Linux-Advocacy Digest #153, Volume #32 Mon, 12 Feb 01 16:13:03 EST
Contents:
Re: Interesting article (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Interesting article (T. Max Devlin)
Re: ERIK FUNKENBUSH CAN'T TELL US ***WHAT*** .NET IS (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Answer this if you can... (John Muir)
Re: Answer this if you can... ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Laptop and linux. Which one??? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Hey Max, You Get Your Linux Machine Yet? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Run for the hills! ("Matthew Gardiner")
Re: Laptop and linux. Which one??? ("Matthew Gardiner")
Re: Answer this if you can... ("Matthew Gardiner")
Re: La-Z-Boy and the Decline of Western Civilisation ("Matthew Gardiner")
Re: Another Linux "Oopsie"! ("Edward Rosten")
Re: Interesting article ("Mike Byrns")
Re: The Double Fucking ala MS... ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Bill Gates and Michael Dell (Peter Hayes)
Re: NTFS Limitations (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Linux fails to deliver on the hype (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Another Linux "Oopsie"! (T. Max Devlin)
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Interesting article
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 19:20:53 GMT
Said Mike Byrns in alt.destroy.microsoft on Mon, 12 Feb 2001 08:08:10
[...]
>I do no such thing. We were talking about comments in code made by
>adolescent seeming linux "programmers" that seem to think that bashing a
>fine MS implemetation of TCP/IP is worthwhile. I opine that your entire
>existance is not worthwhile, based on all your inane rhetoric.
Oddly enough, that's just what I was going to say.
>> Well, I know Giuliano is far too polite to say it, so I'll point out
>> that you're full of shit. If you had the ability to comment on the
>> persons code, then you can do so. Your consideration of the value of
>> validity of his comments, regardless, is really along the lines of "you
>> and the rest of the Microsoft loonies have no say in what we do at all."
>
>The shit is in you bud. Neither you nor him have ever even SEEN the MS
>code. I HAVE seen the linux code. I can comment all I want. :-)
We don't care how much bullshit you make up; that isn't the point.
[...]
>> >Microsoft's implementations are by definition
>> >"professional" -- that's what they do for a living. Linux
>implementations
>> >are by definition "amateur" as they are done as a pastime rather than as
>a
>> >profession. There are maybe a hundred or so folks that actually get paid
>to
>> >code linux (the kernel) and all the varied programs included in all the
>> >distros combined. Hell, Torvalds doesn't even get paid to do the
>kernel --
>> >he gets paid to write microcode for the Transmeta chips and to write the
>> >currently CLOSED SOURCE Mobile Linux.
>>
>> And yet Linux is decidedly kicking Microsoft's ass;
>
>Post some proof to this and I will consider you less of a loser.
I don't care what you think, Mike; you're a troll.
>> when the government
>> finally ends their illegal behavior, they're really going to be up
>> against a wall. Right now they're just really scared, and it is pretty
>> cool to watch. ;-)
>
>Perhaps they, not you, define legality? I don't think that the USGov is
>"scared" in any way. Triffled yes.
Parsing error:Microsoft is the scared one.
[...]
--
T. Max Devlin
*** The best way to convince another is
to state your case moderately and
accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Interesting article
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 19:20:56 GMT
Said David Brown in alt.destroy.microsoft on Mon, 12 Feb 2001 10:20:48
>T. Max Devlin wrote in message
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>>Said David Brown in alt.destroy.microsoft on Sun, 11 Feb 2001 21:08:42
>>>IBM has a solid record of turning out brilliant technology and hopeless
>>>marketing. [...]
>>
>>This oft-repeated bit of nonsense is so vapid as to be tiresome. IBM
>>has a mixed record, as all business do, of both technology and
>>'marketing'.
>
>Fair enough - they have a bit of mixed record, but it is swayed in that
>direction (unlike certain other companies, which are swayed heavily in the
>other direction).
