Linux-Advocacy Digest #574, Volume #31 Fri, 19 Jan 01 12:13:02 EST
Contents:
Re: What really burns the Winvocates here... (Salvador Peralta)
Re: Windows curses fast computers (Salvador Peralta)
Re: Windows curses fast computers (.)
Re: NSTL, and where are the Winvocates now? (Aaron Ginn)
Re: Poor Linux (.)
Re: Win2k vs Linux? Why downgrade to Linux? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: New Microsoft Ad :-) ("JS PL")
Re: New Microsoft Ad :-) ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Poor Linux ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Would Linux be invented if? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: "Linux is no Windows killer" ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: New Microsoft Ad :-) ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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From: Salvador Peralta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: What really burns the Winvocates here...
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 08:11:36 -0800
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Pete Goodwin wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > I'm not so sure. You need to remember that you are probably installing
> > *many* more packages with mandrake than with a winstall. I found the
> > Mandrake 7.x installs to be as easy or easier to install than windows,
> > esp. when you factor in the number of programming languages, servers,
> > databases, security tools etc. that you can include with the install.
> > Disk partitioning is certainly no more difficult in mandrake or redhat (
> > at least it is an option, which is not always the case on windows ).
>
> I might agree with you except for me recent experience where things
> didn't quite work the way I expected.
You should have seen the hell I went through on a recent w98 install
where windows didn't recognize the full disk size of my HD and just
ended without ever entering the winstall. Even the manufacturer of the
pc couldn't get it to work. I had no problem installing and running
linux on that disk, but I had to buy a whole new HD to get windows to
work.
Problems can occur with any OS install.
> > Is that anything like using Ctrl-F to find something in wordpad, but
> > needing to go to the dropdown menu in notepad because Ctrl-F simply
> > doesn't work? Compare that with regex's. The ones that I use in perl
> > are identical to the ones i use in vi, python etc. Throw in a lotus
> > Notes client on your win desktop, and you run into the same problem on
> > windows that you complain about in linux. Build a windows application
> > using Tk and you run into the same problem.
>
> Take a look at the File -> Save style between KDE, GNOME and Netscape
> (MOTIF?). They all work differently.
Different widget sets. Again, this is no different than the problem you
would encounter if you used a Lotus Notes client on a win desktop or
used Tk to build a winApp. Any of the eiDos or similar games will also
behave similarly on win.
> In Netscape's case, if you try to
> save an image, and move directory, it looses the filename.
Having trouble saving your porn? :)
> > Write a text file in bbedit on a mac. save as text. Open that file in
> > wordpad or notepad in windows. How much garbage do you get because the
> > winEditors don't recognize the fact that mac's use a different EOL
> > character. Now, open the same file in the advanced text editor that
> > comes with the kde utilities. Select mac as the source file. Voila!
> > no garbage.
>
> PFE on Windows can do much the same thing.
This comes bundled with the OS? Where?
> > Do you see any advantage in that philisophical difference?
>
> Since such things exist on Windows, it's all the same.
Not really. Microsoft could very easily write editors that they bundle
with the OS to be compatible with editors from other other OS's. To do
so only benefits their consumers. Because they have a large market
share, they choose not to. There is a philisophical gulf between that
mode of doing business, wider than the Pacific and deeper than the
Marianna trench.
> My problem is not the different toolkits or tools but that they operate
> differently. Take a look at my File -> Save example. They ought to at
> least operate similar to each other, not be so different that you have
> to remember those differences and act accordingly.
Again, you are perfectly free to only install homogeneous toolsets on
your system. No one is holding a gun to your head and making you
install tools built with gtk when what you really want are tools that
behave like Qt. To me, multiple toolsets are an advantage. If you like
working within an OO framework, Qt is lovely. If c is your poison, go
with gtk. Different open standards are an advantage in that they
increase the amount of total features avaialble to the end user. But
then, I don't expect linux to behave like windows. Perhaps this is
simply a matter of expectation and asthetics.
I suspect that as the KDE and Gnome projects mature, we will start to
see more homogenous desktops of the sort that you appear to want. I
think things are coming along quite nicely considerintg how recent a
phenomenon all of this is.
YMMV
> > This is all about choices, and no one is holding a gun to your head and
> > making you install gnome tools to run in your kde desktop or vice versa
> > ( or Xt or Tk, etcetcetc ). Moreover, having different widget sets
> > gives the application developer a choice to select an appropriate set
> > for the job at hand.
>
> I don't think it's about choice.
