Linux-Advocacy Digest #726, Volume #31 Thu, 25 Jan 01 15:13:06 EST
Contents:
Re: Comparison: Installing W2K and Linux 2.4
Re: Comparison: Installing W2K and Linux 2.4 ("Conrad Rutherford")
Re: Comparison: Installing W2K and Linux 2.4 ("Conrad Rutherford")
Re: Linux is crude and inconsistant ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Why can't Microsoft keep their web servers up? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Comparison: Installing W2K and Linux 2.4
Re: Linux is crude and inconsistant ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Comparison: Installing W2K and Linux 2.4
Re: Linux is crude and inconsistant ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Comparison: Installing W2K and Linux 2.4
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Comparison: Installing W2K and Linux 2.4
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 19:48:25 -0000
On Thu, 25 Jan 2001 14:29:06 -0500, Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Conrad Rutherford wrote:
>>
>
>>
>> For example, ReiserFS is not included (just as it wasn't in 2.2), but it
No, you just don't have any clue.
Reiser was included with Mandrake 7.1 and is included with 7.2.
I've been running it for some months quite successfully. All I
had to do was select "reiser" in a menu in the graphical
partitioning program.
>> will come along in kernel 2.4.1, which is now in a test phase. There are
>> also known issues with NVidia cards, which requires a patch to work with
>> kernel 2.4.0 -- go figure with NVidia.
>>
>
>Strange...my Linux system is 100% off the SuSE 6.4 CD's, and I have reiserfs,
>in fact, everything except the root and swap partition are Reiserfs.
>
>> =================
>>
>> Sure - let's all do this, and make sure you don' mistype that mv
>> /usr/src/linux-2.4.0/arch/i386/boot/bzimage /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.0 - WHOOPS!!!
>> Didn't you see that capital "I" in bzImage wasn't a lower case L so it
>> didn't work - damn!!!
>
>Translation: No harm done.
[deletia]
--
Also while the herd mentality is certainly there, I think the
nature of software interfaces and how they tend to interfere
with free choice is far more critical. It's not enough to merely
have the "biggest fraternity", you also need a way to trap people
in once they've made a bad initial decision.
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From: "Conrad Rutherford" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Comparison: Installing W2K and Linux 2.4
Date: 25 Jan 2001 13:50:16 -0600
"Daniel Tryba" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:94nne6$dgg$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Conrad Rutherford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > W2K:
> > Insert CD into a CD ROM and turn on computer. It boots and begins to
> > install. Enter your CD key, name and answer a few default prompts and
> > shortly thereafter you have the a very massively feature packed OS with
a
> > familiar GUI up and running with all your hardware ready to rock.
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^ Only if you are used to Windows.
Who hasn't?
>
> > HTTP, FTP,
> > Media Server, Journaling file system, DirectX hardware acceleration of
every
> > device, OpenGL running at the right refresh for that autodetected
monitor
> > and video card and the list goes on.
> Nope, my Matrox G400 was not supported, needed to install drivers, Linux
> supports it natively (framebuffer).
Framebuffer - do you call that "supported?" I sure don't
Besides, your Matrox will come up in svga mode - that's frame buffer mode -
so guess what, according to your definition of supported, W2K handled the
G400 too. And besides, when you look on that G400 CD, did you find linux or
windows drivers? Rest my case.
>
> > Browser ready, wordpad ready,
> > mediaplayer supporting pretty much every format (and others are a codec
> > autodownload away), graphics editor and viewers, handicapped
accessiblity,
> > communications programs, telnet, ftp, massive network support - the list
> > just goes on and you can just sit back and watch it load.
>
> Nope had to replace my 3Com595TX with another networkcard (btw
> manufactured somewhere in '95). Hercules (third head to my machine (the
> G400 is dualheaded)) doesn't work either, and it is still usefull for
> debugging and logging stuff.
Wow, did you have to spend more than $15 for that NIC? And, gee, does linux
(the kernel) support your dualhead g400 in the base distrubution? Support
acceleration and dual-head mode? Without downloading a single thing other
than the base linux product? Didn't think so. Hercules support? Who gives a
shit. My dual head is a Geforce2MX - I don't go for 70s crap.
<snip>
> :( Linux also has the same problem with ACPI and
> this mb but at least one can enable/disable it after install.
