Linux-Advocacy Digest #300, Volume #31 Sat, 6 Jan 01 15:13:05 EST
Contents:
Re: open source is getting worst with time. (JM)
Re: open source is getting worst with time. (JM)
Re: Why NT? ("Todd")
Re: Does Linux envy Microsoft? ("Todd")
Re: Linux, it is great. ("Todd")
Re: Why Hatred? (Pete Goodwin)
Re: rt18139.c ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Linux is awful (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Almost 60% Surveyed Plan To Install Windows 2000 ("Todd")
Re: RPM Hell ("Todd")
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From: JM <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: open source is getting worst with time.
Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 18:51:36 +0000
On Fri, 05 Jan 2001 23:58:46 -0500, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
("Colin R. Day" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>JM wrote:
>> >That's odd. Baseball is much more popular than cricket in Japan and
>> >Laitn America. I don't recall cricket being an Olympic sport.
>>
>> And I don't recall cricket players needing giant gloves just to catch
>> an already over sized ball.
>But having a larger ball makes it harder to catch.
That's why it's harder to catch a beach ball than a marble.
>> >> The rest of the world plays Rugby whilst you play Gridiron
>> >Probably soccer more than rugby.
>> What's gridiron?
>American or Canadian football.
Oh, that shite where the players need about 36" of padding and big
thick helmets before they're allowed out. And the pitch is about 10
yards long.
>> >> And yes I do expect you to retain the kings/queens english! It is the
>> >> standard way of spelling words.
>> >Don't hold your breath.
>> Why not?
>I wouldn't want him to get anoxia. :-).
What's anoxia?
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From: JM <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: open source is getting worst with time.
Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 18:51:37 +0000
On Sat, 06 Jan 2001 09:28:48 GMT, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
("Tom Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>> Ever seen a game of rugby...no poofy pads and shit! now thats a real mans
>> sport!
>Played it a few times. It was fun. Chipped a tooth.
>Played cricket once, too. Very boring game...
Ever seen baseball? Now THAT'S boring. Every player's allowed to be
out about 50 times.
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From: "Todd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why NT?
Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 02:52:23 +0800
"Shane Phelps" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
>
> Todd wrote:
> >
> > "Shane Phelps" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >
> > >
> > > Todd wrote:
> > > >
> > > > "mlw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > > With operating systems as great as Linux and FreeBSD available for
> > free,
> > > > > why would anyone consider Windows NT Server?
> > > > >
> > > > > I can't think of a single reason why any responsible IT department
> > would
> > > > > deploy NT.
> > > >
> > > > Neither can I. We are deploying Windows 2000.
> > > >
> > > > Linux shouldn't be trying to compete with NT. Linux needs to be
able to
> > > > compete with 2000 - which I don't believe it can do yet, if ever.
> > > >
> > > > -Todd
> > > >
> > > W2K is actually NT 5, so this is a moot point :-)
> > >
> > > Could you please list some of the reasons you selected W2K over NT4?
> >
> > For workstation use:
> >
> > 1) Multi-language support ( *entry* and display )... most unices barely
> > support display, almost none support the mutli-locale entry methods.
Makes
> > supporting multiple countries a lot easier. This feature alone made it
> > worth it where I work in Asia.
> >
> > Server:
> >
> > 1) Better stability and robustness than NT. No more memory leaks.
> >
> > 2) Easier remote administration with terminal services.
> >
> > 3) Faster than NT and better SMP support.
> >
> > Those are just the biggies that I could think of at the top of my head.
> >
> > 2000 is just all-around better than NT. So far, no compatibilitiy
> > problems - but then, most software we use is either designed for or
> > certified for use with 2000.
> >
> > > I can't claim to have done any in-depth evaluation of W2K Server as
yet,
> > > but it doesn't appear at first glance to be all that much of an
> > > improvement over NT 4 Server.
> >
> > It is. Once you use it, you will see. Active directory alone is a huge
> > change - and a good one at that.
> >
> > > Are there any hidden compatibility gotchas (apart from SMB and RDP)
> > > which are likely to break NT 4 applications?
> >
> > Haven't found any yet... most NT software has already been patched if
the
> > need existed - 2000 has been out officially for almost a year now.
> >
> > -Todd
>
> Thanks for the summary. It's nice to see something objective on an
> advocacy NG for a change :-)
OOPS!! Sorry, guess I shoulda included a few "windows ROCKS" or "Linux
SUCKS" statements since this is advocacy :)
-Todd
> (dons asbestos underwaer)
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From: "Todd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Does Linux envy Microsoft?
Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 02:55:02 +0800
"Donovan Rebbechi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Fri, 5 Jan 2001 15:09:08 +0800, Todd wrote:
> >
> >"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> chrisv wrote:
> >> >
> >> > "Todd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > >
> >> > >Nope... appeals *will* overturn the verdict. MS did not break the
law.
