Linux-Advocacy Digest #645, Volume #31 Sun, 21 Jan 01 23:13:05 EST
Contents:
Re: Linux is crude and inconsistant. ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Please help! adding a line (.)
Re: Loki has trouble playiong their own games under Linux!!!!! ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: New Microsoft Ad :-) ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: New Microsoft Ad :-) (.)
Re: Please tell me your motherboard name if it works properly in Linux
([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: NT is Most Vulnerable Server Software ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Loki has trouble playiong their own games under Linux!!!!! (Glitch)
Re: New Microsoft Ad :-) (Lewis Miller)
Re: Kernel space? Who gives a @#$% ("Jan Johanson")
Re: New Microsoft Ad :-) (T. Max Devlin)
Re: New Microsoft Ad :-) (T. Max Devlin)
Re: New Microsoft Ad :-) (T. Max Devlin)
Re: New Microsoft Ad :-) (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Win2k vs Linux? Why downgrade to Linux? ("Gerrit Knol")
Re: Why "uptime" is important. ("Lloyd Llewellyn")
Re: New Microsoft Ad :-) ("JS PL")
Re: Linux is crude and inconsistant. (J Sloan)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Linux is crude and inconsistant.
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 01:59:47 GMT
On Sun, 21 Jan 2001 21:24:59 GMT, J Sloan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Linux has great for me - if you prefer windows, good for you,
>I wish you a good life, and don't let the door hit you in the ass
>on the way out!
I had to use the emergency exit because the front door was all backed
up with the exodus from the latest Linux demo.
>I find netscape communicator does a passable job.
Key word being passable.
My bicycle will get me to the store, but considering it is about 25
degrees out I think I'll take the car.
>Sorry to shock you with the facts old chap, but it nearly always
>goes the other way - people try Linux, then get into it, and finally
>reformat their windows drive for mp3 storage or something of a
>similar nature.
Maybe in some college dorm full of CS students but not in real life.
People hate Linux when they try it. I have seen it many, many times
over and over again.
There is nobody that would rather see Linux become viable on the
desktop more than musicians doing digital audio production. The cost
of the applications is generally well over the typical musicians
budget.
These guys are end users for the most part and not techies and every
single one of them that I have met that has tried Linux has absolutely
hated it.
Not because it doesn't have audio programs of pro quality, but because
of all the BS they have to do just to perform the simple tasks that
are no brainers on their Windows or Mac PC's.
These guys are a hell of a lot closer to Joe Sixpack than some pimple
faced kid playing with Linux because he can't afford Windows.
I have Mandrake running on a PC in my studio with Enlightenment up and
these guys love the eye candy. They ask for a CD, I give them one,
next time I see them I ask "so how was Linux" and wait for the :
"Man that Linux really sux" comments.
Happens every time.
Sorry but that's reality.
Flatfish
Why do they call it a flatfish?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.)
Subject: Re: Please help! adding a line
Date: 22 Jan 2001 02:01:42 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Hi:
> I have to create a file (using konsole) called fileA with the following
> content:
> as I wander
> under the sky
> Then I have to add "I wonder" to the TOP of fileA. How do I do that?
> Please pay attention that I have to add TO THE TOP of fileA.
> I thank you in advance for your help.
> Marcus
man cat
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Loki has trouble playiong their own games under Linux!!!!!
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 02:10:50 GMT
On 22 Jan 2001 01:39:08 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.) wrote:
>When you found that you couldnt understand the way linux works at all,
>instead of simply saying (correctly) "I'm an idiot, this operating
>system for intelligent people simply isnt for me", you had to come
>in here with a full frontal attack.
I'm not the one around here calling everyone an idiot.
Flatfish
Why do they call it a flatfish?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: New Microsoft Ad :-)
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 02:11:54 GMT
On 22 Jan 2001 01:41:12 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.) wrote:
>
>Tell me claire, exactly why it is that while linux recognized my secondary
>PCI IDE controller (ATA/100) instantly and with no configuration nessesary,
>windows decides that its a 'new device' every time I reboot and incorrectly
>names it a "PCI RAID CONTROLLER"?
Because you say it does.
Flatfish
Why do they call it a flatfish?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.)
