Linux-Advocacy Digest #261, Volume #31 Fri, 5 Jan 01 05:13:04 EST
Contents:
Re: Why NT? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Big government and big business: why not fear both - www.ezboard.com ("David
Brown")
Re: Profitability of Linux being a challenge ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: linux does NOT suck (oh yes it does) ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Something is / was 20-years BEHIND other OS vendors ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Why Hatred? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Red Hat dead/dying? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why NT?
Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 04:49:24 -0500
"R.E.Ballard ( Rex Ballard )" wrote:
>
> In article <%XW46.145505$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > R.E.Ballard ( Rex Ballard ) wrote:
> >
> > > Perceptions. The corporate executive decision maker who signs the
> > > checks rarely has "battlefield experience" with UNIX, Linux, or
> > > even NT servers. His primary knowledge generally consists of
> > > NT workstation and possibly mainframe or VMS experience.
> >
> > Back in my Digital days, UNIX was not seen by
> > marketing as an OS of choice,
> > as most _business_ customers
> > complained it was "hard to use".
>
> I've told this story a few times, but here it is again.
>
> When I was working at Computer Consoles back in 1983, we purchased
> some VAX 11/7x0 Minicomputers because we wanted to run Berkely 4.0
> on it (BSD had just released).
Actually, it was 4.2 or 4.3 BSD by that time.
Purdue recieved delivery of a CCI machine running 4.3 BSD Tahoe
in 1996.
>
> Unfortunately, the DEC reps got almost NO commission on BSD and
> HUGE commissions on VMS, not to mention huge commissions on VMS
> applications. The DEC rep saw 4 huge vaxen in our computer rooms
> but no $2 million bonus and commission checks.
>
> DEC published a fix tape for VMS and the DEC rep decided to come
> up and "FIX" the CCI vaxen. He came unannounced, managed to get
> upstairs and into the computer room, and proceeded to format
> the RM80 drive (which had root and /usr partitions on it) and
> installed VMS and applied the service pack.
>
> Of course, there were 200 users plugged into these machines (not
> much more powerful 80386/4 with 2 500 meg drives) who were suddenly
> all over the sysadmin because the computer was down.
>
> The sales rep looked so happy and proud. He said "I came here to
> fix up your VMS system and realized some hacker had been playing
> with the disk drive, so I reinstalled VMS and applied that bug fix.
I hope CCI lodged a complaint with DEC.
>
> The sysadmin smiled, walked the rep down to the guard's desk,
> and gently tugged the man's shoulder as he got the guard's attention.
> He then said to the guard; "Get to know this man's face very well.
> If he attempts to leave this desk without me present - shoot him!
Sounds appropriate.
>
> Eventually, the Rep would make an appointment to come, after hours,
> at which time, the sysadmin would remove the UNIX drive from the RM80
> and install a "dummy VMS pack" that couldn't even see the 6 300 meg
> CDC "washing-machine" drives sitting next to each processor.
>
> > > In fact, DEC laid off thousands of VMS people who were left without
> > > a market. Many simply learned what they could about NT and learned
> > > to create great powerpoint presentations, word documents, and excel
> > > spreadsheets. The really slick ones learned Project and Access.
> >
> > Thousands of VMS people? There weren't
> > that many working at Spitbrook.
> > A few hundred maybe. The rest of us (the thousands
> > you mention) with VMS skills moved on - in my case,
> > UNIX and Windows.
>
> According to the press releases DEC reduce the VMS staffing by over
> 3000 people. I believe the entire series of staffing cuts was nearly
> 5000 of 8000 from 1990 to the time of their merger with Compaq. This
> included sales, marketing, manufacturing, and field support.
>
> And yes, many of them did learn UNIX.
>
> > As for powerpoint/word/excel etc. yes, I use them,
> > but hardly enough to say I know them that well.
>
> You learned UNIX. I'd like to see Compaq do something exciting
> with True 64 on Alpha for around $2000. Sun is offering their
> Ultra 5 at about that same price-point.
>
> > Your comments come across as insulting propoganda, BTW.
>
> I think UNIX lovers and VMS lovers have a mutual respect
> for each other, but they get frustrated with each other's machines.
> I loved BLISS and RDB, but RMS and DCL were a PAIN!!!
>
> The other problem I had was when I had to supervise some VMS
> programmers who had written a very complex system in VAX BASIC.
