Linux-Advocacy Digest #374, Volume #31 Wed, 10 Jan 01 19:13:03 EST
Contents:
Re: Linux a non-starter at CES ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: kernel problems ("Nigel Feltham")
Re: Linux a non-starter at CES ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Does Linux envy Microsoft? (Ed Allen)
Re: KDE Hell ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Linux misseery cont. (Jim Broughton)
Re: Linux is crude and inconsistant. (.)
Ballmer says Linux is Microsoft's No. 1 Threat ("Adam Warner")
Re: Linux 2.4 Major Advance ("Nigel Feltham")
Re: Why Hatred? (Steve Mading)
Re: KDE Hell (Kyle Jacobs)
Re: KDE Hell (Kyle Jacobs)
Re: Duh! ->was: Linux is crude and inconsistant. (Kyle Jacobs)
Re: Why Hatred? (Steve Mading)
Re: Linux is crude and inconsistant. (Kyle Jacobs)
Re: Linux is crude and inconsistant. (Kyle Jacobs)
Re: kernel problems (Kyle Jacobs)
Re: KDE Hell (Craig Kelley)
Re: Why does Win2k always fail in running time? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: KDE Hell (Craig Kelley)
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux a non-starter at CES
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 17:52:36 -0500
Todd wrote:
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Tim Hanson wrote:
> > >
> > > An interesting article by Kevin Reichard appeared in Linux Planet today,
> > > about how Linux appeared to be a no-show at CES this year:
> > >
> > > http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/opinions/2875/1/
> > >
> > > I wrote the following response:
> >
> > --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> --------------
> > > Subject:CES
> > > Date:Mon, 08 Jan 2001 13:55:32 -0800
> > > From: Tim Hanson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >
> > > The real story would have been to interview some of those PR people from
> > > companies who have products utilizing Linux who didn't mention it. I'll
> > > bet you would come up with not-very-plausible excuses and sudden
> > > generalities. I'm not a reporter, so I don't have the contacts or the
> > > writing style, but I would be willing to bet that some of those
> > > exhibitors were instructed not to upstage Gates with his XBox by
> > > mentioning Linux.
> > >
> > > I think the freeze is on. It probably has something to do with the
> > > sudden gas pains at Corel when mentioning their "Linux Strategy," at
> > > Transmeta for muzzling Linus' distaste for Windows, at Adobe for pulling
> > > Framemaker, at Inprise/Borland for suddenly deemphasizing Kylix, and
> > > many others. This is Microsoft's classic behavior, to isolate and
> > > exterminate.
> > >
> > > It is a situation which cries out for some vocal advocacy. Please don't
> > > let this go.
> >
> > That's the WHOLE point of the movie ANTI-TRUST, which hits theaters
> > this month....
>
> And it's going to be a tragedy ending for MS haters.
>
Especially when M$ gets broken up.... later this year.
> -Todd
>
> >
> >
> > --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> --------------
> > >
> > > Does anyone else see a freeze on?
> > > --
> > > Yes, but every time I try to see things your way, I get a headache.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Aaron R. Kulkis
> > Unix Systems Engineer
> > DNRC Minister of all I survey
> > ICQ # 3056642
> >
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Nigel Feltham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: kernel problems
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 22:50:48 -0000
>> You might want to try getting a hobby, or getting laid.
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>There's a reason flat-head has so much time....
>
Probly doing his hobby and getting laid at the same time
while typing his bullshit with the other hand.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux a non-starter at CES
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 17:53:59 -0500
Pete Goodwin wrote:
>
> Charlie Ebert wrote:
>
> > That is until the breakup is ordered.
>
> Is that gonna be any time in this millenium?
>
Actually, the breakup was already ordered...there's merely a stay,
which will be rescinded once the appeals court sees that M$'s
witnesses spent 80% of their time on the stand committing perjury.
> --
> Pete, running KDE2 on Linux Mandrake 7.2
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ed Allen)
Subject: Re: Does Linux envy Microsoft?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 23:01:00 GMT
In article <93h8ni$e8g$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Todd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>"Ed Allen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:939g9t$k3d$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> In article <938p0f$9de$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>> Todd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >
>> >The bottom line is this: you want MS split as the courts decided.
