Linux-Advocacy Digest #718, Volume #31 Thu, 25 Jan 01 02:13:04 EST
Contents:
Re: Getting first W2K server ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: A salutary lesson about open source (J Sloan)
Thursday 25 January 2001 NY/SIGAPL Meeting: Andrew MacLeod on Sharp APL for
GNU/Linux ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Comparison: Installing W2K and Linux 2.4 (sfcybear)
Re: Linux 2.4 Major Advance ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Comparison: Installing W2K and Linux 2.4 ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Why can't Microsoft keep their web servers up? ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: Why can't Microsoft keep their web servers up? ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: Why can't Microsoft keep their web servers up? ("Erik Funkenbusch")
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Getting first W2K server
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 01:08:12 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Posting here because I believe anti-microsfts aremore here then in any
> other newsgroup.
>
> New CIO tell us we will convert one of present mission-critical systems
> to Microsoft even though vendor doesn't care what we run still it has to
> be only Oracle. We are IBM only shop today, having many AS/400 and
> RS/6000 only. I and programming and admins are wondering what ugly
> surprises is lurking for us in running W2K in this situation. What can
> go wrong and what can add cost that we amy not getting told by vendor?
You know how, right now, when you go home from work, you don't have to
come in until start of business, the next day.
Forget that. You'll be coming into work at all hours of the day, now.
In the middle of dinner; when you're a sleep; you name it, you'll
be called away from it....to babysit the goddamned Microshaft
piece of shit operating system
>
> Please Microsoft advocates, please do not waste my time giving good news
> as I have sit recently through 10 hours of vendor feelgood shit
> presentation and I am not in a good mood.
>
> Sent via Deja.com
> http://www.deja.com/
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: J Sloan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: A salutary lesson about open source
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 06:20:32 GMT
JS/PL wrote:
> "J Sloan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>
> > Laugh as you like, but IBM dwarfs microsoft, and a billion
> > dollars is no chump change.
>
> IBM's size is a disadvantage, and always has been.
Yes, Im sure those world class manufacturing facilties are
a real burden - and the well funded basic research, oh my!
> That's why there IS a
> Microsoft. They're an ocean liner in a jet ski race.
More like an ocean liner in a tug of war....
jjs
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Thursday 25 January 2001 NY/SIGAPL Meeting: Andrew MacLeod on Sharp APL for
GNU/Linux
Date: 25 Jan 2001 01:26:34 -0500
APL is a long time member in good standing of that elite but not small
club, the Club of Superior Languages. At this very moment, in
New York City, Tokyo, Bombay, Paris, and Tuva, APL, J, and K programs are
computing the precise methods to take money from those investors ignorant
of these powerful languages.
Free Software is in process of creating a more free market for all forms
of software. APL and other members of the Club will thrive in this new
market.
http://www.acm.org/sigapl/ny.htm
http://www.acm.org/sigapl/whyapl.htm
http://www.acm.org/sigapl
http://www.izap.com/~sirlin/apl/apl.faq.html
http://dmoz.org/Computers/Programming/Languages/APL
ftp://sunsite.unc.edu/pub/Linux/devel/lang/apl
ftp://archive.uwaterloo.ca/languages/apl/apl-11
http://www.kinfauns.demon.co.uk/APL91.htm
http://www.jsoftware.com
http://www.kx.com
http://wuarchive.wustl.edu/doc/misc/lang-list.txt
http://www.vacets.org/diction/English/J_Engl.txt
http://www.adelaide.net.au/~dbenn/LittleLisp/LittleLispDocs
http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/vihavain/k00/ohpe/history.html
http://faqchest.dynhost.com/prgm/perlu-l/perl-00/perl-0002/perl-000200/perl00020109_15113.html
http://www.cs.unc.edu/~brooks/brooks_cv.html
This meeting is open to the public. There is an attendance fee.
Official notice below.