> They literally had to tweak the code every single day.
> When the main programmer went on vacation, we had to call him
> on his cell phone to learn some of the magic spells (he actually
> changed code definitions twice a week).
>
> > > It didn't matter matter that their
> > > databases were twice as big as they
> > > should be, that their Project plans
> > > were nearly always "90% complete
> > > even when the project was 500% late,
> > > and 800% over budget. Even if
> > > you had to fire half the staff,
> > > you could bury the dead bodies and
> > > celebrate the eventual successful
> > > deployment (even if that deployment
> > > was ultimately to a UNIX system).
> >
> > The databases we used were Digital's RDB
> > (it was bought by Oracle), Oracle
> > and Informix, both running on Digital UNIX.
>
> Yes. Very nice system. RDB was one of the best
> parts of VMS. The overruns I was talking about
> were the NT projects which were based on estimates
> that were competitive with UNIX bids.
>
> > We tried to sell customers a MOTIF
> > style desktop but they were rejected -
> > why - COST! It was far cheaper to buy a
> > Windows 95 PC and use _that_ as a
> > front end.
>
> By the time Windows 95 had come out, web browsers
> were free and worked on everything from Windows 3.1
> to Windows NT (3.51) and Windows 95. Even better,
> it actually WORKED! Many thick client projects
> were canceled because DLL interactions and IPC
> incompatibilities between Windows 3.1, NT 3.51, and 95
> were making even simple dialogues a pain.
>
> The problem was that X11 for Windows 3.1 was horribly buggy
> (windows DLLs would crash), Windows 95 was only slightly
> better, and NT 4.0 had traffic limits. One of the earliest
> successes of Linux desktops was a site that used X11 for
> monitoring network traffic. Win95 on a large desktop machine
> failed. Windows NT on a huge desktop machine (128 meg RAM, 4 gig
> drive, 100/T LAN...) also crashed every few hours.
>
> Someone, mostly as a joke put Linux on an OLD laptop with about 32 meg
^^^^^^^
That wouldn't have been you, would it Rex ?? :-)
> of RAM, a 500 meg hard drive, and a 100 Mhz pentium, and let
> one of the administrators test it.
>
> When the team came back to get the laptop (since they hadn't heard
> anything, they figured the test had failed), the admin told them
> in no uncertain term that not only could the NOT have that laptop,
> but he wanted more just like it.
>
> The company was Southwest Bell and within a few months they had
> Linux running on over 100 workstations.
>
> > So we rewrote our massive text based front end as a GUI on Windows.
>
> Dedicated "Thick Client" GUI or Web browser interface?
>
> It's funny how "the curses program from hell" turns into a trivial
> CGI or "mod_perl" script.
>
> > > Hey, if you can get someone else to take the fall for reccomending
> > > Microsoft Windows for a project over UNIX or Linux, you can look
> > > good, get promoted, and get free trips to Redmond.
> >
> > Like I said, our customers did not want to spend money on UNIX. Linux
> > wasn't good enough then - the GUI wasn't developed enough.
>
> Linux was gaining acceptance as a server. The GUI was actually
> superior to Windows 3.1 or 3.51 but it took almost 4 months to emulate
> the Windows 95 desktop. Ironically, when users were given the
> choice between fvwm2, fvwm95, afterstep, and KDE, the "windows 95
> look and feel" wasn't that popular.
>
The ONLY think about the Lose95/98 GUI is that the mouse acceleration
is better. KDE seems to have only non-accelerated/accelerated movement,
whereas the MS products seem to have something like
non-accelerated/moderately-accelerated/fully-accelerated mouse movement.
> As a server, Windows 95 wasn't going to cut it, Windows 3.51 wasn't
> up to it either. Windows NT 4.0 really wasn't "ready for real work"
> until Service Pack 4 and even then only with about 1/2 GIG of RAM
> in the server.
>
> Windows 2000 is MUCH BETTER. But it still isn't near as good as
> Linux and UNIX are.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "David Brown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.fan.bill-gates,alt.destroy.microsoft,alt.microsoft.sucks
Subject: Re: Big government and big business: why not fear both - www.ezboard.com
Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 10:50:50 +0100
Aaron R. Kulkis wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>David Brown wrote:
>>
>>
>> No they can't - most users don't know if their modem is real or not.
>
>That's because they didn't bother to find out.