>> >
>> >This will not happen. MS will get their way. YOU will not have your
>way.
>> >Linux is going to have to compete with one MS, not through the courts.
>> >
>> What is this ? Microsoft competing through the courts ?
>>
>> "Microsoft is reportedly joining a group of Web-based travel agents
>> who will ask the Justice Department to investigate possible antitrust
>> violations by the nation's airlines."
>>
>> http://abcnews.go.com/sections/travel/DailyNews/onlineagents990310.html
>>
>> Microsoft should just "compete harder" instead of "whining to the
>> courts."
>
>I agree.
>
The point is that Microsoft *never* competes. They always find
another way and if they cannot "leverage"(that is the term that their
executives use for threating other companies) their Windows
monopoly.
If they have no "leverage" then they buy the number two or three company
in a new market and throw a huge advertising campaign to capture
customers who were using the number one.
If that number one is big enough to ride out the rough times which
follow the ad campaign till the return of customers who realize that
the "New Microsoft Solution" is just what the number two offered
before with some cosmetic changes then is when they squawk for
federal assistance.
Lest you think that I don't have modus operandi figured out:
"Gates telephoned the chairman of the Federal Communications
Commission last week to urge a close examination of America Online"
http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,2666228,00.html
Microsoft executives are terrified of actually competing.
Competitive pricing would mean W2K server with no license
restrictions for $200.00 retail and Win98 for $10.
Revenue in that range would deflate their stock and lose lots of
them their millionaire status.
--
"Bank of America Chief Executive David Coulter recently suggested that
if he had one silver bullet, he would use it for Microsoft."
- LESLIE HELM, LA Times
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: KDE Hell
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 18:00:16 -0500
Donn Miller wrote:
>
> Charlie Ebert wrote:
>
> > I agree as of the 2.2 linux kernel era.
> >
> > But we have 2.4 now and there's little incentive to use
> > FreeBSD now that 2.4 is released.
>
> Wait till Whistler is released. Then there'd be little incentive to use
> FreeBSD or Linux.
Same song/different day..
"Wait till [next windows product]....it will be better than Unix...promise!"
however, once next_windows_product is delivered...it always trips 3 steps
out of the starting gate...where upon the chorus erupts with "wait until
next_next_windows_product.
Considering that we're now talking about what is, in the series,
next_next_next_next_next_next_windows_product, and that M$ has
NEVER delivered on it's promises to get the fucked-up-things
straightened out until AT LEAST [current M$ product + 2], on
what basis do you think Whistler will deliver what M$ is advertising
it will?
M$ said in 1994 that Neutered Technology would have multi-user
capability...and yet, M$ still hasn't gotten beyond
a) one-at-a-time users with seperate "profiles" (whoop-de-do...
I can do that with a SINGLE USER ACCOUNT on a unix system)
and
b) multi-CLIENT (which is nothing close to multi-user).
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: Jim Broughton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux misseery cont.
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 23:02:34 GMT
LINUX ANONYMOUSE wrote:
>
> It amases me every time that someone tends to object to linux that
> everyone insults him. I personally use slackware linux and sometimes
> find it very annoying to configure as well. As for the GUI I totally
For a person that wants more point and click configuration I find it
hard to belive that you run the distribution that requiers the most
by hand configuration. If you want pointy clicky config try red hat
and use linuxconf under X.
> agree..... AKA IT SUCKS. I have yet to find a GUI that is easy to
> configure linux, click and point easy, and very user friendly. Every
> GUI I have ever encountered in linux has alway... yes I do mean always
I dunno about you but I find kde 1.1.2 very usable and configurable.
I have it setup to my tastes and it suits me just fine.
> given me either hours of headaches or it very very very difficult to
> get to set up this is of course speaking of the source installation
> meathod. I also find that there is a bunch of crackheads writing for
hmmm ./configure then make then make install. How damn easy do you
want it to be. One click will probably be your answer.
