Linux-Advocacy Digest #171, Volume #32 Tue, 13 Feb 01 12:13:05 EST
Contents:
Re: 10.8 Terabytes of storage for $50 ("Mike")
Re: The Wintrolls (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: 10.8 Terabytes of storage for $50 (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: ERIK FUNKENBUSH CAN'T TELL US ***WHAT*** .NET IS (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: 10.8 Terabytes of storage for $50 ("Mike")
Re: Whistler, yet another Windows push. (chrisv)
Re: 10.8 Terabytes of storage for $50 ("Mike")
Re: ERIK FUNKENBUSH CAN'T TELL US ***WHAT*** .NET IS (chrisv)
Re: Interesting article (chrisv)
Re: Whistler/.NET will Help Linux ("Lloyd Llewellyn")
Re: 10.8 Terabytes of storage for $50 ("Mike")
Re: I just realized why Google bought Deja.com (Default)
Re: SGI XFS Installation Update ("Edward Rosten")
Re: Linux Threat: non-existant ("Edward Rosten")
Re: Bill Gates and Michael Dell (Peter Hayes)
Re: Answer this if you can... ("Edward Rosten")
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From: "Mike" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: 10.8 Terabytes of storage for $50
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 15:33:25 GMT
"Charlie Ebert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> http://www.slashdot.com
>
> This just posted. They've profected a 10.8 terabyte
> storage device the size of a credit card for $50.
> It's faster than any drive man has ever made.
>
> WHOOM! There went the world.
No, they've announced an untried, unproven, untested technology that they
say could possibly store this much data. They made no claims for speed. If
you read the press release closely, you'll notice that it's read only, and
although it contains no conventional moving parts, it does require a fibre
optic tip to be used to read the data. I don't know the details of their
system, but it sounds really familiar - like other MO systems that have been
researched in recent years.
-- Mike --
Here's the part of the press release that deals with their storage system:
"The fourth and most interesting invention produces a memory system that
enables up to 10.8 terabytes of data to be stored in an area the size of a
credit card, with no conventionally moving parts.
Each square centimetre of this memory system is a closed unit containing a
metal oxide material on which data are recorded, and a reader made of a
fibre optic tip suspended above the material in a lubricant.
The company said the system could be produced commercially within two years,
and each unit should cost no more than $50 (�34) initially, with the price
likely to drop later. The company is seeking partners to produce the units."
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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The Wintrolls
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 10:34:04 -0500
Kevin Croxen wrote:
>
> In article <slrn98gc2p.8db.The.Central.Scrutiniz
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >On Mon, 12 Feb 2001 11:32:43 +0100, Karel Jansens
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>Donn Miller wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Microsoft has been known to ship software before all the bugs were worked
> >>> out just to make a deadline. Also, MS has been known to "pump up" version
> >>> numbers to make their software look better than their competitors. Example:
> >>> MS Word jumped from 2.0 to 6.0 on the Windows platform just to make Word
> >>> look more advanced than Word Perfect, which was in version 5.0 while Word
> >>> was still in v. 2.0b. Verdict:: the quality of the software, not the
> >>> version number, is what's most important.
> >>>
> >>
> >>Yes, and this was what first made me wary about the quality of
> >>Microsoft software; I mean, a company that thinks that upping the
> >>version number is a serious marketing move? But what is even more
> >>scary: Apparently quite a large number of people actually bought Word
> >>6.0 _because_ of that higher-than-WordPerfect (and AmiPro) number! And
> >>they allow these people to use a computer!! What am I saying, they
> >>allow these people out on the street!!!
> >>
> >
> >Just like NT version 1.0, marketed as 3.1.
> >
>
> ...Or Slackware version 4.1 marketed as 7.0.
>
> The good guys are not entirely immune to this practice either.
I think everybody in the Linux marketplace decided to roughly
synchronize with RedHat.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: 10.8 Terabytes of storage for $50
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 10:37:43 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> On Tue, 13 Feb 2001 06:01:04 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charlie
> Ebert) wrote:
>
> >
> >http://www.slashdot.com
> >
> >This just posted. They've profected a 10.8 terabyte
>
> That's 'perfected', not 'profected'. And no, they didn't. It's still
> in R&D, and there's some question as to whether it actually works the
> way they say it will.
>
> >storage device the size of a credit card for $50.
> >It's faster than any drive man has ever made.
> >
>
> Wrong again. Theoretically, the latencies in holographic storage
> devices (which IBM has been tinkering with since the 1970's) is even
> lower.
Personally, I don't trust either technology for commercial production.
Holographic storage is based on electron energy levels....which is
VERY susceptible to corruption by temperature changes (both heating
AND cooling).
This new memory thing...using compression.
I don't like ANY device that automagically runs compression on
my data.