Jay Sulzberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Corresponding Secretary LXNY
LXNY is New York's Free Computing Organization.
http://www.lxny.org
THURSDAY, JANUARY 25, 2001 MEETING ANNOUNCEMENT of NY/SIGAPL,
the New York City Area chapter of SIGAPL
(the ACM Special Interest Group on APL)
at Philips Electronics North America
1251 Avenue of the Americas (6th Avenue), 20th Floor
New York, NY
Executive Council Meeting, 5:30 PM; Talk, 6:30 PM
Meeting fee: NY/SIGAPL member, $5; non-member $10
For subway and pay-parking information, see end of notice.
Title of Talk: SHARP APL for LINUX An Overview
Speaker: Andrew MacLeod, Customer Account Manager, Soliton Associates
Limited
SHARP APL, previously available for the OS/390 and UNIX environments,
will now be available to operate under LINUX as well. The first
production release of SHARP APL for LINUX will be available by the
meeting date.
The presentation will provide a high-level overview of SHARP APL for
LINUX, covering technical aspects of the product, including
architecture, deployment, the language itself, intrinsic functions,
programming tools, and a Java interface. The presentation will feature
a demonstration of the product.
The Personal edition of the product and documentation will be
available for free download. For information on both the Personal and
Enterprise editions, visit www.soliton.com
__________________________________
Reaching Philips by Subway or Car:
1251 Ave. of the Americas/6th Ave. is between 49th and 50th Streets.
Subway stations nearby:
B D F 47-50th Sts. 6th Ave., Rockefeller Center
N R 49th St. near 7th Ave. (1 stop north of Times Sq.)
1 Broadway at 50th St. (1 stop north of Times Sq.)
Pay parking is available at indoor lots on 50th (eastbound) between
8th Ave. and Broadway.
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From: sfcybear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Comparison: Installing W2K and Linux 2.4
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 06:20:33 GMT
Get a life. The distribution CD will be out in a bit and then it will be
easier that W2K, Faster than W2K, More Stable than W2K, Cheaper than W2K
and a hell of a lot more fun than W2K.
In article <3a6f569d$0$49611$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Conrad Rutherford" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> OK, lesse...
>
> W2K:
> Insert CD into a CD ROM and turn on computer. It boots and begins to
> install. Enter your CD key, name and answer a few default prompts and
> shortly thereafter you have the a very massively feature packed OS
with a
> familiar GUI up and running with all your hardware ready to rock.
HTTP, FTP,
> Media Server, Journaling file system, DirectX hardware acceleration of
every
> device, OpenGL running at the right refresh for that autodetected
monitor
> and video card and the list goes on. Browser ready, wordpad ready,
> mediaplayer supporting pretty much every format (and others are a
codec
> autodownload away), graphics editor and viewers, handicapped
accessiblity,
> communications programs, telnet, ftp, massive network support - the
list
> just goes on and you can just sit back and watch it load.
>
> ==========
>
> ok, now, how to do a BAREBONES Linux 2.4 install, no real apps, just
command
> line crap:
> ==========
>
> For the kernel (the latest stable at the time of writing is 2.4.0, and
the
> latest development version is 2.4.1-test8-10ac) go to kernel.org and
start
> downloading. You'll also need to update modutils and pppd, or as they
are
> formally called, modutils-2.4.0 and pppd-2.4.0. You can get both of
these
> via Freshmeat. You also better set aside some on-line time if you're a
modem
> user, since the kernel weighs in at about 20 MB in its most compressed
> form.. While many users may be a little afraid of compiling the kernel
or
> programs -- I've found the kernel is much easier to compile than you
may
> ever guess. Odds are, all you'll need to know is about 10 commands at
most,
> and if that isn't even enough, here's a quick run-through of the
kernel
> compilation on an x86 Linux system. For a more extensive HowTo, check
out
> LinuxDoc.org, which has all sorts of HowTos.
>
> 1.. First, let's make a boot disk, and we'll also stick a backup
section
> in LILO just in case. To make a boot disk, type:
> mkbootdisk --device /dev/fd0 x.x.x This assumes a couple things. You
need
> to substitute your kernel version for x.x.x. An example would be
2.2.16 for
> a pretty stock distribution, or 2.2.17-21mdk for Linux Mandrake 7.2.