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From: "Conrad Rutherford" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Comparison: Installing W2K and Linux 2.4
Date: 25 Jan 2001 13:51:14 -0600
living in denial
"Michel Catudal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Conrad Rutherford a �crit :
> >
> > OK, lesse...
> >
> > W2K:
>
> Give your credit card, reach for your heart to see if it is still
> running, it's getting sore over there.
>
> > Insert CD into a CD ROM and turn on computer. It boots and begins to
> > install. Enter your CD key,
> "Goddam winblows is costing a bundle ..."
> "Food is going to be scarce this week..."
>
> The guy next door is enjoying his Linux install which was a breeze to
install,
> hasn't had to shut down or reboot the system for months. Before too long
SuSE
> is likely to come up with the latest 2.4 kernel, but no rush since
> whatever he's got now works beautifully. When 2.4 comes out it will just
> be icing on the cake. Winblows 98 seems to be taking too much room, need
> space to test new kernel on a separate partition, bye bye useless
winblows!
>
>
> --
> Tired of Microsoft's rebootive multitasking?
> then it's time to upgrade to Linux.
> http://www.netonecom.net/~bbcat
> We have all kinds of links
> and many SuSE 7.0 Linux RPM packages
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: Linux is crude and inconsistant
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 14:52:17 -0500
Lewis Miller wrote:
>
> Aaron R. Kulkis was heard ranting about <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> in
> alt.linux.sux on 24 Jan 2001
>
> >Lewis Miller wrote:
> >>
> >> Aaron R. Kulkis was heard ranting about <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> in alt.linux.sux on 23 Jan 2001
> >>
> >> >Lewis Miller wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Aaron R. Kulkis was heard ranting about
> >> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> in alt.linux.sux on 22 Jan 2001
> >> >>
> >> Because it is. Have you worked in an office recently? The machines are
> >> circulated out every so many months. For newer fast machines. Windows
> >> is easy to toss on, and if there is a problem. I just run image cast
> >> and in about 5-10 minutes the workstation is just like how it started.
> >> And hey no prob, all their files are on the server,or at least they
> >> should be.
> >
> >At what cost?
>
> At budget cost.
A budget which is FAR bigger than what is necessary to accomplish
the same task at SUPERIOR performance in Unix.
>
> >You know...I've seen Unix machines last for 10 YEARS, through NUMEROUS
> >OPERATING SYSTEM UPGRADES, and continue to perform as good OR BETTER
> >than when they were originally purchased.
>
> Yes? And? I use a lot of the inherited 'old' pentiums as Linux servers and
> they preform great. But nobody wants it on their desk. Fine by me they come
> back through our dept. and it's free components. For me thats a memory
> upgrade, or a new HD, etc. and we can spend our same alloted budget on
> better things.
>
> >Why is it that ONLY with LoseDOS does an OS upgrade mean a performance
> >DROP when, in every other OS, an OS upgrade means a performance
> >IMPROVEMENT...
>
> Right, but, will UNIX run better on a 486 DX 4 100MHz, or on a Dual Athlon
> 1.4 GHz? Duh. Simple answer, that's why desktops are upgraded. There are
> enough systems still running NT, that doesn't NEED a pentium 3 or 256 meg
> of RAM to run. but it runs BETTER on better hard ware.
> AND
Conversely, Does Lose2000 even boot up on a 386?
> most importantly. That's just the way it is. And I am a technician level 2,
> I am in no way going to change major business operating procedures. So I
I'm a Systems Engineer, and I MAKE THE DECISIONS that change business
operationg procedures which technicians carry out.
> worry about what I can. The computers and the servers.
>
> >> >> That's what a workstation is all about. The server does all the
> >> >> real
> >> >> work.
> >> >
> >> >Reaaaaaally. So, like, when a designer at GM is sitting at his
> >> >workstation using UniGraphics or SDRC I-DEAS, the workstation is
> >> >merely a front-end for the server???
> >>
> >> No. That sounds a lot like a CAD machine to me. A Workstaion, may as
> >> well be a term server, it's a KIOSK, it's what goes on everyones desk.
> >> The office ppl, who are sometimes rotated out as often as the
> >> machines. And anybody can log onto any machine and do what they need.
