Linux-Advocacy Digest #658, Volume #30 Tue, 5 Dec 00 09:13:04 EST
Contents:
Re: Red hat becoming illegal? (Chris Ahlstrom)
Re: Red hat becoming illegal? (Chris Ahlstrom)
Re: Red hat becoming illegal? (Chris Ahlstrom)
PTC.Pro.Engineer.v2000i2.Datecode.2000370 ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
TC.Pro.Engineer.v2000i2.Datecode.2000370 ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Red hat becoming illegal? (Chris Ahlstrom)
Re: Red hat becoming illegal? (Chris Ahlstrom)
Re: A Microsoft exodus! ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: A Microsoft exodus! ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
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From: Chris Ahlstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Red hat becoming illegal?
Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 12:46:31 GMT
Tom Wilson wrote:
>
> > You've been listening to Rush, ain't ya?
>
> I get most of it the same place HE does...The AP NewsWire. Anything of his I
> can't verify through a reliable source gets ignored.
I *knew* you were listening to Rush. It's like saying, "Sure, I look at
pornography, but I only like it when it's art."
> > > Or the 30,000+ illegal alien Mexicans who voted in California?
> >
> > Whom did they vote for? Says who?
>
> You know damned well who they voted for - The party that very recently
> campained to get their illegal status overturned. They weren't interested in
> creating new citizens either...They were manufacturing constituents.
So easy to say...
> The
> Democrats in Oklahoma did similar ass-kissing in even small county elections
> in 1992. (I was there and an active campaigner for a Democratic sheriff and
> also helped with a Ft. Smith, Arkansas benefit for then Gov.Clinton's
> presidential race. I completely abandoned the party in 1993 after the
> experience.)
I don't doubt your experience, but it is one person's anecdote about
political shanigans in one town. And a sheriff's office, at that.
> The Hindu and Moslem faiths are VASTLY different and contradict one another.
> You can measure the bad blood there in millenia. It won't change either.
The Hindu and Christian faiths are even more different, but you don't
see that kind of rage and killing. The rage uses the religious differences
as an excuse, I think. Sometimes close neighbors fight the most. They
magnify trivial differences to fuel rage (just like in these newsgroups).
Same for the trivial Republican/Democratic distinction.
> Republicans and Democrats CAN heal. Republicans have either tossed or lost a
> number of their wackos already (Jesse Helms (Bigotted White Trash), Newt
> Gingrich (Asshole), Moral Majority (Contradiction Extremis), Pat Buchannon
> (We rented out your room, so don't even think about coming back), and other
> ultra right wingers) Its' the Democrats' turn, now, to get rid of THEIR
> wackos. (The list is LARGE). It could be done. Centrist ideologies on both
> sides agree on many basic things. There'll always be a bit of tension when
> the over-all ROLE of Government is debated. They survived it in the past.
> They can survive it now. I think the emergence of viable third party
> candidates will bitch slap both sides into action.
I do agree that all sides have wackos.
Chris
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From: Chris Ahlstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Red hat becoming illegal?
Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 12:49:03 GMT
Tom Wilson wrote:
>
> "Chris Ahlstrom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > I'd stop listening to AM radio if I were you. Start reading newspapers.
> > Find some good history books. Start looking into the shenanigans of
> > your own party.
>
> We don't need AM radio to spin what's happening. Anyone with a brain can
> discern it even by watching liberal-biased network news and that paragon of
> American intellect, USA-TODAY (Content? Nahhh...Give the rabble pretty
> pictures)
I take it you don't consider yourself part of the rabble.
> The trouble makers in the Republican party generally get taken to the
> woodshed and spanked until their carreers are over. Newt Gingrich was forced
> to leave for shear hypocracy. Blasting Clinton for infidelity and boffing a
> young assistant all the while didn't set well with anyone. Clinton lied
> under oath and got a pep rally. (I couldn't care less about the blow job
> that prompted it. The only problem I had with it was his obvious lack of
> taste. Hell, if I were President and needed my pipes blown so badly i'd risk
> jeopardizing the Presidency and my legacy...I'd at least find a PRIME piece
> of ass to do it with!)