Making it a tentative statement makes it no less vapid, I think. You're
just buying into the 'hindsight bias' which amateurs often mistake for
business analysis. It is obvious that IBM did a truly excellent job of
'marketing' OS/2, since it is still on the market despite having to
oppose illegal anti-competitive monopolization. Not to mention it is
apparently excellent, technically.
Microsoft's business isn't "swayed heavily" towards marketing at all.
They are entirely engaged in monopolization. They use advertising and
press releases as a heavy smoke screen for their illegal behavior behind
the scenes is; that doesn't make it effective marketing.
[...]
> IBM could have stood against MS, and we would be in a rather different
> position now. But they judged the market for OS/2 to be too small to
> make take on MS - and that is only because the market was happier to
> wait an extra year or so for the much inferior Win95, rather than buy
> OS/2 Warp that was available at the time.[...]
IBM did stand against MS; that's why OS/2 is still available. They
didn't make any foolish decisions trying to "compete" with the
anti-competitive. Monopolization isn't simply having large market
share, you know; you don't make a calculation and consider how large
your potential market is in deciding whether or not you can "stand up"
to a monopolist. Well, not unless you don't want to stay in business.
You cannot out-compete a monopoly, and what makes the 'market happy' is
just as meaningless in determining how monopolization works.
--
T. Max Devlin
*** The best way to convince another is
to state your case moderately and
accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: ERIK FUNKENBUSH CAN'T TELL US ***WHAT*** .NET IS
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 19:20:59 GMT
Said chrisv in alt.destroy.microsoft on Mon, 12 Feb 2001 15:41:08 GMT;
>"Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>> To you, sir, I say, "wake up and smell the coffee".
>>
>>BLACK HELIOCOPTERS! HERE THEY COME, RUN FOR COVER!
>
>Yep, we're all paranoid. Microsoft doesn't really want to monopolize
>things. They don't want to maximize the amount of money they make.
Maximizing the amount of money you make is a matter of competing, I'm
afraid, whether they cover this in Business 101 or not. Monopolization
does not maximize the money you make; it is a form of theft, so one can
hardly say one 'makes' the money one gets away with.
>Sheesh. Isn't this what all businessmen do? Isn't this business 101?
No. To compete is the opposite of monopolizing. This is anti-trust law
101.
--
T. Max Devlin
*** The best way to convince another is
to state your case moderately and
accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
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From: John Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Answer this if you can...
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 20:18:20 +0100
Hi folks, I just want to make it clear that I am not a troll. If you
take a look in the comp.os.linux.x ng you will see that I posted at
10:07 on Sunday, Feb. 11 'xterm delete and backspace' ...
---snip---
(Sorry if this is frequently asked, but I found no reference to a FAQ
for this ng.)
My delete and backspace key work as I want outside xterm (i.e.
delete=delete char under the cursor, bs=delete left of the cursor in a
non-X terminal), but in xterm both delete left of cursor.
bind -d seems to be correct and I can 'delete under' with C-d. (vi in
X is also OK)
I have tried modifying .xinitrc and .Xdefaults but nothing seems to
work. ?Where are the 'VT100.Translations' defined?
Could anyone tell a newbie exactly how to achive this? Please!
---pins---
and my post here was at 18:13 i.e. 8 hours and 6 minutes of total
frustration later!
I would like to take the opportunity of thanking the few souls who
kept a level head and even tried to help and to damn the others who
were simply abusive. They do no good to the name of Linux.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Answer this if you can...
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 19:39:33 GMT
On Mon, 12 Feb 2001 20:18:20 +0100, John Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>Hi folks, I just want to make it clear that I am not a troll. If you
>take a look in the comp.os.linux.x ng you will see that I posted at
>10:07 on Sunday, Feb. 11 'xterm delete and backspace' ...
They call everyone who has a complaint about Linux a Troll, although
they will deny it.
The problems you are having are the same exact problems/learning
obstacles that new users of Linux have been having for years
(ie:backspace key).
