Linux-Advocacy Digest #359, Volume #32 Tue, 20 Feb 01 19:13:05 EST
Contents:
Re: SSH vulnerabilities - still waiting [ was Interesting article ] (T. Max Devlin)
Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: SSH vulnerabilities - still waiting [ was Interesting article ] (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Whistler/.NET will Help Linux (Steve Mading)
Re: SSH vulnerabilities - still waiting [ was Interesting article ] (T. Max Devlin)
Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else (Donovan Rebbechi)
Re: SSH vulnerabilities - still waiting [ was Interesting article ] (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Incredible developments in Italy regarding business software (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: Information wants to be free, Revisited (Donovan Rebbechi)
Re: Microsoft says Linux threatens innovation ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: SSH vulnerabilities - still waiting [ was Interesting article ] (T. Max Devlin)
Re: SSH vulnerabilities - still waiting [ was Interesting article ] (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Information wants to be free, Revisited (Donovan Rebbechi)
Re: Why Open Source better be careful - The Microsoft Un-American (Bloody Viking)
Re: SSH vulnerabilities - still waiting [ was Interesting article ] (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Information wants to be free, Revisited (John Rudd)
Re: The Windows guy. (Donovan Rebbechi)
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.security.ssh
Subject: Re: SSH vulnerabilities - still waiting [ was Interesting article ]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 23:28:43 GMT
Said Chad Myers in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Tue, 20 Feb 2001 14:01:35
>"Donal K. Fellows" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> Chad Myers wrote:
>> > "Craig Kelley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> >> Yep, that's pretty much the definition of FUD.
>> > So you're admitting you're avoiding all my facts, right?
>>
>> I admit that you're a clueless dipstick, Chad, with an amazing ability
>> to demonstrate in a public forum your lack of ability at basic reading
>> comprehension. Detailed rebuttals have been posted, and you have
>> somehow managed to completely miss the point throughout. If you wish
>> to be regarded by the general public as anything other than a kid that
>> is predestined to live out your life in the illiterati, I'd advise
>> spending time learning how to take a piece of text and get all the
>> information out of it. (My kid brother is better at it than you seem
>> to be...)
>
>Another factless avoidance post by the Penguinistas.
>
>Why do you guys continue to avoid the truth and facts?
>
>-Chad
>
Wow; that's one for the Troll Hall of Fame.
--
T. Max Devlin
*** The best way to convince another is
to state your case moderately and
accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 18:29:34 -0500
Donovan Rebbechi wrote:
>
> On Tue, 20 Feb 2001 18:04:49 -0500, Aaron Kulkis wrote:
>
> >1. I favor the abolition of inheritance taxes for precisely that reason.
> >Inheritance taxes are one of the MOST Marxist taxes around.
>
> On the contrary, creating a society that hands out rewards on the basis
> of inheritance and not merit is a great way to create an aristocracy.
>
> Part of the problem is that you seem to be incapable of distinguishing
> between merit and hereditary. This has already been established.
>
> >2. How much you want to bet the the Kennedy's have never paid a dime
> >in Inheritance taxes.
>
> Then maybe it's time to lower the thresholds and tighten the loopholes!
> I bet that it's not the democrats who are fighting this ...
>
Really? Then why do the majority of the "super rich" in America donate
only to the Demoncrook party?
> --
> Donovan Rebbechi * http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/ *
> elflord at panix dot com
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.security.ssh
Subject: Re: SSH vulnerabilities - still waiting [ was Interesting article ]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 23:29:49 GMT
Said Donal K. Fellows in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Tue, 20 Feb 2001
>Chad Myers wrote:
>> "Donal K. Fellows" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>[flame elided]
>> Another factless avoidance post by the Penguinistas.
>
>Penguinista? Me? <snigger>
>
>> Why do you guys continue to avoid the truth and facts?
>
>Why do you never consider the possibility that you might be wrong, and
>that your understanding of the facts might be deeply flawed?
He is unconcerned with such things, Donal. His point is to get a rise
out of you, and he does that simply by claiming you're "avoiding the
facts", no matter what else he or you says. Get a grip; you're feeding
the trolls, is all.
