Linux-Advocacy Digest #725, Volume #31 Thu, 25 Jan 01 15:13:06 EST
Contents:
Re: Comparison: Installing W2K and Linux 2.4 ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Microsoft "INNOVATES" again! ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Comparison: Installing W2K and Linux 2.4 ("Conrad Rutherford")
Re: Comparison: Installing W2K and Linux 2.4 ("Conrad Rutherford")
Re: Comparison: Installing W2K and Linux 2.4 ("Conrad Rutherford")
Re: Comparison: Installing W2K and Linux 2.4 ("Conrad Rutherford")
Re: Comparison: Installing W2K and Linux 2.4 ("Conrad Rutherford")
Re: Comparison: Installing W2K and Linux 2.4 ("Conrad Rutherford")
Re: Comparison: Installing W2K and Linux 2.4 ("Conrad Rutherford")
Re: Comparison by windows buffoon ("Conrad Rutherford")
Re: Comparison by windows buffoon ("Conrad Rutherford")
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Comparison: Installing W2K and Linux 2.4
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 14:29:20 -0500
Conrad Rutherford wrote:
>
>
> For example, ReiserFS is not included (just as it wasn't in 2.2), but it
> will come along in kernel 2.4.1, which is now in a test phase. There are
> also known issues with NVidia cards, which requires a patch to work with
> kernel 2.4.0 -- go figure with NVidia.
>
Strange...my Linux system is 100% off the SuSE 6.4 CD's, and I have reiserfs,
in fact, everything except the root and swap partition are Reiserfs.
> =================
>
> Sure - let's all do this, and make sure you don' mistype that mv
> /usr/src/linux-2.4.0/arch/i386/boot/bzimage /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.0 - WHOOPS!!!
> Didn't you see that capital "I" in bzImage wasn't a lower case L so it
> didn't work - damn!!!
Translation: No harm done.
>
> ahahahahahahahahaah - I love this ... Linux 2.4 for the masses - YEA RIGHT!
> This is an upgrade?
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Microsoft "INNOVATES" again!
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 14:30:41 -0500
Lloyd Llewellyn wrote:
>
> Microsoft has proved its superior INNOVATION skills once again by coming out
> with a new, highly secret feature in Whistler!
>
> This new exotic feature is a kind of "skin" or "theme" system that can change
> the look and feel of the entire interface of the operating system! Oh my god,
> that is so revolutionary! I can barely comprehend it! I'll bet those Linsux
> Lusers will be drooling over this! They will have to admit defeat now!
>
> http://www.zdnet.com/eweek/stories/general/0,11011,2678102,00.html
>
> "But Microsoft has clamped down in recent days, to the extent that it is not
> allowing testers to view the code and interfaces of the most recent updates in
> order to keep the interface changes from leaking out, according to testers.
>
> Despite Microsoft's precautions, word is quickly leaking out about the intended
> changes.
>
> One tester said Microsoft is changing the Whistler desktop interface by
> introducing some type of "extensible shell," or graphical user interface, based
> on Microsoft .Net. Microsoft also is readying some type of new Windows desktop
> user theme, code-named Luna, as part of its revamp, according to several
> testers.
>
> Desktop themes are user-selectable settings that affect the look and feel of all
> elements of a user's desktop, from the background wallpaper to the cursor.
> Microsoft provides a number of themes as part of Windows. Some third-party
> software makers, such as Stardock, also provide a variety of themes, or skins,
> for Windows."
Wow...NEW BITMAPS.
Exciting!
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Conrad Rutherford" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Comparison: Installing W2K and Linux 2.4
Date: 25 Jan 2001 13:34:13 -0600
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On 24 Jan 2001 16:28:08 -0600, Conrad Rutherford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> >OK, lesse...
> >
> >W2K:
> >Insert CD into a CD ROM and turn on computer. It boots and begins to
> >install. Enter your CD key, name and answer a few default prompts and
> >shortly thereafter you have the a very massively feature packed OS with a
> >familiar GUI up and running with all your hardware ready to rock. HTTP,
FTP,
> >Media Server, Journaling file system, DirectX hardware acceleration of
every
> >device, OpenGL running at the right refresh for that autodetected monitor
> >and video card and the list goes on. Browser ready, wordpad ready,
>
> ...if you lucky.
