Linux-Advocacy Digest #237, Volume #32 Fri, 16 Feb 01 13:13:02 EST
Contents:
Re: Interesting article (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Another Linux "Oopsie"! (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Another Linux "Oopsie"! (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Why Open Source better be careful - The Microsoft Un-American Activities
Committee ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: Joke of the day - from Microsoft (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: Windows XP! Will it really be reliable? (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: Whistler/.NET will Help Linux ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: Why Open Source better be careful - The Microsoft Un-American (Mike Martinet)
Re: Interesting article (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: Linux 64 bit and Windows 32 bit ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: Joke of the day - from Microsoft (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: I will give MS credit for one thing (Peter Hayes)
Re: Whistler/.NET will Help Linux (Aaron Kulkis)
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Interesting article
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 16:47:09 GMT
Said Ayende Rahien in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Thu, 15 Feb 2001
22:25:35 +0200;
>
>"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> Said David Brown in alt.destroy.microsoft on Thu, 15 Feb 2001 15:49:31
>> [...]
>> >But Linux has come from being a
>> >system that looked about as friendly as DOS to a system comparable to W2K
>> >for the desktop user, in the space of around 4 years max. Windows took 20
>> >years to make the same changes.
>>
>> Let's be reasonable; Windows took closer to 10 years. But, of course,
>> it had the 'benefit' of a monopoly from the get-go, so it hasn't really
>> "developed" AT ALL. Though it has *changed* quite a bit.
>
>And Unix is still no where near this, 40 years afterward.
Unix started out friendly. Its just a bit more selective about who its
friends are.
--
T. Max Devlin
*** The best way to convince another is
to state your case moderately and
accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Another Linux "Oopsie"!
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 17:06:17 GMT
Said Pete Goodwin in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Thu, 15 Feb 2001 20:41:50
>T. Max Devlin wrote:
>
>> >Ah but I keep forgetting. Linux isn't a large amorphous, it's the base
>> >system. On top of which you have, The Gimp, KDE, GNOME, etc. All pulling
>> >in different directions, all following their own thing...
>>
>> Yea, kind of like every other computer system. See how that works.
>
>Linux + KDE is the closest there is to Windows.
Macintosh comes much closer (actually, Windows is the closest there is
to Macintosh, at least the old codebase).
>Yet I don't dissect
>Windows, so why should I with Linux?
You can't tell the difference between a graphics program running on
Windows and Windows? You're not nearly as experienced as you pretend
then.
>> Dufus.
>
>Dweeb.
Dupe.
--
T. Max Devlin
*** The best way to convince another is
to state your case moderately and
accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Another Linux "Oopsie"!
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 17:09:10 GMT
Said J Sloan in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Fri, 16 Feb 2001 04:44:35 GMT;
>"T. Max Devlin" wrote:
>
>> Said J Sloan in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Tue, 13 Feb 2001 04:22:04 GMT;
>> >"T. Max Devlin" wrote:
>> >
>> >> I have hear a box in my hand of RedHat 7.0 Deluxe it does not have
>> >> kernel 2.4, but says its "2.4 ready". It does have XFree86 4.0.1. I
>> >> haven't opened the box yet, so I don't know if its got ReiserFS, but I
>> >> kind of doubt it.
>> >
>> >Nope, RH 7 has no resierfs and no lvm.
>>
>> What's lvm?
>
>logical volume manager - quite handy really.
>
>physical disks are assigned to a volume group,
>and pieces of the volume group are carved out
>to make logical "partitions" or volumes. Being
>able to resize a partition without reformatting is
>handy. If you've ever used the HP-UX lvm, the
>Linux version is pretty close.
Actually, my experience with such a method is from Novell NetWare.
Thanks for the expansion.
>Having said that, I was pleased to find that RH 7.1
>beta (which I installed today) does include lvm and
>reiserfs support.
Too low-level for me. I'm more interested in getting the interface
stuff worked out.
Can anybody tell me why the "Windows" key is disabled on my Linux
system? I'd really like to bind it to emulate the commands I've become
used to over the last few years of monopolization.
--
T. Max Devlin
*** The best way to convince another is
to state your case moderately and
accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
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From: "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why Open Source better be careful - The Microsoft Un-American Activities
Committee
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 11:25:56 -0600
"pip" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Flacco wrote:
> >
> > I think I see where this is going.
> >
> > Does anyone remember the press release by Ximian awhile ago about the
> > Chinese getting involved with the GNOME project? Enough FUD in there to
> > feed an army.