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: New Microsoft Ad :-)
Date: 22 Jan 2001 02:36:08 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On 22 Jan 2001 01:41:12 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.) wrote:
>>
>>Tell me claire, exactly why it is that while linux recognized my secondary
>>PCI IDE controller (ATA/100) instantly and with no configuration nessesary,
>>windows decides that its a 'new device' every time I reboot and incorrectly
>>names it a "PCI RAID CONTROLLER"?
> Because you say it does.
It does, actually. One of the very many reasons that I only very rarely
run windowsME, and then only to play unreal tournament.
Curiously, one of the MCSEs that I work with has the exact same problem
with an entirely different IDE controller, to which he consistently responds:
"fucking windows".
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,tw.bbs.comp.linux
Subject: Re: Please tell me your motherboard name if it works properly in Linux
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 02:26:53 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Jerry Wong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I want to gather information on the compatibility of Motherboards on
> Linux.
>
Asus A7V, AMD 1GHz T-Bird running Redhat 7.0.
Sent via Deja.com
http://www.deja.com/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: NT is Most Vulnerable Server Software
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 03:03:20 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Said [EMAIL PROTECTED] in alt.destroy.microsoft on Sun, 21 Jan
>>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>> T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> This is a convention, not a rule of routing or the IP protocol.
It is not a convention. Look up the appropriate RFC's. The private IP
address ranges should never appear on the Internet.
>>You clearly have no understanding
>>of Internet routing and firewalls.
>
> To be modest, my knowledge and understanding literally dwarfs your own.
Crap. You have no idea what you are talking about.
>>How is a firewall breaking all the
>>rules? Do you know what a firewall is? Most firewalls allow address
>>translation.
>
> Indeed; first you ask a question, then you answer it. ;-)
>
> BTW, the function of Network Address Translation (NAT) is potentially
> related, but entirely independent and separate from firewalling. NAT is
> also very similar to proxying, which is what "most firewalls" do.
Yes NAT is independant of how a firewall implements a security policy.
However most if not all firewalls implement NAT as it is the logical
place to do so.
>>They use PAT to translate many internal addresses to a single
>>external routable address.
>
> Indeed; Proxy Address Translation.
Now you are showing your ignorance. PAT is not Proxy address translation,
whatever that might be. PAT is port address translation often also called
hide address translation. When you do many to one NAT you have to have
some method of knowing which packet belongs to which connection. Doing
port translation allows this. Nothing to do with proxies which work at
the application layer.
>>The good
>>firewalls also allow 1 to 1 NAT.
>
> No, a "good" firewall will leave NAT up to a NAT system, just as a NAT
> leaves firewalling up to the firewall. Sure, in theory we could munge
> all these things together. Have fun; its too braindead an idea for me
> to waste my time on, personally.
Grief, have you ever administered a firewall? Every firewall I have
worked with, it is my job by the way, provides NAT facilities.
>>MAC addresses are used to send the packet
>>to the next hop on its route.
>
> Yes, MAC addresses are used to *transmit* the *frame*, containing the
> packet, to the receiver. Note that whether the receiver is "the next
> hop on its route" is one of those rules that you should fuck around with
> lightly. The rule is, "you don't know, you can't know, and it doesn't
> matter." Because routing doesn't have anything to do with
> transmissions. So MAC addresses don't have anything to do with packets.
You really don't have a clue. The above paragragh is gibberish. Please
read the book you say you have and build a test network to see how it
really works.
>>When the packet arrives at a router connected
>>to the destination host the MAC address is that of the destination host.
>
> No, when the packet is *transmitted* *from* a router connected to a
> transmission channel shared by the destination host, the destination
> address of the *frame* bearing that packet is the MAC address of the
> transceiver related to that host.
And how does the router get the MAC address? Your terminology shows that
you really don't have a clue about how IP and ethernet work.
>>May
>>I suggst you purchase a copy of the late Mr. Stevens' books on TCP/IP. If
>>you can understand and digest those then you may talk about Internet subnets
>>and routing.
>
> Been there, done that. Any further 'errors' which you find in my
> explanations can be assumed to be things *you* don't understand; forgive
> me, but my theories and understanding are rather advanced, and often
> less knowledgeable people find them confusingly distinct from the
> standardized explanations they've been taught previously. Feel free to
> ask questions, I'll be happy to explain them; I love explaining this
> stuff.
