Linux-Advocacy Digest #358, Volume #32 Tue, 20 Feb 01 19:13:05 EST
Contents:
Re: Who is the most heavily killfiled person on cola? ("Edward Rosten")
Re: Another Linux "Oopsie"! (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Another Linux "Oopsie"! (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: Incredible developments in Italy regarding business software (Donovan Rebbechi)
Re: Another Linux "Oopsie"! (Steve Mading)
Re: MS seeks Gov't help to stop blacks from using computersRe: Microsoft (Aaron
Kulkis)
Re: Another Linux "Oopsie"! (T. Max Devlin)
Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else (Donovan Rebbechi)
Re: Why Open Source better be careful - The Microsoft Un-American (Bloody Viking)
Re: The Windows guy. (Aaron Kulkis)
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Who is the most heavily killfiled person on cola?
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 23:15:30 +0000
>> There are a quite frankly huge number of languages. Out of curiosity,
>> what is your favourite functional language (I'm just getting in to
>> Haskell)? Ans which do you prefer, forth or postscript?
>
> I guess I'd have to say forth... but they are quite different... don't
> you think? Sheesh... I remember doing forth way back when... once I
Not really. They are very similar in many ways. PS has more stacks and
the command syntax for definitions and stuff is a little different, but
over all, they are very similar.
> learned C, all other languages (except lisp) lost my interest.
If you like LISP, try Haskell. It's a purely functional language (so no
loop macro :). Very elegant language and a helluva lot less brackets.
>> > Also, I've used HP-UX extensively. The fact that I like Windows 2000
>> > is because it is a great OS whether or not Linux advocates believe it
>> > is or not.
>>
>> > Please don't generalize about Windows users, it makes you look
>> > foolish.
>>
>> Before you say this, take a long look at the majority of WinTrolls on
>> this ng.
>
> Please remember, this is .advocacy. It is not a representation of
> reality.
I was assuming the reference was to Windows users on this NG.
>> > Microsoft makes good products. Windows 2000, Allegiance, Age of
>> > Empires
>>
>> Win2K being good is debatable. The 160 day uptime is nothing to shout
>> about
>
> I believe with a good admin. that number could be longer. Wasn't that
> an average and not the maximum anyway?
It was the average time, but these stats were published my MS, so
shouldn't we believe them?
>> and I personally find the GUI and CLI clunky and inelegant. But those
>> are just opinons.
>>
>> As for age of empires, there is only one true RTS, and it has tanks :)
>
> Heh. You wouldn't be refering to StarCraft?? Another great game that
> is. However, Age rocks too...
Nope. Command & Conquer: Red Alert
It's good, damn good. The best thing about it is that because it's quite
old, you can have a HUGE game on a new computer and it still runs fast.
>> > have all received excellent award by various magazines... Allegiance
>> > rocks too...
>>
>> I never pay too much attention to magazines alone. They all have strong
>> biases.
>
> Yet they specialize in what they are all about. If the premier game
> magazine says a game rocks, you can bet that the game is OK at least...
> I have found that they are mostly right. (Sometimes I don't entirely
> agree thought).
I tended to find myself disagreeing quite a lot, so I gave up on them.
> However, MS games (or game published by then) pretty much rock. I've
> had excellent success with Allegiance and AOE. Never crashed... I think
> an OS should be modeled after Allegiance the way patches are applied.
I think the crucial point is that these games are published, not written
by MS.
>> >> Flatfish++++'s contributions are very important for Linux to take on
>> >> the desktop environment. Flatfish++++ does a lot of work to botch up
>> >> an easy install.
>> >
>> > RedHat 7.0 doesn't install nearly as easily as Windows 2000... I am
>> > still trying to get my ethernet card to work, and my soundblaster
>> > live was not even detected. (Still haven't got that running either).
>>
>>
>> So I can tell you stories about flawless RH installs (ie every one I've
>> done) and Windows installs that haven't worked properly.
>
> Hmmmm... I have very standard hardware and RH installs poorly compared
That's odd. On 6.2 I put in a netcard and it autodetected it and set it
up. All I had to do was entyer the IP info (static address, not DHCP).
The longest part by miles was taking the screws off the case.
> to even NT! PNP on 2000 simply rocks... no doubt about it. I plug in
> my scanner and it is recognized, driver installed, and assigned to a
> graphics program.