> >> A workstation is the crap you fill the English typing lab with. These
> >> are not mission critical machines. A CADD Station, Is a server almost.
> >> It is NOT a workstation.
> >>
> >> >Not even close...dipshit.
> >>
> >> Hey Aaron, quit being an ass with the name calling. I'm the pro-linux
> >> one here. K?
> >
> >You're talking like a moron.
>
> No I'm not. I'm talking like a reasonable person in a real world
> environment. It's about comprimise. Everyone is not going to switch to
> Linux on their desktop. Nor do I think they should. Linux IS a better OS.
Hands down, Linux is a MUCH better desktop OS than HP-UX/Solaris/AIX
(Not sure about IRIX)....ALL of which blow Windows out of the water.
Name ONE corporation which can support 15,000 Windows users all over
the country, with a helpdesk staff of TWENTY admins at a remote location.
That is ALL the system support staff (other than a token keyboard- and
mouse-swapping hardware techs onsite) which EDS provides to GM for
ALL of their engineers, designers, detailers, and checkers (and anybody
else who handles data fo parts and equipment (such as sheetmetal dies).
15,000 UNIX users : 20 Helpdesk staff = 750 users/helpdesk staffer
Conversely, a typical Windows support staff (Kmart Headquarters, 2 miles down
the road from the GM/EDS Helpdesk room) is:
1,500 Windows users : 100 Helpdesk staff = 150 users/helpdesk staff
Server support numbers are even MORE favorable to Unix. (and remember,
the whole point of even HAVING a desktop machine is for the work done
on the SERVERS).
> And? I know that. And ya know what Rayovac batteries are debatably better
> then Duracel AND cheaper. But usually Duracel has better commercials and
> prettier packaging. So those will be bought more. Or not. And either way. I
> would hate to see Rayovac without, Duracel and Energizer.
> You seem to speak of the total destruction of Windows. Not happening
What I would LIKE to see is widespread use of QUALITY and STABILITY
on the desktop.
If GM was producing cars that were as unreliable as M$ Shitware, they
would be out of business...hell, the corporate officers and chief
engineers would be on trial for criminal negligence.
> anytime soon. Nor should it. When it was Linux, OS/2, and Windows. Linux
I don't care who makes, it, just as long as it's not flaky piece of shit.
> and OS/2 were still better. And had it not been for some kinda dumb moves
> on the part of IBM and some illegal business tactics on the part of MS.
> OS/2 would still be around, and would likely be an underdog. But it's
> existence would force MS to stive harder, and with it's headway in the
> market it would force OS/2 to make a better product. Competition pushes
> busineses. Now Linux. Linux isn't about money. It's about programers and
> computer techs wanting an OS that does what they want, and low to no cost.
> And who cares about profitablity. If I write a driver for Linux, I wrote it
> because I needed it. And sure anyone can have access to it, no point in
> making everyone do the same work over again.
Linux is about QUALITY....and *THAT* is what keeps Gates awake at night.
He *KNOWS* that quality has always been LAST on the list of considerations.
Keeping the codebase closed, and the code-base in constant flux has been
the PRIMARY goal, so as to break competitor's software as often as possible.
And now...comes a system, where 25-year old legacy code can run perfectly...
WITHOUT MODIFICATIONS....(not to mention the public domain software repositories
like oak.oakland.edu).
>
> --
> l8r
> -LJM
>
> a.k.a. Jaster Mereel
> a.k.a. MrBobaFett
>
> "Little things used to mean so much to Shelly. I used to think
> they were kind of trivial. Believe me, nothing's trivial. "
> -- Eric Draven, The Crow
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why can't Microsoft keep their web servers up?
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 14:53:50 -0500
"." wrote:
>
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Erik Funkenbusch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > "." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:94nfcg$gld$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Erik Funkenbusch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> > Yes, they do. But it seems that someone is DoSing all their DNS
> > servers, or
> >> > spoofing them, or something. This has always been a severe weakness of
> > the
> >> > internet, and has accounted for many problems. I remember a while back
> >> > someone hijacked Network Solutions DNS and was rerouting people to his
> > own
> >> > site that were trying to go to NSI.
> >>
> >> I see you know all about the problem.