Then I guess I'm lucky because the 100s (yes, 100s) of installs I've done
ahve always found, at the very least, a default driver to do the job. Then a
quick download from windows update and I'm up - or at most I might have to
visit the manufacturers site for a download. Are you trying to tell me that
drivers for ALL hardware are bundled with Linux? ahahhahahah
>
> Otherwise, you're then going to have to install the driver for
> your vidcard, modem, soundcard & NIC separately. You may or may
> not even find that they are supported.
Now that's funny. A piece of PC hardware that doesn't have windows drivers?
ahahahahahahah - try to say the same about linux drivers (and if you do find
them they are usually unsupported, development beta copies that don't offer
the same functionality)
>
> >mediaplayer supporting pretty much every format (and others are a codec
>
> Short of Quicktime (for which you need to use QT itself wrapped
> in mediaplayer), Linux can handle those as well. This is an
> interesting side effect of the wine project.
So, Linux has to pretend it's Windows in oder to get the job done - imation
is a sincere form of flattery. But, do you really think wine performance is
as good as native performance? We both know otherwise.
>
> >autodownload away), graphics editor and viewers, handicapped
accessiblity,
> >communications programs, telnet, ftp, massive network support - the list
> >just goes on and you can just sit back and watch it load.
> >
> >==========
> >
> >ok, now, how to do a BAREBONES Linux 2.4 install, no real apps, just
command
> >line crap:
> >==========
>
> ...like StarOffice, Corel Perfect Office, Gimp, CorelDraw, Maya,
> Blender, Freeamp, SimCity 3000, Unreal Tournament & Opera.
Excuse me - are ANY of those products included in the download? Show me any
distribution tha tincludes SimCity 3000, Unreal Tournament and CorelDraw and
Gimp and Star Office....
>
> [FUD deleted]
{translation: the truth, denied}
>
>
> Alternately, just wait a few weeks and get their whole 2.4 based
> distro. It's not like an upgrade is a 'required' sort of thing
> anyways.
Didn't say it was... but those are the facts - you choose to ignore/deny
them.
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From: "Conrad Rutherford" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Comparison: Installing W2K and Linux 2.4
Date: 25 Jan 2001 13:35:25 -0600
"Philip Van Hoof" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Conrad Rutherford wrote:
> >
> > OK, lesse...
> >
> > W2K:
<snip>
Ahhh, I clipped all your crap because you simply skipped my point and the
thread. You didn't address my text - instead created a strawman and some
more made up scenarios of your choosing...
Can't take the heat...
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From: "Conrad Rutherford" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Comparison: Installing W2K and Linux 2.4
Date: 25 Jan 2001 13:36:09 -0600
You have to give credit to the PRO-LINUX website and author that I took it
from...
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Ain't it the truth!
>
> I just printed this out to take to my Windows user group meeting
> tonight. I hope you don't mind?
>
> They are going to howl when they see this :)
>
>
>
>
> On 24 Jan 2001 16:28:08 -0600, "Conrad Rutherford"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >OK, lesse...
> >
> >W2K:
> >Insert CD into a CD ROM and turn on computer. It boots and begins to
> >install. Enter your CD key, name and answer a few default prompts and
> >shortly thereafter you have the a very massively feature packed OS with a
> >familiar GUI up and running with all your hardware ready to rock. HTTP,
FTP,
> >Media Server, Journaling file system, DirectX hardware acceleration of
every
> >device, OpenGL running at the right refresh for that autodetected monitor
> >and video card and the list goes on. Browser ready, wordpad ready,
> >mediaplayer supporting pretty much every format (and others are a codec
> >autodownload away), graphics editor and viewers, handicapped
accessiblity,
> >communications programs, telnet, ftp, massive network support - the list
> >just goes on and you can just sit back and watch it load.
> >
> >==========
> >
> >ok, now, how to do a BAREBONES Linux 2.4 install, no real apps, just
command
> >line crap:
> >==========
> >
> >For the kernel (the latest stable at the time of writing is 2.4.0, and
the
> >latest development version is 2.4.1-test8-10ac) go to kernel.org and
start
> >downloading. You'll also need to update modutils and pppd, or as they are
> >formally called, modutils-2.4.0 and pppd-2.4.0. You can get both of these
> >via Freshmeat. You also better set aside some on-line time if you're a
modem
> >user, since the kernel weighs in at about 20 MB in its most compressed
> >form.. While many users may be a little afraid of compiling the kernel or
> >programs -- I've found the kernel is much easier to compile than you may
> >ever guess. Odds are, all you'll need to know is about 10 commands at
most,
> >and if that isn't even enough, here's a quick run-through of the kernel
> >compilation on an x86 Linux system. For a more extensive HowTo, check out
> >LinuxDoc.org, which has all sorts of HowTos.
