Linux-Advocacy Digest #736, Volume #30 Fri, 8 Dec 00 08:13:02 EST
Contents:
Re: Nobody wants Linux because it destroys hard disks. ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever (Chris Ahlstrom)
Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever (Chris Ahlstrom)
Re: Red hat becoming illegal? (Chris Ahlstrom)
Re: Linux is awful ("Adam Short")
Re: A Microsoft exodus! ("Joe Malloy")
Re: Windows 2000 sucks compared to linux ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Linux is awful ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Of course, there is a down side... ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Windows review ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Windows review ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Just in case anybody is wondering about reliability ("Tom Wilson")
Re: Windows review ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: Nobody wants Linux because it destroys hard disks.
Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 07:26:20 -0500
Kyle Jacobs wrote:
>
> Because your trying to pass off this pathetic collection of free time
> projects, half-finished school final's, and a lot of broken promises as a
> computing platform, THAT'S why.
Actually, you don't get your MS or PhD without COMPLETING the project, MORON.
By the way, MODERN UNIX (you know, Solaris, HP-UX and IRIX especially)
are the same collection of "free time projects and half-finished
school finals"....and yet....when was the last time you heard about
Solaris, HP-UX and IRIX being dumped on for not working properly?
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: Chris Ahlstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever
Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 12:36:46 GMT
Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
>
> "T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >
> > Which version of Windows are you talking about? There is no "disable"
> > button for protocols on NT, and I don't recall seeing one on WinDOS,
> > either. I think you might be talking about disabling the binding of the
> > protocol to the adapter, rather than removing either the protocol or the
> > adapter. As you are so fond of saying, that's not what the discussion
> > is about.
>
> Yes there is. I already described this in detail, and will do so again.
>
> In NT4, go to network properties. Click the Bindings tab, choose "All
> protocols" from the "Show bindings for" drop down. Click on TCP/IP
> Protocol, and click the Disable button. Likewise there is an Enable button.
You guys say the same thing so well!
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C:\> REFORMAT MICROSOFT
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From: Chris Ahlstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever
Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 12:39:30 GMT
Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
>
> "Chris Ahlstrom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > We're not talking about obtainint root. In fact, obtainint root first
> would
> > > invalidate this claim.
> >
> > I knew you'd say that.
> >
> > How about this, if you don't mind paying a lot for the product:
> >
> > Invisible Keylogger Stealth for NT at http://www.amecisco.com/iksnt.htm
> >
> > Any user can install it locally, or you can install it remotely
> > using some tools in the NT Hacking Kit (also known as the NT Resource
> > Kit). Copy the software to %systemroot%\system32\drivers\scsi.sys (or
> some
> > other innocent-looking name. Then push the Registry changes to the remote
> > machine using regini.exe (from the NTRK). Then reboot the system using
> another
> > Microsoft-provided hacking tool, shutdown.exe:
>
> Sorry, but this is not something "any user can install" in a locked down
> system. Specifically, in a locked down system, standard users are prevented
> from installing device drivers (which is what this is). They don't have
> permissions to modify that registry.
>
> If you're logging in remotely with cleartext, remember, we're talking about
> a secure login here.
Ah, so the scenario has changed. Okay, I'm done. You might
consider learning rather than arguing.
Chris
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C:\> REFORMAT MICROSOFT
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From: Chris Ahlstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Red hat becoming illegal?
Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 12:41:52 GMT
Chad Myers wrote:
>
> "Chris Ahlstrom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> > >
> > > Get rid of Demoncrook WACKOS and the party will be devoid of leadership.
> > >
> > > It's pretty fucking sad for the Left wing when the "sanest"
> > > leader in their camp is that basket-case Ralph Nader.
> >
> >
> > Get rid of the Repubican wackos, and the party will be devoid of
> > members!
>
> Well, I'd rather have someone telling me that the 2nd Amendment
> WAS put in the Constitution for a REASON, than someone telling me
> that my toilet has too much water in it and that I must give it
> up for a smaller flush toilet.
It depends which side of Texas you live in. If the central/west
side, then having a low-volume toilet sounds like a good thing
to me, something that any sensible person would go along with
to help the rest of the community.