"Oh, Monica that was great. Hillary never did that. Well, yeah she did,
but, hell, she bit the damn thing!"
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From: Chris Ahlstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Red hat becoming illegal?
Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 12:57:20 GMT
Tom Wilson wrote:
>
> I'm sure Bill Gates doesn't give him a second thought.<g>
>
> Rush is loud, obnoxious, pompous, opinionated and , more often than not,
> absolutely right in what he says.
I've spent quite a lot of time writing code in a lab at our client's
site. In this lab is a radio which is tuned incessantly to talk
radio. I have heard more of Rush's pompous, stentorian, fist-pounding
bloviating than I would have thought I could endure. And I have yet
to hear him say something that did not induce in my head the most
fearsome cognitive dissonance, as if I were listening to a space
alien lecturing about Earth's coming takeover.
Even when he says something based on a fact, the implications he
draws are absurd.
And they wonder why my code has bugs!!!!!!!!
Chris
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From: Chris Ahlstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Red hat becoming illegal?
Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 13:00:13 GMT
Chad Myers wrote:
>
> "Chris Ahlstrom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> > To hell with Rush. He's an idiot.
>
> But he's right. Regardless of what you think of him personall, he makes
> a whole hell of a lot more sense then say, Carvel, Gephart, or William
> "Bugsy" Daley: Chief Democratic Windbag.
I said he's an idiot. An idiot is someone who says or does things
that make no sense. Rush fits the bill. He is, to put it simply,
full of shit.
Chris
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From: Chris Ahlstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Red hat becoming illegal?
Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 13:03:27 GMT
Chad Myers wrote:
>
> Conservatives want to break everyone's dependence on the government as a
> source of life. They want people to be self sufficient and independent.
They aren't alone in this feeling.
> Minorities should be proud of what the GOP's goal intends. If the
> minorities were to ever stand up, fight, educate themselves, and assert
> themselves (peacefully) in business and politics, they would be a real
> force to be reconded with. It is the liberals who are content to keep
> the minorities down, spoon feed them and make them lazy and dependent.
> In this dependent state, they have no recourse but to do whatever the
> liberals say, because if they don't, their livelyhood would be cut.
There exists a horde of minority businessmen and women who are already
a force to be reckoned with. For example, ever watch Univision?
(Not the best example, I'll grant that.)
> The smartest thing a minority person could do, would be to vote for
> a conservative.
Oh, an automatic vote, no thinking, is smart. Sigh.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 08:19:41 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Aaron R. Kulkis writes:
>
> >>>>>> Tom Wilson writes:
>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Tom Wilson wrote:
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I wrote:
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Aaron R. Kulkis writes:
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Donovan Rebbechi writes:
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The movement keys are placed sensibly in vi (hjkl),
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which is not intuitive. First-time vi users, if they try to do
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Big fucking deal. NOTHING about computers is "intuitive"
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Incorrect; consider the power switch.
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> You'd be surprised....
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Never underestimate the idiot factor.
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> The power switch is NOT "intuitive"
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Proof: put a primative tribesman in a room with electric appliances
> >>>>>>>>>>>> and tell him to start the things into operation.
>
> >>>>>>>>>>> I'm in agreement.
>
> >>>>>>>>>> You shouldn't be. His example doesn't represent proof for a power
> >>>>>>>>>> switch not being intuitive.
>
> >>>>>>>>> I'm agreeing that my choice of "idiot" was wrong.
>
> >>>>>>>> But Aaron didn't say that your choice of "idiot" was wrong.
>
> >>>>>>> He did that very thing by intimating the situation to be a question of
> >>>>>>> intuitiveness as opposed to stupidity.
>
> >>>>>> He didn't even intimate that situation. He simply repeated his claim
> >>>>>> that the power switch is not intuitive, and then tried to offer some
> >>>>>> proof for that claim.
>
> >>>>>>>>> The hypothesis, strange as it is, points it out. It's a matter of
> >>>>>>>>> experience and environment, not intellect.