1) 1-bit error in raw storage => many BYTES of errors in read-back
2) storing files that are already compressed take up MORE room.
3) It won't let *ME* decide what I want compressed and not compressed.
>
> >
> >WHOOM! There went the world.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >--
> >Charlie
> >
> > **DEBIAN** **GNU**
> > / / __ __ __ __ __ __ __
> > / /__ / / / \/ / / /_/ / \ \/ /
> >/_____/ /_/ /_/\__/ /_____/ /_/\_\
> > http://www.debian.org
> >
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: ERIK FUNKENBUSH CAN'T TELL US ***WHAT*** .NET IS
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 10:40:13 -0500
David Brown wrote:
>
> Chad Myers wrote in message ...
> >> >You make it to seem like they have a secret army that will invade
> >> >your house if you don't buy their products.
> >> >
> >> >Give me a break. Go back to the looney bin where you came from.
> >> >
> >> I don't think they are particularly "secret" but the SPA qualifies
> >> as an organization which will invade homes and businesses trying to
> >
> >Please show me one bit of proof showing that SPA has ever, or has a policy
> >of, invaded(ing) homes.
> >
> >> confiscate any computer equipment which has been "touched" by
> >> software which you cannot prove, to *their* satisfaction, was
> >> licensed properly.
> >
> >They only do that to organizations which are rampantly breaking the
> >law. Every time they've investigated an organization, that organization
> >has been found to have millions of dollars in unlicensed software.
> >Law enforment agencies back the SPA because it is crucial in uncovering
> >gross violations of the law.
> >
>
> Note that Max said "cannot prove, to *their* satisfaction, was licenced
> properly". When the SPA invade your business (homes are unlikely to be
> targets in practice, because the numbers don't justify the effort), it
> matters not a jot how many licences you bought - all that counts is the
> number of stickers on the backs of PCs, or the number of "certificates of
> authcenticity", that you can find. Very, very few people could produce full
> proof of their licences for everything on their PCs, even when everything is
> fully paid for. I have no idea where the licence certificate for my VB3
> is - our company has moved twice since I bought it. In the eyes of the SPA,
> that makes me a theif.
>
> >Are you advocating rampant software piracy?
> >
>
> MS uses the SPA as their hitmen. They are not the slightest bit interested
> in whether a business has bought all their current licences - they want them
> to buy more licences regardless. The idea behind the SPA's actions are to
> scare other organisations into buying new licences to replace those that
> cannot be found or properly identified (as well as to buy licences for
> software that was illegally copied).
>
> Most businesses and organisations have illegally copied software here and
> there. But most of it is non-essential. For example, a small company with
> 5 PCs might have a single copy of some project management software. Most of
> the time, there is only one person using it, and that's all they need. But
> they other employees might also have a copy installed for convenience, so
> that they can view the files on-screen rather than printing them out.
> Legally, this is piracy, but it is costing the software company nothing.
> When discussing piracy, it is important to think of the *real* costs, not
> the figures MS (and other companies, to a lesser extent) bandy around. Yes,
> piracy is illegal, immoral and a problem for the industry, but it is not
> nearly the problem MS make it out to be. The SPA is just a new trick for MS
> to try to get paid more for something they have already sold (like their
> double-charging for drive image installations).
>
> Don't forget that piracy made MS what it is today. If people had always had
> to pay for MS products, they would never have used them in the first place.
>
Classic drug-pusher ploy.
Give the newbie free junk until their addicted.
> >-Chad
> >
> >
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Mike" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: 10.8 Terabytes of storage for $50
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 15:49:47 GMT
"Aaron Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> Hmmmmm, compression.
>
> Compression means 1 bit error = many many bytes of corruption.
> I don't like it.
Actually, it means nothing of the sort. That this result occurs with the
common compression utilities used today only indicates that it's not a
common problem. If it was, it's easy to solve: both the odds of an error and
its propagation length can be controlled. Theoretically, it may even be
easier to detect and correct errors in files that have higher compression
ratios.
-- Mike --
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From: chrisv <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Whistler, yet another Windows push.
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 15:50:27 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] () wrote:
> Even DOZENS of GAMES seems like an exageration.
Well, it's not.
> Plus, that would make it "dozens of games" & not "dozens of apps".
Semantics. The point is, the software is not available on Linux.
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From: "Mike" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: 10.8 Terabytes of storage for $50
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 15:53:22 GMT
"mitch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:3a8936d0.338984162@news...
> I think that companies like 'google' and 'lycos' will make a killing
> in selling localised search engines - they`ll be the only way to find
> things on storage devices such as this, comparable in size to large
> chunks of the internet.