It's quite clear you have been nowhere and done nothing regarding networking.
Guffaw indeed.
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Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 22:20:45 -0500
From: Glitch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Loki has trouble playiong their own games under Linux!!!!!
>
>> But this one is my favorite!
>>
>> "How bad, exactly? Ray Schwamberger, a Linux technician for Atipa
>> Linux Solutions, spent two hours tweaking and configuring a dozen
>> computers at his company's LinuxWorld booth so they could adequately
>> run Quake 3 and demo Atipa's Linux PC. "
>>
>>
>> This stuff is HYSTERICAL!!!!!!!
>
>
> Wow configuring 12 PC's in 120 minuttes.. thats 10 mins/PC.. thats fast.
My comments exactly. 10min/PC isn't bad at all.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Lewis Miller)
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: New Microsoft Ad :-)
Date: 22 Jan 2001 03:17:32 GMT
. was heard ranting about <94g6ao$28v$[EMAIL PROTECTED]> in
alt.linux.sux on 21 Jan 2001
>In comp.os.linux.advocacy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> On 22 Jan 2001 01:41:12 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.) wrote:
>
>>>
>>>Tell me claire, exactly why it is that while linux recognized my
>>>secondary PCI IDE controller (ATA/100) instantly and with no
>>>configuration nessesary, windows decides that its a 'new device' every
>>>time I reboot and incorrectly names it a "PCI RAID CONTROLLER"?
>
>> Because you say it does.
>
>It does, actually. One of the very many reasons that I only very rarely
>run windowsME, and then only to play unreal tournament.
>
>Curiously, one of the MCSEs that I work with has the exact same problem
>with an entirely different IDE controller, to which he consistently
>responds:
>
>"fucking windows".
Funny thing is most MCSE's and MCPs I know say the same thing a Lot. :)
--
l8r
-LJM
a.k.a. Jaster Mereel
a.k.a. MrBobaFett
"Little things used to mean so much to Shelly. I used to think
they were kind of trivial. Believe me, nothing's trivial. "
-- Eric Draven, The Crow
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From: "Jan Johanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Kernel space? Who gives a @#$%
Date: 21 Jan 2001 21:29:56 -0600
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On 20 Jan 2001 15:56:46 -0600, Jan Johanson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >"Tim" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:h9mh6tk6jajl34me0arbgqpk395ouacolu@news...
> >> On 14 Jan 2001 21:04:13 -0600, "Jan Johanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >> [snip]
> >>
> >> Notice the troll drops a big steamy one and then is nowhere to be
> >> heard when people follow-up to his article.
> >>
> >
> >Unlike linux geeks - I have a social life and a paying job - hence, I do
not
> >spend my entire being living for newsgroup posts - or worse, living
> >vicariously through other people's posts...
>
> This is no excuse.
>
> If you can't spare the time to actually back up your trolling,
> you shouldn't bother to begin with.
sigh... I *DID* but just didn't do it in the time frame this "Tim" felt was
fast enough for his no-life sense of timing... I did back up my remarks.
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: New Microsoft Ad :-)
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 03:31:03 GMT
Said [EMAIL PROTECTED] in alt.destroy.microsoft on Sun, 21 Jan 2001
>On Sun, 21 Jan 2001 17:23:11 GMT, T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>wrote:
>
>>I would expect that Linux has had automount for a number of years. Can
>>somebody confirm this?
>
>You'll know for yourself in a week or so.
Well, duh.
--
T. Max Devlin
*** The best way to convince another is
to state your case moderately and
accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: New Microsoft Ad :-)
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 03:31:23 GMT
Said Gary Hallock in alt.destroy.microsoft on Sun, 21 Jan 2001 14:02:53
+0500;
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 21 Jan 2001 17:23:11 GMT, T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I would expect that Linux has had automount for a number of years. Can
>>>somebody confirm this?
>>
>> You'll know for yourself in a week or so.
>>
>
>Or you could just tell him the truth. automount works fine on linux and
>has for quite some time.
's what I figured.