> I plug in my digital camera and the picture indexes
> are displayed all automatically... nothing happens whatsoever on Linux
> when I do the same thing.
I haven't had any experience worth note with hot swapping stuff under
either OS.
>> >> Since I have a regular 40 hour work week (web application developer
>> >> gratefully using Perl and C on a Solaris platform, proudly
>> >> rehabilitated from the Windos world), I only have time to regularly
>> >> read one newsgroup, I do other things besides play with computers. I
>> >> choose this newsgroup to read and I want to see everyone's
>> >> contributions. So I have no kill file entries.
>> >
>> > You would if Tholen was in this group... don't ask... :)
>>
>> He does come to this group once in a while from a cross post. I like
>> `debating' with him to see how long I can keep it up. This time, I out
>> tholed him.
>
> Heh... I think all of those 'posts' detracts from the group. Check out
> comp.os.os2.advocacy... a real pain he is. Never debates the issues.
> Just continuous war on words.
Yes. War of words definitely. I made a spelling mistake and he asked what
the word meant (it was very obvious). I told him it was a typographic
error. He then asked if it was typographic or typographical. I told him
they are under the same entry in a dictionary and he never replied.
> This newgroup at least has intelligent people from both sides.
Occasionally someone called nuxx gets cross posted to here from comna. He
seems pretty with it. Most of the regular win-posters aren't as bright,
but then what would you expect from people who hung around on a ng just
to flame people?
-Ed
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| u98ejr
| @
Share, and enjoy. | eng.ox
| .ac.uk
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Another Linux "Oopsie"!
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 23:16:51 GMT
Said Pete Goodwin in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Mon, 19 Feb 2001 23:16:25
>T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
>>So it seems your goal is to be as dishonest as you can get away with
>>without lying. How pathetic.
>
>Reminds me of a Star Trek movie.
>
>1st speaker: A lie?
>2nd speaker: An exaggeration.
Indeed. And when a person, in a Star Trek movie or otherwise,
repetitively makes exaggerated claims, what do you call them? A
compulsive liar.
If your behavior here is to exaggerate, willfully and repetitively, in
order to goad others into unreasoning responses, you are a troll. If
you don't realize that is your behavior here, you are a buffoon.
If you think you're opening anybody's eyes, then you have your blinders
on.
>>>>>Then go and read them again, they are there.
>>>>
>>>>Why? Doesn't actively seeking out bad reports about something kind of
>>>>invalidate the claim that they are common, appropriate, or reasonable?
>>>
>>>Why not? What are you afraid of? That you might be proven wrong?
>>
>>Believe it or not, most people don't think in terms of either being
>>"proven wrong" or "proving wrong". I can understand why you would be
>>obsessed with it, considering your goal. To be proven wrong, however,
>>is commonplace and inevitable for honest people. I'm certainly not
>>afraid at all to be proven wrong. Having a better grasp of what is or
>>is not "reasonable" than you do, however, means it doesn't happen all
>>that often, in any major way.
>
>And all the while you don't even bother to go and read the articles in
>question. Now who's being dishonest?
I'm completely honest and open about the fact that I consider reading
those articles to be a waste of my time, as even if they are not trolls,
they would probably not sufficiently support your point to merit your
pretentiousness.
Your discussion went from "Another Linux 'Oopsie'" to the Gimp's
counter-intuitive default printer configuration to now 'Mandrake's
newest distro is horrible and see all the Usenet posts which prove it'.
I think who's being dishonest is rather apparent.
>>>I'm not confusing what I'm doing - you are. You want to believe I'm
>>>trolling because you won't accept the bald truth.
>>
>>Which is that you're posting messages with inflammatory subject lines
>>and filled with passive aggressive statements which incite anger and
>>frustration in otherwise reasonable people? Hmmm.... perhaps we need to
>>think about this one.
>
>See above.
Likewise.
(Hint for all those out there who might actually want to be good at
posting to Usenet: saying 'see above' is a waste of everyone's time. If
your comments are sufficient, then either the 'above' or 'below' can be
snipped, or simply moved to below the 'below'.)
>>>Ignorance has nothing to do with a reasonable assumption. Haven't I got
>>>that through to you yet? Oh I know, I'm wasting my time.
>>
>>C'mon slick; don't be daft.
>
>Insults...
You're being daft. What do you want *me* to do about it? I've already
explained your error.
>>You aren't teaching me anything;
>
>That's pretty obvious.