>
> If they haven`t thought of this yet, you saw it here first, and I
> claim all rights to this idea. (Patent Pending)
Good luck, Mitch. Shortly after DEC introduced AltaVista, they began
distributing the local search engine you mention. I don't know what happened
to the product, but the idea is (at least) several years old.
-- Mike --
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From: chrisv <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: ERIK FUNKENBUSH CAN'T TELL US ***WHAT*** .NET IS
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 15:56:33 GMT
"Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>"chrisv" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> >> To you, sir, I say, "wake up and smell the coffee".
>> >
>> >BLACK HELIOCOPTERS! HERE THEY COME, RUN FOR COVER!
>>
>> Yep, we're all paranoid. Microsoft doesn't really want to monopolize
>> things. They don't want to maximize the amount of money they make.
>
>You make it to seem like they have a secret army that will invade
>your house if you don't buy their products.
Umm..... You're the one who brought up the "black helicopters",
dorkweed.
>Give me a break. Go back to the looney bin where you came from.
Go cash your dirty-money check.
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From: chrisv <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Interesting article
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 15:58:19 GMT
"Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>There was, is, and always will be a strong Unix contingent just
>because Unix admins are blockheads and refuse to use whatever's
>best, only Unix.
LOL! Right. It's got NOTHING to do with it being the best tool for
the job...
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From: "Lloyd Llewellyn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Whistler/.NET will Help Linux
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 16:05:41 GMT
> No thanks. I'll just use Slackware. You forget something. Maybe some
> people are SICK AND TIRED OF GIVING OUT PERSONAL INFORMATION. I'm one
> of them. I use cash as much as possible these days. I use no "preferred
> customer card". I'm damn near to the point of using an alias when
> shopping with fake address when asked for that information. I no longer
> answer the phone due to telemarketers, letting a fax carrier put my
> number into a killfile list for the scum to trade. Or, they get a busy
> signal.
I'm with you all the way on that one BV.
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From: "Mike" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: 10.8 Terabytes of storage for $50
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 16:08:06 GMT
"Aaron Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
...
> This new memory thing...using compression.
> I don't like ANY device that automagically runs compression on
> my data.
>
> 1) 1-bit error in raw storage => many BYTES of errors in read-back
>
> 2) storing files that are already compressed take up MORE room.
>
> 3) It won't let *ME* decide what I want compressed and not compressed.
Well, if you read the press release, it seems that they've come up with four
ideas. One of them is this storage thing, and it doesn't involve
compression.
I'll bet you don't know how your data is really stored on your disk, do you?
-- Mike --
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Crossposted-To: alt.religion.kibology,misc.invest.stocks
Subject: Re: I just realized why Google bought Deja.com
From: Default <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 13 Feb 2001 11:42:41 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leeb) writes:
> You know, I betcha the fine folks at Google are going to grep Usenet
> posts for URLs and use them as pointers to stuff on the Web.
>
> Too wild.
Y'know, I'll bet you're right. Wish I'd thought of that...
It's a great idea. It's bound to improve their search accuracy.
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: SGI XFS Installation Update
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 16:55:04 +0000
In article <E4bi6.93$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Tom Wilson"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "Stuart Krivis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> On Tue, 13 Feb 2001 04:47:21 GMT, Tom Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >may have fixed it. Webmin is a far superior config tool, IMHO...
>>
>> vi is a far superior config tool. :-)
>
> If you're gonna be that way about it... Emacs rules! <g>
Naw. You can't beat cat.
Or ed
-ed
--
Did you know that the reason that windows steam up in cold|Edward Rosten
weather is because of all the fish in the atmosphere? |u98ejr
- The Hackenthorpe Book of lies |@
|eng.ox.ac.uk
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux Threat: non-existant
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 17:01:48 +0000
> Because it's a fad. People have been buying Razor scooters like gold,
> but it will die off as well.
Ah yes. And how many fads have lasted for 10 years and have grown
steadily from day 1. This is not a fad.
-Ed
--
Did you know that the reason that windows steam up in cold|Edward Rosten
weather is because of all the fish in the atmosphere? |u98ejr
- The Hackenthorpe Book of lies |@
|eng.ox.ac.uk
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From: Peter Hayes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,rec.games.frp.dnd
Subject: Re: Bill Gates and Michael Dell
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 16:59:32 +0000
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Mon, 12 Feb 2001 21:03:26 GMT, ZnU <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
<...>
> > You asked "Quoted where?"
>
> It was a rhetorical question to lead into my comments about why people
> frequently focus on Aqua when talking about OS X.
Limitations of Usenet communication.
<...>
> > Clearly you don't use your Mac for creative work where recreating
> > after a crash what you had before the crash can be very difficult or
> > well nigh impossible. Or perhaps this is covered by your caveat
> > "Please note, I don't say this applies to _all_ users".
>
> With reasonable saving habits, a user isn't likely to lose more than 15
> minutes of work due to a crash.
