there.
>
> How do you do that when you only have word 6.0 and an office 97 document?
> And please don't tell me about the conversion program that was released
> much later.
>
OK Les, Please explain to all of us how to write in version x of any
program support for features in version of x+2 of that same program. Are
you psychic or psychotic?
> Les Mikesell
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
>
>
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From: "Chad C. Mulligan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.lang.java.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why is MS copying Sun???
Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 02:31:10 GMT
"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Said James A. Robertson in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Thu, 30 Nov 2000
> 05:37:51 GMT;
> >In any market, the lead vendor doesn't need to worry about this. MS
> >doesn't worry about making it easy to exchange documents for exactly the
> >same reason that Sun doesn't make the JVM a better environment for other
> >languages - They don't have to.
>
> The law says they do. Your consideration of "the lead vendor" is that
> they are allowed to monopolize, because the free market often cannot
> prevent them from doing so. However, it doesn't matter *how much*
> market power (market share) you have, you're still not allowed to
> monopolize. Whether a producer "has to" do something is predicated on
> the consideration that what will force them to do it is the market's
> ability to acquire alternative products if they don't. When a "lead
> vendor" doesn't worry about whether their customers would choose an
> alternative, based on their ability to control prices or exclude
> competition to the point where the customers don't or can't choose an
> alternative, they are not competing, they are monopolizing, and that is
> always an illegal act, and therefore something I'd say they truly do
> have to worry about.
So you are saying that if I write an application that creates a file of an
efficient format for my application. The market likes my application and a
majority buy it. Then a copy cat comes along and creates a similar
application, it is my responsibility to make sure he can read my files.
Not!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> >Les Mikesell wrote:
> >>
> >> "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >> news:90417r$4tc0$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> >
> >> > >
> >> > > Only if you never need to exchange a file with anyone else.
> >> >
> >> > But I do, and I never had a problem with it.
> >> > For crying out loud, *Wordpad* can handle word 6 documents.
> >> > And StarOffice has better be able to handle word 6 documents.
> >> > So, why wouldn't I be able to exchange files?
> >>
> >> What is it about the Microsoft mentality that makes it impossible to
> >> understand that 'exchange' is a bi-directional process?
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From: kiwiunixman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Red Hat drops Sparc support with new Linux version
Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 02:32:18 GMT
Before you make such as sweeping statement, come back down to earth and
look at the what is also available for the Sparc Platform, Solaris 8,
which, is more mature than Linux, hence, large corps who buy SUN servers
would rather stick to Solaris, that has been designed and optimised for
the coresponding hardware. Also, this is not new news as this has been
common knowledge for a while (originally posted on their website).
kiwiunixman
Conrad Rutherford wrote:
> http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-200-3937182.html?pt.ms..feed.ne_home
>
> I can't blame them, lack of interest is why MS dropped support for other
> chips in W2K.
>
> Just amusing to see RedHat following the dollars and not technology for
> technologies sake.
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From: kiwiunixman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Comparing Linux
Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 02:36:12 GMT
I actually prefer Solaris, however, Linux is the next best thing for the
x86 platform. Unfortunately my hardware in un-compatible with Solaris,
hence the reason I use Linux.
kiwiunixman
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Why is (almost) everybody out there comparing Linux to other Operation
> Systems ?? I don't get it. Linux is a stand-alone OS, it don't needs
> DOS or something. Linux is a product made out of Unix but that don't
> makes it a clone or a good copy of the original. As I stepped to Linux
> everybody was saying to me: "What the hell is Li.. what ??" But I never
> cared what they said about it, because I wanted to discover it myself.
> That would be like your friends telling you: "The juice tastes like
> this !" But that is bull...., because thats a matter of taste. Most of
> you step to Linux, because somebody told you its great and cool, but
> you know what? You're about to enter a world which you probably don't
> understand. It ain't like Windows: Turn on the computer and wait for
> the hackers to break in. Linux is made to adapt to what you want it to
> and you don't have to fit to the system (Windows). Now, even if you run
> Linux, why do you want to run commercial (Windows) software on a free
> system ? I'm writing about using i.e. Word on Linux with Wine (or a
> program equal to this). Because commercial software is good ? I can
> tell you a lot of adresses where you can get free software with a
> better quality than a program for about 50 $ ! Sure, you have to know
> what you want to do with your computer. If you only want to play games,
> Windows is the better choice, but if you do networking, routing or
> anything like that: use Linux. Get to know what it is, how it works and
> you'll see: I was right !
>
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