> >
> >
> > 1.. First, let's make a boot disk, and we'll also stick a backup
section
> >in LILO just in case. To make a boot disk, type:
> > mkbootdisk --device /dev/fd0 x.x.x This assumes a couple things. You
need
> >to substitute your kernel version for x.x.x. An example would be 2.2.16
for
> >a pretty stock distribution, or 2.2.17-21mdk for Linux Mandrake 7.2.
> > 2.. Now, let's extract the kernel tarball. This is done like so:
> > tar -zxvf linux-x.x.x.tar.gz
> > Once again, for x.x.x, you substitute in the kernel version you
> >downloaded. Many of you will probably choose 2.4.0. I will assume your
> >kernel version is 2.4.0 for the rest of this HowTo. This command will
> >extract it to a directory called linux in whatever your working directory
> >is.
> > 3.. Now, let's rename it and move it into the source directory.
> > mv linux /usr/src/linux-2.4.0
> > 4.. Now, on my particular test machine, I needed to patch the kernel
with
> >ReiserFS. Patches are applied with the following method:
> > cd /usr/src/linux-2.4.0
> > and then...
> > gzip -cd patchname.gz | patch -p0
> > OR
> > bzip2 -dc patchname.bz2 | patch -p0
> > What you use depends on the type of archive the kernel patch is, it
will
> >be either .gz or .bz2
> > 5.. Now, this might be the tough part. From here, you need to decide
what
> >options you want. Never fear, although, because the kernel configuration
> >utilities have a lot of help included in them. One tip -- know your
> >hardware! You can compile a graphical utility or a text-mode utility like
> >this:
> > make xconfig (for a X11 version of the configuration program)
> > make menuconfig (for a command-line version)
> > This will also run whatever program you compile immediately after
> >compilation. Shuffle through those options and setup what you need. A tip
> >for NVidia users -- don't compile in agpgart, because NVidia uses nvagp,
> >which can cause problems with the NVidia closed-source drivers. At any
rate,
> >you can load agpgart as a module, like it's done in many distributions.
Now
> >that you've saved your kernel configuration, you'll be instructed to do a
> > make dep,
> > so let's do just that.
> > 6.. Next, we need to clear out those temp files from the source, which
> >we'll want to keep on the system.
> > make clean
> >
> > 7.. Now, we need an image Linux can recognize.
> > make bzImage
> > This makes an image and places it under
> >/usr/src/linux-2.4.0/arch/i386/boot/bzImage .
> > 8.. Now, we need to make our modules. Here's how we do it:
> > make modules
> > make modules_install
> > 9.. Okay, the hard parts are done. Now we just need to move the image
to
> >the right place and tell LILO where it is. Here's how you can do just
that:
> > mv /usr/src/linux-2.4.0/arch/i386/boot/bzImage /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.0
> > Then, we need to edit the /etc/lilo.conf file to include your new
> >kernel -- don't worry too much, we have a backup kernel, as well as an
> >emergency boot disk.
> > vi /etc/lilo.conf
> > This allows you to edit your lilo.conf file with vi. Of course, there
is
> >also ed, mcedit, emacs, and many more. Add the following section to your
> >lilo.conf right under the other section that looks the same:
> > image=/boot/vmlinuz-2.4.0
> > label=linux-2.4.0
> > root=/dev/sda6
> > read-only
> > There are, however; there is one thing we need to talk about. Under the
> >section root=, you need to modify it to tell it where your /boot
partition
> >exists. You can find this out under /etc/fstab. The shown root is for a
boot
> >partition on a SCSI hard disk, and hda6 would be the sixth slice of
primary
> >hard disk on the first IDE controller.
> > 10.. Now, we need to run LILO to make sure it knows about our changes.
> >Just run it like so:
> > lilo.
> >
> >That's it! Reboot and you're set to go with your new kernel.
> >
> >It is also widely known that things break in the first version of a new
> >kernel (even though there has been extensive testing) and all new
features
> >may not be included in the latest kernel.
