Linux-Advocacy Digest #749, Volume #31 Fri, 26 Jan 01 18:13:05 EST
Contents:
Re: Poor Linux ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Comparison: Installing W2K and Linux 2.4 ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else (.)
Re: Ramen worm/virus cracks NASA and others ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Run for the hills! (Perry Pip)
Re: Run for the hills! ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Getting first W2K server ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: A Microsoft exodus! ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: New Microsoft Ad :-) (Giuliano Colla)
Re: Does Code Decay ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else (Harlan Grove)
Re: Linux is crude and inconsistant ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Getting first W2K server (Perry Pip)
Re: All this Whistler stuff. (Donn Miller)
Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Run for the hills!
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: Poor Linux
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 17:12:56 -0500
Sgt Detritus wrote:
>
> In article <qEHb6.24150$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> "Kyle Jacobs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > > > No, it was distinctly "no comment" to your "MATCH.... jerkoff"
> line...
> > > > Again, I have no comment as that making rude, personal and often
> > undeserving
> > > > comments about people on USENET is, cowardly, and wrong.
> > >
> > > loser.
> >
> > No comment.
>
> Is it just me, or is there a slight hint of enimity between Mr. Jacobs
> and Mr. Kulkis?
Kyle Jacobs is a fool.
I have no tolerance for such in-duh-viduals.
>
> --
> Any man agitated enough to lift a 300lb. ape
> without noticing is a man with way too much on
> his mind.
> ~~Terry Pratchett, Guards, Guards~~
>
> Sent via Deja.com
> http://www.deja.com/
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Comparison: Installing W2K and Linux 2.4
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 17:13:27 -0500
Les Mikesell wrote:
>
> "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:nUVb6.23233$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > >
> > > > W2K:
> > > > Insert CD into a CD ROM and turn on computer. It boots and begins to
> > > > install. Enter your CD key, name and answer a few default prompts and
> > > > shortly thereafter you have the a very massively feature packed OS
> with a
> > > > familiar GUI up and running with all your hardware ready to rock.
> > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^ Only if you are used to Windows.
> >
> > Sit a brand new user down at Windows, and one at Linux.
> >
> > The Windows user will be productive in a matter of minutes, the Linux
> > one? Well, try back in a few days.
> >
>
> And check back in a couple of months and the windows user will still be
> working just as hard while the Linux user will have as much as possible
> completely automated. How much of your computing life do you expect
> to be inexperienced?
He likes windows....what does this tell you.
>
> Les Mikesell
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else
Date: 26 Jan 2001 22:15:51 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy Erik Funkenbusch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:94spcu$pre$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Harlan Grove <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> > As for corrupt legislators, vote 'em out. "Oh but those nasty evil
>> > corporations give so much money for TV ads." Tough. Go door to door if
>> > you believe in something. Get others to do the same. Incite the
>> > electorate. Don't bitch & moan. Tom Foley, then the Speaker of the US
>> > House of Representatives, should have had a safe seat in congress, but
>> > he was voted out in 1994 (not saying that was a good thing or not). It
>> > can be done, but it does take work.
>>
>> Bullshit.
>>
>> As has been shown beyond the shadow of a doubt in the latest elections
>> in the united states, your vote DOES NOT COUNT.
>>
>> Happy dreamworld,
> Your vote for president may not count, but your vote for congresspeople
> does. Only the presidential election uses the electorate system.
It *may*. We dont know one way or the other yet, and wont until it breaks
so severely that they cant cover it up. :)
=====.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Ramen worm/virus cracks NASA and others
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 17:18:52 -0500
Charlie Ebert wrote:
>
> In article <3a70dfb7$0$11948$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Jan Johanson wrote:
> >
> >"J Sloan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> Conrad Rutherford wrote:
> >>
> >> > But it can't even reach C2 level of security...
> >>
> >> Actually there is work going on right now in that regard,
> >> because government wants to make use of the power
> >> of Linux, rather than having to choose between expensive
> >> traditional RISC Unix solutions, or flaky pc server solutiuons.
> >
> >And W2K is being evaluted as we speak.
> >
> >>
> >> > NT is more "highly securable" the NSA says...
