Linux-Advocacy Digest #694, Volume #31 Wed, 24 Jan 01 01:13:04 EST
Contents:
Re: Linux is crude and inconsistant (Lewis Miller)
what IBM & 'Wintel' monopolies did for us ( (IACT Co-ord.))
Re: 3100 W2K Adv Servers deployed accross Europe
Re: So much for Linux being more Difficult than Windows
Re: So much for Linux being more Difficult than Windows
Re: Multiple standards don't constitute choice (R.E.Ballard ( Rex Ballard ))
Re: 3100 W2K Adv Servers deployed accross Europe (Charlie Ebert)
Re: A salutary lesson about open source ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Linux is crude and inconsistent. (.)
Re: Does Code Decay (Charlie Ebert)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Lewis Miller)
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: Linux is crude and inconsistant
Date: 24 Jan 2001 04:44:55 GMT
Kyle Jacobs was heard ranting about
<7S8b6.8656$[EMAIL PROTECTED]> in alt.linux.sux on 22 Jan
2001
>"Lewis Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:94j3ba$pef$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
>> Blah blah. Have you talked to the end user recently? They learn what
>> they need. I install computers often enough and they don't understand
>> what a mouse or the 'desktop' are. If I was to have set them up with
>> unix, they're learn it. Hell half the ppl just use it to Check email
>> and load up WinTeg (temrminal emulator) to connect to the HP (oh yeah
>> running HP/UX)
>
>You MIGHT be able to implement a Linux soulition here. But you can't,
>because the users WILL complain. Hell, so will you when network wide
>policy can't be set remotely.
WHAT?! Did you not listen to a word that was said? There already is a *nix
solution. The HP is running UNIX. I'm not suggesting putting Linux on the work
stations. And you know how you impliment a system wide policy on HP/UX? You
aply the policy to the HP and it's done. The HP is the whole system. That's why
it has a multi-user OS. Many users, one machine. Why is NT fine on the
workstation? Because only one person logs onto that machine. Then they load
their term prog and log onto the HP.
>>> Oh yeah, people prefered Microsoft Works (hint, the dos program
>>> with a
>>> GUI), and reveled when WP finally came to Windows.
>>
>> Oh? MS Works is a POS. And Lots of ppl think so. Oh and do you know
>> how many users we have to fight tooth and nail to get them to give up
>> thier DOS WP 5.1 and get them to use MS Word? G'damn. Inuitive means
>> shit, to these ppl, they want what they know. They know WP fine. They
>> don't see how anything could possible be difficult about it because they
>> have been using it since version 2, or they are used to the WP app that
>> ran on the old PRIME system once upon a time. Ppl will learn what they
>> need or they will sink. Besides wusses that demand a gui. psst. get WP
>> 5.1 Plus, it had a tool bar and mouse support as usefull as Works first go.
>
>People prefered Works.
SOME, a few did I'm sure. Most ppl know it is worthless.
> Eventaully. Word Perfect was everything BUT until it finaly came to
> Windows. Even then, Microsoft Office & Works was pushing it off the
> desktop. Hmm, wonder why so many people prefered Works over WP?
OK also don't mention Office and Works in the same sentence. Because Office, is
an office package a collection of programs. Works, is one program, that sucks.
Now if you want to compare Word to WP. that's fair and I could even see
competition. But Works, not even.
>> >3. StarOffice is about as user friendly as a double edge sword. I
>> >don't know many people who would be willing to put up with it, even
>> >if it were given to them for free.
>>
>> Even if it were givin to them for free? Um. Does anybody pay for it? I
>> don't see where ppl are paying all this money for all this free
>> software. And Star Office isn't that awful.
>> Quit bein a spoiled brat about all your apps.
>
>What are you talking about? Downloadable doesn't mean free.
YES it does.
>That box sitting on the shelf at your local computer store isn't free,
No, that's why I don't get it there.. THAT is where suckers go. Or the puppet
yuppies.
