Linux-Advocacy Digest #716, Volume #31 Thu, 25 Jan 01 01:13:03 EST
Contents:
Re: I am preparing to teach a Linux class and I am soliciting advice ("Les Mikesell")
Re: A salutary lesson about open source ("JS/PL")
Re: So much for Linux being more Difficult than Windows (Russ Lyttle)
Re: So much for Linux being more Difficult than Windows (Russ Lyttle)
Re: Kernel space? Who gives a @#$% ("Les Mikesell")
Re: Linux is crude and inconsistant ("Kyle Jacobs")
Re: New Microsoft Ad :-) ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: So much for Linux being more Difficult than Windows ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: So much for Linux being more Difficult than Windows (Russ Lyttle)
Re: Linux is crude and inconsistent. (.)
Re: Linux is crude and inconsistant ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Does Code Decay ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: M$ websites down again ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
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From: "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux.admin,comp.os.linux.help,linux.redhat
Subject: Re: I am preparing to teach a Linux class and I am soliciting advice
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 05:06:53 GMT
"Jeff Silverman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:94gqn6$rmd$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Hi. I am an experienced Linux/UNIX sysadmin and I am getting ready to
teach a class on Linux for
> the Communications Workers of America and WashTech. I am soliciting
comments and suggestions from
> people in the Linux community about what I ought to teach.
>
> The students will be adults with some computer experience, most likely in
MacOS or MS-Windows.
Are the users interested in using Linux as a desktop instead of a Mac, or do
they
want to learn server/network administration? You should expose them to
both the underlying shell commands and the GUI apps, but tune the depth
of each to their needs. Be sure to show them how to use multiple Xterms
with cut&paste even when doing CLI operations and how to recall and
edit commands from shell history.
> I assume that I have to teach them the basics:
>
> 1) How to login and how to logout
Both console/telnet and xdm style.
> 2) File manipulation commands: cp, mv, rm, rmdir, ln, cat, more, find,
grep, sort, uniq.
> Also I/O redirection and pipelines
Yes - and some simple shell operations: set/expand/export variables, a
simple loop, `cmd` expansion, etc.
> 3) An editor. vi? emacs? Something else? No flame wars, please.
Let them use nedit or cooledit if they want. Vi and emacs are great
but they take too long to learn for a beginning course and they are
so unlike anything else that they will confuse people. Demonstrate
the minimal vi commands that it takes to fix files before you get X
up and suggest that anyone planning to do system administration take
the time to learn it, but don't make it a course requirement (unless
this is really a sysadmin course...).
> 4) Minimal sysadmin stuff - assuming they are going to run their own
machines.
> Is that a reasonable assumption? Account management. Minimal security
issues.
> Networking (that's a mouthful).
Depends: is this a sysadmin course, an apps course, or just general survival
skills?
You probably won't have time to teach all of this and most distributions
have
their own way of doing things. Cover the basic concepts of user/group
id's,
IP addresses, and the like but mostly show how to find details when you
need them. Man man, man -k, etc. Xman is kind of old an klunky but
it is still handy to browse in 'show both screens' mode. References to
a few good books and urls are worth a lot.
> It gets more complicated... GUIs. Should I teach KDE? gnome? Motif?
Spend most of your time on the things they have in common, make a list
of the main differences.
> How about shell scripting?
That's a course by itself, but they should know enough to configure their
login environment, set up a simple cron job, etc.
> What do beginning users need to know?
Enough to get to the point where they can find their own answers.
Les Mikesell
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From: "JS/PL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: A salutary lesson about open source
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 00:06:19 -0500
"J Sloan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> Laugh as you like, but IBM dwarfs microsoft, and a billion
> dollars is no chump change.
IBM's size is a disadvantage, and always has been. That's why there IS a
Microsoft. They're an ocean liner in a jet ski race.
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From: Russ Lyttle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: So much for Linux being more Difficult than Windows
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 05:08:26 GMT
Ayende Rahien wrote:
>
> "Russ Lyttle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > >
> > > On Mon, 22 Jan 2001 19:14:00 +0500, "Gary Hallock"
> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > >Sure, after waiting a few days for the CD to be shipped in the mail.
> > > >You totally missed the point.
> > > >
> > > >Gary
> > >
> > > No YOU missed the point Gary.