--
T. Max Devlin
*** The best way to convince another is
to state your case moderately and
accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
------------------------------
From: Steve Mading <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Whistler/.NET will Help Linux
Date: 20 Feb 2001 23:25:40 GMT
Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
:> "Aaron Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
:> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
:> > > About the only part of Cairo that was promised that never happened was
:> the
:> > > OO File system.
:> >
:> > Still lagging behind Unix...which has had an object oriented filesystem
:> > since the beginning.
:>
:> Proving, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that you are commenting on something
:> you don't understand.
: I can see how a deranged C programmer could confuse ioctls with
: objects. :)
The Unix device driver and file system is an object-oriented
interface: You have universal operations that work on all
device drivers: read/write/open/close. They are the same operations
as you use on files, so when you write a bit of code that prints
a line of text to the screen, it can use the exact same code to
print to a file or the printer or to a tape or to make noise on an
audio playback device, anything else for which the 'write some
bytes' operation has a logical meaning. The fact that it does
this without an object-oriented language is of no consequence.
Object orientation is a state of mind - it is not defined by
the langauge. People can write object-oriented designs and
implement them on a non-object-oriented language. It's just
a lot more difficult, that's all. Object oriented programming
and object oriented languages are not the same thing. The
latter is a tool that makes the former easier, but does not
guarantee that it is actually taking place.
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: SSH vulnerabilities - still waiting [ was Interesting article ]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 23:30:55 GMT
Said Peter K�hlmann in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Tue, 20 Feb 2001
>Chad Myers wrote:
>>
>> Another factless avoidance post by the Penguinistas.
>>
>> Why do you guys continue to avoid the truth and facts?
>>
>>
>When is Chad Myers going to answer the other posts which refuted
>ALL of his claims with facts?
Never.
>Repeating the same lies over and over again is not going to make
>them true.
Obviously not, but it will get a response from you, and since he's a
troll, that's his goal.
--
T. Max Devlin
*** The best way to convince another is
to state your case moderately and
accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
------------------------------
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else
Date: 20 Feb 2001 23:33:18 GMT
On Tue, 20 Feb 2001 22:45:15 GMT, Robert Surenko wrote:
>In comp.os.linux.misc Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>No, I understand perfectly. I've been disscussing the Scientific Method.
>
>Many people claim that the only way to "know" something is the
>Scientific Method. They also claim that any other way of "knowing"
>is un-scientific.
>
>So far We've identified 2 ways to "know" something. Iv'e proposed
>a 3rd. Thanks for the 4th.
I'd take an extreme view here and suggest the only way we can "know"
anything is by deductive reasoning, and typically we need to make
assumptions (hypotheses) as a premise for our reasoning. In the
end we can only "know" things like (x) implies (y).
Scientific deduction is not a means by which we can "know", because
it requires faith in the basic assumption that the universe will behave
in a consistent manner (for example, the sun will rise tomorrow).
Since everyone has such faith, it is typically considered acceptable.
--
Donovan Rebbechi * http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/ *
elflord at panix dot com
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.security.ssh
Subject: Re: SSH vulnerabilities - still waiting [ was Interesting article ]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 23:33:45 GMT
Said Chad Myers in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Tue, 20 Feb 2001 01:52:59
[...]
>Is Tatu mistaken when he claims that his own product (I assume
>he's from SSH.com, right?) is "fundamentally broken"?
Apparently.
>OpenSSH still ships with SSH1 functionality (and SSH2, admittedly)
>
>-Chad
>
>
Go away, little troll.
--
T. Max Devlin
*** The best way to convince another is
to state your case moderately and
accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
------------------------------
From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Incredible developments in Italy regarding business software
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 18:34:56 -0500
Donovan Rebbechi wrote:
>
> On Tue, 20 Feb 2001 17:59:24 -0500, Aaron Kulkis wrote:
> >
>
> >"...from the USE of..." pretty much kills that.
> >
> >Watch Italy fall into the IT dark ages within 2 years.
>
> It's only valid if the software was distributed and sold on some medium.
> It doesn't seem to apply to CDs you burn at home and share with
> your friends (?)