>
>>your
>>intellectual skills are far too trivial and rudimentary to be anything I
>>haven't seen before.
>
>More insults and a put down.
No, it's all the same insult, you moron.
(Another hint for those who care: splitting up a paragraph to respond
should be done sparingly [did you know that some people recommend
posting the *entire* reply as one block of text, at the *end* of
whatever you've left from the beginning after snipping?]; splitting
sentences should be done extremely rarely. And missing the point
through contradiction [notice how the end of the sentence made his
intrusive comment 'That's pretty obvious' entirely nonsensical, as it
means he misread the meaning of the phrase "you aren't teaching me
anything"] is the written equivalent of sputtering. Finally, the poster
knows when he insulted you, generally, particularly when the insult was
obvious; not being able to rejoin nor proceed to make a point concerning
the discussion, but simply pointing out that you've been insulted
[particularly when pretending to not even understand why; the sure sign
of a passive-aggressive attitude] comes off as amateurish.)
>>You're still trying to insist that an assumption
>>you made is automatically a reasonable assumption. Typically, of
>>course, that would be true, but you forget two important facts we are in
>>possession of: 1) you are dishonest, and 2) you are a troll.
>
>Neither of which are true. You have no facts to back you up on either of
>those two statements.
Again, you demonstrate your lack of ability to discern a lie from an
exaggeration. Regardless of how convincing the facts might be, to say I
have *no facts* to back up the fact that you are dishonest and a troll
is, well, dishonest and trollish. ;-)
>>That means
>>whether you did or did not make an assumption that was reasonable is
>>essentially "up for grabs". In the current context, I don't believe it,
>>and I am a reasonable person.
>
>As a reasonable person with a strong bias and his hands over his eyes, yes
>I'd agree with you.
If you stopped covering your eyes with your hands, you'd see why arguing
the wonders of Windows in cola is ludicrous, and not a sound basis for a
claim that fans of Linux are 'biased', outside of the fact that (oh,
dear!) they're fans of Linux.
As one reasonable person to another reasonable person who happens to
have a strong bias and his hands over his eyes (yes, I'm purposefully
misconstruing your ambiguous phrasing), I'll just point out that you're
being a dweeb, as well as a troll.
>>Therefore it was not a reasonable
>>assumption for you to presume that every application on your system
>>would print perfectly because the test page did, nor that the Gimp was
>>malfunctioning or had unreasonable defaults when it failed to give you
>>the expected output.
>
>Alright, let's hold this up to the light shall we? What happens when you
>install Windows and you setup a printer queue?
Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't, that's what.
>Every application starts
>using it. Now, that's a pretty reasonable thing for software to do isn't
>it? Ah, but you're going to have _some_ answer to this one, aren't you?
Yes, the same answer I've had all along. It is a *familiar* thing, for
you to think of setting up a printer (not a printer queue) in Windows
means every application will use that printer and a single common
configuration. Familiarity is in opposition to ignorance, and ignorance
is the opposite of reason. So if you are familiar with Windows, it is
reasonable to expect that Windows works this way. However, to expect
any other system, which you are not familiar with, to work this way,
because the system you are familiar with, Windows, works this way...
well, that's not reasonable, I'm afraid. And posting a recitation of
how you proved your ignorance by being unaware of the printer
configuration in Gimp under the subject "Another Linux 'Oopsie'" on
comp.os.linux.advocacy is trolling.
I'm done spanking you this time, troll; my arm is getting tired, so I'll
snip the rest of your sorry-ass post. Go read a HOW-TO or something.
[...]
Thanks for your time. Hope it helps.
--
T. Max Devlin
*** The best way to convince another is
to state your case moderately and
accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Another Linux "Oopsie"!
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 18:18:07 -0500
Mart van de Wege wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Aaron Kulkis"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Nigel wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> > "Well, it doesn't say NOT to use dish-washing-out liquid in
> >> > the video!"
> >> >
> >>
> >> Have we got a video.
> >
> > If one more person asks if we have a video....
> >
> >
> Oh? Have we got a Video?
>
> Sorry Aaron, just couldn't resist. We'll call you Vyvian from
> now on, OK?
>
"The solution to this problem is a combination of psychology
and extreme violence."