>
Some do try to find out. They ask the people at they computer shop before
buying - is this a real modem? And they guy in the shop says yea, sure it
is, even though he doesn't know. Many winmodems are very poorly marked, and
many system builders give their dealers too little information. For a great
many "complete" PC systems, the customer has very little information about
what is actually in the box, and even if their dealers are capable of
reading the manuals, they don't know either.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: Profitability of Linux being a challenge
Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 04:51:58 -0500
* wrote:
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
>
> > > > > and this is counter to my argument because..
> > > >
> > > > One person has used monopoly control of legacy systems (MS-DOS, then
> > > > Windows 3.1 then Windows 9x then NT) to force nearly everybody to use
> > > > Microsoft's operating system, whether they want to or not.
> > > >
> > > > Put simply Bill Gates has the power to say:
> > >
> > > [paranoid waxing snipped]
> > >
> > > umm. my argument was that any one individual cannot know what's best for
> > > everyone else.
> >
> > You must be unaware of the interview in which Gates spelled out
> > EXACTLY what Rex wrote about.
>
> completely and satisfyingly unaware.
Ignorance is bliss...right up until it catches up to you.
then...only in the end...do you understand.
>
> oh. and that's R.E. to you.
No...it's Rex to me.
>
> > > because you, or billy, think you know what's right for me doesn't mean you
> > > actually do.
> > >
> > > and that is counter to my argument because..
> >
> > You really are naive. Gates spelled out those goals PRECISELY
> > in an interview in the early 1990's.
>
> i would rather be naive then pointlessly dwelling on some decade old delusional
> waxing by a guy i don't care anything about.
Apparently you are also unaware of the observation:
"What is necessary for evil men to succeed is for good men to do nothing"
By remaining ignorant and doing nothing, you are assisting evil.
Complacency in the face of crime is abetting the crime.
>
> in other words, i would rather. not. be. you.
This is why you fail.
> but then that goes without saying. ehh.
>
> y'r pal -kK
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: linux does NOT suck (oh yes it does)
Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 04:53:02 -0500
Kyle Jacobs wrote:
>
> Listen, there IS a technology called "pattern detection" which works on Word
> macro viruses (to detect "suspect" patterns).
Of course, putting such functionality into a WYSIWYG editor so that it can
even carry a virus is the ultimate in LOUSY FUCKING DESIGN in the first place.
>
> Why can't pattern and behavior recognition be instituted into an intelligent
> recognition system to recognize the interdependencies, and MODIFY the
> previous configuration strings accordingly?
>
> I'm thinking an XML system meets heuristics detection from AV.
>
> "Roberto Alsina" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:932c5b$ju6$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > In article <9306l2$5sc$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > "Roberto Alsina" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:92vf9q$4hs$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > In article <92vark$i8r$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > > > "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > "Roberto Alsina" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > > news:92tcpa$fg4$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > > > In article <92t60a$cks$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > > > > > "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "Roberto Alsina" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > > >
> > > > > > [snip]
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > This way, the config file itself is the one who stores all
> > > > > > > > > the options. If a new version, with new options, comes out,
> > > > > > > > > the same tool, with absolutely no modifications, be able to
> > > > > > > > > handle it.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > And probably screw it to death. Really.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Not likely, not if both file & application are built correctly.
> > > > > > > Why would it screw it?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Because although it knows the options change, it has no idea of
> > > > > > HOW they change. For example, if optionA is now deprecated, and
> > > > > > those who set optionA to valueA should now set optionB to valueB,
> > > > > > it won't know, and it will (in Gus Grissom's words) screw the
> > > > > > pooch.
> > > > >
> > > > > The program doesn't need to remember the settings, it read them from
> > > > > the file.
> > > >
> > > > And the setting is still the old one.
> > >
> > > No, because when the program installed itself, it would either
> > > replace the file with a new, default one, or update the file format.
> >
> > So, you have the choice of losing the configuration or hope there's
> > a converting tool.
> >
> > > > > A new version will update the file, and should covert the old
> > > > > file format to the new format with more/less/updated options.
> > > >
> > > > No program ever comes with config file updaters.
> > >
> > > How hard would it be to write such a thing.
> > > Or be backward compatible?
> >
> > If you just expect them to be backward compatible, you end as smb.conf,
> > with a bazillion options that work and are more or less the same.
> >
> > And it can indeed be a terribly difficult thing to do.
> >
> > [snip some]
> >
> > > > The format is the same. The options are not.