> >
> >For example, ReiserFS is not included (just as it wasn't in 2.2), but it
> >will come along in kernel 2.4.1, which is now in a test phase. There are
> >also known issues with NVidia cards, which requires a patch to work with
> >kernel 2.4.0 -- go figure with NVidia.
> >
> >=================
> >
> >Sure - let's all do this, and make sure you don' mistype that mv
> >/usr/src/linux-2.4.0/arch/i386/boot/bzimage /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.0 -
WHOOPS!!!
> >Didn't you see that capital "I" in bzImage wasn't a lower case L so it
> >didn't work - damn!!!
> >
> >ahahahahahahahahaah - I love this ... Linux 2.4 for the masses - YEA
RIGHT!
> >This is an upgrade?
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> Flatfish
> Why do they call it a flatfish?
> Remove the ++++ to reply.
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From: "Conrad Rutherford" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Comparison: Installing W2K and Linux 2.4
Date: 25 Jan 2001 13:40:24 -0600
Oh really? Then perhaps you'll tell me why this article was taken from a
PRO-LINUX website that was linked to by slashdot... (which is down right
now, again!)
http://www.thedukeofurl.org/reviews/misc/kernel2224/5.shtml
"J Sloan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > Ain't it the truth!
> >
> > I just printed this out to take to my Windows user group meeting
> > tonight. I hope you don't mind?
> >
> > They are going to howl when they see this :)
>
> Yes, they will howl, unless they have some intelligence,
> at which point they will realize that it's all bogus.
>
> jjs
>
>
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From: "Conrad Rutherford" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Comparison: Installing W2K and Linux 2.4
Date: 25 Jan 2001 13:40:28 -0600
Tell it to The Duke of URL:
http://www.thedukeofurl.org/reviews/misc/kernel2224/5.shtml
"Peter K�hlmann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Conrad Rutherford wrote:
> >
> >
> Nothing
>
> If I've ever seen someone even more of an asshole than Chad Myer, this has
> to him.
>
> Plonk
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From: "Conrad Rutherford" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Comparison: Installing W2K and Linux 2.4
Date: 25 Jan 2001 13:42:21 -0600
"Philip Van Hoof" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Conrad Rutherford wrote:
> >
> > OK, lesse...
> >
> > W2K:
>
> Get yourself a Pentium 3 @ 800 Mhz minimum and a cdrom and a licence (a
> few hundred dollars)
You don't already have a $600 computer? You can't spring $80 for the OS? Are
you that broke that a sub $1000 PC is outta your reach?
>
>
> > ==========
> > ok, now, how to do a BAREBONES Linux 2.4 install, no real apps, just
command
> > line crap:
> > ==========
>
> Why the latest kernel? Why not for example Redhat 6.2 and upgrade your
> kernel? Or Mandrake if you like easy installs. (since you use Windows NT
> you don't care about shitloads of crab on your harddisk.. so mandrake is
> perfect)
Cause we're talking about 2.4 here - DOH! Don't avoid the subject - but you
have to, to avoid the truth.
>
> Lets get another example..
Why, can't face the one I gave? Why? Can't handle it?
<snip> strawman BS krap
> > ahahahahahahahahaah - I love this ... Linux 2.4 for the masses - YEA
RIGHT!
> > This is an upgrade?
>
> 2.4.0 is not yet for the masses. 2.4.5 will be more likely a kernel that
> will be used by the masses. Probably when RedHat starts using the 2.4.x
> series ... 2.4.0 is actually the real first test kernel of the 2.4.x
> series.
Oh, so 2.4.0 is really just a beta, 2.4 isn't even in release version yet
eh? I know 2.4.1 is already out to fix bugs...
------------------------------
From: "Conrad Rutherford" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Comparison: Installing W2K and Linux 2.4
Date: 25 Jan 2001 13:43:13 -0600
Give credit to the pro-linux site author:
http://www.thedukeofurl.org/reviews/misc/kernel2224/5.shtml
linked off that haven for linus worship: /.
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Ain't it the truth!
>
> I just printed this out to take to my Windows user group meeting
> tonight. I hope you don't mind?
>
> They are going to howl when they see this :)
>
>
>
>
> On 24 Jan 2001 16:28:08 -0600, "Conrad Rutherford"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >OK, lesse...