> 2.. Now, let's extract the kernel tarball. This is done like so:
> tar -zxvf linux-x.x.x.tar.gz
> Once again, for x.x.x, you substitute in the kernel version you
> downloaded. Many of you will probably choose 2.4.0. I will assume your
> kernel version is 2.4.0 for the rest of this HowTo. This command will
> extract it to a directory called linux in whatever your working
directory
> is.
> 3.. Now, let's rename it and move it into the source directory.
> mv linux /usr/src/linux-2.4.0
> 4.. Now, on my particular test machine, I needed to patch the kernel
with
> ReiserFS. Patches are applied with the following method:
> cd /usr/src/linux-2.4.0
> and then...
> gzip -cd patchname.gz | patch -p0
> OR
> bzip2 -dc patchname.bz2 | patch -p0
> What you use depends on the type of archive the kernel patch is, it
will
> be either .gz or .bz2
> 5.. Now, this might be the tough part. From here, you need to decide
what
> options you want. Never fear, although, because the kernel
configuration
> utilities have a lot of help included in them. One tip -- know your
> hardware! You can compile a graphical utility or a text-mode utility
like
> this:
> make xconfig (for a X11 version of the configuration program)
> make menuconfig (for a command-line version)
> This will also run whatever program you compile immediately after
> compilation. Shuffle through those options and setup what you need. A
tip
> for NVidia users -- don't compile in agpgart, because NVidia uses
nvagp,
> which can cause problems with the NVidia closed-source drivers. At any
rate,
> you can load agpgart as a module, like it's done in many
distributions. Now
> that you've saved your kernel configuration, you'll be instructed to
do a
> make dep,
> so let's do just that.
> 6.. Next, we need to clear out those temp files from the source,
which
> we'll want to keep on the system.
> make clean
>
> 7.. Now, we need an image Linux can recognize.
> make bzImage
> This makes an image and places it under
> /usr/src/linux-2.4.0/arch/i386/boot/bzImage .
> 8.. Now, we need to make our modules. Here's how we do it:
> make modules
> make modules_install
> 9.. Okay, the hard parts are done. Now we just need to move the
image to
> the right place and tell LILO where it is. Here's how you can do just
that:
> mv /usr/src/linux-2.4.0/arch/i386/boot/bzImage /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.0
> Then, we need to edit the /etc/lilo.conf file to include your new
> kernel -- don't worry too much, we have a backup kernel, as well as an
> emergency boot disk.
> vi /etc/lilo.conf
> This allows you to edit your lilo.conf file with vi. Of course,
there is
> also ed, mcedit, emacs, and many more. Add the following section to
your
> lilo.conf right under the other section that looks the same:
> image=/boot/vmlinuz-2.4.0
> label=linux-2.4.0
> root=/dev/sda6
> read-only
> There are, however; there is one thing we need to talk about. Under
the
> section root=, you need to modify it to tell it where your /boot
partition
> exists. You can find this out under /etc/fstab. The shown root is for
a boot
> partition on a SCSI hard disk, and hda6 would be the sixth slice of
primary
> hard disk on the first IDE controller.
> 10.. Now, we need to run LILO to make sure it knows about our
changes.
> Just run it like so:
> lilo.
>
> That's it! Reboot and you're set to go with your new kernel.
>
> It is also widely known that things break in the first version of a
new
> kernel (even though there has been extensive testing) and all new
features
> may not be included in the latest kernel.
>
> For example, ReiserFS is not included (just as it wasn't in 2.2), but
it
> will come along in kernel 2.4.1, which is now in a test phase. There
are
> also known issues with NVidia cards, which requires a patch to work
with
> kernel 2.4.0 -- go figure with NVidia.
>
> =================
>
> Sure - let's all do this, and make sure you don' mistype that mv
> /usr/src/linux-2.4.0/arch/i386/boot/bzimage /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.0 -
WHOOPS!!!
> Didn't you see that capital "I" in bzImage wasn't a lower case L so it
> didn't work - damn!!!
>
> ahahahahahahahahaah - I love this ... Linux 2.4 for the masses - YEA
RIGHT!
> This is an upgrade?
