Linux-Advocacy Digest #265, Volume #32 Sat, 17 Feb 01 11:13:02 EST
Contents:
Re: It's just too easy ("Edward Rosten")
Re: Joke of the day - from Microsoft ("Edward Rosten")
Re: Interesting article (Giuliano Colla)
Re: Microsoft says Linux threatens innovation ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Linux fails to deliver on the hype (Terry Porter)
Re: Microsoft says Linux threatens innovation ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Microsoft says Linux threatens innovation ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: It's just too easy ("MH")
Re: Microsoft says Linux threatens innovation ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Linux is INFERIOR to Windows (Krid)
Re: Joke of the day - from Microsoft ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Someone, help me (please) (Exit: PhatLinux versus Windows 98)
([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else (John Hasler)
Re: Why Open Source better be careful - The Microsoft Un-American
([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Another Linux "Oopsie"! ("Karel Jansens")
Re: It's just too easy (mlw)
Re: Joke of the day - from Microsoft (mlw)
Re: KULKIS IS A MISERABLE PIECE OF SHIT (Pascal Haakmat)
Re: Whistler/.NET will Help Linux ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: KDE Whiners (A transfinite number of monkeys)
Re: Whistler/.NET will Help Linux ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: It's just too easy
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 14:02:01 +0000
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Pete Goodwin"
<imekon@$$$remove$$$.freeuk.com> wrote:
> "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in <96lj5f$p34$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
>>> You think your own experience is the norm?
>>
>>Seeing as it keeps happening to me, and the people I know round here,
>>yes.
> How many people is that? How many different systems, configurations? Do
> you see what I'm getting at here?
Every system is a differrent configuration. And one of them was an iBook.
How many peoply? about 10, at least.
No I don't see what your getting at. What I'm getting at is that you
should leave Mandrake.
>>I don't doubt you're telling the truth, but I've installed a fair number
>>of Linux Boxen and have never had the problems you keep talking about.
>>Then again, I have never used Mandrake, and after the problems you've
>>had with it, I don't think I ever will. Really, you should try
>>switching. Try RH. The package management is a bit sucky, but the rest
>>is solid.
>
> That's why I'm switching to SuSE when it gets released here in the UK. I
> thought it was last Monday, but it's the 19th.
Good.
-Ed
--
Did you know that the reason that windows steam up in cold|Edward Rosten
weather is because of all the fish in the atmosphere? |u98ejr
- The Hackenthorpe Book of lies |@
|eng.ox.ac.uk
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Joke of the day - from Microsoft
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 14:03:46 +0000
>>> Unfortunately, GW (idiot son of a bad president) proves that our
>>> entire system is for sale. Fix a few elections, buy a few people,
>>> appoint Ashcroft, it is a sad period in my counties history. I think
>>> we have hit rock bottom, unfortunately, they are looking for shovels.
>>
>
> At least now we have a President worthy of that title. We also have one
> who actually has morals and is a devout Christian(which never hurt
> anyone in and of itself).
I'd take issue with that.
> I think we already hit rock bottom with Clinton being in the Oral
> office. Bush will turn the status of the Presidency around as being one
> of respect and morality.
... and stupidity.
-Ed
--
Did you know that the reason that windows steam up in cold|Edward Rosten
weather is because of all the fish in the atmosphere? |u98ejr
- The Hackenthorpe Book of lies |@
|eng.ox.ac.uk
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From: Giuliano Colla <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Interesting article
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 14:12:41 GMT
Aaron Kulkis wrote:
>
> Chad Myers wrote:
> >
[...]
> >
> > Secondly, permissions are not applied pervasively. That is, they're
> > only applied to files and file/devices. You can't set an ACL on
> > whether or not someone can access a specific porition of a file,
> > you can't set permissions on whether or not a particular process
> > can perform specific functions with the OS.
>
> Blah blah fucking blah
>
> Name ONE instance outside of NSA, CIA, State Department or
> armed forces intelligence services where any of this is necessary?
>
I must sadly recognize that sometimes it may be required.