>neither is the 40 hours needed to download it over a modem.
umm. pretty darn close.. but why are you downloading it over a modem?
> BROADBAND doesn't make everything free.
Everything that is downloadable...
>And is it so terrible that I demand quality software from makers?
NO! By all means, demand quality! Thats my beef w/ windows. MS is giving me a
not so great product. For the price I'm paying for software from MS, it damn
well better be nearly completely bug free. Star Office? It's free, you can't
demand shit from someone you're not paying. Cause if I make a program, and you
don't pay me for it, fuck you. What makes you think I made it for you? I made
it for me, and it works well enough for me. If you want a copy, go ahead and
have it, because I don't see why I shouldn't share.
>> but what about the data that the end user just lost? First off they
>> aren't going to LET you finish your lunch break. They want to know why
>> you can't just make the data come back, and because of the encoraged
>> ingorance of how the machine actually works. This can prove difficult.
>> They think you're just lying to them. bleh
>
>I haven't ever expierenced anyone who didn't understand that "the data's
>gone, because the computer is off."
Knock on fucking wood, you've obviously never worked on a help line. Even help
lines for techs get dumbasses sometimes. Now when you directly support the end
user? They don't know the difference between turning the monitor off, and
rebooting. They don't understand the computer at all, so they don't understand
why you can't make it do exactly what they want. This is the wonderful result
of us not forcing training on users.
>Second, my situation requiring a lunch break is as such; uninteruptable. I
>ensure my legaly protected breaks are enforced, and penalization for
>respecting that time period is not tolerated.
Oh bullshit. Fine you work some place where there a NO politics. When the CEO
walks in on your lunch break, and he wants you to come install a screen saver
that someone e-mailed him, you damn well do it and don't ask questions. The
head of payroll, is running late on a Friday and you're off the clock and she
tells you that her machine went down and she needs to get these expence reports
off, ( and your's is in that pile) you stop, and you fix it. For yes politcal
reasons, and personal reasons, but also, if you don't, you're being a dick, and
HR can replace you.
--
l8r
-LJM
a.k.a. Jaster Mereel
a.k.a. MrBobaFett
"Little things used to mean so much to Shelly. I used to think
they were kind of trivial. Believe me, nothing's trivial. "
-- Eric Draven, The Crow
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
From: <iact*on-a-spam-free-diet*@techie.com> (IACT Co-ord.)
Subject: what IBM & 'Wintel' monopolies did for us
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 00:06:32
I've just posted a new batch of IQN commentaries
including a comparison of the Microsoft and IBM
antitrust cases, plus how computer industry & media
"doublespeak" undermines non-'Wintel' sw and hw such as
Linux, OS/2, BSD, MCA and AMD.
If you care about open standards and user choice,
you'll be interested also in the IQN commentaries on
Internet security and the nearer-than-you-think future
of game consoles and information appliances:
* "The Orwellian Dictionary of DoubleSpeak"
revisits your favorite IT journalists' news stories on
how a "Wintel standard" brought a revolution of low
prices and high innovation. Explore their definitions &
examples of "standards" and technologies that may be
part of the Next New Revolution.
* "The Myths of the Monopolies"
contrasts the rise 'n' fall of the IBM and Microsoft
monopolies. Did MSFT give us greater choice & more
user-friendly software, and what did we ever get from
IBM? If IBM has compensated us for their antitrust
violations, then what should we require from MSFT for
theirs?
* "MCA: The Sacrificial Lion"
asks you how much a proprietary Compaq with Windows can
do for you-- compared to an IBM PS/2 with MCA and your
own chosen o.s. like DOS, Linux or OS/2. Is MCA
"incompatible" with where Microsoft wants you to go, or
can it provide data integrity, speed & security you want?
* "Is the 'Post PC Era' a Heaven on Earth?"
warns that even as some companies say the PC is dead,
they may use their closed Internet boxes and proprietary
consoles to create a new Digital Divide, where they
possess the networks & knowledge while we suffer as
technological have-nots.