Flatfish
Why do they call it a flatfish?
Remove the ++++ to reply.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Laptop and linux. Which one???
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 19:41:01 GMT
On Mon, 12 Feb 2001 12:12:54 +0100, Karel Jansens
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Translation: "Mommy! That big bully boy dared to disagree with me! I
>don't know what to say anymore! Boohoo!!"
If you followed the thread you would realize that mlw was the first
one to tell people to get lost, not me.
I'd suggest he get lost as well, but I believe he has already done
that already.
Flatfish
Why do they call it a flatfish?
Remove the ++++ to reply.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Hey Max, You Get Your Linux Machine Yet?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 19:42:32 GMT
Well?
Flatfish
Why do they call it a flatfish?
Remove the ++++ to reply.
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From: "Matthew Gardiner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Run for the hills!
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 08:46:42 +1300
wasn't me? I didn't post it. Some fuckhead posted it under my name, but it
an't me.
Matthew Gardiner
"sfcybear" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:968shn$2bi$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <P2Fc6.14346$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > kiwiunixman wrote:
> >
> > > hmm, how old are you Pete? From the maturity of your post, you sound
> like
> > > a 10 year old with a chip on his sholder.
> >
> > 40 years old.
> >
> > You've obviously never developed a "sense of humour".
>
>
> If what you posted is "humour" I hope I never do develope a "sense of
> humour".
>
>
> >
> > --
> > Pete, running KDE2 on Linux Mandrake 7.2
> >
> >
>
>
> Sent via Deja.com
> http://www.deja.com/
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From: "Matthew Gardiner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Laptop and linux. Which one???
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 08:48:42 +1300
Well, have you run them? probably not.
Matthew Gardiner
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Mon, 12 Feb 2001 10:30:55 GMT, "Matthew Gardiner"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> >Why is it that the largest expansion ATT could do was to include Japan in
> >there network...for a multi-billion company, its pretty pathetic. They
> >mustn't want to make any money with that sort of attitude.
>
> I have no idea, why don't you ask them?
> I'm happy with their ISP service.
>
>
> >Ring up IBM and ask..Jesus thats why there is fucking sales staff on.
>
> Try calling IBM about a Linux problem and see what happens.
>
>
> >> BTW is Diablo II out for Linux yet?
> >Don't play it. I have WORK TO DO, I do not play games and twiddle my
> >thumbs. I read, play music, go to products at the local theatre and
> >actually socialise, unlike you, who probably has never been outside, let
> >alone have contact with another human.
>
> Dountful if you are running Linux., "The OS that consumes the
> Consumer's time."
>
>
> Flatfish
> Why do they call it a flatfish?
> Remove the ++++ to reply.
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From: "Matthew Gardiner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Answer this if you can...
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 08:51:32 +1300
When you bite off the hand that feeds you, you will find the rest of the
pack will attack you.
Matthew Gardiner
"John Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Mon, 12 Feb 2001 10:35:18 GMT, "Matthew Gardiner"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >Why am I silly? This is the free market, if you want to show to the
> >power-to-be (aka companies), don't buy there products, same with OS's.
If
> >Windows or Linux do not suite your requirements, then use another OS. I
> >understand that there are short commings in terms of application
> >inter-operability, but when I do here these complaints, I never
hear..."I'll
> >help fix up the problem".
> >
> Ok, fair point but I'm not a (good enough) C programmer to help
> develop Linux (but I do help in eg. Java ng's). Surely bringing to
> attention some of the problems in Linux that turn people off is a
> positive contribution. Many of the replies here were very
> condescending when I had spent almost an entire day on this BS/DEL
> problem and its obviously non-trivial. That is what is stopping Linux
> really taking off.
>
> >Matthew Gardiner
> >
> >"John Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> On Mon, 12 Feb 2001 00:52:38 GMT, "Matthew Gardiner"
> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >> >If you donot like Linux, don't use it, simple as that. If you don't
like
> >> >Windows, use another OS, like BeOS, QNX RTP or buy a Mac w/ MacOS X.
