Linux-Advocacy Digest #752, Volume #31 Fri, 26 Jan 01 19:13:05 EST
Contents:
Re: Comparison: Installing W2K and Linux 2.4 (Glitch)
Re: Why can't Microsoft keep their web servers up? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Comparison: Installing W2K and Linux 2.4 ("Gary Hallock")
New way to learn about Open Source? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Comparison: Installing W2K and Linux 2.4 (Nigel)
Re: Getting first W2K server ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else (.)
Re: Why can't Microsoft keep their web servers up? ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: Comparison: Installing W2K and Linux 2.4 (Glitch)
Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
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Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 18:47:31 -0500
From: Glitch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Comparison: Installing W2K and Linux 2.4
Conrad Rutherford wrote:
> "J Sloan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
>> Conrad Rutherford wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Oh really? Then perhaps you'll tell me why this article was taken from a
>>> PRO-LINUX website that was linked to by slashdot...
>>
>> If there is an article on how to compile a kernel from
>> scratch, it is clearly not meant for you, or other non
>> technical end users. It was meant for those who would
>> like to try compiling a kernel from scratch.
>>
>> End of story.
>>
>> Say, how do you do that in windows?
>
>
> Wouldn't know, never HAD to and never wanted to.
wait until RH comes with kernel 2.4 and your argument is moot.
never thought of that did you?
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why can't Microsoft keep their web servers up?
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 18:37:49 -0500
Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
>
> "Joseph T. Adams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:94qcc1$9qg$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > In comp.os.linux.advocacy Erik Funkenbusch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > : Yes, they do. But it seems that someone is DoSing all their DNS
> servers, or
> > : spoofing them, or something. This has always been a severe weakness of
> the
> > : internet, and has accounted for many problems. I remember a while back
> > : someone hijacked Network Solutions DNS and was rerouting people to his
> own
> > : site that were trying to go to NSI.
> >
> > If Microsoft would show even the slightest inclination to use its
> > dominant position on the desktop for good, and to start building
> > robust support for *standard-compliant* IPv6 and IPSec into its
> > software, it could make a BIG contribution to solving this and many of
> > today's other Internet security problems.
>
> Are you not aware that IPSec is built into Win2k?
>
> Also, MS provides complete source to it's IPv6 implementation at:
>
> http://research.microsoft.com/msripv6/
Oooooooh!
Microsoft announces their development of 10-year old technology.
I hear the M$ is feverishly working on closing the Punch-card gap.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Gary Hallock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Comparison: Installing W2K and Linux 2.4
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 18:40:17 +0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> It also has all of the miserable steps that one has to endure in order
> to update that miserable system we have come to know as Linsux.
>
> Your point?
Only if you are so impatient that you can't wait a few weeks for the
distributions to catch up. And only if you really want to compile the
kernel for some reason. As has already been stated, you can get the 2.4
rpms pre-compiled and ready to install. He even says this at the top
of the page:
"While some of you may wish to just RPM it, many users may wish to just
compile and setup an optimal kernel for their system."
Your point?
Gary
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: New way to learn about Open Source?
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 23:38:51 GMT
I've spent the last couple of years building well-known e-commerce
sites using Open Source code. Turns out that I spent a fair amount of
time teaching Open Source technologies (Apache, Linux, MySQL, Perl,
etc.) to jr. programmers. I found that the most effective way to impart
knowledge was the so-called Socratic method of question/answer. I got
so tired of going through the question/answer ritual with each new
engineer, that I put together a website www.codecity.com to do the job
for me. Now, it's taken on a life of it's own and I thought I would
tell this group about it as you may find it useful too. If you could
provide some feedback and maybe even submit a quiz or two through the
site, it would be highly appreciated.
Thankyou,
Jeff C.
www.codecity.com
Sent via Deja.com
http://www.deja.com/
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From: Nigel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Comparison: Installing W2K and Linux 2.4
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 23:53:26 +0000
> He likes windows....what does this tell you.