--
T. Max Devlin
*** The best way to convince another is
to state your case moderately and
accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: New Microsoft Ad :-)
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 03:34:05 GMT
Said JS PL in alt.destroy.microsoft on Sun, 21 Jan 2001 17:50:56 -0500;
>
>"Gary Hallock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>
>> > On Sun, 21 Jan 2001 17:23:11 GMT, T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >>I would expect that Linux has had automount for a number of years. Can
>> >>somebody confirm this?
>> >
>> > You'll know for yourself in a week or so.
>> >
>>
>> Or you could just tell him the truth. automount works fine on linux and
>> has for quite some time.
>
>Why I stay away from Linux as much as possible!
>Doing four times as much key pounding as is needed under Windows, just to
>accomplish the same thing.
>
>Case in point, after installing Linux to run under VMware here's the
>directions for improving the graphics et. al.by installing the VMare tools:
>
><paste>
>
>As root, mount the VMware Tools floppy, copy the contents of the floppy to
>/tmp, and unmount the floppy.
> cd /
> mount -t vfat /dev/fd0 /mnt
> cp /mnt/vmware-linux-tools.tar.gz /tmp
> umount /dev/fd0
[...]
Well, I believe the point of the discussion is the fact that Linux has
automount. So just 'drag 'n drop' away, Einstein.
--
T. Max Devlin
*** The best way to convince another is
to state your case moderately and
accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: New Microsoft Ad :-)
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 03:34:56 GMT
Said J Sloan in alt.destroy.microsoft on Sun, 21 Jan 2001 23:04:05 GMT;
>JS PL wrote:
>> "Why I stay away from Linux as much as possible!
>
>> As root, mount the VMware Tools floppy, copy the contents of the floppy to
>> /tmp, and unmount the floppy.
>> cd /
>> mount -t vfat /dev/fd0 /mnt
>> cp /mnt/vmware-linux-tools.tar.gz /tmp
>> umount /dev/fd0
>
>Actually, those are the instructions for the mentally challenged.
>If you knew anything about Linux, you'd simply type:
>
> mcopy a:* /tmp
Handy.
>Jokes on you, wintroll!
<*chuckle*>
Thanks for your time. Hope it helps.
--
T. Max Devlin
*** The best way to convince another is
to state your case moderately and
accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
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From: "Gerrit Knol" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Win2k vs Linux? Why downgrade to Linux?
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 03:37:05 GMT
In artikel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, schreef
[EMAIL PROTECTED] de volgende achterlijke stommiteit neer:
> On Thu, 18 Jan 2001 01:12:11 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charlie
> Ebert) wrote:
>
>
>
>>The problem with this logic is W2k isn't an operating system.
>>
>>It's a peice of shit.
>
> I like to look at it as an applications launcher. MacOS is another
> applications launcher. Linux could be an applications launcher, if it
> had applications worth launching.
>
Most of those applications, there are many of them run a lot better than
their mickeysoft counterparts.
>
>>
>>You still haven't heard of Debian? You know Debian has
>>4400 packages and is designed to be downloaded from the
>>net for free. All of it.
>
> Sure I have.
> Corel tried to build that horrific distribution they put out on
> Debian.
>
Yep, Debian cruelly raped by corel, go for the real thing.
>
>>
>>You really do live in the past don't you.
>
> If 2 hours ago is the past, yea I guess so.
>
It is ;-)
>
>>
>>>Of course you can get a $1.99 CD at Cheapbytes, but again, no support
>>>and not a full system like the $35.95 version
>>>
>>
>>Intelligence does have a bearing here.
>
> Of course it doesn't because you Penguinista's love sitting for hours
> downloading some image instead of spending $1.99 to buy one.
Hours? 45 minutes and it's in, compare that to driving into town to buy
it or worse, order it over the internet and wait a few days.
>>
>>
>>>Install?
>>>
>>>Linux about 25 minutes and one reboot. Windows 2k, about an hour and I
>>>honestly lost track of reboots (3 or
>>>4).
>>>
>>
>>
>>Linux, about 45 minutes. W2k an hour.
>
> Your system is slow.
>
Really slow, yep.
>>But with Linux you end up with an operting system. With W2k you end up
>>with an emulation of an operating system.