* "There's Never a Cop Around When You Need One!"
asks for legal protections from the prying eyes of our
Big Brothers who want to know everything about our web
surfing habits, our income, our demographic statistics,
and our files on our personal computers.
- Bookmark the URL to IQ Newsletter Issue #9:
http://www.iact.net/IQN/9.html
========================================================
International Alliance for Compatible Technology
more open standards, user choice and
free access to compatible technology
http://www.iact.net/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: 3100 W2K Adv Servers deployed accross Europe
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 05:04:31 -0000
On Wed, 24 Jan 2001 06:20:40 +0200, Ayende Rahien <Please@don't.spam> wrote:
>
>"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> Jan Johanson wrote:
>> >
>> > While little MiG tries to impress with some brochure sites...
>> >
>> > MediaWave is deploying over 3,100 windows 2000 advanced servers all over
>> > europe to handle multimillions of simultaneous audio and video streams.
>>
>> And your point is?
>>
>>
>> >
>> > Talk about demanding! Is there even a streaming server available for
>linux?
>>
>> Unix would do the same capacity with 300 servers.
>
>Prove it.
Unix supports considerably larger hardware than NT does.
It has to do severe shared nothing clustering to achieve
database thruput in the same league with single machines
AS/400 or Unix machines.
As the machines that run DOS have scaled up, so have the
machines that everyone thought DOS had obsoleted.
--
Finding an alternative should not be like seeking out the holy grail.
That is the whole damn point of capitalism.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: So much for Linux being more Difficult than Windows
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 05:07:19 -0000
On Wed, 24 Jan 2001 06:21:28 +0200, Ayende Rahien <Please@don't.spam> wrote:
>
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> On Wed, 24 Jan 2001 05:34:50 +0200, Ayende Rahien <Please@don't.spam>
>wrote:
>> >
>> ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> >> On Wed, 24 Jan 2001 04:59:08 +0200, Ayende Rahien <Please@don't.spam>
>> >wrote:
>> >> >
>> >
>> >> >They don't need to have special support to 2000, they need to treat it
>> >like
>> >> >ME (actually, it's the other way around, but it doesn't matter at the
>> >> >moment.)
>> >> >It should go like this:
>> >> >A> Log on as administrator
>> >> >B> Go to Start>Settings>Network & Dial Up Connection
>> >> >C> double click Make New Connection
>> >>
>> >> ...wait for Win2K to dial the phone and waste quite a bit
>> >> of time fetching the local "approved" ISP list for your
>> >> area.
>> >
>> >Ha? What are you talking about? I've *never* seen it happening.
>> >What are you talking about.
>>
>> That's part of the dialup networking connection wizard for
>> the OEM version of Windows2000 Pro/SP1.
>
>Not on my machine, or any of those that I've seen.
>Perhaps your OEM changed something.
>Can anybody else comment on this?
It's not a "Dell" version.
It's an "OEM" version, the kind you can get with
new hardware if you buy from a small scale
operation not addicted to Windows bulk rates.
--
The ability to type
./configure
make
make install
does not constitute programming skill. |||
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: So much for Linux being more Difficult than Windows
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 05:09:13 -0000
On Wed, 24 Jan 2001 06:22:46 +0200, Ayende Rahien <Please@don't.spam> wrote:
>
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> On Wed, 24 Jan 2001 05:36:20 +0200, Ayende Rahien <Please@don't.spam>
>wrote:
>> >
>> ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> >> On Wed, 24 Jan 2001 05:03:10 +0200, Ayende Rahien <Please@don't.spam>
>> >wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >"Russ Lyttle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> >> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> >> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > On Mon, 22 Jan 2001 19:14:00 +0500, "Gary Hallock"
>> >> >> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >> [deletia]
>> >> >More difficult? Hah!
>> >> >Exactly *how*?
>> >> >
>> >> >What do you mean by ftp? client? server?
>> >> >PWS is a free http & ftp server for windows 9x, it is somewhere in the
>> >CD.
>> >> >IIS is for NT.