Chris
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From: "Adam Short" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.x,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux is awful
Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 12:46:44 -0000
What I think is interesting is that, as a side effect, people sometimes
learn things about the opposing viewpoint that they would otherwise not
know. This is sometimes useful to those who don't get too entrenched in
their own opinions (an admittedly small number I know), and are willing to
re-think their views in light of new evidence from others (an even smaller
number). In the post that sparked this little sideline off I was asking why
there appeared to be differences between what Windows does on my computer
and what it appears to do on other computers. It was a genuine question, not
an attempt at trolling, for which I have not received any answer. I honestly
wanted to know about this so that I could re-evaluate the weird things that
happen with windows on my machine. My opinion of Windows isn't very high
currently, but if people explain to me why its perceived shortcomings (to my
mind) are there, I'll certainly look at it again. I''m reading these posts
from a Linux newsgroup and its pretty rare to see any pro-windows comments
there at all. It would be nice to evaluate the pros and cons.
Anders M�rtsell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:90qf1q$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> "Adam Short" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:143Y5.2673$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > I guess he is a average Linux user, ie. Troll.....
> >
> > I know you may not be used to this, but this is what's known as a
> > "discussion", it means to look at ideas, to put forward arguments and to
> > deal with them objectively. It may have started out as a slightly
> half-assed
> > observation, but there are some good points coming out here, on both
> sides.
> >
> > A one line quip that isn't even grammatically correct, has very little
> place
> > in such a discussion.
> >
> > I happen to like Linux and dislike Windows. Thats my position and I'm
> simply
> > putting forward arguments for that position. If you don't like it, at
> least
> > come up with a sensible argument.
> >
>
> If you try to run a discussion on that subject, you are very likely to
have
> to cope with such quips. I think that this kind of discussion is no use,
> because no real Linux user will ever agree on that Windows could be useful
> for some tasks and vice versa. You could go on discussing forever, and no
> one will change their minds on this, it's all a matter of personal taste,
> and I don't think you can change that no matter for how long you discuss
it.
> However I was surprised to see that it was a Windows user who put in the
> "He's a troll" argument. From what I have seen, that's what linux users
tend
> to do when they run out of arguments, which is a petty, because I'm a
Linux
> fan myself.
>
> / Anders
>
>
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From: "Joe Malloy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 12:47:03 GMT
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> tholed in message
news:kI1Y5.19269$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> (Yes,
> that does presuppose an oven with a clock on the display.
> Are there any new models that don't have one of those built in?)
You don't know, Tholen? I do. Yes.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Windows 2000 sucks compared to linux
Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 07:52:12 -0500
kiwiunixman wrote:
>
> WTF would a financial institution use a Wintel server? the
> banks/financial institutions I know either use the trusty RS/6000 loaded
> with AIX, a Sun Enterprise Server, or a UNISYS Mainframe.
or an IBM S/390 or AS/400.
>
> kiwiunixman
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.x,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,alt.os.linux,alt.os.linux.mandrake
Subject: Re: Linux is awful
Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 07:58:49 -0500
Tom Wilson wrote:
>
> "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:0g%X5.3314$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > "Tom Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:q6_X5.6219$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > The 3 system heaps in 9x are kept in non-pageable memory. Their
> maximum
> > > > size is 64K. What you're suggesting is just not possible. If the
> heaps
> > > > were huge and pageable, then larger allocations and management would
> be
> > an
> > > > issue, but 64K, no matter how fragmented is virtualy instantaneous.
> > >
> > > That's what I've always been told. It doesn't explain away the situation
> > > described above, though. And, yes, the only memory leaks in my code were
> > > dropped GDI handles. Win9x does a better job than Win16, for certain,
> but
> > it
> > > isn't perfect. Nowhere close.
> >
> > In over 10 years of programming Windows, I've never seen this slowdown
> from
> > drained resources. If your app is slowing down, there is some other
> reason.