>
Then why doesn't he do us all a favour and jump through one
(preferably on 20th floor)
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Getting first W2K server
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 18:51:30 -0500
Craig Kelley wrote:
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Perry Pip) writes:
>
> > On Wed, 24 Jan 2001 23:52:04 -0600,
> > Bobby D. Bryant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > >I should have also said in my other post ("not just Microsoft"), that if your
> > >company buys the wrong thing and it doesn't work as advertised, standard
> > >practice is to blame the technical staff for sabotaging it.
> > >
> >
> > Now that's funny....look who Microsoft is blaming for their own web site woes:
> >
> > http://www.cnn.com/2001/TECH/computing/01/25/microsoft.web.sites.reut/index.html
> >
> > "It was an operational error and not the result of any issue with
> > Microsoft or third-party products nor the security of our networks,"
> > Microsoft said in a statement released late on Wednesday.
>
> So it wasn't DDoS as the Windows people have been saying?
>
> Hmm, the last time I checked, having your website down for 24 hours is
> a *major* security hole. Especially since windowsupdate was down, as
> were all the service packs, people's e-mail and such.
>
> (This could happen to anyone, though)
Especially to those with MCSE after their name.
>
> --
> The wheel is turning but the hamster is dead.
> Craig Kelley -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://www.isu.edu/~kellcrai finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP block
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 18:53:05 -0500
Steve Withers wrote:
>
> G'day
>
> I've been following developments closely on this.
>
> It appears that sometime this year all new Microsot software will need
> to be registered....or it will cease to function.
>
> This may offer OS alternatives like Linux a huge toe in the desktop
> door. With more and more homes being networked and having multiple PCs,
> how many home and small business users are going to be forced to pay up
> and stop using the "One CD fits all" approach they use today?
>
> In my own case.....I would have to upgrade 7 home PCs every year for
> both Windows and MS Office.....to the tune of lots of dosh per annum. As
> it is, I now have 3 of those systems on Linux...and quite happily.
>
> But some of my family members are reluctant to give up Windows. I may
> have to suggest to them that they pay for it in future....as I will only
> be paying for Linux software from 2001 onward.
>
> It is intersting that the US produced Windows......the country with
> one-party (two faction) politics has also given us no choice on the
> desktop. While politically diverse Europe with multi-party, proportional
> systems as the politcal norm, has given us Open Software and Linux....
>
> Sort of the illusion of freedom (US politics) vs the reality of freedom
> (European politics - outside Britain).
>
> There is an underlying cultural thing operating here somewhere...... :-)
>
quite true
> Steve
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else
Date: 26 Jan 2001 23:55:28 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy Harlan Grove <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In article <94sq0v$pre$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.) wrote:
> ...
>>You're one of those insane federalists who believes that his government
>>is incapable of doing any sort of wrong, arent you?
> ...
> No. I'm one of those realists who prefers a known and objective set of
> rules rather than trusting (albeit well meaning) people to fathom the
> intentions of voters. And I definitely think that the people who double-
> punched shouldn't expect to have their votes count. Wouldn't someone
> with the least bit of smarts figure out they couldn't vote twice?
This is all well and good for the double punches, which is actually was
not my reference. My reference was the arbitration behind whos votes
got actually counted and whos did not, re: absentee.
>>>Maybe there's a good reason for literacy tests after all.
>>
>>Perhaps. But ill put my verbal SAT score up against yours or anyone
>>elses, any time.
> Irrelevant. (Oh, but "ill"/"elses," or were these just typos when you
> meant "I'll"/"else's"?)
They werent typos, and thats not what I meant. Read my other posts in
this thread.
=====.
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From: "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why can't Microsoft keep their web servers up?