>> >> >Both OS has a builtin text-based ftp client, as well as IE capable of
>> >> >functioning as FTP client.
>> >>
>> >> Then please outline the procedure for initiating an
>> >> upload with IE5...
>> >
>> >Sure, open one window of explorer and navigate to the files that you want
>to
>> >copy, choose then and press CTRL+C
>> >Then either type F6 & the ftp adress or open a new windows and enter the
>ftp
>> >adress in it.
>> >Wait for it to login, press CTRL+V
>>
>> ...so much for drag & drop...
>
>Perhaps you can, I haven't tried.
I have. It doesn't work.
Now, try to teach that finger dancing to some poor
Windows style novice. Even getting them to understand
the operation using menus might be a stretch.
(assuming that variant of cut/paste is available for this)
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From: R.E.Ballard ( Rex Ballard ) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Multiple standards don't constitute choice
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 05:01:02 GMT
In article <D8wa6.49647$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> R.E.Ballard ( Rex Ballard ) wrote:
>
> > > Everyone goes on about how Linux offers me
> > > the 'choice' of which desktop I
> > > can use, unlike Windows. However,
> > > choice here does not equate to consistant
> > > style.
True
> > I've tried several different look and feel themes,
> > and each has it's advantages an weaknesses. I like
> > KDE, the BeOS lookalike, the Gannymede theme, and several
> > other themes.
>
> My point here is that there is no standard.
Actually, there is a formal standard called the ICCCM which stands
for the Interoperable, Client Communications Conventions Protocol.
This makes it possible for standard objects to interoperate
across all complaint systems. For example, a Motif Application will
function properly on KDE, and a GNOME application will function on
Motif.
This is actually MORE important than having a single mandated look and feel.
I can deal with square buttons and round buttons and buttons that look like
houses and buttons that have legally protected trademark icons, but having a
system that can only run 20% of the applications because the applications are
tightly bound to work exclusively with one and only one proprietary system
and only work with that system creates a problem. The classic example was
applications written with Borland C++ that were torpedoed by Microsoft
Service Packs 4 and 5.
Every time Microsoft comes up with a new operating system, applications
written in other development platforms have a strange habit of
malfunctioning.
With Microsoft the standard is: whatever Bill and Steve think is Cool this
month.
You liked the Windows 3.1 layout, look, and feel - too bad, it's gone. You
didn't like Active Desktop, to bad. But hey, with the Windows NT Resource
Kit you can have some cute backgrounds and color schemes.
> The file open/save dialogs look different and act differently.
They also look and act differently on non-microsoft applications, especially
when something other than Visual Studio was used as the development platform.
> The MOTIF style is similar to Gtk and can be
> defeated by a directory with a large number of
> files (Netscape takes ages to display the dialog).
MOTIF was never put into Open Source and run-time shared libraries must be
purchased. Netscape Navigator 4.75 used Motif, and had a 20 megabyte
footprint to handle both the Netscape application (only about 4 megabytes)
and Motif (about 15 megabytes).
> KDE style works better but insists on display icons
> even when all the files aren't known. It's different again.
> Is it so much to ask that these dialogs are consistant,
> instead of at least three styles
> that I can think of on Linux?
But what if you like the KDE desktop and the GNOME file manager.
Wouldn't it be a shame to be forced to have to switch Window
managers and desktops to be able to use favorite applications?
Most of this is very subjective, a matter of taste, a suite of intangables,
an agreement of millions, but with no particular commitment to these
subjective characteristics.
If you really wanted to, you could create a desktop configuration
that ONLY ran your KDE applications, but then you'd miss out on
all the features that GTK+ offers in it's programs. You wouldn't
even have Netscape or StarOffice.
Instead, you can mix and match applications based on the features you like
most without being restricted to a single platform, destop, toolkit, or
development system.
> > The core controls are pretty consistent. You may have
> > different positioning, or a different ICON. It takes a
> > second or two to learn what the decorations mean.
>
> Yes the core controls pretty much are, but I'm talking
> about the combination of core controls.