> Mart
>
> --
> YahDu (Yet another happy Debian user)
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi)
Subject: Re: Incredible developments in Italy regarding business software
Date: 20 Feb 2001 23:19:33 GMT
On Tue, 20 Feb 2001 17:59:24 -0500, Aaron Kulkis wrote:
>
>"...from the USE of..." pretty much kills that.
>
>Watch Italy fall into the IT dark ages within 2 years.
It's only valid if the software was distributed and sold on some medium.
It doesn't seem to apply to CDs you burn at home and share with
your friends (?)
Still, that doesn't in any way alter the fact that the authors of
such legislation are a bunch of beaurocratic nincompoops.
--
Donovan Rebbechi * http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/ *
elflord at panix dot com
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From: Steve Mading <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Another Linux "Oopsie"!
Date: 20 Feb 2001 23:18:00 GMT
Peter Hayes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: On Tue, 20 Feb 2001 00:17:37 +0000, "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
:> > And before you slag me off as a rabid Microserf as well, Max, I've no
:> > love of Gates and his cronies. But printing under Linux is a disaster
:> > and has been since the days of RedHat 4.1 and Slackware 3 at least, also
:> > something called Linux FT that I tried years ago. It didn't matter then,
:> > but if Linux is to replace Windows as the desktop of the future, then it
:> > *does* matter now.
:>
:>
:> I have an hp 500. It is neither pnp or PS and it prints perfectly. Tye
:> redhat printtool.
: I've had some successes and some failures with printtool.
: Printing is a fundamental requirement. Configuring a printer has to be
: addressed with more maturity than expecting the user to fiddle around with
: drivers on a per application basis.
True. But that's the way it works already. I've never had
this experience you claim you had with gimp, where printing
had to be configured for multiple apps. I will grant you that
driver support sometimes lags, but it IS a system-wide thing
that works for all apps or none of them.
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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: MS seeks Gov't help to stop blacks from using computersRe: Microsoft
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 18:21:48 -0500
Bloody Viking wrote:
>
> unicat ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>
> : "After all, if you give software away for free, then even blacks will be
> : able to access the internet. And Microsoft certainly wouldn't want
> : that to happen..." (is what we know he was thinking)
>
> Come on, don't add racism to the flamefest here. In any case, Linux
> technically speaking at least would be a better choice for poor people (of any
> colour) becuse it will run on old computers, which can be found at resale
> shops dirt cheap or by dumpster diving, or simply buying fenced stolen gear.
Which is why Gates doesn't like it.
>
> The postal service sells off old gear (due to the upgrade-go-round of course)
> and it being a black majority workplace, causes black computer access, at
> least for some. Once .NET disables all the warez, black postal workers, not
> really affluent enough to afford MS, would be best off going with Linux. Maybe
> a specialty distro could be made to help ease that transition, maybe calling
> it "Blackware", a modified version of Slackware, say by having a working
> filesystem all in one giant tarball on a CD, ready to install by untarring
> into position with a script.
>
> Before you get racist, maybe you should try working in a black majority
> workplace. It's a unique expierence.
I don't think he was being racist. He was saying that, like so many
other who pretend to be "protecting the public" oftentimes have racial
motives in mind.
Ever notice how the majority of the strictest gun-control laws are
in those localities with a high proportion of black residents...
and that these same gun laws ALWAYS allow exceptions for the very
same people who claim that nobody "needs" a gun.
>
> --
> FOOD FOR THOUGHT: 100 calories are used up in the course of a mile run.
> The USDA guidelines for dietary fibre is equal to one ounce of sawdust.
> The liver makes the vast majority of the cholesterol in your bloodstream.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Another Linux "Oopsie"!
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 23:23:33 GMT
Said Peter Hayes in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Tue, 20 Feb 2001 10:31:19
+0000;
>On Tue, 20 Feb 2001 00:17:37 +0000, "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> > And before you slag me off as a rabid Microserf as well, Max, I've no
>> > love of Gates and his cronies. But printing under Linux is a disaster
>> > and has been since the days of RedHat 4.1 and Slackware 3 at least, also
>> > something called Linux FT that I tried years ago. It didn't matter then,
>> > but if Linux is to replace Windows as the desktop of the future, then it
>> > *does* matter now.
>>
>>
>> I have an hp 500. It is neither pnp or PS and it prints perfectly. Tye
>> redhat printtool.
>
>I've had some successes and some failures with printtool.
>
>Printing is a fundamental requirement. Configuring a printer has to be
>addressed with more maturity than expecting the user to fiddle around with
>drivers on a per application basis.