>
> Still, that doesn't in any way alter the fact that the authors of
> such legislation are a bunch of beaurocratic nincompoops.
People who are attracted to government, ESPECIALLY as legislators,
are, by and large, moochers and parasites, who seek not only to
elevate themselves on the backs of others...but to use the full
force of the government to steal the resources necessary to
fulfill their goals.
>
> --
> Donovan Rebbechi * http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/ *
> elflord at panix dot com
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi)
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Information wants to be free, Revisited
Date: 20 Feb 2001 23:36:23 GMT
On Tue, 20 Feb 2001 17:35:09 -0500, Aaron Kulkis wrote:
>
>And your handgun death rate started RISING as soon as handguns were banned.
You also claimed that the homicide rate in Australia doubled.
Cite, please.
--
Donovan Rebbechi * http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/ *
elflord at panix dot com
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Microsoft says Linux threatens innovation
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 23:37:44 +0000
<snip>
> How much do you want to bet that Microsoft NEVER bothers with
> doing true clean-room implementations.
>
Why make a bet? You *know* M$ doesn't bother!
--
http://www.guild.bham.ac.uk/chess-club
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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 18:36:37 -0500
Donovan Rebbechi wrote:
>
> On Tue, 20 Feb 2001 17:49:59 -0500, Aaron Kulkis wrote:
> >
> >
> >chrisv wrote:
> >>
> >> Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Income taxes of ANY sort punish those who WORK, while letting those
> >> >who live off of Grandpa's trust funds (Kennedys, Rockefellers) without
> >> >paying a dime. Replacing Income taxes with Sales taxes reverses
> >> >this situation.
> >>
> >> But then the less you earn, the HIGHER PERCENTAGE of your income goes
> >> to taxes.
> >
> >And the less you earn, the HIGHER PERCENTAGE of your income goes to
> >pay for a pound of ground beef at the grocery store.
>
> Which exposes the absurdity of suggestions that the aristocracy "need"
> tax relief.
"NEED" has nothing to do with it.
Do you ***NEED*** your connection to USENET?
do you ***NEED*** your TV?
If you're going to base government confiscation policies based on
"need", then you end up with an impoverished population like Russia.
>
> --
> Donovan Rebbechi * http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/ *
> elflord at panix dot com
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.security.ssh
Subject: Re: SSH vulnerabilities - still waiting [ was Interesting article ]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 23:37:18 GMT
Said Chad Myers in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Tue, 20 Feb 2001 01:45:40
>"Reid Fleming" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> On Mon, 19 Feb 2001 18:23:33 GMT, Chad Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> wrote:
>>
>> <lame flamebait deleted>
>>
>> you're obviously bucking for Allchin's job as ms-shill-of-the-millenium.
>>
>> *plonk*
>
>Another asshole who refuses to prove me wrong. Settling, it appears,
>with calling me names and burying his head back in the sand.
You've been proven wrong so many times, Myers, its an embarrassment.
>So far, the only refutes I've heard are "Well, it's the users fault",
>or, "this is very unlikely", or other BS. So far, no one has said
>"this doesn't happen". They're all potentially exploitable vulnerabilities
>which still exist on a large number of SSH deployments.
So far, all I've seen is them systematically proving that everything you
write is either a misrepresentation or a complete fabrication. Such as
the statement you just made.
--
T. Max Devlin
*** The best way to convince another is
to state your case moderately and
accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
------------------------------
From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.security.ssh
Subject: Re: SSH vulnerabilities - still waiting [ was Interesting article ]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 23:38:44 GMT
Said Chad Myers in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Tue, 20 Feb 2001 13:59:28
>"lurker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
[...]
>Really, how do you answer to all these exploits and vulnerabilities?
By my reckoning, there are three potential vulnerabilities, and exactly
ZERO exploits for SSH. You're lying through your teeth again, Myers,
but I guess we knew that. And to think I once thought you were bright
enough to be a sock-puppet like Erik.
--
T. Max Devlin
*** The best way to convince another is
to state your case moderately and
accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
------------------------------
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi)
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Information wants to be free, Revisited
Date: 20 Feb 2001 23:40:10 GMT
On Tue, 20 Feb 2001 17:32:20 -0500, Aaron Kulkis wrote:
>
>Exceedingly poor analysis.