It is entirely about choice. You choose to have applicatios built in
gtk on your KDE desktop knowing full well that they are built in
different toolsets, and that these widgets behave differently. You WANT
those applications. That is a choice.
> > By choosing to install elements built with both toolsets ( I use gnome
> > for my desktop but include the kde network tools and kde utilities ),
> > you are making the implicit statement that the elements you have
> > selected ADD rather than detract from the "orthagonal whole".
>
> Unfortunately, tools are available in either KDE or GNOME but not both.
> A lot of tools are Gtk based. They work on KDE but there are differences
> when you get to menus and the save dialogs. I'd agree if they just
> looked different and had something that distinguished them, but they
> _operate_ differently, and that's a problem as far as I can see.
What you call a problem, I call innovation. These projects are still
immature. Within a few years, either project should be able to fully
stand on its own. When that happens, I suspect that people like you and
me will still be mixing and matching our favorite tools from both
toolsets.
Again, that is OUR choice.
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://salvador.venice.ca.us
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From: Salvador Peralta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Windows curses fast computers
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 08:16:19 -0800
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The server was down when I tried to access it at 8:15 pst. Must be
running w2k. :)
Larry R wrote:
>
> Gotta love this:
>
> http://www.msnbc.com/news/517823.asp
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://salvador.venice.ca.us
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.)
Subject: Re: Windows curses fast computers
Date: 19 Jan 2001 16:19:40 GMT
Salvador Peralta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The server was down when I tried to access it at 8:15 pst. Must be
> running w2k. :)
Indeed it is:
::msid.msn.com: no response
So much for windows.
=====.
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From: Aaron Ginn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: NSTL, and where are the Winvocates now?
Date: 19 Jan 2001 08:47:37 -0700
mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
I think it will be a while before we see Chad Myers or Drestin again.
I have to admire Erik giving it the old college try, but I'm afraid
he's failing to convince anyone.
Seriously, Winvocates have zero credibility left. If Microsoft can't
get NT to stay up on average better than 38 days, how are we expected
to believe all these claims that have been made over the last few
years about NT staying up indefinately? How are we expected to
believe the current claims made about W2K?
--
Aaron J. Ginn Phone: 480-814-4463
Motorola SemiCustom Solutions Pager: 877-586-2318
1300 N. Alma School Rd. Fax : 480-814-4463
Chandler, AZ 85226 M/D CH260 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.)
Subject: Re: Poor Linux
Date: 19 Jan 2001 16:24:26 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Fri, 19 Jan 2001 06:21:20 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charlie
> Ebert) wrote:
>>It is fully supported under Linux.
>>See their web site.
> I can see how much support Creative has for Linux.
> Linux isn't even listed in the operating systems box when you try to
> download drivers.
> http://www.soundblaster.com/drivers/
> So where did they hide them?
> Oh, now I see it:
> "The driver section here only contains drivers for our Sound Blaster
> line of audio cards. If you are looking for drivers for our other
> products, e.g. graphics cards, please visit the driver section"
> Gee I thought the Live was an Audio card?
> Funny they even have drivers listed for OS/2.
> Golly gee, I just found them, buried in the Beta driver section with a
> date of 4/30/99.
>
>http://www.creative.com/support/files/download.asp?prod=sblive&OS=Beta®=0&select=Get+Files
> I can see how committed Creative is to Linux... :(
> Ha! Ha!
Yes indeed claire, your logic sure does hold up:
Creative does a half assed job on their drivers and then hides them in
some obscure part of their site, then they release the source so that
people who actually know what theyre doing can fix everything and its
all LINUX's fault.
Thats some fascinating logic youve got there.
=====.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: Win2k vs Linux? Why downgrade to Linux?
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 11:23:48 -0500
Charlie Ebert wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> > ...perhaps even Datacenter.
> >
>
> Wintrolls brandish this word like a 5 year old triumphantly
> parades around his parents empty house with a loaded .357
...squirt gun.
>
> Clearly, the words Data and Microsoft don't mix well.
>
> Charlie
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "JS PL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: New Microsoft Ad :-)
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 11:28:10 -0500
"J Sloan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> JS PL wrote:
>
> > Easily. I just built a system last week. And it played an mp3 perfectly
> > while simultaneously copying 600mb worth of other mp3's from the cd
drive to
> > a folder AND installing office 2000 from the other cd drive. Didn't skip
a
> > beat. It was probably "accessing" the internet too, I forget.
>
> Sure, and I'll bet it cured your cancer too...