> >>
> >> What a joke - nt can be configured on certain hardware
> >> to get a nominal security rating, but if you install a network
> >> card, or even a floppy, your security rating goes right out
> >> the window. Not a very useful pc, huh?
> >
> >Wrong, completely and utterly wrong.
> >NT4 sp6a certified WITH networking and floppy.
> >http://www.radium.ncsc.mil./tpep/epl/entries/TTAP-CSC-EPL-99-001.html
> >
> >
> >
>
> All I have to say is you ***MUST BE LIVING IN A MOON CRATER FACE DOWN ***
> to have missed the I-LOVE-YOU virus last year!
Time to clean the Coke off the screen.....
>
> Or how about the theft of source code from Microsoft corporate HQ?
>
I'll be travelling to St. Petersburg sometime in the next few months.
I'll see if I can purchase a copy of LoseDOS source code ;-)
> Truely, YOU people NEVER LEARN.
>
> Charlie
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Perry Pip)
Subject: Re: Run for the hills!
Date: 26 Jan 2001 22:19:25 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Fri, 26 Jan 2001 20:17:08 +0000,
Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>And since I'm the one running Linux at home, guess who gets to install it?
>
Well that's very bad news for your company, considering you are an
idiot who as to install Linux four times over before he get's it
running.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Run for the hills!
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 22:25:09 GMT
On Fri, 26 Jan 2001 20:17:08 +0000, Pete Goodwin
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>It's the end of civilisation as we know it!
>
>An OS that never crashes!
>
>A desktop that nobody wants to use!
>
>GASP!
>
>We're getting our first... <choke> Linux... <eek> box... <puke> at work.
>
>And since I'm the one running Linux at home, guess who gets to install it?
1. Make sure everyone knows you had nothing to do with this decision.
2. Take the department out for some pints at the local pub.
3. Leave some chocolate kisses on their desks.
4. Change your name.
5. Start looking for another job.
Following the above should ensure that your car has 4 fully inflated
tires when you go to retrieve it from the parking lot.
Linux generally goes over like a lead balloon on the desktop and I am
certain you will make more than a few hostile friends.
Good luck and get them shields up Scotty!!!
Flatfish
Why do they call it a flatfish?
Remove the ++++ to reply.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Getting first W2K server
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 17:24:45 -0500
Perry Pip wrote:
>
> On Wed, 24 Jan 2001 23:52:04 -0600,
> Bobby D. Bryant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >I should have also said in my other post ("not just Microsoft"), that if your
> >company buys the wrong thing and it doesn't work as advertised, standard
> >practice is to blame the technical staff for sabotaging it.
> >
>
> Now that's funny....look who Microsoft is blaming for their own web site woes:
>
> http://www.cnn.com/2001/TECH/computing/01/25/microsoft.web.sites.reut/index.html
>
> "It was an operational error and not the result of any issue with
> Microsoft or third-party products nor the security of our networks,"
> Microsoft said in a statement released late on Wednesday.
Because saying ANYTHING else would be even more damaging to their reputation.
Translation: "Whatever you tell the press, DON'T admit it to being a Software problem"
>
> Perry
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 17:26:52 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> [nothing intelligent]
THOLEN!
JUST GO JUMP IN THE GODDAMNED VOLCANO, YOU MISERABLE PIECE OF SHIT!
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: Giuliano Colla <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: New Microsoft Ad :-)
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 22:29:14 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> In article <94qe94$ntr$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> "ono" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >> The tests are sending random crap through OS communication channels in
> >> order to see whether the OS will screw up or not. When an application
> >> runs amok, who knows what it's going to do? It would be nice to know
> >> that no matter WHAT an app did, the OS would keep ticking. That's what
> >> these tests show.
> > Did you actually read the article? I don't think you did because they just
> > state about applications that fail. In case you lost the link, here it is;
> > http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~bart/fuzz/fuzz-nt.html.
> > Btw: give me one method (or 'crap' i can feed the os with) that will crash
> > W2K. I've yet to find one.
>
> Does anybody have the source code to the old crashme program? I'm sure it
> would crash w2k if it could be made to compile on it. I don't think any
> Unix OS at the time it was published survived. Some only lasted seconds.