>
> >>>>>>>> "Experience" is the word I used for it. Someone else chose "familiarity".
>
> >>>>>>>>> I used the word idiot because I had been trouble-shooting over
> >>>>>>>>> the phone to complete morons that evening and had a dim view of
> >>>>>>>>> humanity as a result.
>
> >>>>>>>> Someone who couldn't find the "any" key on the keyboard?
>
> >>>>>>> Worse. This was an professional moron.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> An old Novell customer who consistantly forgets his Administrator password.
> >>>>>>> He's STILL running Novell 3.12 which is good, in a way, because you can hack
> >>>>>>> into console debug mode and trick it into believing all system passwords
> >>>>>>> have time-expired. That way he can log on as Administrator and get prompted
> >>>>>>> for a new one.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Ever tried to talk someone, who constantly interrupts and thinks he knows
> >>>>>>> everything, through hacking Novell from the debug console?
>
> >>>>>> No; I don't know anyone who hacks through Novell debug consoles.
>
> >>>>>>> I would have done it myself, but, he lives 600 miles away.
>
> >>>>>> Behind a firewall?
>
> >>>>>>>>>>> The language I used, in hindsight, was wrong.
>
> >>>>>>>>>> That doesn't justify your agreement.
>
> >>>>>>>>> How do you figure? I was agreeing that my wording was off track and
> >>>>>>>>> Aaron's post had pointed that out.
>
> >>>>>>>> Aaron's post wasn't pointing to your wording. He was simply repeating
> >>>>>>>> his claim that the power switch was not intuitive.
>
> >>>>>>> He was pointing to my wording's intent - That it was a question of
> >>>>>>> intellegence.
>
> >>>>>> Where did he do that?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> AK] The power switch is NOT "intuitive"
>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Read: Never underestimate the ignorance factor.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> I used "idiot" because i'ts been one of those nights...
>
> >>>>>>>>>> Go to the store. Buy a lamp. Take it home. Do you consult a manual
> >>>>>>>>>> to find out what to do with the cord? I hope not. Yet the
> >>>>>>>>>> hypothesized "primative tribesman" could have no idea what the cord
> >>>>>>>>>> is for. Does that prove that the power cord is not intuitive?
>
> >>>>>>>>> Oh for God's sake!
>
> >>>>>>>> Which presupposes the existence of God.
>
> >>>>>>> Yep, you're anal....
>
> >>>>>> An illogical conclusion.
>
> >>>>>>>>> His hypothesis was extreme, yes. However, it makes a valid point
> >>>>>>>>> regarding experience.
>
> >>>>>>>> On the contrary, it ignores the essential element of intuitive design,
> >>>>>>>> which involves experience with similar items. If someone states something
> >>>>>>>> about trees, you don't go to a desert and then proclaim the statement
> >>>>>>>> about trees to be wrong.
>
> >>>>>>> You watched a lot of Kung Fu as a kid, didn't you?
>
> >>>>>> No.
>
> >>>>>>> You sound like a fortune cookie.
>
> >>>>>> On what basis do you make that ridiculous claim?
>
> >>>>>>>>> You're bordering on anal retention, i'm afraid.
>
> >>>>>>>> How ironic.
>
> >>>>> Tholen..you really need to see a doctor.
>
> >>>> On what basis do you make that claim?
>
> >>>>> Your anus needs is currently depositing waste material
> >>>>> where your brain should be.
>
> >>>> Even more invective. But of course: where's the logical argument?
>
> >>> I've given it to you FIVE TIMES already, asshole.
>
> >> Invective five times does not make a logical argument, Aaron.
>
> > Neither does ignoring the argument presented for as many days, Dave.
>
> Where did I allegedly ignore the argument presented, Aaron? I've
> explained to you several times now that just because something isn't
> necessarily intuitive to one person does not automatically make it
> not intuitive to someone else.
>
> > You're still THE STUPIDEST person I've ever come across on the Internet
> > in 12 years.
>
> Inoccrect; you have come across yourself, haven't you?
>
> > Did you go see the doctor for that cranial rectumotomy like I suggested?