>
> Meanwhile, back in the real world, my friend just mentioned
> that he clicked on the icq button the other day and windows
> 2000 spontaneously rebooted.
>
> Now, that's the windows we all know and love!
>
> > > Windows 2000 could never replace Linux on a desktop.
> >
> > The funny part is that you pretend to have ever ran Windows 2000. You
better
> > stick with your Win98 box Max. It's right up your alley. But I don't
need to
> > tell you that, you would have it no other way (running win9x).
>
> I have a windows 2000 pc sitting here - but since I have a Linux
> system in the same room, naturally I don't use 2000 much. Basically
> the only time I touch windows is when I have to deal with some pesky
> legacy file format, e.g a word doc from the office. It would probably make
> more sense to run the legacy pc apps inside win4lin or vmware, but
> I haven't gotten around to that yet -
>
> For my own use, abi word is fine, but I'm looking forward to the
> maturating of open office (nee star office) and koffice.
That story kind of reminds me about how my mp3 player in Linux plays exactly
1 mp3 per system boot. I try to make it a good choice since I get to only
play one until I reboot though.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: New Microsoft Ad :-)
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 16:23:34 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > You mean like a webserver? repeatedly giving out the same stupid
pages.
> > Running apache is about the only thing that makes sense with linux,
there
> > are no other things to do there. With the exception of compiling
kernels
> > maybe. But then again you can't install it without loosing your
uptime :-).
>
> Perhaps you should expand your view of servers... Linux makes an
awesome
> [nearly anything] server, not just a web server.
>
> > btw: With W2K you can run a webserver while playing a DirectX game.
Thats
> > what I call 'really' using a computer! W2K downtime is most likely
caused by
> > performance-freaks installing the newest GeForce beta drivers ;-).
>
> Coincidentally, a linux user can play 3D games (not DirectX
currently, of
> course, but let's say OpenGL) while serving anything, and when the
user
> installs the latest GeForce 'drivers', he doesn't bring the machine
down.
Yea, that's something to remember. He can upgrade his graphics card
drivers without rebooting or stopping whatever else he's doing. And if
they are crap, at very worst it will crash X. So he just drops back to
the shell, reloads the old drivers, and restarts X. All without a
reboot, and whatever servers he was running never skip a beat. Try
that with MS.
>
> > I know! linux is SOO COOOOL that it doesn't even need a restart
when you
> > replace the motherboard.
>
> Heh =)
>
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Poor Linux
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 11:31:44 -0500
Charlie Ebert wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >On 19 Jan 2001 02:38:52 GMT, "Joseph T. Adams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >>Linux supports all the hardware that's worth supporting.
> >
> >Bad answer Joe.
> >
> >Soundblaster Live is the premier consumer audio card and despite all
> >kinds of promises from Creative, that go back years, it still is half
> >supported under Linux.
> >Win2k came out long after Linux support for this card began and yet
^^^
LOSE2K
> >they still have Liveware for Win2k, but a hald assed driver for Linux.
^^^
LOSE2K
> >
>
> It is fully supported under Linux.
> See their web site.
>
> >
> >>Usually, "hardware" that isn't supported under Linux is defective in
> >>that it does not come with published specifications. I wouldn't want
> >>to use such "hardware" even if it were supported.
> >
>
> 99% of the hardware Linux doesn't plan on handling is
> WIN hardware. And Win Hardware isn't hardware.
^^^ ^^^
LOSE Lose
> It's an emulation of hardware just like Windows is
^^^
LoseDOS
> an emulation of an operating system.
>
> You'd have to be a dildo to buy into it.
>
> I remember helping a guy install another brand of Win NIC
^^^
LOSE
> card once. We ran thru the fucking registry attempting to
> move the old WIN NIC card so many times, we finally had
^^^
LOSE
> to format the bastards drive off to clean it out!
>
> After we re-installed windows from a blank drive we finally
^^^
LoseDOS
> got the cheap ass Win NIC to work. IT was THEN, I convinced
^^^
LOSE
> him to buy a regular 3com card and leave the WIN shit on
^^^
LOSE
> the shelf to rot.
>
> WIN hardware is hazardous to WINDOWS.
^^^ ^^^^^^^
LOSE LoseDOS
>
> >Sorry but it is Linux that is defective in this case.
> >Harware manufacturers see so little $$$ return on their investment
> >that they don't develop for Linux.
> >
>
> I have difficulty these days finding a hardware vendor
> who doesn't have a linux driver for their product as
> Linux is the only OS which is growing now as Windows
> is dying. The tide is turning for the Windows cookie monster.