> > > Earthlink provides software on the CD that he can't use because it
> > > doesn't run under Linux. It's more for a family, or newbie, but it is
> > > useful none the less. Oh yea it also includes the latest version of IE
> > > 5.5 a quality browser instead of that piece of trash Netscape.
> > > And BTW the Windows user can connect just as easily by calling them,
> > > and guess what it takes about 10 minutes because the person on the
> > > other end of the phone will know exactly how to assist you in setting
> > > up your system.
> > > Most of his hour was probably spent waiting for Earthlink to find the
> > > one person in the support department who knows anything about Linsux.
> > >
> > > So it is YOU who, once again miss the picture.
> > >
> > > Flatfish
> > > Why do they call it a flatfish?
> > > Remove the ++++ to reply.
> > I really could have gotten windows up and running before the CD got
> > here, I think. But even so, setting up and getting logged into an
> > unknown ISP is more difficult with windows. Also I wouldn't have had ftp
> > as that wasn't included on any of my windows distributions. I didn't
> > finish the CD install because it wanted to install IE on my computer and
> > I had enough troubele getting that piece of trash off the first time.
>
> More difficult? Hah!
> Exactly *how*?
>
> What do you mean by ftp? client? server?
Yes to both.
> PWS is a free http & ftp server for windows 9x, it is somewhere in the CD.
They gave me a site to go to to down load ftp if I insisted on doing my
own web page.
> IIS is for NT.
> Both OS has a builtin text-based ftp client, as well as IE capable of
> functioning as FTP client.
Must have disappeared when I removed IE. The ISP didn't think it was
included in their verision of IE. I can do the "get" part of ftp from
Netscape and IE (at work) but not the "put" part.
--
Russ Lyttle, PE
<http://www.flash.net/~lyttlec>
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From: Russ Lyttle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: So much for Linux being more Difficult than Windows
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 05:11:27 GMT
Ayende Rahien wrote:
>
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > On Wed, 24 Jan 2001 05:03:10 +0200, Ayende Rahien <Please@don't.spam>
> wrote:
> > >
> > >"Russ Lyttle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > On Mon, 22 Jan 2001 19:14:00 +0500, "Gary Hallock"
> > >> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > [deletia]
> > >More difficult? Hah!
> > >Exactly *how*?
> > >
> > >What do you mean by ftp? client? server?
> > >PWS is a free http & ftp server for windows 9x, it is somewhere in the
> CD.
> > >IIS is for NT.
> > >Both OS has a builtin text-based ftp client, as well as IE capable of
> > >functioning as FTP client.
> >
> > Then please outline the procedure for initiating an
> > upload with IE5...
>
> Sure, open one window of explorer and navigate to the files that you want to
> copy, choose then and press CTRL+C
> Then either type F6 & the ftp adress or open a new windows and enter the ftp
> adress in it.
> Wait for it to login, press CTRL+V
Linux :
ftp [site name]
[login as prompted]
cd [destination directory]
put [filename]
bye
as I said elsewhere, the put feature doesn't work from NT at work.
--
Russ Lyttle, PE
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From: "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Kernel space? Who gives a @#$%
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 05:15:20 GMT
"Conrad Rutherford" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:3a632a16$0$45720$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> >
> > How can I remove NT's kernel mode GUI?
>
> Why bother? Who cares? Besides, run the NT box headless...
>
Keep all of the overhead, get none of the value, good plan there.
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "Kyle Jacobs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: Linux is crude and inconsistant
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 05:11:52 GMT
"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Not by anyone that I've ever talked to (and that would cover more people
> using Works than your average person.) It was great in comparison to
> nothing, of course, so plenty of new users probably figured it was
> great. But Works itself disavowed them of that notion, even if they
> figured out how to make it work for their purposes.
Each to their own, but this paragraph is mixing today's Microsoft situation
with yesterday's. Microsoft didn't have ANY monopoly during this time, they
had the "new product", and even then, you can't deny the consumer had a
choice.
> The thing is, Works was the 'low cost' crapware bundle. It was included
> on millions upon millions of PCs, if they didn't have any 'real' office
> suite. It was the only 'integrated package' available, really, for
> Windows, and the cheapest and cruddiest in DOS. Even on systems that
> would come with WordPerfect or the Lotus suite if you bought a bundled
> option, the default if you didn't was Microsoft Works.