> >
> > That said - note to Ximian - please provide a distribution that has not
been
> > touched by the bloody hands of the CCP, for those of us who still
remember
> > Tiananmen.
>
> Erm - please remind me: in what way does Ximinan support the
> the dictatorial policies of China?
Well, it appears in todays society, having anything to do with a human
rights violator is tantamount to committing the violations yourself. For
instance, IBM is being sued because they sold tabulation machines to the
Nazi's for use in their death camps. Surely, if IBM loses, knowingly
cooperating with human rights violators would be the same.
> What Ximinan _does_ support is making things a whole lot better
> for Linux users.
At the cost of a few human lives. (if you don't see the connection, look
harder. If the Chinese government uses Linux for their primary OS, and
changes are contributed to support the Chinese government, then clearly
Linux is actively being used to assist human rights violations)
If that doesn't matter to you, no big deal. If it does, you'd be a
hypocrite to use Linux.
------------------------------
From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Joke of the day - from Microsoft
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 12:19:34 -0500
mlw wrote:
>
> Lloyd Llewellyn wrote:
> >
> > > ``Free software is evil'' sez Microsoft.
> > >
> > > http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-200-4833927.html?tag=mn_hd
> >
> > Excuse me, is there anyone out there who thinks this is *funny*?
> >
> > Microsoft trying to get the government to view open source software as a
> > threat the the American way?
> >
> > Gee, I just can't stop laughing.
>
> If I thought for a moment that our elected officials would let something as
> important as common sense keep them from accepting "educational"
> contributions from Microsoft, I would allow myself to laugh.
>
> Unfortunately, GW (idiot son of a bad president) proves that our entire
> system is for sale. Fix a few elections, buy a few people, appoint
> Ashcroft, it is a sad period in my counties history. I think we have
> hit rock bottom, unfortunately, they are looking for shovels.
Socialist propaganda is clouding your thinking.
The election tampering was committed by Demoncrooks, not Republicans.
The only "buying" seems to have been by the Chinese and others who
wanted favors, nuclear weapons secrets, and pardons from
the Glingon/Goron duo...
Ashcroft ... is opposed by the left PRECISELY because he has stated
that he intends to uphold the law (anethema to leftists, because they
consider themselves to be above the law).
We hit rock bottom at the end of the Klinton/Gore administration.
The Sore/Loserman debacle being the application of a jackhammer
to get even deeper.
So far, I see Bush pushing for refunding the taxpayer for over-charges,
and putting a priority on the FIRST order of business for the Chief
Executive of any nation....namely, seeing that the military is
a) properly funded and equipped, and
b) not squandering (A) on foolish deployments.
And no, I am ***NOT*** a republican.
I'm a registered Libertarian.
>
> --
> http://www.mohawksoft.com
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windows XP! Will it really be reliable?
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 12:22:56 -0500
Tom Wilson wrote:
>
> In article <1nMi6.609$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Erik Funkenbusch"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > "Craig Kelley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >>
> >> > "Aaron Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> > > At this rate, AMD is going to eat Intel for breakfast.
> >> > > :-))))))))
> >> >
> >> So you're a Microsoft *and* an Intel apologist?
> >
> > I like the Athlon, I just know that Intel is taking it's beating and
> > licking it's wounds right now and WILL strike back hard.
> >
> > AMD managed to get a leg up on Intel because the current P3 architecture
> > didn't scale as well as they planned and had to abandon it earlier than
> > expected. They've been mobilizing for the coming war for the last year.
> >
> >> What do you think about McDonald's? :)
> >
> > I like their french fries ;)
>
> They were better back when they used LARD instead of vegtable oil. Damned
> health Nazis ruined them!
Even worse are those starch-coated things that Burger King and
Arby's are selling.
I go to BK or Arby's for the meat and the drink...and then hit
McD's for fries.
>
> --
> Tom Wilson
> Sunbelt Software Solutions
> Presently lurking in his Linux Partition
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Whistler/.NET will Help Linux
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 11:32:42 -0600
"Tom Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:R16j6.724$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <AuMi6.610$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Erik Funkenbusch"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > "Bob Hauck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> On Wed, 14 Feb 2001 15:06:22 -0600, Erik Funkenbusch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> > I think you're reading a lot more "into" the "plan" than is there.
> >> > Yes, MS has a lot of dreams for what they would like to do, but I
> >> > doubt even half of them will become reality. That doesn't mean .NET
> >> > won't be useful and quite popular.