> >> >
> >> >Matthew Gardiner
> >>
> >> Now lets not get silly here.
> >
>
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From: "Matthew Gardiner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: La-Z-Boy and the Decline of Western Civilisation
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 08:53:21 +1300
I'd hate to see what would happen if someone hacked into the chair and
gained full controll.
Matthew Gardiner
"The Ghost In The Machine" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Tom Wilson
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote
> on Sun, 11 Feb 2001 08:26:12 GMT
> <E0sh6.1205$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >
> >"Adam Warner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> Hi Tom,
> >>
> >> > > I'd hate to know what happens to the seat when it crashes
> >> >
> >> > General Butt Fault?
> >>
> >> LOL. A General Posterior Fault would be an even better description :-)
> >>
> >
> >True, it fits the existing acronym. <g>
> >
> >Another thought.
> >
> >How would people who purchased blue chairs identify a crash?
>
> The Blue Chair of Death?
>
> This could give impressionsable users a complex! :-)
>
> --
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- "Help, my seat just crashed!" "Just boot it."
> EAC code #191 6d:18h:00m actually running Linux.
> We are all naked underneath our clothes.
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Another Linux "Oopsie"!
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 20:03:17 +0000
In article <9699ed$a0a$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
> Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>>Except on Windows, all the applications I've used all seem to work. None
>>of them spew forth postscript on my printer. I've not seen that kind of
>>error on Windows for a _long_ time.
>
> Which brings up one of my pet peeves --- how *do* you print a postscript
> file to a postscript printer under Windows? Note: Under *Windows*. Not
> under DOS.
This works under NT. Fortunately, I aquired the admin passwords for all
the computers, otherwise I wouldn't have been able to do it.
Open up the correct printer's properties dialogue box.
Grab a printer port.
Open a cmd.exe
Use the print command.
Yeah. Nice and intuitive and happy-pointy-clicky. How is the end-user
meant to figure that one out?
-Ed
--
Did you know that the reason that windows steam up in cold|Edward Rosten
weather is because of all the fish in the atmosphere? |u98ejr
- The Hackenthorpe Book of lies |@
|eng.ox.ac.uk
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From: "Mike Byrns" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Interesting article
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 20:11:09 GMT
"Damien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:3a880098$0$17493$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Sun, 11 Feb 2001 22:20:51 GMT, Chad Myers
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > "David Brown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:966okk$3f6$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >
> > > Chad Myers wrote in message ...
> > > >Typically, you have descriptions that match the method name word
> > > >for word, i.e. sendFoo(int x, int y, bar b) "Sends a foo".
>
> > > You mean the methods are named according to what they do?
> >
> > Yeah, but what consists of sending a foo? Perhaps I'd like to override
> > this method, and change one piece of functionality.
>
> sendFoo(Foo f){
> super.sendFoo(f);
> // add your extra functionality here
> }
>
> or
>
> sendFoo(Foo f){
> // send a foo in a different way than the superclass did
> }
>
> You shouldn't have to know what consisits of sending a foo in order to
> use it, of even to add extra functionality. If you want to change how
> the foo is sent, you'll only have to know what the results of sending
> a foo should be.
How in hell do you know to even use sendFoo in the first place if it's not
documented what it does?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Re: The Double Fucking ala MS...
Date: 12 Feb 2001 20:11:26 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Mon, 12 Feb 2001 11:58:12 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charlie
> Ebert) wrote:
>>For 9 months I've been hearing, "YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR, THAT'S
>>WHY LINUX SUCKS" from this man.
> With Linux you get what you DON'T pay for.
> I don't mind paying for quality applications, I just don't want
> software companies peering into my business.
> I buy it, register it and use it and that is the end of it.
> I'll switch to Mac if they start this spyware crap.
And you'll whine louder about MACS than you do about linux.
Take all the problems that youre having with linux and multiply
the instability by about 1000. Enjoy, dipshit.