>
> I've exhausted every other possibility. I'm only telling you what I
> experienced. I've been hacking Windows since its' inception and this is the
> first time something like this has happened - (I'm ignoring the instances of
> this under Win3.11, BTW). As I said though, cleaning up dropped GDI handles
> eliminated the behavior.
>
The big question is...why doesn't the LoseDOS kernal perform GDI-handle
cleanup when an application terminates (either exit or crash) ????
it wouldn't be that hard to keep track of which process has what handle,
and free it when the process dies.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Of course, there is a down side...
Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 08:03:37 -0500
Tom Wilson wrote:
>
> "B. P. Uecker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Tom Wilson wrote in <msGX5.2276$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >
> > >For that matter, with all that funding and development time behind it, NT
> > >got its' ass kicked by a Unix clone built by a loosely coordinated band
> of
> > >hackers and some guy in Finland. Now that is SAD!
> >
> > Linux is a replacement for Netware in your dreams.
>
> Never said that it was. Read the thread....I said the a bunch of hackers and
> a guy in Finland produced an OS that beats NT in stability. Linux does beat
> NetWare on many levels, though. NetWare was nothing more than a simple
> server. Linux does far more. For that matter, so does NT. The problem I and
> others have with NT is that it doesn't do any of those things well.
>
> The whole point of this thread is to illustrate that NT was an abject
> failure. Perhaps 2000 finally raises the bar. I doubt it though.
>
> >The problem with
> > Linux (aside from the fact that open source development is a black
> > hole) is that it tries to be everything to everyone and masters
> > nothing. It is basically acceptable as a server platform but beyond
> > its circle of devotees (and dolts who who can do no better than parrot
> > slashdot) it has no mindshare. Linux on the desktop will never happen
> > and on the server end it is mainly a toy for easily distracted geeks
> > who will eventually find another bandwagon to hop on. I give it
> > another couple of years before it joins OS/2 in the trash heap. And
> > I'm a generous man.
>
> Linux will never be a desktop OS - I agree. Those who think this are a bit
> deluded.
Why not.
The entire auto industry (WORLDWIDE) uses Solaris/HP/AIX/IRIX as a
desktop OS. VERY successfully...and with minimal support staff compared
to LoseDOS. The ENTIRE Unix desktop support team for GM is 20 people
(not counting on-site hardware techs)....for 5,000-10,000 unix seats.
In comparison, the same number of Windows seats takes a couple HUNDRED
windows ADMINS.
>
> Linux on the server end - It appears that a massive nuber of geeks were
> distracted, doesn't it? This doesn't show any signs of abatement, either.
> The next bandwagon will probably be BSD. It certainly won't be a Microsoft
> product.
>
> The only way Linux will join OS/2 and NetWare is if they keep trying to
> market it as the be all and end all desktop solution. It has already shown a
> great deal promise in the dedicated application arena. Personally, I find it
> a more than viable embedded soulution. It'll be around for a long time in
> one form or another.Best get used to it.
>
> --
> Tom Wilson
> Registered Linux User #194021
> http://counter.li.org
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt,comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Windows review
Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 08:06:28 -0500
Kelsey Bjarnason wrote:
>
> [snips]
>
> "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:Bl_X5.40981$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> > > No I need to move four out of 25 text files within the same directory.
> > > Some of them have 30-40 character names, so I can't remember their exact
> > > names. Using a GUI file manager is at least as effective.
> >
> > What do you do when you are alternating back and forth between two or
> > more long directory paths in a GUI that only remembers one? A cli with
> > command recall and edit is faster for me in this common situation.
>
> 1) Open a copy of Windows Explorer, browse to the source folder
> 2) Select the files to copy
> 3) Right-click, "copy"
> 4) Open a second copy of Windows Explorer, browse to the target folder
> 5) Right-click, "paste"
> 6) Click or alt-tab to switch between the windows as needed for further
> operations
That sure is a tremendous fucking LOT Of work compared to:
$ mv a* b* c* new_directory
or
$ mv *.c *.h new_directory
or
$ mv *1999* depository
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt,comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Windows review
Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 08:06:36 -0500
Kelsey Bjarnason wrote:
>
> [snips]
>
> "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:Bl_X5.40981$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> > > No I need to move four out of 25 text files within the same directory.