> >>
> >> The difference this time is that many of the "dreams" involve things
> >> that are good for MS but bad for the user. This time even Winvocates
> >> are hoping that some of the dreams _don't_ come true.
> >
> > This time? I didn't agree with Windows 3.x (I was an Amiga and OS/2
> > user until Win95). I didn't agree with MS Bob. I prefer Quicken over
> > MS Money. I grudgingly use Visual SourceSafe, mostly because it's easier
> > to use, even if it frustrates me quite often.
>
> That particular program is the bane of our existance. We've had files
> literally being checked out at random with SourceSafe refusing to let go
> until the fix tool was run. We've had it completely ignore changes to
> code. If there were another integrated solution, we'd shell out whatever
> the asking price was to get it.
There are plenty of integrated solutions. StarTeam is probably VSS's
closest competitor in the same market.
Having said that, I've found that most of the issues you mention are the
result of flaky networks. It has no way to roll back transactions due to an
error (such as a dial-up connection dropping) because it's file based rather
than client-server. Most other file based version control has the same
problem (PVCS, MKS SI, RCS, etc..). You should also run the analyze tool
regularly to fix minor problems and compress the database. I really haven't
seen the problems you've mentioned in years.
------------------------------
From: Mike Martinet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why Open Source better be careful - The Microsoft Un-American
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 10:31:37 -0700
Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
>
>
> At the cost of a few human lives. (if you don't see the connection, look
> harder. If the Chinese government uses Linux for their primary OS, and
> changes are contributed to support the Chinese government, then clearly
> Linux is actively being used to assist human rights violations)
>
Help stamp out Human Rights abuses! Force dictatorships and
totalitarian regimes to buy MS products!
MjM
------------------------------
From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Interesting article
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 12:28:41 -0500
J Sloan wrote:
>
> "T. Max Devlin" wrote:
>
> > J, a great deal of NT's market (now, 2K's potential market) was
> > displacing Unix "around the edges". A large number of workstations, and
> > even servers, were implemented to displace Unix. Without almost
> > universally poor results. Yet Microsoft's monopolization, its concerted
> > effort to FUD and convince corporate buyers that since their
> > monopolization has been so obviously successful (this is all prior to
> > the trial and conviction, of course, when people still assumed that MS's
> > behavior was 'bad' but nothing would ever be done to stop it but hope it
> > goes away because someone *else* manages to be able to afford to refuse
> > the monopoly what it wants) that within a matter of a few years, Unix
> > would be history.
>
> Yes, that reminds me a lot of a company I worked for -
> it's a very well known company, but I may want to work
> there again some day, so I won't embarrass them here.
>
> They needed a Solaris sysadmin/webmaster.
>
> When I interviewed, I talked to their top cgi programmer
> and found he was a strong Linux supporter. We spoke
> the same language, had rapport, and and he gave me
> the thumbs up.
>
> When I went back to talk to the boss, he asked me
> "So, what do you think of nt"? It seemed that nt was
> the big buzzword among the management there, and
> he wanted to know if I shared his enthusiasm.
>
> When I told him what I thought, he appeared grieved,
> and was silent for a time, and I added my requirement
> that I use a Unix workstation rather than a windows pc,
> in order to be effective and productive -
>
> He agreed and offered me the job, but I probably could
> have gotten a higher offer if I'd played the game a little
> better - Oh well, 20/20 hindsight.
>
> Anyway, I found myself surrounded by microsoft happy
> managers, full of zeal to overturn Unix and create a new
> world where windows reigned supreme, and they planned
> to replace the company mail system with ms exchange,
> to eventually run the company website on windows, etc.
> It just got too weird for me, and I went to work elsewhere.
>
> That was a few years ago. I recently ran into a manager
> from the old company. He told me that the whole windows
> empire had crashed and burned, those responsible had
Not surprising.
M$ is long on promises, short on delivery.
> been fired, and there was now a renewed interest in Unix.
>
> It did my heart good to hear they'd come to their senses.
>
> I may go back to work there.
>
> jjs
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux 64 bit and Windows 32 bit
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 11:42:09 -0600
"Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:96j7vr$76i$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > It seems unlikely that the Itanium code can be called finished until the
> > chip ships.
>
> In case you hadn't noticed, the Itanium is shipping now, in HP computers.
Really? Interesting that HP doesn't seem to agree with you.
http://ia64.hp.com/
"ItaniumT is at the heart of the next generation of computing technology,
and will be available in servers and workstations within six months. "
You've been listening to Charlie again, haven't you? You should know better
than to accept his facts unchallenged.