> > >
> > > I know, so?
> > > It's the program's fault for keeping an old, no-longer-supported
> > > format, as its config file.
> >
> > Who cares? The user is still left with a non-functional setup.
> >
> > And this is really the easy part, still. What happens if you have
> > interdependent settings? For instance, What happens if a global
> > default setting changes the options available for others?
> >
> > For example:
> >
> > if A is "a", then B can be "1" or "2".
> > if A is "b", then B can be "3" or "4".
> > if A is "c", then B must be "5".
> >
> > A simple example of this is fstab (if partition type is swap, no
> > mount point can be specified, if fs is proc, it should default to
> > /proc and so on)
> >
> > Now, any ideas?
> >
> > Really, embedding the logic of the GUI into the file itself only makes
> > the file harder to manage, and doesn't fix the problem.
> >
> > Consider, example smb.conf that comes with SAMBA, compared to smb.conf
> > generated from scratch via SWAT.
> >
> > The SAMBA one is long, and has most options in, commented.
> > the SWAT one is short and simply does what it must.
> >
> > The SAMBA one is better if you intend to hack it without reading the
> > docs.
> >
> > The SWAT one is better for almost any other thing.
> >
> > --
> > Roberto Alsina
> >
> >
> > Sent via Deja.com
> > http://www.deja.com/
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: Something is / was 20-years BEHIND other OS vendors
Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 04:55:43 -0500
Les Mikesell wrote:
>
> "Kyle Jacobs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:_Zb56.146544$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > X is a Windowing system for UNIX and POSIX compliant platforms. The POSIX
> > standard for an X Windowing system is IEEE regulated, isn't it?
> >
> > If XFree86 complies with the IEEE standard for an X Windowing system by
> IEEE
> > standards, and because the IEEE does NOT recognize any other methods for a
> > graphical user interface, can we not therefor concider XFree86 a GUI?
>
> No, X is a protocol. It provides a mechanism for a GUI, not a policy.
>
> > With all other components to the GUI concidered just that; components?
>
> The other components *are* the GUI.
Ever get the feeling that Kyle is still in junior high school...
>
> Les Mikesell
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why Hatred?
Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 04:57:29 -0500
Tom Wilson wrote:
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Tom Wilson wrote:
> > >
> > > "Nick Condon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > Pete Goodwin wrote:
> > > > > WIN32 isn't always changing. It's being extended.
> > > >
> > > > He also wrote:
> > > > > In case you hadn't noticed, Windows API is always changing
> > > >
> > > > So which is it?
> > > >
> > > > An API is an Applications Programming Interface, if you stop to think
> for
> > > one
> > > > second before posting you will realise that an interface that is
> always
> > > > changing defeats the entire purpose of defining an interface.
> > >
> > > I think their purpose is to drive programmers using the WinAPIs to
> > > alcoholism or homicidal rages. Objects capable of blunt trauma, such as
> > > hammers, are kept hidden from us at work...No hooch to be found either.
> >
> > How about explosive substances?
>
> Yeah, our machines run NT. Why do you ask? <g>
There's no job worth doing if doesn't involve C4 in some way...
-- Combat Engineers' creed.
>
> --
> Tom Wilson
> Sunbelt Software Solutions
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc,comp.unix.solaris
Subject: Re: Red Hat dead/dying?
Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 04:58:58 -0500
Donn Miller wrote:
>
> James Hutchins wrote:
> >
> > http://www.wired.com/news/linux/0,1411,40513,00.html
>
> Typical business downsizing. I've always maintained that the best jobs
> were with universities doing research. At CMU (Carnegie Mellon
> University) in Pittsburgh, certain staff/research positions involving
> hacking on the Linux kernel, and getting paid to do it. That would be a
> decent job to have, seeing as to how a lot of people do hacking on the
> Linux kernel in their free time. I think universities should be doing a
> lot more of this. I say this because Berkeley produced a fine unix
> distribution like this, and I don't see why the trend couldn't
Actually, it wasn't just Berkely. A lot of BSD development also
happened at Purdue, MIT, Carnegie-Mellon and U of Illionois (Urbana-Champaign).
> continue. I'm not saying run the colleges' budgets dry developing
> Linux, BSD or whatever. Rather, unix open source development should be
> fit in where ever possible. The result is that they would get a return
> on their own research, that is, a great operating system for free.
>
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H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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