You obviously have no idea how much a video editor can create in 15 minutes
when on a roll. You suddenly see exactly how a scene should be cut, it
takes only a few minutes to assemble it to the point where you know it's as
good as it'll ever be, then **SPLAT** the Mac seizes solid. and you just
know you've lost all that work, and worse, you know you'll never be able to
recreate it. But if you're not an editor you'll not understand.
> Mac OS 9, used rather heavily for web
> design work, crashed about twice a month on me. The benefits of a good
> UI more than make up for the ~5 minutes of time per month I lost
> rebooting.
But it doesn't make up for the hours of frustration trying to recreate what
was lost, even if this is possible.
Of course, the stability of a system has nothing to do with the goodness or
otherwise of its UI. It just so happens that MacOS is based on an
inherently unreliable structure - CMT. And modern software makes more
demands on the system than MacOS can cope with. We'll soon find out if OSX
is any better in this regard when these apps are ported to it. No
emulators, please.
<...>
> > Drag and drop works fine.
>
> ...Between apps written with the same toolkit.
I can drag-and-drop URLs between Netscape and WebDownloader. Do they use
the same toolkit?
>
> > Cut and paste works fine.
>
> ...Between apps written with the same toolkit.
I can cut-and-paste URLs between Netscape and Konqueror, for example. And
WebDownloader. Do they all use the same toolkit?
I can cut-and-paste a URL from Agent (running under Wine) and
Netscape/Konqueror - a popup menu appears to shortcut the paste. And that's
from a Windows app. Do they all use the same toolkit?
I can cut-and-paste text from Agent into any one of dozens of Linux text
editors. Do they all use the same toolkit?
No. Different toolkits. Different platforms, even.
QED
> Can I copy a movie clip out of Broadcast 2000 and
> paste it into StarOffice? I was doing things like that 8 years ago in
> Mac OS.
I have no idea.
Of course, with the Mac you have only one UI, one "toolkit". With Linux
there' a wide choice of UIs available. Most of the recent ones will support
dnd, etc.
<...>
> > > The Mac has a little thing called mouse acceleration,
> >
> > That is **HORRIBLE*** I tried it and dumped it within minutes. Only
> > one person I know uses it.
>
> I don't know what OS you tried it on, but if you dumped it, it wasn't
> Mac OS. You can't turn mouse acceleration off in Mac OS.
I can't remember. Maybe I set it to zero or one. Don't have a Mac in front
of me to check the minutae. But I certainly didn't have any acceleration,
and I certainly know what platform I was using. (MacOS 8.5 (I think it was
.5) running Avid Media Composer 6.3.3 (the best) and, later, 7.0x (with all
the bugs like drifting lip sync, and so bloated that it brought a 9600 to
its knees). Yeup, it was a Mac. And a networking system that hangs the
machine if someone elsewhere logs on to the farm even if my machine isn't
logged on to anything. Only secure way of working is to pull the fibres out
of the wall. A networking system that can't cope with simultaneous read and
writes to different files from different machines. Not just one faulty
setup either, happens both sides of the pond. Crap design.
Yeup, it was a Mac. Macs are CRAP.
<...>
And a brand new Mac just out of the box had such a corrupted file system
that the sound editor couldn't edit more than 15 minutes with 8 tracks,
after that the machine produced random tracks. He was fired because the
wazos in charge couldn't understand that maybe a brand new Mac was broken.
Two editors later (one walked out) they accepted that maybe, just maybe,
the Mac was broken.
Then there were the guys I know who were put out of business overnight when
Apple moved from NuBus to PCI, making all their kit obsolete. They'll never
ever go near Apple products again.
Macs - no thanks. I only use the sodding things because they put a few
extra bucks in my pocket occasionally.
Peter
--
In the 19th century surveyors measured the height of Everest
from 500 miles away in India.
This cannot be done today. Everest is no longer visible from
the survey location due to increased atmospheric pollution.
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Answer this if you can...
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 17:08:51 +0000
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Karel Jansens"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Mart van de Wege wrote:
>>
>>
>> Mart
>> --
>> Happily running Debian, posting with Pan
>
> Totally unrelated to the thread: How does Pan do as an offline
> newsreader? Does it have its own spooler, like krn or the StarOffice
> newsreader, or do you have to rely on something like leafnode?
I don't use this feature, but you can downlaod all bodies (and presumably
read them offline).
-Ed
> Reason for the question: leafnode has "issues" with my ISP (and I don't
> like krn), so a switch seems in order.
--
Did you know that the reason that windows steam up in cold|Edward Rosten
weather is because of all the fish in the atmosphere? |u98ejr
- The Hackenthorpe Book of lies |@
|eng.ox.ac.uk
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sunsite.unc.edu pub/Linux
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