One of our customers had for some time a paranoid general
manager, crazy about security and competition espionage.
He was keeping such high a level of secrecy on customer
requirements and project specs, that nobody was allowed to
see them.
Usually when designers had to start the actual design, he
had lost the relevant data, and it was quite a mess.
He would have loved ACL scheme, had it been available at the
time. And he would usually have forgotten the password to
recover his data, that even the sysadmin wouldn't have been
able to access.
For the record, the above general manager has been
encouraged to retire many years ago, and currently the
company has switched from an NT server to a Linux server,
for reasons of efficiency and security.
[...]
--
Giuliano Colla
Before activating the tongue, make sure that the brain is
connected (anonymous)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Microsoft says Linux threatens innovation
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 14:16:40 +0000
Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
>
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:96h6sc$oh6$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Bob Tennent <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> news.cnet.com/investor/news/newsitem/0-9900-1028-4825719-RHAT.html?tag=ltnc
> >
> > > Poor Microsoft! They're running to the government to protect their
> business
> > > model against those property-stealing anti-American open-sourcers.
> Boo-hoo-hoo!
> >
> > Indeed. With every move by that bloated behemoth, they make themselves
> look
> > more and more like spoiled little children.
> >
> > Erik? Comments?
>
> Well, I don't particular agree with his comments in particular, though he
> does have a partial point. Open Source does threaten commercial software
> innovation. Why should a company (not just MS) invest millions into R&D
> when open source peoplewill come along and offer a free version?
>
Not necesarily. Yes, if the open source version is good enough, then
commercial companies may not want to spend as much on R&D. However, nor
will they need to, because there will be a huge pool of people doing R&D
for them for free.
The upshot is that businesses may have to change the assumption that
selling software will recoup the R&D cost. As countless politicians
would say, we are moving towards a service-based ecconomy (although
dolubtless the politicians who say it have no idea what it means).
Selling support looks more and more like a viable way to do business.
If you have developped a feature in a product, who better to provide
support if that feature causes problems?
> On a side note, why is it that the words of one man are always taken as the
> official word of MS? When Jim Clark sent a letter to MS begging them to buy
> Netscape, Barksdale dismissed it as not being an official statement of the
> company, yet he was the president, not just a VP as Alchin is.
Fair point, but then VPs etc should realise that when the speak in any
official capacity, they will be taken as speaking for the organisation
--
http://www.guild.bham.ac.uk/chess-club
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Porter)
Subject: Re: Linux fails to deliver on the hype
Reply-To: No-Spam
Date: 17 Feb 2001 14:12:16 GMT
On Sat, 17 Feb 2001 12:44:49 GMT,
Pete Goodwin <imekon@$$$REMOVE$$$.freeuk.com> wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Porter) wrote in
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
>>>In this article I admitted I made a mistake and apologised.
>>I did see that, the mistake related to your header title, which was
>>not only inacurate, it was inflammatory.
>
>So my apology was inflammatory or the title? Which one?
Just the title Pete.
>
>>> I was accused of being a liar, and then I posted the URL's, which
>>>the accuser failed to acknowledge. Flatfish is referring to this, I
>>>believe, when he calls it the "Twist and Shout" method.
>>While you pay any credance to "Heather/Clare/Flatfish" you will always be
>>disbelieved on COLA. He/her/it is a known Wintroll.
>
>Maybe so, but when others start playing the same tune?
Other Wintrolls, like you perhaps?
>
>>>There's no wintroll duet going on. You want there to be one, don't you,
>>Honestly Pete, I couldnt care less, I call em as I see em:)
>
>OK, then neither do I.
:)
>
>>>because you desperately want to believe what you say.
>>I *do* believe what I say, otherwise I wouldnt say it.
>
>Like I said, you desperately want to believe what you said.
Please see above.
>
>--
>Pete Goodwin
>---
>On that unstable much loved system known as Windows 98 SE.
>Linux Mandrake 7.2 - not recommended - see the topic titled
>"Downgrading to Mandrake 7.2 - did Linux become a windoze clone?"