> MS somehow coerced intel in to not releasing it for lower end stuff until
> MS were finished.
Not true. It's simply not ready yet.
------------------------------
From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Joke of the day - from Microsoft
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 12:37:44 -0500
Charlie Ebert wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, mlw wrote:
> >Lloyd Llewellyn wrote:
> >>
> >> > ``Free software is evil'' sez Microsoft.
> >> >
> >> > http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-200-4833927.html?tag=mn_hd
> >>
> >> Excuse me, is there anyone out there who thinks this is *funny*?
> >>
> >> Microsoft trying to get the government to view open source software as a
> >> threat the the American way?
> >>
> >> Gee, I just can't stop laughing.
> >
> >If I thought for a moment that our elected officials would let something as
> >important as common sense keep them from accepting "educational" contributions
> >from Microsoft, I would allow myself to laugh.
> >
> >Unfortunately, GW (idiot son of a bad president) proves that our entire system
> >is for sale. Fix a few elections, buy a few people, appoint Ashcroft, it is a
> >sad period in my counties history. I think we have hit rock bottom,
> >unfortunately, they are looking for shovels.
> >
> >--
> >http://www.mohawksoft.com
>
> YIP! I can see Bush is going to be a one term president now.
> And REPUBLICAN'S will always wonder why...
>
> We certainly couldn't say that Bush's election was a clear
> majority vote nor landslide.
>
> What I'm puzzled about is if he did come to Microsoft's aide
> and say banned OPEN SOURCE thru some political action somehow,
> he obviously doesn't give a shit if he's re-elected anyway.
>
> His ability to get legislation to accomplish this task
> would result in ZERO fruit. It has nothing to do with
> jacking the price of oil up so GAS is $1.50 at the pumps?
>
The rise in oil prices was Klinton's doing. He wanted OPEC
to cut back production so that the Russians could repay their
bills from oil sales. This was all documented BEFORE the gas
prices went up. Dept. of Energy even wrote a report on it...
BEFORE the gas prices went up.
> Why would he risk his second term and even give a remote
> shit about Microsoft?
Not only that, but a number of Texas-based companies have much
to gain or lose depending on whether M$ is punished or not.
For the record, Bush has already stated that the M$ prosecution
team will continue on as before.
>
> If he does come to Microsoft's aide, then he must be
> the most suicidal bastard since Adolf Hitler.
He's already stated that he's siding with the 20 states' Attornies
General.
>
> --
> Charlie
>
> **DEBIAN** **GNU**
> / / __ __ __ __ __ __ __
> / /__ / / / \/ / / /_/ / \ \/ /
> /_____/ /_/ /_/\__/ /_____/ /_/\_\
> http://www.debian.org
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: Peter Hayes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: I will give MS credit for one thing
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 17:32:34 +0000
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Fri, 16 Feb 2001 01:43:43 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Hauck) wrote:
> On 15 Feb 2001 00:48:42 -0600, Donn Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >I am no MS advocate. But, I will admit one thing: Windows Media player is
> >much better than the video MPEG players I have used on Linux.
>
> That's good. You're gonna be using it a lot if MS gets their way:
> <http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/16959.html>
To quote a snippet of your reference, "There's quite a bit of cute stuff
associated with this. Microsoft's Secure Audio Path technology is designed
at an operating system level, allegedly) to keep the content encrypted
right up until the machine's sound card is actually playing it. This means
that if an application tries to intercept the data stream it needs to break
the encryption as well and: "Decrypting an isolated Windows Media file
would require breaking industrial-strength cryptographic algorithms." "
As someone has already pointed out, all you need is a couple of croc-clips
across the speaker terminals, or even the amp input. Feed it to another
sound card and you can copy, no problem, or feed to your music system and
use the casette recorder.
If this is the level of MS's thinking, then there's little to worry about.
Buy stock in the likes of TDK, the audio casette manufacturer. Might even
make up the losses on MSFT.
> They never give anything away for free without a good reason.
I'm not against musicians getting their dues. I just don't like the
prospect of MS controlling everything.
Peter
--
In the 19th century surveyors measured the height of Everest
from 500 miles away in India.
This cannot be done today. Everest is no longer visible from
the survey location due to increased atmospheric pollution.
------------------------------
From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Whistler/.NET will Help Linux
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 12:38:20 -0500
Flacco wrote:
>
> > The market will speak on this. MS can't force people.
>
> ...unless they manage to outlaw open source software.
That's impossible in the US.
First Amendment.
>
> MS has never seemed so repellent to me as they do now.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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