> >
> >W2K:
> >Insert CD into a CD ROM and turn on computer. It boots and begins to
> >install. Enter your CD key, name and answer a few default prompts and
> >shortly thereafter you have the a very massively feature packed OS with a
> >familiar GUI up and running with all your hardware ready to rock. HTTP,
FTP,
> >Media Server, Journaling file system, DirectX hardware acceleration of
every
> >device, OpenGL running at the right refresh for that autodetected monitor
> >and video card and the list goes on. Browser ready, wordpad ready,
> >mediaplayer supporting pretty much every format (and others are a codec
> >autodownload away), graphics editor and viewers, handicapped
accessiblity,
> >communications programs, telnet, ftp, massive network support - the list
> >just goes on and you can just sit back and watch it load.
> >
> >==========
> >
> >ok, now, how to do a BAREBONES Linux 2.4 install, no real apps, just
command
> >line crap:
> >==========
> >
> >For the kernel (the latest stable at the time of writing is 2.4.0, and
the
> >latest development version is 2.4.1-test8-10ac) go to kernel.org and
start
> >downloading. You'll also need to update modutils and pppd, or as they are
> >formally called, modutils-2.4.0 and pppd-2.4.0. You can get both of these
> >via Freshmeat. You also better set aside some on-line time if you're a
modem
> >user, since the kernel weighs in at about 20 MB in its most compressed
> >form.. While many users may be a little afraid of compiling the kernel or
> >programs -- I've found the kernel is much easier to compile than you may
> >ever guess. Odds are, all you'll need to know is about 10 commands at
most,
> >and if that isn't even enough, here's a quick run-through of the kernel
> >compilation on an x86 Linux system. For a more extensive HowTo, check out
> >LinuxDoc.org, which has all sorts of HowTos.
> >
> >
> > 1.. First, let's make a boot disk, and we'll also stick a backup
section
> >in LILO just in case. To make a boot disk, type:
> > mkbootdisk --device /dev/fd0 x.x.x This assumes a couple things. You
need
> >to substitute your kernel version for x.x.x. An example would be 2.2.16
for
> >a pretty stock distribution, or 2.2.17-21mdk for Linux Mandrake 7.2.
> > 2.. Now, let's extract the kernel tarball. This is done like so:
> > tar -zxvf linux-x.x.x.tar.gz
> > Once again, for x.x.x, you substitute in the kernel version you
> >downloaded. Many of you will probably choose 2.4.0. I will assume your
> >kernel version is 2.4.0 for the rest of this HowTo. This command will
> >extract it to a directory called linux in whatever your working directory
> >is.
> > 3.. Now, let's rename it and move it into the source directory.
> > mv linux /usr/src/linux-2.4.0
> > 4.. Now, on my particular test machine, I needed to patch the kernel
with
> >ReiserFS. Patches are applied with the following method:
> > cd /usr/src/linux-2.4.0
> > and then...
> > gzip -cd patchname.gz | patch -p0
> > OR
> > bzip2 -dc patchname.bz2 | patch -p0
> > What you use depends on the type of archive the kernel patch is, it
will
> >be either .gz or .bz2
> > 5.. Now, this might be the tough part. From here, you need to decide
what
> >options you want. Never fear, although, because the kernel configuration
> >utilities have a lot of help included in them. One tip -- know your
> >hardware! You can compile a graphical utility or a text-mode utility like
> >this:
> > make xconfig (for a X11 version of the configuration program)
> > make menuconfig (for a command-line version)
> > This will also run whatever program you compile immediately after
> >compilation. Shuffle through those options and setup what you need. A tip
> >for NVidia users -- don't compile in agpgart, because NVidia uses nvagp,
> >which can cause problems with the NVidia closed-source drivers. At any
rate,
> >you can load agpgart as a module, like it's done in many distributions.
Now
> >that you've saved your kernel configuration, you'll be instructed to do a
> > make dep,
> > so let's do just that.
> > 6.. Next, we need to clear out those temp files from the source, which
> >we'll want to keep on the system.
> > make clean
> >
> > 7.. Now, we need an image Linux can recognize.
> > make bzImage
> > This makes an image and places it under
> >/usr/src/linux-2.4.0/arch/i386/boot/bzImage .
> > 8.. Now, we need to make our modules. Here's how we do it:
> > make modules
> > make modules_install
> > 9.. Okay, the hard parts are done. Now we just need to move the image
to
> >the right place and tell LILO where it is. Here's how you can do just
that:
> > mv /usr/src/linux-2.4.0/arch/i386/boot/bzImage /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.0
> > Then, we need to edit the /etc/lilo.conf file to include your new
> >kernel -- don't worry too much, we have a backup kernel, as well as an
> >emergency boot disk.