> linux. Linux needs some sort of standardization in order to make it
> big with the standard non-techy user.
>
This is about the only thing I can agree with you on. A standard for
package installation and distribution BUT then again linux is a
system that offers choices (would you have it be a complete windows
clone?)
> And Yes I do like linux because of its very fast and stable kernel.
> I'm just saying it could improve its looks. Come on how can you
> honestly say that Gnome is a very good environmnet or KDE isn't that
> good ither. yes they are very very fast and stable but they look
> terrible. I think that is the reason why windows sells so good is
Mine looks fine. I'm using truetype fonts and they do look great.
Look for an easier to install and setup font anti aliasing in a
very soon to come release of Xfree86.
> because it hides the ugly background and poor system while wrapping it
> up in a pretty package so a child can use it.
>
So what you really want is linux to hide the background and be pretty
just so a person with the mentality of a child can use it?
> Sent via Deja.com
> http://www.deja.com/
My final question is WHATS YOUR POINT?
--
Jim Broughton
(The AmigaOS now there was an OS!)
If Sense were common everyone would have it!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.)
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: Linux is crude and inconsistant.
Date: 10 Jan 2001 23:03:40 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On 10 Jan 2001 21:28:57 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.) wrote:
>>Call up 10 fortune 100 companies and ask whoever answers the phone
>>if they know where Guam is.
> You have so little faith in humanity.
I did tech support for a long time, years ago. I know *exactly*
how much faith to have in humanity.
>>I dont expect you to get the point, claire, so dont even attempt to
>>wrap your pygmie brain around it. It was meant for everyone else.
> The point is that there are virtually no companies running Linux on
> the desktop or on their mobile platforms.
> Virtually none.
I wasnt addressing you with this point, I thought id made that clear.
=====.
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From: "Adam Warner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Ballmer says Linux is Microsoft's No. 1 Threat
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 12:11:58 +1200
http://www.techweb.com/wire/story/TWB20010110S0006
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From: "Nigel Feltham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux 2.4 Major Advance
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 23:15:02 -0000
>With a kernel-mode HTTP server that no one would ever use in the real
world?
>So what?
>
>IIS kicks everyone else, including Apache. Who cares about a cheesy
kernel-mode
>server.
Kernel 2.4 has built-in http server which can work together with Apache -
the kernel
server for static pages and apache for active page sections - why wouldn't
anyone
want to do this - huge speed gains (depending on ratio of active and static
content)
with no loss of features.
>You're the one that doesn't read the news and attempts to debate me with
>months-old news, and claims that Linux supports things that it only does so
>in a beta/unsupported/non-stable way. You also claim that Linux is fast
>because someone decided to put a server in the kernel which isn't
practical.
>
MS is also unstable - calling half-finished code a release and then using
service
updates to try to finish the product once sold is hardly any better than
using
early test releases of product which admits to being unfinished.
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From: Steve Mading <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why Hatred?
Date: 10 Jan 2001 23:20:58 GMT
Erik Funkenbusch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: I don't fear Linux. In fact, I run my web server under Linux. I simply
: don't find Linux useful as a desktop system today, and get annoyed when
: Linux zealots insist that Linux can replace Windows today. It can't. If it
: could, I'd be using it.
Can you comprehend the difference between "X can do Y", and "I use X to
do Y"? Just because YOU don't use it that way doesn't imply it can't
be used that way. Pretending that your personal needs are identical
to everyone else's is a common error when extrapolating from anecdotal
evidence to the general case.
: Just like I used my Amiga over DOS, OS/2 over
: Windows 3.1, and Windows 95 over OS/2, and Windows 2000 over Windows 9x (I
: still used Win98 primarily until Win2k came out. Although since then I have
: at least one NT4 box hanging around) when each proved themselves more useful
: to me.
: Fact is, as long as Linux must be maintained by through text files, it's not
: going to be able to replace Windows.
There is a difference between "able to" and "likely to". Learn it.