>
> See what I mean about how you resort to invective when you lack a
> logical argument?
It's merely the truth, Dave.
Deal with it, or fuck off.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 08:20:07 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Aaron R. Kulkis writes:
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Tom Wilson writes:
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Aaron R. Kulkis writes:
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Donovan Rebbechi writes:
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The movement keys are placed sensibly in vi (hjkl),
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which is not intuitive. First-time vi users, if they try to do
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Big fucking deal. NOTHING about computers is "intuitive"
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Incorrect; consider the power switch.
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> You'd be surprised....
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Never underestimate the idiot factor.
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> We're talking about intuition, not incompetence.
>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Put an electric appliance in front of somebody who has never
> >>>>>>>>>>> used an electric appliance before, and you'll learn that there
> >>>>>>>>>>> is absolutely NOTHING intuitive about on/off switches.
>
> >>>>>>>>>> Once again, you're hypothesizing a situation that precludes
> >>>>>>>>>> intuition.
>
> >>>>>>>> Note: no response.
>
> >>>>>> Note: still no response.
>
> >>>> Note: still no response.
>
> >> Note: still no response.
>
> Note: still no response.
>
> >>>>>>>>>>> They are merely FAMILIAR, not intuitive.
>
> >>>>>>>>>> How is an electric appliance familiar to someone who has never
> >>>>>>>>>> used an electic appliance before?
>
> >>>>>>>>> PRECISELY,
>
> >>>>>>>> Precisely why your analogy fails. You're going outside the relevant
> >>>>>>>> group, namely those who use electrical appliances. Just because some
> >>>>>>>> hypothetical "primitive tribesman" won't find a power switch intuitive
> >>>>>>>> doesn't mean that nobody can find a power switch to be intuitive.
> >>>>>>>> Familiarity does not have to be universal before something can be
> >>>>>>>> intuitive to someone.
>
> >>>>>> Note: no response.
>
> >>>>> I've explained it 5 times already, you shit-head.
>
> >>>> Your so-called "explanation" consists of invective, Aaron, not a logical
> >>>> argument.
>
> >>> Deliberately ignoring information presented
>
> >> Where have I allegedly done that, Aaron? I've exposed the holes in your
> >> so-called "proof". The remainder of your postings have consisted of
> >> invective, not "information".
>
> >>> is NOT victory,
>
> >> Irrelevant, given that victory hasn't been declared, Aaron.
>
> Note: no response.
>
> >>> shit-for-brains.
>
> >> As usual, the expected invective, and no logical argument from you.
>
> Note: no response.
>
> >>>>>>>>> shit-head
>
> >>>>>>>> You must really be hurting for a logical argument.
>
> >>>>>>> Just commenting on your inability to comprehend a logical argument.
>
> >>>>>> What alleged inability? You're the one who hasn't comprehended my
> >>>>>> logical argument, and you've not offered any counterargument, just
> >>>>>> immature invective.
>
> >>>>> PLease get a doctor to reroute your rectum away from your cranium.
>
> >>>> Another one of your so-called "explanations". Practice what you preach,
> >>>> Aaron.
>
> >>> This explanation is only about why you have failed to understand
> >>> the previous explanation.
>
> >> How ironic, coming from the person who has failed to understand the
> >> holes in the so-called "explanation" that I identified. Using your
> >> reasoning, nothing can be intuitive.
>
> > Pretending that the argument doesn't exist
>
> Where have I allegedly pretended that your "primitive tribesman"
> argument doesn't exist, Aaron? On the contrary, I acknowledged
> its existence by explaining the flaws in your reasoning.
>
> > is NOT victory, doofus.
>
> Irrelevant, given that victory hasn't been declared, Aaron.
>
> > You're still THE STUPIDEST person I've ever come across on the Internet
> > in 12 years.
>
> Incorrect; you have come across yourself, haven't you?
>
> > Did you go see the doctor for that cranial rectumotomy like I suggested?
>
> See what I mean about how you resort to invective when you lack a
> logical argument?
Truth hurts, doesn't it.
Deal with it, or fuck off.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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