Nope,Mandrake7.2 hasnt BSOD on me once yet!
>
Terry
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Microsoft says Linux threatens innovation
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 14:22:04 +0000
Flacco wrote:
>
> > It's interesting to note that the whole phenomenon of Microsoft vs. Open
> > Source most likely wouldn't exist had IBM not (albeit, unthinkingly)
> > 'open-sourced' the PC architecture.
>
> I don't buy that. It just wouldn't be taking place on IBM hardware with MS
> software.
If IBM had not 'open-sourced' the PC architecture, PCs may not have had
the success they did. It may be that the discussion would be
open-source v Apple
--
http://www.guild.bham.ac.uk/chess-club
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Microsoft says Linux threatens innovation
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 14:24:35 +0000
Edward Rosten wrote:
>
> > It's interesting to note that the whole phenomenon of Microsoft vs. Open
> > Source most likely wouldn't exist had IBM not (albeit, unthinkingly)
> > 'open-sourced' the PC architecture.
>
> Not true. Visit www.gnu.org and look under `Why we are here'
>
> -Ed
>
GNU is not the be all and end all of open-source
--
http://www.guild.bham.ac.uk/chess-club
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From: "MH" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: It's just too easy
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 09:25:48 -0500
"Peter K�hlmann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
This is funny? An empty attached file with a script ext?
What an idiot.
But hey, it's cola. What did I expect?
---
Airhead R. Klueless
Human garbage wrapped in skin
Moron Minister of all I foul
ICQ # 666
H: "I am stupid people"
I: "I am a COMMUNIST ***hole"
J: My mother is an old hag who has hit the wall....
A: I am a fool mocked by wise men.
B: I spew out nonsense as a method of sidetracking discussions which are
headed in a direction that I don't like.
C: Everyone should really killfile me.
D: I travel from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: I am not worthy of the time to compose a response until
my behavior improves.
F: I have pictures of Jimmy Baker committing adultery with Tammy Hahn in my
bedroom.
G: I am a retard.
---
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Microsoft says Linux threatens innovation
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 14:31:49 +0000
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> On Thu, 15 Feb 2001 13:22:53 -0600, Erik Funkenbusch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:96h6sc$oh6$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> Bob Tennent <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> >
> >news.cnet.com/investor/news/newsitem/0-9900-1028-4825719-RHAT.html?tag=ltnc
> >>
> >> > Poor Microsoft! They're running to the government to protect their
> >business
> >> > model against those property-stealing anti-American open-sourcers.
> >Boo-hoo-hoo!
> >>
> >> Indeed. With every move by that bloated behemoth, they make themselves
> >look
> >> more and more like spoiled little children.
> >>
> >> Erik? Comments?
> >
> >Well, I don't particular agree with his comments in particular, though he
> >does have a partial point. Open Source does threaten commercial software
> >innovation. Why should a company (not just MS) invest millions into R&D
> >when open source peoplewill come along and offer a free version?
>
> Isn't that what patents and copyrights are already for?
>
Yeah but patents need innovation
--
http://www.guild.bham.ac.uk/chess-club
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Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: Linux is INFERIOR to Windows
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Krid)
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 14:29:28 GMT
As their last actions in this world, the clinically depressed
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Steve Mading) scrawled the following message
(Suicide note ID# <95n183$119o$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) onto their dashboard
before igniting a JATO unit strapped on to their roof:
>In comp.os.linux.advocacy Krid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>: As their last actions in this world, the clinically depressed
>: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine) scrawled the
>: following message (Suicide note ID#
>: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) onto their dashboard
>: <before
>: igniting a JATO unit strapped on to their roof:
>
>:>In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Tom Wilson
>:><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>:> wrote
>:>on Mon, 15 Jan 2001 08:46:47 GMT
>:><XNy86.194$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>:>>
>:>>"Stuart R. Fuller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>:>>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>:>>> Charlie Ebert <charlie> wrote:
>:>>> : Linux has the BEST uptime record of any operating system in the
>:>>> : world.