>
> >Linux should stick to servers where you can get by with a VGA card and
> >no sound card.
> >
>
> It's not. People are demanding Linux as it works RIGHT!
>
> Charlie
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Would Linux be invented if?
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 11:34:02 -0500
kiwiunixman wrote:
>
> If I remember my history rightfully, the Volks Wagon (aka Peoples Car) was
> designed for the average working class Joe so that they could afford to own
> a car. Hence, has not parallel to the hell Hitler released on the world.
Remember..by that time, the German society had become totally fascist...
there was virtually no distinction between industry and government.
>
> kiwiunixman
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > kiwiunixman wrote:
> > >
> > > Well, there you go, just as a side note Pete, America(n's) ALWAYS thinks
> > > they are correct, and let them think that way, whilst the rest of the
> world
> > > lives in reality.
> >
> > Too true.
> >
> > I'm just commenting on the Hypocrisy of the American left-wingers who
> > get all goo-goo eyed every time they see anything that resembles
> > Herr Hitler's "People's Car".
> >
> > Personally, *I* like a lot of VW products....well-designed, easy to
> > maintain engines. But I don't get all sanctimonious and pretend that
> > to drive one makes oneself somehow morally superior to other people.
> >
> >
> > >
> > > kiwiunixman
> > >
> > > "Peter K�hlmann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:934oqt$uk3$05$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm just pointing out the HYPOCRISY of the American left-wingers who
> > > > > get soooooooooo hung up on symbolism...and then get all goo-goo
> > > misty-eyed
> > > > > every time they see a car originally designed as "The Peoples' Car"
> > > during
> > > > > Hitler's reign.
> > > > >
> > > > I think you're drunk 24 / 7. You know, that car you're speaking of has
> not
> > > > ONE part in common with that "Peoples Car". In addition, it looks
> quite
> > > > different, does not have the motor in the rear, has a water cooled
> engine
> > > > etc etc. Just to say that this new Beetle has something to do with the
> old
> > > > one is just bullshit and you know it. You're still an asshole.
> > > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Aaron R. Kulkis
> > Unix Systems Engineer
> > DNRC Minister of all I survey
> > ICQ # 3056642
> >
> >
> > H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
> > premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
> > you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
> > you are lazy, stupid people"
> >
> > I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
> > challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
> > between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
> > Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
> >
> > J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
> > The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
> > also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
> >
> > A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
> >
> > B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
> > method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
> > direction that she doesn't like.
> >
> > C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
> >
> > D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
> > ...despite (C) above.
> >
> > E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
> > her behavior improves.
> >
> > F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
> > adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
> >
> > G: Knackos...you're a retard.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: "Linux is no Windows killer"
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 11:35:03 -0500
Salvador Peralta wrote:
>
> Tom Wilson wrote:
> >
> > There's one plus to being an NT admin, as I see it. Job security. You're
> > almost always needed! You're the most important member of the IT team!
> > Without your constant dicking and clicking, the network won't stay up!
>
> Sure, but what happens when your users figure out that you are fixing
> all system errors with a reboot and start rebooting all by themselves?
Only you know the network settings when NT finally corrodes itself
with bitrot and requires a re-install.
>
> --
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://salvador.venice.ca.us
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: New Microsoft Ad :-)
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 16:32:02 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > My experience with Windows 98 says that it would be much shorter
than
> > 216 hours. I am quite happy when Windows 98 runs for 48 hours
without
> > having to reboot. But by that time, something internal usually is
> > messed up, which prevents properly shutting down. And then on the
> > reboot, that idiotic scandisk screen comes up blaming me for
> > improperly shutting down Windows. My experience with Windows 98
> > includes about fifty different configurations and thousands of hours
> > of use.
>
> I suspect you don't care (or perhaps already know?), but if you'd
like to
> stop scandisk coming up just because the machine crashed, you can add
> Autoscan=0
> to your MSDOS.SYS file under the [Options] heading. Alternatively,
you
> can install TweakUI and turn it off with that.
Except there is a reason for scandisk. There is a good chance that,
after an "improper shutdown", the filesystem is not in a consistent
state. Not running scandisk could lead to filesystem corruption, lost
data, and yet another re-install.
Linux has something similar call fsck (File System ChecK). Except many
linux users never see it because they've never seen an "improper
shutdown" (other then a power failure :-)
>
> In my personal experience, Win98 is the all time worst offender for
not
> shutting down properly. I think it has a lot to do with some MS
> innovation called 'Fast Shutdown'. How ironic.
>
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