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From: Kyle Jacobs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: KDE Hell
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 23:29:17 GMT
In article <93ik9d$rj4$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.)
wrote:
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Kyle Jacobs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> SMP under Linux levels off after four processors, similar to FreeBSD.
>
>> Real SMP support is found under Commercial UNIX's,
>
> Agreed, and as a reminder, I am not saying in anyway that linux is
> better than freebsd, or the other way around.
>
>> and Windows NT.
>
> AAAAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
This is where you come off as a tad, ah, obsessed. It's a fact, Windows
NT supports SMP better than Linux does (including the new 2.4 series,
which "levels off at 4 CPU's). Windows 2000 supports SMP even better than
Windows NT did.
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From: Kyle Jacobs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: KDE Hell
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 23:31:48 GMT
Have you actually USED Windows NT 4? Or are you personally still stuck up
over how you were scorned and hurt by Windows NT 3?
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Donn Miller wrote:
>>
>> Charlie Ebert wrote:
>>
>> > I agree as of the 2.2 linux kernel era.
>> >
>> > But we have 2.4 now and there's little incentive to use FreeBSD now
>> > that 2.4 is released.
>>
>> Wait till Whistler is released. Then there'd be little incentive to
>> use FreeBSD or Linux.
>
> Same song/different day..
>
> "Wait till [next windows product]....it will be better than
> Unix...promise!"
>
> however, once next_windows_product is delivered...it always trips 3
> steps out of the starting gate...where upon the chorus erupts with "wait
> until next_next_windows_product.
>
> Considering that we're now talking about what is, in the series,
> next_next_next_next_next_next_windows_product, and that M$ has NEVER
> delivered on it's promises to get the fucked-up-things straightened out
> until AT LEAST [current M$ product + 2], on what basis do you think
> Whistler will deliver what M$ is advertising it will?
>
> M$ said in 1994 that Neutered Technology would have multi-user
> capability...and yet, M$ still hasn't gotten beyond a) one-at-a-time
> users with seperate "profiles" (whoop-de-do...
> I can do that with a SINGLE USER ACCOUNT on a unix system)
> and b) multi-CLIENT (which is nothing close to multi-user).
>
>
>
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From: Kyle Jacobs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Duh! ->was: Linux is crude and inconsistant.
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 23:34:57 GMT
Having them all bundeled togather prevents the massive array of useless,
piddeling software available for a platform, like Linux.
How the hell many news readers do I need when PAN barely suffices?
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Chris Ahlstrom
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, 09 Jan 2001 01:09:28 GMT, "Kyle Jacobs"
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> >No, according to the post, it states
>> >
>> >"Duh! -> was: Linux is crude an inconsistent."
>>
>> And it is. Why do I have to click once sometimes and twice other times?
>> Why does my mouse behave one way with one application and another way
>> with a different application? Why do some web pages look ok but others
>> look like crap? They all look ok under Windows. Why do fonts appear in
>> some applications but not in others? And on and on and on and on....
>
> Also sounds quite like the various incarnations of Windozzzzzzzz and the
> various applications that run on Windozzzzzzzzz.
>
> You seem to be confused about the difference between an operating
> system, a GUI, a browser, and other applications. Oh, I forgot,
> Megalosoft tries to bundle them all together for you.
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From: Steve Mading <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why Hatred?
Date: 10 Jan 2001 23:33:15 GMT
Erik Funkenbusch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: That depends. I'd say it's not well documented. What if you don't know
: what a default gateway is, or what multicast routing is, or what an NIS
: client is? What exactly ARE the "Flags for rwhod"? or the named flags?
: Yes, there are comments which mention something, but I'd hardly call that
: "well documented".
Not all documentation should live in one spot. Nobody who already knows
those things wants to wade through that crap to find the thing they
need to change. For someone who knows what they are doing already,
the comments tell them the proper syntax to express it to the system.
For someone who doesn't already know what those things mean, go
to the /usr/doc directory for the long-winded documentation. (If you
don't know what an NIS client is, you can't easily explain it all in
a few paragraphs, so putting that in the file itself is too verbose.)