=====.
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From: Peter Hayes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,rec.games.frp.dnd
Subject: Re: Bill Gates and Michael Dell
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 20:13:17 +0000
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Mon, 12 Feb 2001 00:52:03 GMT, ZnU <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > On Sun, 11 Feb 2001 14:36:44 GMT, ZnU <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
<...>
> > > > As a beta, OSX hasn't shown itself to be anything more than
> > > > glitz, the usual Mac style of form over function - Gates' quote
> > > > in reverse, make it look good then everyone will assume it IS
> > > > good. All I've ever seen quoted about OSX is how wonderful Aqua
> > > > is.
> > >
> > > Quoted where?
<snip quote>
> You claimed that _all_ the quotes you've ever seen have focused on Aqua.
> Clearly, posting a single quote doesn't prove that.
You asked "Quoted where?" I posted a quote by way of example. Clearly I
can't prove that everything I've seen has focussed on Aqua, like proving a
negative.
> I explained in my
> previous response why _many_ quotes focus on Aqua.
I haven't gone looking, just reading what's come my way. One gets more
objective comment that way.
> We're talking about Mac OS X, which you apparently haven't used.
Correct. Nobody puts betas on production machines, so I'm unlikely to see
OSX for some time. The windows bit referred to MacOS.
<...>
On the subject of directory windows.......
> > Any Mac I've used has worked this way. OK maybe there's a setting
> > somewhere to change it but that's the way most people including Mac
> > devotees seem to like it. And since they aren't my machines, I leave
> > them the way the Macites set them up.
>
> No Mac you've used has worked the way you described. Yes, Mac OS 9 will
> spawn a new window when you open a directory, but it doesn't open it in
> a random place, as you claimed it did.
Seems pretty random to me. Probably where someone else left them. I bow to
your superior knowledge.
> I notice you removed my response
> to that statement.
In the interest of brevity. Sorry if I offended.
<snip abbreviated list of Mac defects>
> > User interface is important, yes, but if your OS is 5-10 years out of
> > date the best UI in the world isn't much use. Like a Ferrari with a
> > Trabant engine, it'll go, but not as well as the wrapping would
> > suggest.
>
> This is, of course, total nonsense. The typical user benefits much more
> from a good user interface than from something like preemptive
> multitasking. Please note, I don't say this applies to _all_ users.
I suggest it doesn't apply to _all_ users when their machines lock solid
losing them their work, such that even the attic is fruitless. Suddenly
they'll rather have their data than a "good user interface". Particularly
in a creative environment rather than in a data entry or memo writing
environment.
Clearly you don't use your Mac for creative work where recreating after a
crash what you had before the crash can be very difficult or well nigh
impossible. Or perhaps this is covered by your caveat "Please note, I don't
say this applies to _all_ users".
<snip stalemate>
> > And 90% of Linux apps can paste with the middle mouse button, even
> > between apps. And not just in X.
>
> 90% is pretty bad.
Linux has been around as a desktop OS for maybe 5 years at most. Before
that it was very much a server OS. MacOS has been around 16 years. Linux is
catching up fast.
> And how about styled text? Bitmaps? Vector graphics?
> Movie clips? 3D? Can I copy and paste those between apps yet? How about
> drag-and-drop?
Drag and drop works fine. Cut and paste works fine. 3D ranges from Blender
(free) to Houdini (very expensive). Movies? Broadcast 2000 (free). And so
on. The Gimp, etc.
> > The Gimp has a unique UI, but 5 minutes work and it becomes second
> > nature. Right click in the image you want to adjust and the image
> > manipulation menu appears. No desktop space wasted with menus and
> > certainly better than Macs' single menu for all open apps. Dragging a
> > mouse from bottom right on the right hand 21" monitor to top left of
> > the left hand 21" monitor *every* *single* *time* can get physically
> > and mentally exhausting after a while. I guess there's a key-binding
> > for it somewhere...