Ah, back then, there weren't really any "bundles" to be had. As far as the
retail market WAS concerend, there was IBM, and PB.
> Because it was a fantastic suite? Don't make me laugh; its the cheapest
> and the cruddiest, remember? Its just the only one that came from One
> Microsoft Way.
Are we talking about the same Works? I remember the first prodctivity to
put a GUI into a DOS prodctivity suite. It provided the top 4 most common
programs (although each wasn't quite as powerful as other programs) and came
as a seperate box of disks available at your local Montgomery Ward.
> >WP users had
> >training (remember Word Perfect classes?) Works required none.
>
> No, they just didn't get any. Usually. I've been called in on quite
> few 'emergency [doesn't] Works sessions', back when I did PC apps.
Shitty programming I guess, hell it WAS DOS.
> >People just
> >understood, and having a well made instruction manual didn't hurt either.
>
> The fact that it was so rudimentary it was laughable (even considering
> the technology of the time and the alternatives when it had
> alternatives) is what made it really painless.
Ah this was concidered innovative new technology at the time. The really
good stuff came later.
> >WP is older than office. Back in "the day", MSDOS based WP was the
> >"professional rage" even though it didn't come to Windows for quite some
> >time. Even then, the Win version was terribly slow, and majorly buggy.
Of
> >course people prefered Office.
>
> After all, Office programmers had full and complete access to the Win32
> developers and documentation, weren't distracted by developing for OS/2,
> and got at least a year's start on Windows.
Doesn't negate the fact that other Windows programs weren't nearly as shitty
as WP for Windows. Office WAS the superior product. It won through
features and simplicty.
> People didn't 'prefer' Office, though. They did prefer Word; they even
> preferred Excel. Both ran better than any of the professional packages
> from non-monopoly-owners on Windows, and nobody could get a PC without
> Windows for some odd reason! But they pretty much didn't go for Office
> until Microsoft started force-bundling it, after Win95. Old
> applications die hard, of course, but a few years with no air supply
> makes for quite a bit of attrition.
Look, we all know how the monopoly started, but let's remember that there
was no DOS monopoly. There WAS a choice, and Microsoft won.
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <Please@don't.spam>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: New Microsoft Ad :-)
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 07:05:08 +0200
Reply-To: "Ayende Rahien" <Please@don't.spam>
"." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > If the machine is safe from attacks, and if it's stable, why mess with
it?
> > If it was open to attacks, I would disagree, but if it's working and
it's
> > stable, why bother?
>
> The state of NT4 prior to Service Pack 3 is (one reason) why.
The state of 2K prior to SP1 is (one reason) why not.
> I certainly agree a service pack should not be applied until a great deal
> of backing up and testing is done... MS didn't get it right the first
> time, so you can't rely on them to get it right the second, third,
> fourth, fifth, sixth or six-a'th time either. But the important point is
> that they definitely did not get it right on the first go.
I'm not aware of any special problems with 2K's SP1, or are you talking
about NT's SP?
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <Please@don't.spam>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: So much for Linux being more Difficult than Windows
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 07:12:12 +0200
Reply-To: "Ayende Rahien" <Please@don't.spam>
"Russ Lyttle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Ayende Rahien wrote:
> >
> > "Russ Lyttle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, 22 Jan 2001 19:14:00 +0500, "Gary Hallock"
> > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >Sure, after waiting a few days for the CD to be shipped in the
mail.
> > > > >You totally missed the point.
> > > > >
> > > > >Gary
> > > >
> > > > No YOU missed the point Gary.
> > > > Earthlink provides software on the CD that he can't use because it
> > > > doesn't run under Linux. It's more for a family, or newbie, but it
is
> > > > useful none the less. Oh yea it also includes the latest version of
IE
> > > > 5.5 a quality browser instead of that piece of trash Netscape.
> > > > And BTW the Windows user can connect just as easily by calling them,
> > > > and guess what it takes about 10 minutes because the person on the
> > > > other end of the phone will know exactly how to assist you in
setting
> > > > up your system.
> > > > Most of his hour was probably spent waiting for Earthlink to find
the
> > > > one person in the support department who knows anything about
Linsux.