> >>
> >> Actually, they have many DNS servers, but in true microsoft style, they
> >> are all physically located in the same place and are on ONE switched
> >> segment.
>
> > How do you know that? You are aware of what netmasks do, don't you?
>
> Yes. Both dns servers were on the same /24, (dumb) which was on the same
This is what happens when you let an MCSE set things up.
> segment (dumb). The information reached me by way of a mailing list with
This is what happens when you let an MCSE set things up.
> a few people who are in a position to know on it.
>
> > In fact, it would be strange if they were on the same segment given their IP
> > numbers. They seem to have been chosen to fit within the netmasks.
>
> Why? They were in the same /24, same switched segment. The subnet is
> simply 255.255.255.0. This is not a terribly uncommon architecture; though
> it is fairly uncommon to see a 254 port switch---they must have been using
> very few ips on that subnet indeed. (dumb)
This is what happens when you let an MCSE set things up.
>
> -----.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Comparison: Installing W2K and Linux 2.4
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 19:58:50 -0000
On 25 Jan 2001 13:34:13 -0600, Conrad Rutherford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> On 24 Jan 2001 16:28:08 -0600, Conrad Rutherford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>wrote:
>> >OK, lesse...
>> >
>> >W2K:
>> >Insert CD into a CD ROM and turn on computer. It boots and begins to
>> >install. Enter your CD key, name and answer a few default prompts and
>> >shortly thereafter you have the a very massively feature packed OS with a
>> >familiar GUI up and running with all your hardware ready to rock. HTTP,
>FTP,
>> >Media Server, Journaling file system, DirectX hardware acceleration of
>every
>> >device, OpenGL running at the right refresh for that autodetected monitor
>> >and video card and the list goes on. Browser ready, wordpad ready,
>>
>> ...if you lucky.
>
>Then I guess I'm lucky because the 100s (yes, 100s) of installs I've done
>ahve always found, at the very least, a default driver to do the job. Then a
The "default" driver won't give you accelerated Direct3D or OpenGL.
>quick download from windows update and I'm up - or at most I might have to
>visit the manufacturers site for a download. Are you trying to tell me that
>drivers for ALL hardware are bundled with Linux? ahahhahahah
Yup.
If it's available when the disc was pressed, IT'S THERE.
Now, since Linux discs are pressed considerably more often
than WinDOS discs this means that you are far more likely
to have the "easy install" with Linux.
OTOH, many users would be quite puzzled by the process of
finding their own drivers. First, Win2k doesn't even
properly inform an end user what's been detected. It just
gives this vague "unknown device" message. It doesn't even
bother to show the vendor ID.
While a raw device ID might "scare" the poor novice, it is
relatively unlikely that NT would come upon a completely
unknown vendor.
So, the non-guru is not even going to know where to start
if they didn't already have a complete parts list.
>
>>
>> Otherwise, you're then going to have to install the driver for
>> your vidcard, modem, soundcard & NIC separately. You may or may
>> not even find that they are supported.
>
>Now that's funny. A piece of PC hardware that doesn't have windows drivers?
The Voodoo Rush.
Logitech's USB quickam.
>ahahahahahahah - try to say the same about linux drivers (and if you do find
>them they are usually unsupported, development beta copies that don't offer
>the same functionality)
If your brain wasn't addled with Lemming fever, you might actually
acknowledge the fact that Win2K has a different driver model from
win95. Thus, a manufacturer is going to have to specifically target
NT5 which is at this point a relative noboby as far as consumer
marketshare goes.
They might have more actual Mac users.
At this point, you're actually doing the Windows novice
an extreme disservice.
>
>>
>> >mediaplayer supporting pretty much every format (and others are a codec
>>
>> Short of Quicktime (for which you need to use QT itself wrapped
>> in mediaplayer), Linux can handle those as well. This is an
>> interesting side effect of the wine project.
>
>So, Linux has to pretend it's Windows in oder to get the job done - imation
It doesn't really matter how it's done.
>is a sincere form of flattery. But, do you really think wine performance is
>as good as native performance? We both know otherwise.
You obviously don't have the numbers to back up your
vague accusations. Otherwise, they would be in your
post.
>
>>
>> >autodownload away), graphics editor and viewers, handicapped
>accessiblity,
>> >communications programs, telnet, ftp, massive network support - the list
>> >just goes on and you can just sit back and watch it load.