> It ran as a user process by the way so didn't need any special privileges.
You may find a Linux (x86) version at this site:
http://packages.debian.org/stable/devel/crashme.html
It should be source code, but I didn't check.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Does Code Decay
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 17:27:48 -0500
Ayende Rahien wrote:
>
> "kiwiunixman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:94oose$4e8$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Also, there was a good article comparing Mainframe OS's with commercial
> OS's
> > such as Windows 2000 and Solaris, and the main reason why they have a
> > limited uptime when compared to mainfram OS's is due to the fact that
> > Mainframe OS's contain code scrubbers that ensure that less problems occur
>
> Well, MS is targeting the mainframe market at the moment, it shows in W2K.
No doubt that their "aiming method" involves sticking the muzzle in their
own mouths.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: Harlan Grove <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 22:15:10 GMT
In article <94sq0v$pre$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (.) wrote:
...
>You're one of those insane federalists who believes that his government
>is incapable of doing any sort of wrong, arent you?
...
No. I'm one of those realists who prefers a known and objective set of
rules rather than trusting (albeit well meaning) people to fathom the
intentions of voters. And I definitely think that the people who double-
punched shouldn't expect to have their votes count. Wouldn't someone
with the least bit of smarts figure out they couldn't vote twice?
>>Maybe there's a good reason for literacy tests after all.
>
>Perhaps. But ill put my verbal SAT score up against yours or anyone
>elses, any time.
Irrelevant. (Oh, but "ill"/"elses," or were these just typos when you
meant "I'll"/"else's"?)
Sent via Deja.com
http://www.deja.com/
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux is crude and inconsistant
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 17:29:29 -0500
Ian Davey wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>wrote:
> >> >I recompiled Netscape to disguise what platform I'm *actually* using.
> >> >
> >> >Security through obfuscation.
> >>
> >> Do you mean Mozilla? As far as I'm aware there weren't any working source
> > code
> >> releases of version 4, so how did you managed to recompile it?
> >
> >So, you're relying on the forged header to determine which version of
> >Mozilla I'm using?
> >
> >Not smart, Ian...not smart at all.
>
> Nope, I never even looked at you headers. I remember a while back you said you
> tried Netscape 6, but went back to version 4.75. I'm just curious how you'd be
Different box.
> able to recompile it, there's no open source version of 4. You can't even
> recompile Netscape 6, as only Mozilla versions of the code exist (though it's
> all but identical). So I'm guessing you're either just munging the headers on
> a different newsreader (something like nn, tin or slrn), using a proxy or
> actually using windows.
>
> ian.
>
> \ /
> (@_@) http://www.eclipse.co.uk/sweetdespise/ (dark literature)
> /(&)\ http://www.eclipse.co.uk/sweetdespise/libertycaptions/ (art)
> | |
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Perry Pip)
Subject: Re: Getting first W2K server
Date: 26 Jan 2001 22:32:50 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 26 Jan 2001 09:48:14 -0700,
Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Perry Pip) writes:
>
>> On Wed, 24 Jan 2001 23:52:04 -0600,
>> Bobby D. Bryant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> >I should have also said in my other post ("not just Microsoft"), that if your
>> >company buys the wrong thing and it doesn't work as advertised, standard
>> >practice is to blame the technical staff for sabotaging it.
>> >
>>
>> Now that's funny....look who Microsoft is blaming for their own web site woes:
>>
>> http://www.cnn.com/2001/TECH/computing/01/25/microsoft.web.sites.reut/index.html
>>
>> "It was an operational error and not the result of any issue with
>> Microsoft or third-party products nor the security of our networks,"
>> Microsoft said in a statement released late on Wednesday.
>
>So it wasn't DDoS as the Windows people have been saying?
>
The real cause is mostly likely random BSOD's without a clue as to
what is causimg them:(
>(This could happen to anyone, though)
>
Anyone running Win2k, yes:(
Perry
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Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 17:39:31 -0500
From: Donn Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: All this Whistler stuff.
Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
> What exactly would you like to customize in the kernel? Nearly any
> parameter the kernel uses for tuning is accesible through the registry.