>:>>>
>:>>> Well, between Windows and Linux, that might be true. However,
>:>>> there's more to the world than Linux and Windows.
>:>>>
>:>>Not in this neck of the woods, my friend! ;)
>
>: <snip>
>
>:>Other speciality/embedded operating systems (WinCE might be
>:>construed as one, although it's a relatively recent entry)
>:>might be included, as well. I don't know a lot about them.
>
>: CE? Long uptime? HA!
>: Have you EVER heard of a video game system crashing? (Discounting when
>: you remove parts while it's on, of course.)
>
>Uptime means staying up the whole time. Turning the machine off and
>on again resets the counter, even if it was deliberate and not a
>crash. How many people leave their game consoles turned on 24/7?
I would, but can't. It rarely goes more than 24 hours without crashing (I
know this from experiance.), it's the most unstable device I've ever seen
when it comes to writing data, and yes, I know what uptime means. (^_^)
>: I have a Dreamcast. It runs CE. It crashes/munges data every other day
>: or so.
--
~Krid
(Above address(es) invalid, descramble com.roundthebend@krid instead.)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Joke of the day - from Microsoft
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 14:37:50 +0000
> Excuse me, is there anyone out there who thinks this is *funny*?
>
> Microsoft trying to get the government to view open source software as a
> threat the the American way?
>
> Gee, I just can't stop laughing.
Lets just hope that the US Congress pisses themselves
--
http://www.guild.bham.ac.uk/chess-club
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Someone, help me (please) (Exit: PhatLinux versus Windows 98)
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 14:42:54 +0000
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Johan De Clerck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Can i really install Phat Linux without losing Windows?? (Or do I to
> > repartition my HD?).
> > If yes (on the first question): do you have to install it via Windows-itself
> > or via MS-DOS?
>
> Yes, you can install Linux without destroying Windows. The simplest way is
> when you have a free partition and there shouldn't be a problem installing
> Linux on it without any damage to Windows. Probably now a lot of Wintrolls
> will come out from under their stones and claim that they destroyed their
> Windows partition doing this. But the only way I can imagine how they did
> it is that they installed Linux over the Windows partition, so don't try
> it when you either dead tired or drunken ;-) Actually, making a backup
> before doing any of such potentially dangerous operation is always a GOOD
> idea!
>
I once managed to lose Windows during a Linux install! That said, it
was 3am and I'd 2 bottles of wine, so maybe no surprise. That said, I
may do this on purpose soon :-)
--
http://www.guild.bham.ac.uk/chess-club
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From: John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 13:38:47 GMT
spike1 writes:
> He appears not to know what the word materialism means...
It appears that he does.
> The goal of materialism is to acquire money and things to improve your
> quality of life at the cost of moral/spiritual/whatever health...
But it is clear that you do not. We are discussing philosophy in this
thread. Take your politics to the other branch.
--
John Hasler
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Dancing Horse Hill
Elmwood, Wisconsin
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Why Open Source better be careful - The Microsoft Un-American
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 14:56:23 +0000
<snip>
> At the cost of a few human lives. (if you don't see the connection, look
> harder. If the Chinese government uses Linux for their primary OS, and
> changes are contributed to support the Chinese government, then clearly
> Linux is actively being used to assist human rights violations)
>
> If that doesn't matter to you, no big deal. If it does, you'd be a
> hypocrite to use Linux.
You really are getting desperate aren't you? So you think that because
a government has committed human rights violations we should use a
product they contribute to, even if those contributions had _nothing_ to
do with their wrongs?
Anyway, the US government in recent years have been quite keen to open
trade with China. Does this make people living in the US hypocrites if
they also don't like human rights violations.
--
http://www.guild.bham.ac.uk/chess-club
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From: "Karel Jansens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Another Linux "Oopsie"!
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 16:18:17 -0100
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
> Said Karel Jansens in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Fri, 16 Feb 2001
> [...]
>>Yes, there have been Windows apps that used their own printer drivers
>>(the best known of these was WordPerfect 5.2, which offered a choice). I
>>don't know if this has been the case since the introduction of Windows
>>95.