> >> > >
> >> > >-Todd
> >> >
> >> > You're an idiot, Todd.
> >>
> >> Specifically, Todd Needham, Microshaft employee
> >
> >You Linux users are wrong many times. Here is another example.
>
> "You Linux users" may take offence if you confuse them with
> Mr Kulkis.
Sorry, I've come to learn that many Linux users are indeed nicer and smarter
than this Kulkis fellow. My apologies.
-Todd
>
> --
> Donovan Rebbechi * http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/ *
> elflord at panix dot com
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From: "Todd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux, it is great.
Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 02:57:29 +0800
"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Pete Goodwin wrote:
> >
> > Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
> >
> > > Todd wrote <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> > >
> > > More intimidation from Microshaft employees.
> >
> > Either that or you're paranoid.
>
> "someone is watching you" is a suggestion specifically designed to
> induce paranoia.
Actually, I think I typed that in when I was a little tipsy from the night
before :) :)
Just more anti-spam stuff.
If you really want my *real* email, just let me know and I will send it to
you.
-Todd
> Also, to fully process the sentance, it taps the
> imagination, which basically means, it it trance-inducing, which
> makes it even more effective as a paranoia-inducing line.
>
> I'm
>
> >
> > What have you got to hide?
>
> Why does Microsoft think anyone has to hide that compels them to put
> spy-on-the-user code in their products?
>
>
>
> > Why should you be intimidated by someone watching what you do?
>
> Mind if I put a bunch of web-cam around the interior of your house,
> with explosive-charges that can be detonated if you *EVER* tamper
> with any of them...
>
>
> > Are you (...gasp...) doing something you shouldn't be doing?
>
> Are you?
>
> >
> > --
> > Pete, running KDE2 on Linux Mandrake 7.2
>
>
> --
> Aaron R. Kulkis
> Unix Systems Engineer
> DNRC Minister of all I survey
> ICQ # 3056642
>
>
> H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
> premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
> you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
> you are lazy, stupid people"
>
> I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
> challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
> between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
> Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
>
> J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
> The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
> also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
>
> A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
>
> B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
> method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
> direction that she doesn't like.
>
> C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
>
> D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
> ...despite (C) above.
>
> E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
> her behavior improves.
>
> F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
> adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
>
> G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why Hatred?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 18:59:27 +0000
Tom Wilson wrote:
> > Tom Wilson wrote:
> >
> > > You obviously don't do much in the way of Windows development.
> >
> > Six years with Visual C++
> > Four years Delphi.
> >
> > And now writing audio device drivers with WDM.
> >
> > Obviously not enough.
>
> So many people post here that aren't what they seem.You run into a lot of
> wannabes around here. If the above is true, I humbly apologise.
Thank you.
> > And so was OpenVMS. You tried working with $DESCRIPTOR with C?
>
> No, but I've heard some horror stories regarding it from those who've had
> the opportunity. My only programming forray into VMS-land was with RPG-II
> and COBOL - Maintaining some simple payroll stuff.
>
> I hate both languages passionately, BTW.
You hate both C and C++, is that right?
> > MFC works well enough, if you like the straight jacket they apply to
> > applications. Some of the general purpose stuff ain't that bad.
>
> I resorted to wrapping the API into classes myself because the
> "straitjacket" among other reasons. Some of the more arcane areas, which I
> unfortunately had to deal with, are incompletely or inaccurately
> documented. Cross-platform inconsistancies are a big problem (An API
> issue, really.). There seems to be a great deal of memory leakage too.
> (And I'm not talking about CString, either. Picking on it would be far too
> easy <g>)
When I came across Delphi 1.0 (a free copy stuck on a CD on the front of a
magazine), I went out and bought V2.0. I've not looked back. It's class
library, VCL, is _so_ much better than MFC. It's truly object based as
opposed to the thin wrapper around WIN32 that most of MFC is.
> The shop I hack for now has officially been declared an MFC-free zone. Now
> if we could figure out a way to rid ourselves of the WTL...<g>
I created some applications for the company I work for with Delphi. They
felt that I created them much faster than with Visual C++. Then someone
wanted multi-lingual versions and things went a bit awry.
I've started using C++ Builder V5.0 a lot more (a C++ version of Delphi)
and it appears to be as robust as Delphi (my previous experience with
earlier versions was not pleasant).
What should be very interesting is when Borland release Kylix, a cross
development version of Delphi/C++ Builder that works on both Windows and
Linux.
--
Pete, running KDE2 on Linux Mandrake 7.2
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: rt18139.c
Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 17:51:29 +0200
> >mkdir /temp
> >mcopy a:/linux/rtl8139.c /temp
> >mcopy a:/linux/trans /temp
> >cd /temp
> >chmod 777 trans
a: ???