But that's the point. Sure, the file selection dialogue is different on
different systems. Unfortunately, each approach represents a different
combination of user simplicity, memory, performance, and development time.
You could get an entire file manager, but then even your 80386 with 4 meg of
RAM would have to swap it's brians out trying to navagate your file selection
manager.
On the other hand, if I know I have limited memory and CPU,
I can select TWM, AWT, and GTK applications for most of my
applications. When I really need to do something ugly,
like start StarOffice to convert a Word Document into
an RTF or HTML document, I can suffer through the 5
minutes it takes to load the StarOffice application
on such a system.
> > > No I can't -
> > > my choice is restricted here to whatever
> > > toolkit the application is created with.
You also have source code. You have a number of options.
If all you want is a "consistent interface", just
use the Web Browser. You've been using Linux and
UNIX systems for years using this interface.
If you really want to cripple your system, that is your choice.
You could set up your menus to only display the KDE/Qt applications.
Of course, if you thing you want to sell this appliance or distribution, you
will be competing against distributions where nothing is held back.
Red Hat tried to exclude KDE from their desktop and MandrakeSoft
created a whole new market for Red Hat compatible systems with
the full suite of applications, not just those released under
the GTK license.
> > Keep in mind there are different legal, financial,
> > and performance issues related to any toolkit.
> > The first lesson of programming is that there are
> > at least 5 ways to do any task, and the "best" is
> > a function of constraints that are subjective as well
> > as technical.
> I'm sorry, I don't quite see your point here?
You have spend what, 10 years, working with Windows?
> > Developers who aren't willing to fork over $6000
> > per programmer for the right to publish Qt programs
> > (KDE toolkit) often chose to program
> > for GNOME. Others who just wanted something quick and dirty wrote
> > code in Python or Perl/TK or TCL/TK.
>
> Qt has been free for free software for some time now.
Only a certain subset. Many of the controls and features are
under the control of the Troll developer license.
> > On the other hand, there are actually
> > about 40 different configuration
> > tools that have been developed to
> > manipulate these files. Which one you
> > like best is a matter of personal taste.
>
> Which one is the KDE equivalent of linuxconf?
> DrakConf, DiskDrake etc.?
KDE Control Center?
> > > It is true that on Windows, application do
> > > use different styles of file
> > > open/save dialogs - however, there is
> > > a system wide _standard_ that 99% of
> > > applications use.
> >
> > And there abligations and up-front expenses
> > that are included with each of these. Microsoft
> > charges $400 for Visual Basic Professional,
> > $600 for Visual C++. MSDN Enterprise edition costs
> > nearly $1500 per person per year.
>
> Which is interesting but not relevant to my point.
Actually, it's completely relevant. There are over 30 Open Source Licenses,
each of which has different restrictions, advantages, and terms.
Again, which toolkit is best for a particular developer is a function of
familiarity, training, license terms, security concerns, and trust of the
Vendor controlling the license. There are some who don't trust Sun's Java
license.
> > The choice of which car is right for you depends on how far
> > you drive, which roads you drive, what the weather is like,
> > your income, your tax status, and some regulatory issues.
>
> But if the cars come with the pedals arranged
> in a different order instead
> of the one standard we have now, does
> that not make cars a pain to drive
> when you change model?
Moving the pedals would be a problem. On other hand I learned
to drive an Automatic Transmission, then I learned 3-on-the-tree,
then I learned 4-on-the-floor (truck), then I learned 5 speed.
I often drive rental cars, and I frequently get different makes
and models. Each car has slightly different instrumentation,
high-low dimmer, windshield wipers, heater, air-conditioning,
and Radio. It takes about 3 minutes to learn the new control
panel.