I agree. Open source is an advantage, not a necessity. There are
plenty of good closed-source operating systems; Solaris comes to mind.
Also, Windows 2000 and Whistler are decent operating systems. It's just
too damned expensive for me right now, and I tend to like the unix api
and philosphy better.
It's a religious thing, ya know. Certain MS products aren't as bad as
people are claiming. Unix and Microsoft OSen represent two entirely
different cultures, religions, and philosphies, and people just fit into
either cult, but not both.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else
Date: 26 Jan 2001 15:01:50 -0800
Harlan Grove <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> In article <94slbl$176$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bill Unruh) wrote:
> >In <94si7f$7nq$[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Harlan Grove <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >
> >]In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> >] Steve Withers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >]...
> >]>This may offer OS alternatives like Linux a huge toe in the desktop
> >]>door. With more and more homes being networked and having multiple
> PCs,
> >]>how many home and small business users are going to be forced to pay
> up
> >]>and stop using the "One CD fits all" approach they use today?
> >
> >]Don't believe in copyright, do you? The license is pretty clear.Don't
> >]blame Microsoft for enforcing their legal rights. If you don't like
> it,
> >]don't use it. If you oppose copyrights in general, work for changes in
> >]the law.
> >
> >And what do you do when the lawmakers are corrupt? Much of the
> >copyright policy is being dictated by large corporations with the
> >money to spend on political activity.
> >Copyright was originally to protect the maker for the purpose of
> >encouraging the creation of products. There is not evidence that it
...<snip>...
> I don't disagree as long as those practicing civil disobedience realize
> that part of its effectiveness stems from accepting the _current_ legal
> (as opposed to metaphysically just) consequences of such action. As
> long as principled software pirates don't complain when they're caught
> and fined, OK. Most, however, know they're breaking the license terms
...<snip>...
> As for corrupt legislators, vote 'em out. "Oh but those nasty evil
> corporations give so much money for TV ads." Tough. Go door to door if
...<snip>...
> The problem may be that software licenses and copyrights matter to 99%
> of the readers of this newsgroup, who make up less than 0.0001% of the
> world's population (with similar percentages for the US contingent).
> Your average US citizen running Quicken and Math Blaster under Windows
> 98 just doesn't give a damn.
>
>
> Sent via Deja.com
> http://www.deja.com/
All good points by the posters. I'll just add a couple of points.
I'll just add a couple of other points to consider. One, I think that
in some cases companies like Microsoft want people to pirate their
work just so they'll get used to it, then hit 'em for the upgrade. I
know Bill Gates wrote a famous open letter against pirates of his
software back in the very early days, but I suspect that in places
like China, they want all those potential customers to pirate MS and
get used to it rather than go for, say linux.
Second, we've all heard stories about Stephen Foster and Edgar Allan
Poe, and more recently black musicians, getting ripped off for their
famous works. Copyright law was written to protect. It used to be
good for 17 years I think with the possibility of extension. Now it's
been increased so much that the pendulum has swung the other way.
Mickey Mouse might have become public domain, or "Rhapsody In Blue".
There were people who were laboriously typing old encyclopedias into
machine readable form to become part of a public database who got
stopped by the current laws, mostly fueled by corporate greed.
Ideally, the laws should be changed, but that would require a great
public perception of injustice and exploitation, or a strong, focussed
lobbying group (like the corporations have). Maybe it's a problem
that isn't critical enough to up there on the queue with California's
energy crisis or global warming so we just have to live with it.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Subject: Re: Run for the hills!
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 23:03:58 -0000
On 26 Jan 2001 15:09:45 -0700, Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>> It's the end of civilisation as we know it!
>>
>> An OS that never crashes!
>>
>> A desktop that nobody wants to use!
...this didn't stop Microsoft from 1984-1995.
[deletia]
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The LGPL does infact tend to be used instead of the GPL in instances
where merely reusing a component, while not actually altering that
component, would be unecessarily burdensome to people seeking to
build their own works.
This dramatically alters the nature and usefulness of Free Software
in practice, contrary to the 'all viral all the time' fantasy the
anti-GPL cabal here would prefer one to believe.
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