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 18:03:03 -0600
"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
> >
> > "Joseph T. Adams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:94qcc1$9qg$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > In comp.os.linux.advocacy Erik Funkenbusch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > : Yes, they do. But it seems that someone is DoSing all their DNS
> > servers, or
> > > : spoofing them, or something. This has always been a severe weakness
of
> > the
> > > : internet, and has accounted for many problems. I remember a while
back
> > > : someone hijacked Network Solutions DNS and was rerouting people to
his
> > own
> > > : site that were trying to go to NSI.
> > >
> > > If Microsoft would show even the slightest inclination to use its
> > > dominant position on the desktop for good, and to start building
> > > robust support for *standard-compliant* IPv6 and IPSec into its
> > > software, it could make a BIG contribution to solving this and many of
> > > today's other Internet security problems.
> >
> > Are you not aware that IPSec is built into Win2k?
> >
> > Also, MS provides complete source to it's IPv6 implementation at:
> >
> > http://research.microsoft.com/msripv6/
>
> Oooooooh!
>
> Microsoft announces their development of 10-year old technology.
>
> I hear the M$ is feverishly working on closing the Punch-card gap.
Sorry, but IPv6 is really only been finalized as a standard for a few years,
in fact, the original RFC 1883 is dated December, 1995, but was not well
supported by anyone. The superceding specificaiton, RFC 2460 is dated
December, 1998 and appears to be gaining a lot of ground.
Why do you exagerate so much?
I don't think anyone has fully implemented IPv6 yet, though I could be
wrong.
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Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 19:08:30 -0500
From: Glitch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Comparison: Installing W2K and Linux 2.4
Chad Myers wrote:
> "Daniel Tryba" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:94nne6$dgg$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
>> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Conrad Rutherford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> W2K:
>>> Insert CD into a CD ROM and turn on computer. It boots and begins to
>>> install. Enter your CD key, name and answer a few default prompts and
>>> shortly thereafter you have the a very massively feature packed OS with a
>>> familiar GUI up and running with all your hardware ready to rock.
>>
>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^ Only if you are used to Windows.
>
>
> Sit a brand new user down at Windows, and one at Linux.
>
> The Windows user will be productive in a matter of minutes, the Linux
> one? Well, try back in a few days.
>
> -Chad
so just b/c all the windows look the same in Windows means a person can
be more productive than when using Xwindows and Linux??
Considering the concept is the same for Xwindows and MS Windows a
beginning user will have the same experience.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 19:06:37 -0500
"." wrote:
>
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Harlan Grove <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Finally, as for US politics, better bland/boring politics and a diverse
> > and vibrant society than the reverse.
>
> I think we can all agree that what happened in florida during this past
> election could be defined at the very least as a highly disorganized and
> flawed state electoral system.
No...merely corrupt Demoncrook National Committee people playing
footsie with corrupt Demoncrook county election officials and even
more corrupt Demoncrook Florida Supreme Starchamber dictat^H^H^H^H^^H^Hjustices.
>
> A scary thought is that florida may just be the mean in this circumstance.
>
> Half the states may be worse than that.
Read the book "Votescam" by James and Kenneth Collier (Copyright 1992).
Nearly everything that happened in Florida last November was merely
a repeat of typical Demoncrook party election tactics.
Did you notice that the Demoncrooks were "complaining" that the majority
of these tamper-friendly punch-card ballots were in Demoncrook counties.
That was BY DESIGN....by the party which controls those counties...Demoncrooks.
Save America. Shoot a goddamned demoncrook.
>
> Ah, but "its the system, and its the only one we've got; we have to live
> with it", in the words of half a dozen bush-supporting senators in the
> face of the less-than landslide (and real) victory.
>
> Wasnt there something about a government BY the people and FOR the people
> written down somewhere?
Not in any official document.
It was a remark made by Lincoln, by the President who takes 2nd place in the
"how many ways can we violate the Constitution" contest. It was part of
the Gettysburg Address, the ceremony, about a year after the Battle, in
which the military cemetary was made official.
>
> Bah, must notta been important.
>
> -----.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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