> --
> Pete, running KDE2 on Linux Mandrake 7.2
>
>
--
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Linux Advocate, Internet Pioneer
http://www.open4success.com
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and growing at over 9%/month! (recalibrated 01/14/00)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charlie Ebert)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: 3100 W2K Adv Servers deployed accross Europe
Reply-To: Charlie Ebert:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 05:18:08 GMT
In article <em7b6.13456$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Chad Myers wrote:
>
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> On 22 Jan 2001 18:53:18 -0600, Jan Johanson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >While little MiG tries to impress with some brochure sites...
>> >
>> >MediaWave is deploying over 3,100 windows 2000 advanced servers all over
>> >europe to handle multimillions of simultaneous audio and video streams.
>> >
>> >Talk about demanding! Is there even a streaming server available for linux?
>>
>> You mean besides RealVideo and Quicktime?
>
>RealVideo is pathetic. That is the biggest pile of crap software I've ever
>seen.
>
>Quicktime... eh, not too bad. Certainly nothing on the order of WMT,
>but not too bad.
>
>Not to mention that you can only get the Darwin version of the streaming
>server for Linux which isn't supported necessarily and is only in Beta.
>
>Oh yeah, and the QuickTime client really sucks big time on both Windows
>and Mac. How do you play QuickTime 4 media on Linux? Is there an
>OSS port? I thought the QT4 stuff was proprietary?
>
>-Chad
>
>
If they port OSX over to Linux, and all of a sudden Linux can
install and use any windows app, then what?
Charlie
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: A salutary lesson about open source
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 00:20:19 -0500
Chad Myers wrote:
>
> "Bobby D. Bryant" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Chad Myers wrote:
> >
> > > Oh yeah, and by the way, what are they running on the back end that
> > > does all the searching?
> > >
> > > Yeah, that's right. It used to be NT, I think it's partly NT/Solaris
> > > now. They might be migrating all to Solaris, but maybe not after
> > > the ebay debacle.
> >
> > Garsh. I almost find myself tempted to ask why they're migrating to Solaris
> > rather than to W2K.
>
> Sun probably paid them a bunch to do it.
>
> However, it was supposed to be completed a long time ago, and I don't
> recall seeing a PR that herralded it, so perhaps they changed their mind.
>
> They were a Unix-type shop to begin with anyhow, the logical choice for
> them was to grow up from Linux and get Solaris. They had NT because one
> of the Senior management was smart and decided to use NT on the back end.
> It served them well, as you can see.
>
> However, I hope they're careful with the Sun migration as you saw
> with eBay what can happen when you rely on Sun for both hardware
> and software.
In My experience, that would be: A Sun system that never crashes.
>
> -Chad
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.)
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: Linux is crude and inconsistent.
Date: 24 Jan 2001 05:23:10 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy Ayende Rahien <Please@don't.spam> wrote:
> Doesn't matter.
> Word will open the document, I'm not sure how it does it, but it doesn't do
> it by the extention.
Actually, it does in some cases.
> If you try to open an RTF document with doc extention in word, it will open
> it just right.
> Try & you'll see.
I understand this.
> The reason for this is that extention is quite easily changable.
> That is why most programs relies on file contents to identify the data
> format the document is stored as (document mean here anything that is inside
> a file).
Changing the extension of a natural .doc file will not change its format or
encoding.
By your logic, you could change an .mp3 to a .rm and be able to see a movie.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charlie Ebert)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Does Code Decay
Reply-To: Charlie Ebert:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 05:28:30 GMT
In article <_Rrb6.2207$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
>Yes and no. Code itself doesn't decay, but it's associations can.
>
Yes and NO? GOD DAMN!
GEEZUS C. I can't believe I'm reading this.
I'm sorry, I just can't. This one liner has me in tears I'm laughing
so hard.
>For instance, an interface the code uses can be changed, and thus the code
>breaks despite no actual decay in the program itself.
>
>Over time, architectures become clouded and brittle when there are many
>changes. We've all seen a house that's had addition after addition added on
>to it, and after a while it looks like a frankenstein's monster. The same
>is true of code that is hacked or patched but not rewritten.
>
Code may not Decay E.F. but certain Yes and No answers do have gas.
Hope this helps.
Charlie
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