>
> If it's getting exhausting, it's probably in your head. The Mac has a
> little thing called mouse acceleration,
That is **HORRIBLE*** I tried it and dumped it within minutes. Only one
person I know uses it.
> and hitting the top of the
> screen is very, very easy, since you can't overshoot. I find Gimp's UI
> awkward and inconsistent (although in Linux there's nothing to be
> consistent with). It's certainly no Photoshop.
A reasonable substitute, and several hundred dollars a seat cheaper.
Excellent for making 3D textures, logos, etc.
Peter
--
In the 19th century surveyors measured the height of Everest
from 500 miles away in India.
This cannot be done today. Everest is no longer visible from
the survey location due to increased atmospheric pollution.
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: NTFS Limitations
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 20:21:18 GMT
Said Chad Myers in alt.destroy.microsoft on Mon, 12 Feb 2001 13:40:57
[...]
>> The multi-platform CLR idea is good. But whether or not this will be yet
>> another JAVA is a question that begs to be asked. Neither Sun nor MS were
>> able to do much with JAVA for understandable reasons. How do you think this
>> will be any different?
>
>Well, for one, Sun didn't market Java very well.
Yes, they did; you're wrong.
>They also missed several
>boats with Java (web applications, embedded, handhelds, etc).
They didn't "miss" them; they aren't what Java does.
>They're
>trying to make up for it, but it's too little too late.
No, they're not 'trying to make up for' anything. You're just a putz
making stuff up off the top of your head. Go troll somebody who isn't
already bored to tears with your fabrications.
[...remainder of Chad-standard fabrications mercifully deleted...]
--
T. Max Devlin
*** The best way to convince another is
to state your case moderately and
accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux fails to deliver on the hype
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 20:34:18 GMT
Said Matthew Gardiner in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Mon, 12 Feb 2001
10:39:47 GMT;
>have a look at the response to Charlies post.
>
>Mathew Gardiner
I have, and didn't understand it any more than he did.
>"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> Said Matthew Gardiner in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Mon, 12 Feb 2001
>> >I've been following this so-called Linux hype, and the companies who are
>> >actually backing it are hoping to use it as a replacement for NT on
>Medium
>> >and Low End Servers and once it has matured, on High-End Servers. There
>> >have only been one or two mainstream hardware vendors actually trying to
>> >push it into the desktop arena, which, will not happen until serious GUI
>> >problems are fixed, such as the poor intergration between the GUI, kernel
>> >and hardware, which, will hopefully be addressed by the end of this year.
>>
>> You have it backwards. The GUI issues get fixed when the OEMs have a
>> revenue stream to fund improvement. People don't adopt an alternative
>> because it improves on what the original was good at; they adopt it
>> because it is better in a way that the original isn't good at. IOW,
>> Linux is attractive to OEMs and their customers because it is
>> inexpensive, easily and completely modifiable (and thus customizable)
>> and open source, so its guaranteed that it will never dry up and blow
>> away, or become a dead end, not because it has a slick GUI. Still, OEMs
>> will definitely put a lot of money into improving the GUI, as will
>> after-market end-users.
>>
>> Its really easy to invert the cause-and-effect in the marketplace, and
>> presume that supply causes demand.
>>
>> --
>> T. Max Devlin
>> *** The best way to convince another is
>> to state your case moderately and
>> accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
>
--
T. Max Devlin
*** The best way to convince another is
to state your case moderately and
accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Another Linux "Oopsie"!
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 20:36:39 GMT
Said Pete Goodwin in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Mon, 12 Feb 2001 13:40:10
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> No, Pete, actually its not. Its your fault you called it a "Linux
>> 'Oopsie'".
>
>Which has got nothing to do with what I was talking about.
Then why did you make it the subject line of your post?
>Are all your posts just so much noise?
Are all your posts so vapid?
--
T. Max Devlin
*** The best way to convince another is
to state your case moderately and
accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
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