>> >
>> >==========
>> >
>> >ok, now, how to do a BAREBONES Linux 2.4 install, no real apps, just
>command
>> >line crap:
>> >==========
>>
>> ...like StarOffice, Corel Perfect Office, Gimp, CorelDraw, Maya,
>> Blender, Freeamp, SimCity 3000, Unreal Tournament & Opera.
>
>Excuse me - are ANY of those products included in the download? Show me any
>distribution tha tincludes SimCity 3000, Unreal Tournament and CorelDraw and
>Gimp and Star Office....
When's the last time you downloaded W2K?
[deletia]
--
The LGPL does infact tend to be used instead of the GPL in instances
where merely reusing a component, while not actually altering that
component, would be unecessarily burdensome to people seeking to
build their own works.
This dramatically alters the nature and usefulness of Free Software
in practice, contrary to the 'all viral all the time' fantasy the
anti-GPL cabal here would prefer one to believe.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux is crude and inconsistant
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 14:58:30 -0500
Ian Davey wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>wrote:
> >
> >I recompiled Netscape to disguise what platform I'm *actually* using.
> >
> >Security through obfuscation.
>
> Do you mean Mozilla? As far as I'm aware there weren't any working source code
> releases of version 4, so how did you managed to recompile it?
So, you're relying on the forged header to determine which version of
Mozilla I'm using?
Not smart, Ian...not smart at all.
>
> ian.
>
> \ /
> (@_@) http://www.eclipse.co.uk/sweetdespise/ (dark literature)
> /(&)\ http://www.eclipse.co.uk/sweetdespise/libertycaptions/ (art)
> | |
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Comparison: Installing W2K and Linux 2.4
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 20:00:18 -0000
On 25 Jan 2001 13:40:24 -0600, Conrad Rutherford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Oh really? Then perhaps you'll tell me why this article was taken from a
>PRO-LINUX website that was linked to by slashdot... (which is down right
>now, again!)
The "hard way" does not constitute "THE ONLY WAY".
If your own pet OS afforded you some free will you might
understand that...
>
>http://www.thedukeofurl.org/reviews/misc/kernel2224/5.shtml
>
>
>
>"J Sloan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>
>> > Ain't it the truth!
>> >
>> > I just printed this out to take to my Windows user group meeting
>> > tonight. I hope you don't mind?
>> >
>> > They are going to howl when they see this :)
>>
>> Yes, they will howl, unless they have some intelligence,
>> at which point they will realize that it's all bogus.
>>
>> jjs
>>
>>
>
>
--
Also while the herd mentality is certainly there, I think the
nature of software interfaces and how they tend to interfere
with free choice is far more critical. It's not enough to merely
have the "biggest fraternity", you also need a way to trap people
in once they've made a bad initial decision.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux is crude and inconsistant
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 14:59:05 -0500
Pete Goodwin wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ian Davey) wrote:
>
> > >I recompiled Netscape to disguise what platform I'm *actually* using.
> > >
> > >Security through obfuscation.
> >
> > Do you mean Mozilla? As far as I'm aware there weren't any working
> source code
> > releases of version 4, so how did you managed to recompile it?
>
> You don't mean he's ... gasp ... LYING ... do you?
>
No...it means I've changed the version number, too....DUMBASS!
> --
> ---
> Pete
>
> Sent via Deja.com
> http://www.deja.com/
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Subject: Re: Comparison: Installing W2K and Linux 2.4
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 20:01:29 -0000
On 25 Jan 2001 13:40:28 -0600, Conrad Rutherford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Tell it to The Duke of URL:
>
>http://www.thedukeofurl.org/reviews/misc/kernel2224/5.shtml
...yes, a page that has a snapshot of a motherboard on it.
That's certainly germane to a discussion about consumer packaging.
</sarcasm>
>
>"Peter K�hlmann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> Conrad Rutherford wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> Nothing
>>
>> If I've ever seen someone even more of an asshole than Chad Myer, this has
>> to him.
>>
>> Plonk
>
>
--
>> Yes. And the mailer should never hand off directly to a program
>> that allows the content to take control.
>
>Well most mailers can, so I guess they all suck too.
Yup.
Candy from strangers should be treated as such.
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