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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux is awful
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 19:02:19 +0000
Form@C wrote:
> It's a sad and expensive world isn't it? I daren't upgrade to a 17"
> monitor yet (like you, desk not strong enough!). IMHO that is the smallest
> size needed to use 1280x1024 (that's the combination I'm currently using
> at work).
>
> LCDs ** d r e a m ,,,, **
I came from Ultrix and OpenVMS workstations with 21" screens and 1280 x
1024 resolution. I currently use a 17" screen with 1024 x 768 resolution.
At first I thought I couldn't live with that low resolution, but you get
used to it.
Roll on cheap LCD displays! 8)
--
Pete, running KDE2 on Linux Mandrake 7.2
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From: "Todd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Almost 60% Surveyed Plan To Install Windows 2000
Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 03:02:25 +0800
"Larry R" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> I don't know who they surveyed, but I don't believe them. Excerpt from
> Information Week email subscription:
>
>
> ** Almost 60% Surveyed Plan To Install Windows 2000
Not only are we planning to go with Windows 2000 100%, but we are going with
the multi-language version on all 100,000 desktops... a lot of revenue for
MS.
It's the only way to go if you are multinational... UNIX can't touch that
capability. And yes, we have our own UNIX version. It isn't close to 2000
in language capabilities. Linux isn't even in the ballgame in that regard.
Can't compete whatsoever.
-Todd
>
> More than half of InformationWeek readers are either running Windows
> 2000, installing the Microsoft operating system, or plan to deploy
> the software by the middle of this year, according to a survey of
> 232 IT managers. Enterprise Management Associates Inc., a market
> research firm, conducted the November 2000 telephone survey of
> InformationWeek subscribers who have technology or budget
> responsibility for Windows 2000 in their companies.
>
> According to the survey, due to be released in March, 13.8% of IT
> departments are running Windows 2000 in production environments, and
> another 9% are rolling out the operating system in production.
> Microsoft shipped Windows 2000 Professional, Server, and Advanced
> Server editions last February; the high-end DataCenter Server
> edition shipped in August. Microsoft has said adoption of its new
> server systems, among the most complex software the company has ever
> delivered, will increase this year as companies complete lengthy
> planning and testing cycles.
>
> The EMA study shows that 57.3% of respondents plan to install
> Windows 2000 eventually?about half of them (28.9%) within six
> months. Another 19.4% say they have no plans to upgrade to the
> system. Sponsors of the survey include BindView, Cognet, Computer
> Associates, EDS, FastLane Technologies, Hewlett-Packard, Intel,
> NetIQ, Unisys, and Veritas.
>
> Among a narrower sample of 100 IT managers at companies with 1,000
> or more employees that are either running or deploying Windows 2000,
> or plan to deploy within six months, 23% of respondents say their
> Windows 2000 rollouts are part of regular upgrade cycles, and 21%
> say they're upgrading to achieve better system reliability. Sixteen
> percent of respondents say their decision was driven by application
> software that requires the new software. Other reasons cited include
> staying current with industry standards and the competition (18%)
> and better security (11%).
>
> But installing Windows 2000 is expensive, IT managers say. According
> to the 100 respondents with complete, current, or near-term upgrade
> projects, 51% cite cost as a barrier or challenge to migration?the
> No. 1 reason cited. Hardware costs are the most frequent complaint,
> cited by 22% of respondents, followed by software (17%). In
> addition, 39% of IT managers name difficult migration of servers as
> a challenge. The most common difficulty in that case: limited
> expertise on staff, cited by 15% of respondents. - Aaron Ricadela
>
> System & Network Administrator
> lrosen at att dot com
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From: "Todd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: RPM Hell
Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 03:00:24 +0800
"kiwiunixman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> rpm -i --nodeps --replace *.rpm
Now *that's* intuitive.
-TOdd
>
> kiwiunixman
>
> "BradyBear" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Well, I decided to give KDE 2.0.1 a shot. So I downloaded all the
> > relevent rpm,s. But before I can install my shiny new desktop, I need
> > to install the latest version of QT. So, I go grab QT2.2.3. Great. Got
> > the rpm, type rpm -i and I get failed dependancies... qt needs lib.so
> > this and that etc. So I do a search on rpmfind and find three packages
> > that I need. Package one needs me to upgrade rpm. So I go get the rpm
> > update. Package one now installs. Package two still needs another
> > lib.so.etc. Installing pakage three will break App A. So now I need
> > to upgrade App A and the whole damn thing starts over (more failed
> > dependencies, more broken app's) and the whole thing escalates
> > exponentially until I've basically had to update the whole damn OS.
> > The whole time I'm doing this, I keep thinking of the last line from
> > the movie "The Bridge over the River Kwie" ... Madness...Madness.
> > And it seems appropriate. Build a bridge so you can blow it up.
> > That's Linux
>
>
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