>
> With Linux you end up spending the next week trying to figure out how to
> make the rest of your hardware work. You know, all the stuff that wasn't
> auto detected.
Yast2 with with Suse distro does that on the spot an without mistakes
>>
>>>Linux wins for basic install.
>>>
>>
>>Debian's install is improving with the next release but the main point
>>is you don't need to do it again.
>
> That's for sure. Once is more than enough to scare anyone away.
>
I tried that one, wasn't that hard
>
>>With Windows it's this continual thing of having to reinstall your
>>emulation as it blew it's cork.
>
> I've never re-installed Win2k. Just put SP1 on and everything worked
> perfectly.
>
Until the next virus pops up ;-))
>
>>We lost some Windows boxes from ILOVEYOU but Linux so far has never felt
>>any pain from being our firewall.
>
> You were probably rooted a long time ago and don't even know it.
>
Sure, root me
>
>>
>>This get's back to the install. Everything you mentioned is supported
>>but you have to know how to install it.
>
> I don't have to do a thing under Win2k. It all works perfectly.
>
>>
>
>>On Debian you don't need to do anything for the CDROM if it's ATAPI. For
>>the SBlive you just click load EMU10K driver.
>
> And you end up with a half working sound card.
>
Which is the same as my own soundcard, no problem at all, works fine.
>
>>I can't really tell the difference. Pray tell, what is it?
>
> Evidently somebody can:
>
> Read the "Font De-Uglification" How-To for details.
>
You don't have to read any howto for that and true type fonts are
supported these days.
>>
>>
>>>How about xmms? Compare it to the CD Player offered in the standard
>>>Win2k install
>>>(V5.5 I believe).
>>>
>>
>>
>>XMMS looks cooler, has SKINS which the W2k thing doesn't, and plays
>>better as it's running on Linux.
>
> No it doesn't, it skips all over the place and the lettering on just
> about all the skins is blurry and boxy looking. It looks like shit.
>
xmms uses less resources and again works fine, you can use winampskins
with it and it looks great, sounds great, works great.
>>That's probably why they did that movie Titanic on Linux instead of
>>Windows.
> It was a rendering farm, crunching numbers.
>
Exactly, when windows has to crunch numbers it gives you a blue screen or
a reboot out of the blue.
>>
>>>See how slick and smooth and pleasing to the eye the Microsoft Player
>>>looks? See how boxy and crude xmms looks? Did you try making it double
>>>size? Can you even look at it without laughing? It's a jagged mess.
>>>
>>>How about Gaim? Look at the directory tree that shows your buddies. See
>>>how the tree is broken with nasty looking charactors? Take a look at
>>>the WIndows equivilant, smooth and clean looking. Which one looks
>>>better?
>>>
>>
>>
>>They have a fancier AIM for Windows but GAIM works just as well.
>
> It looks like shit.
>
>>
>>>How about GVpic or whatever that program that is an ACDsee clone is
>>>called.
>>>
>>>Miserable thing take 3 minutes to load a directory of a couple thousand
>>>pics
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Considering you don't know how to push EMU10K to load the SBLive driver
>>I will hold judgement on how you set up your partitions and hard drive.
>
> That has nothing to do with it. The program sucks compared to ACDsee.
>
>>Linux properly set up by Chimpanzee's will smoke W2k in EVERY
>>performance test you can throw at it.
>
> As long as you don't have to look at the screen for too long.
>
Try a nice windowmanager, like enlightenment, you'd be amazed
>
>>This sounds like the battle of the bloat! Are you braggin here or
>>complaining?
>
> StarOffice wins the bloat battle.
>
>
>>The Pimp ass newsreader on Debian runs just fine and doesn't die.
>>That's because Debian took the time to test all their software, unlike
>>others who make Linux distributions.
>
> That may be, it doesn't work well under Mandrake or SuSE though. I've
> never used Debian, except for that Corel POS.
>
Pan runs fine in suse (as you can see)
>>And with Debian you have your choice of 20 some odd other newsreaders to
>>use. I'm using SLRN which works VERY WELL!
>
> As long as you don't mind using slrnpull to create a local spool and
> deal with it.
>
> You can't do what I mentioned above though. Every time you want to
> change a group setting you have to edit the config file. I can change
> ANY of the properties on a group by group basis on the fly.