> > > >
> > > > So it is YOU who, once again miss the picture.
> > > >
> > > > Flatfish
> > > > Why do they call it a flatfish?
> > > > Remove the ++++ to reply.
> > > I really could have gotten windows up and running before the CD got
> > > here, I think. But even so, setting up and getting logged into an
> > > unknown ISP is more difficult with windows. Also I wouldn't have had
ftp
> > > as that wasn't included on any of my windows distributions. I didn't
> > > finish the CD install because it wanted to install IE on my computer
and
> > > I had enough troubele getting that piece of trash off the first time.
> >
> > More difficult? Hah!
> > Exactly *how*?
> >
> > What do you mean by ftp? client? server?
> Yes to both.
>
> > PWS is a free http & ftp server for windows 9x, it is somewhere in the
CD.
> They gave me a site to go to to down load ftp if I insisted on doing my
> own web page.
No, it's on the 98 CD somewhere, support tool, IIRC, it's mainly used for
development, btw.
> > IIS is for NT.
> > Both OS has a builtin text-based ftp client, as well as IE capable of
> > functioning as FTP client.
>
> Must have disappeared when I removed IE. The ISP didn't think it was
> included in their verision of IE. I can do the "get" part of ftp from
> Netscape and IE (at work) but not the "put" part.
Netscape is a read-only FTP client, but you can copy & paste files with IE
to & from FTP sites.
No drag & drop, though.
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From: Russ Lyttle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: So much for Linux being more Difficult than Windows
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 05:16:24 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> On Tue, 23 Jan 2001 01:28:53 GMT, Russ Lyttle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> >It took 4 days for the CD to show up. I had already been up and running
> >for *FOUR* days with Linux.
>
> You could have done the same with Windows.
> You at least have a choice with Windows to use the CD or install
> manually and you wouldn't have to wait for somebody who knows about
> Linux to help you.
>
> >The first instruction in the Quick Start guide was " 1. Insert the CD
> >into your computer's CD-ROM drive. The **** installer should begin
> >running immediately." Guess what. My system isn't configured for autorun
> >on the CD. What do you do if that is true of your system? Nary a hint. A
> >naive user would be stuck at that point.
>
> Wrong,
> I guess you didn't read the installation instructions because I am
> looking at them right now and they tell you if the installation
> program does not start click on start menu ->run and type in
>
> x:/win98/setup.exe
>
> Substitute your CDROM drive letter for the "x".
>
My copy direct quote :
"1. Insert the CD into your comuter's CD-ROM drive. The [name omitted]
5.0 installer should begin running immediately.
2. Read the [name omitted] Acceptable Use Policy, then click the next
button."
Nary a word anywhere on any on the papers I got about what to do if the
CD-ROM doesn't start.
It does say that if you have trouble, to log into their support web
site.
> They even tell you how to determine your CDROM drive letter.
>
> Surprising that a Linux user doesn't read the instructions.
>
> >Note that this only gets me logged into my "personalized start page".
> >Nothing else. I can imagine that the isp isn't too happy with people
> >running Linux. They don't visit the "personalized start page" and
> >therefore don't accumulate hits for the advertisers and are slightly
> >more trouble to track as they surf.
>
> It's kinda nice for a family who may have several users and are not
> computer experts.
>
> You get IE 5.5 and other stuff as well.
>
> > No free Digital Camera yet.
>
> It's not bad.
>
> Flatfish
> Why do they call it a flatfish?
> Remove the ++++ to reply.
--
Russ Lyttle, PE
<http://www.flash.net/~lyttlec>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.)
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: Linux is crude and inconsistent.
Date: 25 Jan 2001 05:23:41 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Said . in comp.os.linux.advocacy on 24 Jan 2001 23:11:59 GMT;
> [...]
>>> Not entirely. Ayende is somewhat correct (it doesn't work in all
>>> situations) that if you change the extension to .doc, that will be
>>> enough to get Windows to launch Word when you 'open' the file from the
>>> desktop.
>>
>>Yes, but I was very clear in saying that I opened up the document from *inside*
>>word. I know better than to just double click on questionable documents.
> I'm afraid we might have gotten discombobulated. The suggestion was to
> change the extension without opening the file, and giving it to the
> VP-dweeb who wouldn't open anything but a '.doc' file.