> > vi /etc/lilo.conf
> > This allows you to edit your lilo.conf file with vi. Of course, there
is
> >also ed, mcedit, emacs, and many more. Add the following section to your
> >lilo.conf right under the other section that looks the same:
> > image=/boot/vmlinuz-2.4.0
> > label=linux-2.4.0
> > root=/dev/sda6
> > read-only
> > There are, however; there is one thing we need to talk about. Under the
> >section root=, you need to modify it to tell it where your /boot
partition
> >exists. You can find this out under /etc/fstab. The shown root is for a
boot
> >partition on a SCSI hard disk, and hda6 would be the sixth slice of
primary
> >hard disk on the first IDE controller.
> > 10.. Now, we need to run LILO to make sure it knows about our changes.
> >Just run it like so:
> > lilo.
> >
> >That's it! Reboot and you're set to go with your new kernel.
> >
> >It is also widely known that things break in the first version of a new
> >kernel (even though there has been extensive testing) and all new
features
> >may not be included in the latest kernel.
> >
> >For example, ReiserFS is not included (just as it wasn't in 2.2), but it
> >will come along in kernel 2.4.1, which is now in a test phase. There are
> >also known issues with NVidia cards, which requires a patch to work with
> >kernel 2.4.0 -- go figure with NVidia.
> >
> >=================
> >
> >Sure - let's all do this, and make sure you don' mistype that mv
> >/usr/src/linux-2.4.0/arch/i386/boot/bzimage /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.0 -
WHOOPS!!!
> >Didn't you see that capital "I" in bzImage wasn't a lower case L so it
> >didn't work - damn!!!
> >
> >ahahahahahahahahaah - I love this ... Linux 2.4 for the masses - YEA
RIGHT!
> >This is an upgrade?
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> Flatfish
> Why do they call it a flatfish?
> Remove the ++++ to reply.
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From: "Conrad Rutherford" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Comparison by windows buffoon
Date: 25 Jan 2001 13:45:37 -0600
Oh really - tell it to this pro-linux guy who wrote the linux portion:
http://www.thedukeofurl.org/reviews/misc/kernel2224/5.shtml
"J Sloan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Conrad goes to great lengths to contrive the most difficult
> activities possible in Linux and compare that with a routine
> OS install of windows 2000 - anyone with half a brain can
> spot the obvious fallacy.
>
> Conrad Rutherford wrote:
>
> > Sure - let's all do this, and make sure you don' mistype that mv
> > /usr/src/linux-2.4.0/arch/i386/boot/bzimage /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.0 -
WHOOPS!!!
> > Didn't you see that capital "I" in bzImage wasn't a lower case L so it
> > didn't work - damn!!!
>
> Typical of a wintroll who's never used Linux - the shell
> complete's the filename so that there's never a misspelling.
Oh, of course, I'm SURE you could NEVER make a mistake while typing that
long line. Perhaps hitting the complete key while only having /usr/src/linu
typed in and getting the wrong directory eh?
> If you are going to compare OS installs, compare OS installs.
>
> This is apples and oranges. Your example is so obviously
> contrived that it's a bit sad. How much work did you put into
> it? If you are going to try to explain how to download and
> compile a kernel from scratch, then try to find the equivalent
> activity for windows - what, there is none?
Oh - so explain why a reviewer posted to a main page slashdot story who is
pro-linux got it so wrong.
>
> Just for the record, to install Red Hat 7.0, you put the CD
> in the drive, power up the machine, and take the defaults.
So, where is the CD for linux 2.4 that can just boot up and install? I was
talking about linux 2.4 - not RH anything.
> When the 2.4 kernel appears in a distro, you pop in the
> CD, power up the machine and select "upgrade" - now,
> was that hard?
Ahhh, "when... "
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From: "Conrad Rutherford" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Comparison by windows buffoon
Date: 25 Jan 2001 13:45:43 -0600
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Wed, 24 Jan 2001 23:07:34 GMT, J Sloan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Plus, one can make extensive use of wildcards.
>
> Furthermore, there are kernel makefile options that will
> completely insulate you from the 'gory details'.
>
> He doesn't even accurately describe the difficulty of
> a kernel install.
Tell it to the original author who is pro-linux:
http://www.thedukeofurl.org/reviews/misc/kernel2224/5.shtml
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