>
>
Sent via Deja.com
http://www.deja.com/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux 2.4 Major Advance
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 25 Jan 2001 16:48:36 +1100
"Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>I'm merely discrediting them because it's obvious they have a huge
>bias, in fact a grudge.
And from what data, exactly, did you determine this "obvious" fact?
Exactly how many issues of c't have you seen in your life? How many
have you read?
Bernie "10 years and counting, 6 of which were spent in Oz" Meyer
--
One more such victory and we are lost
Pyrrhus
King of Epirus from 306 BC
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Comparison: Installing W2K and Linux 2.4
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 25 Jan 2001 17:07:14 +1100
"Conrad Rutherford" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>ok, now, how to do a BAREBONES Linux 2.4 install, no real apps, just command
>line crap:
Why? Why not, instead, do a full install, with loads and loads of apps, and
a choice of several lovely grphical interfaces? How? Insert Mandrake 7.2
CD-ROM into drive, switch on computer, answer a few very simple questions,
have a coffee, done.
>There are also known issues with NVidia cards, which requires a patch
>to work with kernel 2.4.0 -- go figure with NVidia.
There are? Go figure --- I could have sworn that I patched neither my
kernel, nor NVidia's XF86 4.0 drivers, and the Linux 2.4 machine seems
to be running just fine. Plays DVDs just fine, too. And Quake2.
Tell me, what isn't working on my system?
>Sure - let's all do this, and make sure you don' mistype that mv
>/usr/src/linux-2.4.0/arch/i386/boot/bzimage /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.0 - WHOOPS!!!
>Didn't you see that capital "I" in bzImage wasn't a lower case L so it
>didn't work - damn!!!
That's what's command line completion is for. I'd type
mv /us<TAB>sr<TAB>lin<TAB>a<TAB>i3<TAB>b<TAB>bz<TAB> /bo<TAB>/vmlinuz-2.4.0
Well, not really. First of all, I'd use cp rather than mv. Also, I'd
be in /usr/src/linux already, so I'd use a relative path. And lastly,
I would simply name the image bzImage-2.4 in /boot.
>ahahahahahahahahaah - I love this ... Linux 2.4 for the masses - YEA RIGHT!
>This is an upgrade?
How, exactly, does one upgrade that W2k installation to the latest MS-internal
krnl32.dll build? What? One can't? Oh, well....
Bernie
--
To understand the heart and mind of a person, look not at what he has
already achieved, but at what he aspires to.
Kahlil Gibran
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From: "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why can't Microsoft keep their web servers up?
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 00:53:05 -0600
"Salvador Peralta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
> >
> > Too bad CNET doesn't understand the difference between a DNS failure and
a
> > server being down.
>
> DNS: Domain Name SERVER. ( yes, it can also stand for service -- albeit
> a server-based one. )
First, the title, which says *WEB* server. Second, we don't know if the DNS
server is actually down or just DoS'd.
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From: "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why can't Microsoft keep their web servers up?
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 00:55:01 -0600
"." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:94nfcg$gld$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Erik Funkenbusch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Yes, they do. But it seems that someone is DoSing all their DNS
servers, or
> > spoofing them, or something. This has always been a severe weakness of
the
> > internet, and has accounted for many problems. I remember a while back
> > someone hijacked Network Solutions DNS and was rerouting people to his
own
> > site that were trying to go to NSI.
>
> I see you know all about the problem.
>
> Actually, they have many DNS servers, but in true microsoft style, they
> are all physically located in the same place and are on ONE switched
> segment.
How do you know that? You are aware of what netmasks do, don't you?
In fact, it would be strange if they were on the same segment given their IP
numbers. They seem to have been chosen to fit within the netmasks.
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From: "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why can't Microsoft keep their web servers up?
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 00:56:46 -0600
"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
> >
> > Too bad CNET doesn't understand the difference between a DNS failure and
a
> > server being down.
>
> Too bad Erik Funkenbush doesn't realize that Domain Name SERVICES are
> provided by Domain Name SERVERS.
Too bad you are so blind you can't even read the topic which says *WEB*
servers.
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