>
>
> Flatfish Why do they call it a flatfish? Remove the ++++ to reply.
Change your name to deadfish !
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From: "Lloyd Llewellyn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why "uptime" is important.
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 03:52:38 GMT
> If I could get her on Linux, i.e. get a good tax package for her, I would.
Yes - on the desktop it comes down to applications...
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From: "JS PL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: New Microsoft Ad :-)
Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 22:54:50 -0500
"J Sloan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> JS PL wrote:
>
> > I don't turn it off every night. It runs constantly, it usually runs for
> > 10-30 day spans before being shut down for one reason or another.
> > Now if my dial up to a Unix server could be so stable. I usually can't
stay
> > connected for more than 48 hrs!!
>
> So you got windoze ppp to stay up as long as 48 hours? bravo.
I guess you didn't comprehend. The dial up won't stay connected for more
than two days. The local system is fine.
>
> > Last time I shut it down was to install a modem that Linux could
understand.
>
> In other words, a modem (not a silly "winmodem")
No, it won't recognize a Zoom Telephonics internal data/fax modem. It's not
a Winmodem so it should be no problem. But it was.
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From: J Sloan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux is crude and inconsistant.
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 03:56:22 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I had to use the emergency exit because the front door was all backed
> up with the exodus from the latest Linux demo.
The exodus, if any, is away from windoze -
> >I find netscape communicator does a passable job.
>
> Key word being passable.
> My bicycle will get me to the store, but considering it is about 25
> degrees out I think I'll take the car.
Yes, well I'm happy for you.
Nevertheless, I find netscape pleasant enough to use.
> Maybe in some college dorm full of CS students but not in real life.
> People hate Linux when they try it. I have seen it many, many times
> over and over again.
I think you're fabricating these incidents.
Just sounds too fishy, and doesn't square with my experiences.
>
> There is nobody that would rather see Linux become viable on the
> desktop more than musicians doing digital audio production. The cost
> of the applications is generally well over the typical musicians
> budget.
I'm failry certain that no matter how much Linux improves, we
can count on you to keep up the windows propoganda.
> Not because it doesn't have audio programs of pro quality, but because
> of all the BS they have to do just to perform the simple tasks that
> are no brainers on their Windows or Mac PC's.
Could you give some examples? I'd be interested to hear.
Perhaps e.g. you told them they had to wade through some
arcane sequence of commands to look at the files on a CD,
when they could have just clicked on a desktop icon instead?
> These guys are a hell of a lot closer to Joe Sixpack than some pimple
> faced kid playing with Linux because he can't afford Windows.
Hate to tell you this, but the situation you describe is a fantasy,
and simply does not exist in real life, for two reasons:
1. If a "pimple face kid" has a pc, it's already got windows on it.
2. The average Linux developer is a middle aged engineer.
> I have Mandrake running on a PC in my studio with Enlightenment up and
> these guys love the eye candy. They ask for a CD, I give them one,
> next time I see them I ask "so how was Linux" and wait for the :
>
> "Man that Linux really sux" comments.
>
> Happens every time.
>
> Sorry but that's reality.
Sorry, but that doesn't square with what I see -
If this ever happened at all, which is doubtful, my first
suspicion is that you've sabotaged it in some way.
When I show people Linux, I get basically 3 kinds of
reactions:
1. If they're Unix savvy, they say "hey cool, I like it", and
get up to speed very quickly.
2. If they are windows users, but sharp, they will go through
a period of "hey, how do I do this or that in Linux", or "hey,
I tried to do blah and it gave me an error, what's up?" Most
of the time they get past the newbie stage and some become
ardent Linux advocates.
3. If they are not really interested in computers and don't want
to learn anything new, but have been taught how to use ms
windows, they generally have no use for Linux. Or if they use
computers for a very small set of tasks that involve certain
legacy pc file formats e.g. ms office, they likewise will probably
have no interest in Linux.
I often mention Linux to those in the first group, and the results
are usually positive.
If someone from the second group asks me about Linux, I'll
help them install it and do some basic handholding while they
get up to speed.
I generally don't even mention Linux to the 3rd group, and if
they ask, I'll advise them to wait until it's a little more newbie
friendly -
jjs
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