Those aren't "drivers", they're mere lp commands. I can understand the
notion that learning lp commands is a tremendous burden on the user, but
if the only alternative is monopoly crapware, then make your choices and
save your second-guessing anybody else's, because you're screwed either
way. But one way of getting screwed costs you money and feeds the
problem; the other makes you smarter and eliminates the problem.
Recognizing (through the effort of not second-guessing anyone) that not
everyone has the "moral fiber" or "strength of will" or whatever to
overcome their ignorance and, worse, confusion, is simply a matter of
double-checking the market (and noticing that there are some who love
Linux, and even lp) until the monopoly is destroyed, and then watching
what happens when competition is restored. Because that's what fixes
these "little things"; not trolling on Usenet.
--
T. Max Devlin
*** The best way to convince another is
to state your case moderately and
accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else
Date: 20 Feb 2001 23:24:53 GMT
On Tue, 20 Feb 2001 17:49:59 -0500, Aaron Kulkis wrote:
>
>
>chrisv wrote:
>>
>> Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> >Income taxes of ANY sort punish those who WORK, while letting those
>> >who live off of Grandpa's trust funds (Kennedys, Rockefellers) without
>> >paying a dime. Replacing Income taxes with Sales taxes reverses
>> >this situation.
>>
>> But then the less you earn, the HIGHER PERCENTAGE of your income goes
>> to taxes.
>
>And the less you earn, the HIGHER PERCENTAGE of your income goes to
>pay for a pound of ground beef at the grocery store.
Which exposes the absurdity of suggestions that the aristocracy "need"
tax relief.
--
Donovan Rebbechi * http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/ *
elflord at panix dot com
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bloody Viking)
Subject: Re: Why Open Source better be careful - The Microsoft Un-American
Date: 20 Feb 2001 23:25:22 GMT
Donal K. Fellows ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: How much oil there is depends very largely on how much money you want to
: pay for it. The higher the price, there more that it is economically
: viable to extract. Over a certain price (ISTR $35/barrel from somewhere)
: it is even possible to start creating long-chain hydrocarbons from
: non-petrochemical sources. The world's not about to end, but it might
: get a bit more expensive to live the way we do now...
Yes and no. A fact is that there's only a finite amount of oil to be had - at
any price. A subtle item you miss (and all the economists miss) is that the
nonconventional oil (tar sands, shales, etc.) are not necessarily obtainable
at any price. The jury is still out on tar sands and shales as we have not
found a way to get that oil out in a way that we get more than a barrel for a
barrel used to extract it. We may find a way, and "suppressed technology" may
yet emerge, like the petrol-electric car to get triple the fuel economy, based
on the decades-extant diesel-electric locomotive drivetrain.
The world may not end, but economic disruption will occur. Ask yourself WHY,
only NOW, did suddenly a petrol-electric car emerge on the market even as SUVs
sell like hotcakes and as diesel train engines have been around for decades.
Another tantalising item is all the oil company mergering. Why? It looks
suspiciously like the corporatocracy is preparing for a coming permanent oil
shortage. Why would a car emerge that gets triple fuel economy based on a
decades-old technology used to pull mile-long trains but miniaturised?
--
FOOD FOR THOUGHT: 100 calories are used up in the course of a mile run.
The USDA guidelines for dietary fibre is equal to one ounce of sawdust.
The liver makes the vast majority of the cholesterol in your bloodstream.
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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The Windows guy.
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 18:27:27 -0500
Pete Goodwin wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
>
> >Conversely, GM has Unix systems with 150 installed apps...and there's
> >not even the slightest question if adding another one will impact
> >stability.
> >
> >Because in a well-designed system, crashing apps don't harm the OS.
>
> Then why does forking child processes ad infinitum bring Linux to its
> knees (assuming no limits)?
Because UNRESTRAINED, infinite resource consumption will bring ANY
O/S to it's knees, you idiot.
by the way, your quandry is easily solved:
$ ulimit -u n
where n is the limit for the maximum number of processes which any user
may have running.
>
> Then why does loading a 130MByte text file into the Advanced Text Editor
> make Linux go into massive paging?
Because that's how virtual memory works when your working set greatly
exceeds physical memory.
Again, that's a "natural law", and has nothing to do with Linux.
>
> _Any_ system can be brought down by an application.
>
> Pete
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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