>
> Win95 did make this much less feasible. Stinks too much of
> 'compatibility'; no doubt MS made it extremely unattractive and
> difficult to continue to do this. Still, PageMaker still does it. ;-)
>
I have had only minor exposure to Windows 95, and none of it
printer-related.
>>>>But I agree with this: *nix (and i.c. linux) requires more conscious
>>>>attention from the user.
>>>
>>> [...]
>>>
>>> As soon as the market has the facilities (and freedom) to demand a
>>> "Chooser-based printer facility", I'm quite confident that Linux will
>>> provide several worthwhile competitive alternatives. For now, since
>>> printing actually works fine, Pete's whining about not having
>>> brain-dead-proof Windows-isms is just so much hot air.
>>>
>>
>>What do you mean by "Chooser-based printer facility"?
>
> The "single printer model" scenario that Windows implemented copied
> Macintosh's, which used a "Chooser" control panel to determine which
> printer (and network connections) should be used at the moment.
>
OK. Thanks.
--
Regards,
Karel Jansens
==============================
"Go go gadget linux." Zoomm!
==============================
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From: mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: It's just too easy
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 10:26:36 -0500
Pete Goodwin wrote:
>
> Peter K�hlmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> >What D-Link card?
> >I have a D-Link in one of my linux-machines, and it was detected
> >automatically and runs without any problems.
>
> D-Link DFE-530TX PCI Fast Ethernet Adapter (Rev B).
>
> Linux didn't even notice it was there until I manually added it. Then it
> failed to configure it, until I chose the VIA-Rhine driver.
I tried to put one of these in a Windows box. I downloaded the driver zip from
D-Link and tried to install it. Nothing. I know the cards works because on this
very system, I have a Linux boot driver which uses it. The D-Link card seems
particular about which video and/or sound system it plays with.
The PCI-PC platform is so bad, it is an addition to a modification to a
redesign of an extension of a kludge. There are so many issues with BIOS
vendors, PCI bus controllers, etc. I am amazed it works at all.
I don't judge any OS by whether or not it can autodetect something. It is
tricky business.
--
http://www.mohawksoft.com
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From: mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Joke of the day - from Microsoft
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 10:35:17 -0500
Glitch wrote:
>
> Aaron Kulkis wrote:
>
> >
> > mlw wrote:
> >
> >> Lloyd Llewellyn wrote:
> >>
> >>>> ``Free software is evil'' sez Microsoft.
> >>>>
> >>>> http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-200-4833927.html?tag=mn_hd
> >>>
> >>> Excuse me, is there anyone out there who thinks this is *funny*?
> >>>
> >>> Microsoft trying to get the government to view open source software as a
> >>> threat the the American way?
> >>>
> >>> Gee, I just can't stop laughing.
> >>
> >> If I thought for a moment that our elected officials would let something as
> >> important as common sense keep them from accepting "educational"
> >> contributions from Microsoft, I would allow myself to laugh.
> >>
> >> Unfortunately, GW (idiot son of a bad president) proves that our entire
> >> system is for sale. Fix a few elections, buy a few people, appoint
> >> Ashcroft, it is a sad period in my counties history. I think we have
> >> hit rock bottom, unfortunately, they are looking for shovels.
> >
>
> At least now we have a President worthy of that title. We also have one
> who actually has morals and is a devout Christian(which never hurt
> anyone in and of itself).
I have yet to meet a devout christian I could trust.
>
> I think we already hit rock bottom with Clinton being in the Oral
> office. Bush will turn the status of the Presidency around as being one
> of respect and morality.
Yea, 8 years of peace and a good economy. That's bad. Sure. Where now, we have
a man who has never done anything on his own, never succeeded at anything,
doesn't deserve one little bit of what has been given him by rich friends and
family.
He doesn't deserve respect, in my eyes he is a drug using drink driver with
rich and powerful friends and family.
Morality? Subjective at best.