Don't try to get into a dick-waving contest about documentation
between Windows and Unix. Terse descriptions aren't nearly as
annoying as the non-existant technical descriptions you (don't) get
through Windows' installed docs.
------------------------------
From: Kyle Jacobs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux is crude and inconsistant.
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 23:37:42 GMT
He has NO faith in humanity, because he doesn't get to deal with it on a
routine basis.
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On 10 Jan 2001 21:28:57 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.) wrote:
>
>
>>Call up 10 fortune 100 companies and ask whoever answers the phone if
>>they know where Guam is.
>
> You have so little faith in humanity.
>
>
>>I dont expect you to get the point, claire, so dont even attempt to wrap
>>your pygmie brain around it. It was meant for everyone else.
>
> The point is that there are virtually no companies running Linux on the
> desktop or on their mobile platforms. Virtually none.
>
>
>
>>
>>
>>
>>-----.
>
> Flatfish Why do they call it a flatfish? Remove the ++++ to reply.
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From: Kyle Jacobs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux is crude and inconsistant.
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 23:39:57 GMT
In article <93ipoc$q7b$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.)
wrote:
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> On 10 Jan 2001 21:28:57 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.) wrote:
>
>
>>>Call up 10 fortune 100 companies and ask whoever answers the phone if
>>>they know where Guam is.
>
>> You have so little faith in humanity.
>
> I did tech support for a long time, years ago. I know *exactly* how
> much faith to have in humanity.
Let me guess, all those people who needed help were just too much for you,
so you went clammoring back to a world without humans.
>
>>>I dont expect you to get the point, claire, so dont even attempt to
>>>wrap your pygmie brain around it. It was meant for everyone else.
>
>> The point is that there are virtually no companies running Linux on the
>> desktop or on their mobile platforms. Virtually none.
>
> I wasnt addressing you with this point, I thought id made that clear.
Oh yes, because the staff at ABCNews really likes to fiddle with their
laptops and download themes for sawmill/fish/whatever the hell they're
calling it TODAY.
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From: Kyle Jacobs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: kernel problems
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 23:42:27 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Kyle's problem is that he believes in paying premium prices for the
> plate o' shit.
If people like me didn't do that, people like you would be out of a job.
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From: Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: KDE Hell
Date: 10 Jan 2001 16:48:29 -0700
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> On Wed, 10 Jan 2001 19:54:03 GMT, BradyBear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
>
> >I actually like CDE more than KDE as a desktop. When I run a desktop
> >under Linux. Usually, I just start X and type MWM. Very stable and
> >uncluttered. And you can still run Kwhatever if you want to. I've just
>
> I like CDE under AIX as well.
But you don't like Enlightenment.
Strange.
--
The wheel is turning but the hamster is dead.
Craig Kelley -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.isu.edu/~kellcrai finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP block
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: Why does Win2k always fail in running time?
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 18:48:27 -0500
"Donal K. Fellows" wrote:
>
> Kyle Jacobs wrote:
> > Why? Because their human.
>
> You seem to be missing some words from the end of that second sentence.
> Or did you mean "they're" instead of "their"?
Donal...what do you expect from someone who's still in grade school?
>
> Donal (cheap-shots 'R' us)
> --
> Donal K. Fellows http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~fellowsd/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> -- "I'm going to open a new xterm. This one's pissing me off" Anon. (overheard)
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: KDE Hell
Date: 10 Jan 2001 16:47:58 -0700
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> On 10 Jan 2001 08:39:31 -0700, Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
>
> >Orgy? Functionless?
>
> I can drag a menu item tight off the start menu or any other menu
> under Windows and put it anywhere.
>
> How do I do that under Enlightenment?
>
> Edit some obtuse config file, that's how.
>
> Sure sounds like functionless to me.
>
> Orgy?
>
> Maybe for the Penguinista's because they love editing files.
Pardon me, but we were talking about GNOME and KDE (see subject
line). Both can do this just fine.
I still have no idea where the 'orgy' part comes in.
--
The wheel is turning but the hamster is dead.
Craig Kelley -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.isu.edu/~kellcrai finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP block
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