Ah, my mistake. Apologies.
I actually wasnt as interested in fixing the problem as I was finding out what
caused it in the first place.
>>> Once Word is opening the file, it will identify the format
>>> and, hopefully, convert it or suggest a converter. Changing the
>>> extension does not change the file format, you are correct, but its
>>> enough to get Word to launch, which is the goal.
>>
>>Not in my case, word was already running. And I found the error: there were six
>>control characters at the beginning of the first line that is particular to
>>staroffice saving a document as W6.0 (possibly under solaris, I havent confirmed
>>that yet) that makes word flip out, and locks up the entire operating system.
> Rather peculiar behavior. Send what you've got to staroffice, I guess;
> it might help.
I've submitted it to Sun through one of our vendors. This has got to be a rare
bug; if it was common we surely would have heard about it on slashdot by now...:)
But since it is repeatable, its bound to be at least a little bit of fun...:)
=====.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux is crude and inconsistant
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 00:23:13 -0500
Steve Mading wrote:
>
> Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> : Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
>
> :> I recompiled Netscape to disguise what platform I'm *actually* using.
> :>
> :> Security through obfuscation.
>
> : AH! That explains why 99% of your posts are pure noise! Of course! That's
> : it!
>
> There is a legitimate reason to do what Aaron did. There are some
> websites out there that check the browser type and alter their
> behavior accordingly. Some of them don't account for the existance
> of Linux, and as such deny a Linux browser even when there's no
> technical reason it woudln't work.
>
> Of course, this means Aaron is contributing false figures to website
> logs at those sites he visits, and thereby helping the myth that Linux
> doesn't exist on the desktop. That's why I refuse to do such a thing.
My primary purpose is to keep USENET fiends who take this all waaaaaaaay
too seriously from hacking my system.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Does Code Decay
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 00:24:19 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> On 24 Jan 2001 13:58:17 -0600, Conrad Rutherford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >"mlw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Yes and no. Code itself doesn't decay, but it's associations can.
> >> >
> >> > For instance, an interface the code uses can be changed, and thus the
> >code
> >> > breaks despite no actual decay in the program itself.
> >> >
> >> > Over time, architectures become clouded and brittle when there are many
> >> > changes. We've all seen a house that's had addition after addition
> >added on
> >> > to it, and after a while it looks like a frankenstein's monster. The
> >same
> >> > is true of code that is hacked or patched but not rewritten.
> >>
> >> Oh, wait. Lets let just of brief silence punctuate the humor. ready?
> >ready?
> >>
> >> OK, I have code that is almost 10 years old that still compiles and works
> >for
> >> console DOS and UNIX.
> >
> >gee, maybe cause console DOS hasn't change in 10 years? And perhaps the
> >existance of the same libraries in unix makes that code still operation?
>
> People whine about all versions of DirectX being supported
> by Microsoft. Why can't the same be true of Win16 and Win32?
>
> [deletia]
> >> One of the reasons Microsoft only makes crap is because they do not design
> >> before they write. They hack an interface and change is constantly making
> >it
> >> virtually impossible to build a stable code base. Most UNIX code can
> >remain
> >> untouched for a decade or more and still be usable. The same can't be said
> >for
> >> Windows.
> >
> >gee, perhaps cause unix is still ancient and hasn't advanced any in a decade
> >or more. Text mode is still text mode.
>
> Despite the fact that Unix had a GUI capable of using overlapping
> windows before Microsoft did... <snicker>
SunOS in 1984 :-)))))
>
> [deletia]
>
> --
>
> Unless you've got the engineering process to match a DEC,
> you won't produce a VMS.
>
> You'll just end up with the likes of NT.
> |||
> / | \
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: M$ websites down again
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 00:24:58 -0500
"." wrote:
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > On 24 Jan 2001 20:54:39 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.) wrote:
>
> >>Tell me, claire, why is it a bad idea to put all your domain name servers
> >>on one segment?
>
> > I dunno?
>
> There are tons and tons of reasons, but one of the basic ones is that you
> if that segment barfs (as they naturally do), you have no redundancy; youve
> lost your entire DN service.
>
> This is what happened to microsoft, because theyre idiots.
>
This failure brought to you by the letters MSCE.
> -----.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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