> > > Some of them have 30-40 character names, so I can't remember their exact
> > > names. Using a GUI file manager is at least as effective.
> >
> > What do you do when you are alternating back and forth between two or
> > more long directory paths in a GUI that only remembers one? A cli with
> > command recall and edit is faster for me in this common situation.
>
> 1) Open a copy of Windows Explorer, browse to the source folder
> 2) Select the files to copy
> 3) Right-click, "copy"
> 4) Open a second copy of Windows Explorer, browse to the target folder
> 5) Right-click, "paste"
> 6) Click or alt-tab to switch between the windows as needed for further
> operations
That sure is a tremendous fucking LOT Of work compared to:
$ mv a* b* c* new_directory
or
$ mv *.c *.h new_directory
or
$ mv *1999* depository
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Tom Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Just in case anybody is wondering about reliability
Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 13:08:45 GMT
"SwifT -" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Fri, 8 Dec 2000, mlw wrote:
>
> > I don't know about anyone else, I heard that about the initial release
> > of Win2K, and we have heard the same about every release and SP of
> > NT/2K. This game of "The next service pack will be solid" got really old
> > back in NT 4.0 SP1. Does anyone seriously believe that MS has any
> > credibility when it comes to reliability?
>
> Since SP4, NT4 is stable enough. I bet it will be the same for 2K. It's
> just that 2K isn't ready yet for the big test (unless you pump several
> million $'s in it - like Microsoft does).
Time will tell, but if history is any indication, 2K will be service packed
to death the same as its' predecessor. After seeing it for so many years,
I'll have a hard time buying any statements to the contrary.
--
Tom Wilson
Registered Linux User #194021
http://counter.li.org
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt,comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Windows review
Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 08:09:07 -0500
"Anders M�rtsell" wrote:
>
> I've been following this thread for a while now, and earlier several like
> this one. Now I feel the urge to say something about discussions like this.
> I think it's interesting to see people discussing for hours/days about
> whether Linux or Windows is the better OS or, as in this case, whether you
> should use a GUI or the CLI. Everyone must know that everyone who takes part
> in such a discussion has already made up his/her mind about what's right,
> and noone will ever change their opinion. Therefore these kinds of
> discussions are mostly waste of time, but it's very interesting to read and
> study the different ways of argumentation. Wouldn't you all think that it's
> better spending you're time on something else than discussing with some
> stupid guy whether your superior opinion is better than his bullshit.
Having used GUIs since before Microshaft even considered the concept,
MY mind is made up based upon my EXPERIENCES with CLI vs. GUI.
GUIs are good for GRAPHICAL things...you know, like designing car parts,
or x-ray crystallagraphy.
Conversely, GUI's absolutely ****SUCK*** for mundane things like
moving files around.
>
> If it's not clear to you, my point is: Isn't it time to cut this crap now
> and get on with something important instead.
>
> Thanks
> / Anders
> "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:VI0Y5.41596$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > "Kelsey Bjarnason" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:pK%X5.10318$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > [snips]
> > >
> > > "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:Bl_X5.40981$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >
> > > > > No I need to move four out of 25 text files within the same
> directory.
> > > > > Some of them have 30-40 character names, so I can't remember their
> > exact
> > > > > names. Using a GUI file manager is at least as effective.
> > > >
> > > > What do you do when you are alternating back and forth between two or
> > > > more long directory paths in a GUI that only remembers one? A cli
> with
> > > > command recall and edit is faster for me in this common situation.
> > >
> > > 1) Open a copy of Windows Explorer, browse to the source folder
> > > 2) Select the files to copy
> > > 3) Right-click, "copy"
> > > 4) Open a second copy of Windows Explorer, browse to the target folder
> > > 5) Right-click, "paste"
> > > 6) Click or alt-tab to switch between the windows as needed for further
> > > operations
> >
> > And that is supposed to be easier? It looks like a several-minute job if
> > the directories are large and you have to wait for each to open and
> > then scroll around to select the files.
> >
> > Les Mikesell
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> >
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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