--
http://www.mohawksoft.com
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Pascal Haakmat)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: KULKIS IS A MISERABLE PIECE OF SHIT
Date: 17 Feb 2001 15:59:55 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>Aaron R. Kulkis writes:
>
>> Tholen, David
>> 1505 Alexander St,
>> Honolulu, HI 96822-4978
>> (808)941-3552
>>
>> Tholen, David
>> Alexander St Apt 406, Honolulu, HI
>> 96822
>
>Of what relevance is that, Kulkis?
Don't you see?
The relevance would depend on whether the address was correct.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Whistler/.NET will Help Linux
Date: 17 Feb 2001 16:03:14 GMT
Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>
>> Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > Flacco wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > The market will speak on this. MS can't force people.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> ...unless they manage to outlaw open source software.
>> >>
>> >> > That's impossible in the US.
>> >>
>> >> > First Amendment.
>> >>
>> >> McCarthy hearings.
>> >>
>> >> Not only is it possible, but it has happened, is happening,
>> >> and will happen again.
>>
>> > McCarthy never abridged free speech.
>>
>> No he didnt. But if you associated with people who were known
>> to talk about communism in public, your career was over, and very
>> often you were sent to prison.
> Good.
> Communism is the most EVIL philosophy ever conjured up in history.
> Worldwide, Communist governments have slaughtered over 120 MILLION
> of their own citizens (that we know of) in a mere 8 decades.
> No other political philosophy comes close to this level of barbarism.
>>
>> So you could SAY what you wanted, you would simply be imprisoned
>> for it.
> Anybody advocating the overthrow of the US constitution should
> be locked up....And if it's wartime, I fully support death by
> being drawn and quartered for such slime.
Oh I see. Freedom of speech is alright as long as you agree with
whats being said.
Thats *very* constitutional.
=====.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (A transfinite number of monkeys)
Subject: Re: KDE Whiners
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 16:05:34 GMT
On Thu, 15 Feb 2001 21:03:11 +0100, Mig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: What irritates me is that Gnomers allways have given the impression that
: commercialism was bad and when suddenly one of their conmmercial entityes
: goes on attack on free project they welcome it. So i dont have much to say
: anymore about Ximian - thats cleared to everybodys satisfactiuon- but
: solely about the biggotery and attitude of the light brigade of Gnome loud
: voicers like Tim Hanson and a few others
Yet again, another misses the point. Yes, you can have free software AND
make money at doing it. There are always people willing to pay for extra
convenience...
--
Jason Costomiris <>< | Technologist, geek, human.
jcostom {at} jasons {dot} org | http://www.jasons.org/
Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur.
My account, My opinions.
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Subject: Re: Whistler/.NET will Help Linux
Date: 17 Feb 2001 16:07:11 GMT
Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> The very constitution that protected their silence. See the fifth
>> amendment.
> They were not asked to incriminate themselves...they were asked to
> give congress the names of any active Communists that they knew.
You obviously have never been in a courtroom.
The fifth amendment does not mean that you have to tell a judge/jury
WHY your answer would be incriminating, it simply allows you to be
silent.
> This is a valid inquiry, which is within the bounds of the Constitution.
> But here's the bottom line...
> Our government and our entertainment (translation: propaganda) industry
> were being overrun with active Communists, agents of influence, and
> others whose CONSCIOUS goal was to replace our system of governance
> with a copy of the system which let Stalin slaughter 20 MILLION
> Russian citizens, and Mao slaughter close to 60 MILLION Chinese.
> Communists are not merely traitors to their countrymen...they are
> sadistic animals who should be put down with no more remorse than
> shooting a rabid dog before it gets to a group of children playing
> in the park.
> I have not even once met someone who sympathizes with the Communist
> form of government who isn't a closet-dictator. Their ultimate
> fantasy is "Revenge of the Nerds"....they seek power in government
> as a way to get revenge for whatever happened to them in high school.
Dont get me wrong, I think that communism is a silly form of government
and that it doesnt work at all.
But I also think that the US constitution has been shat apon by paranoid,
greedy assholes who twist its words for their own concern.
Like mccarthy.
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