>
>
>You seem to forget that the number of criminals carrying guns tends
>to remain unchanged by such laws.
>
>What part of VIOLENT LAW VIOLATOR do you not understand?
Like a typical rightist, you erroneously paint everything in simple
dichotomies. The world is not neatly divided into "criminals" /
"VIOLENT LAW VIOLATEORS" and "law abiding citizens".
Are all homicides committed by people with prior criminal convictions ?
--
Donovan Rebbechi * http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/ *
elflord at panix dot com
------------------------------
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bloody Viking)
Subject: Re: Why Open Source better be careful - The Microsoft Un-American
Date: 20 Feb 2001 23:41:57 GMT
Aaron Kulkis ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: > In case you are wondering, I discovered a second law of economics to match the
: > first.
: > Advertising always destroys the communications medium in with it's allowed to
: > exist without restraint.
: good observation.
Maybe I should go to school for an economics degree and code a Nobel Prize
thesis based on the two laws I discovered. I discovered my second law with the
spam, and how the email system was degraded by it as people filter with
zillions of incompatible filter schemes, munge their addresses, etc. as well
as bandwidth waste slowing down the network itself. My login name is an
example of a spam filter, filtering on spammers that try to un-munge
addresses. I also use my ISP's Procmail filter.
I came to realise it holds true of other media like how everyone filters
calls, again by myriad incompatible methods, to slow the onslaught every
night. I use a fax machine, to cause telemarketer wardialers to killfile my
number. If you don't have a fax (or don't have your computer aligned to send
and receive faxes) you can't call me. If you use an answering machine, I can't
call you as I never leave messages due to phone tag. Thus, a link is
permanently broken, and the system as a whole is degraded.
And with the snail mail too, as bills get lost, not by sloppy service, but by
bills getting mixed in with junk. I had my apartment lease lost by this
process, and had to arrange the landlord company to drop it off with the
building manager to finally autograph it. Even though the snailspammer pays
postage, he imposes costs onto his victims by degrading mail service.
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.security.ssh
Subject: Re: SSH vulnerabilities - still waiting [ was Interesting article ]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 23:43:52 GMT
Said Chad Myers in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Tue, 20 Feb 2001 01:49:02
>"Joseph T. Adams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:96rrjo$mmo$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Klaus-Georg Adams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> : "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>>
>> :> "Theo de Raadt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> :> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> :> > "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> :> >
>> :> > > According to the trademark cease-and-desist letter sent to the OpenSSH
>> :> > > folks from the SSH.com people, OpenSSH only uses the SSH1 protocol,
>> :> > > but they may be wrong, I guess.
>> :> >
>> :> > Naw, I wouldn't just call you wrong.
>> :> >
>> :> > I'd go further and call you an argumentative net-kook idiot who can't
>> :> > do his own research before opening his mouth and yammering bullshit.
>> :>
>> :> Well, so far I've posted several links and cited several readily
>> :> available sources.
>> :>
>> :> What have you contributed besides infantile name calling and
>> :> immature profanities?
>> :>
>> :> Do you wish to debate like an adult, or foam at the mouth like an
>> :> idiot?
>> :>
>> :> Post a link refuting my claims. Barring that, shut up and go home.
>>
>> : This is just too funny to be true: Chad Myers accusing _Theo de Raadt_
>> : of all persons of not contributing enough when speaking about SSH.
>>
>>
>> Chad probably *still* doesn't know who Mr. de Raadt is.
>
>I do.
>
>So far, I think he's an ass. There are serious claims about his product,
>claims that HE HIMSELF have made, but he refuses to address them; settling,
>instead, for calling me names and acting like an immature idiot.
Chad's idiocy aside, I am still myself partially ignorant in this
regard. I presume Mr. de Raadt is the author of the open source version
of ssh?
>So far, no one has refuted my claims (which were basically that SSH isn't
>secure and there are several exploitable vulnerabilities which exist
>on a large number of installed SSH hosts). They continue to bash me,
>call me names, and other infantile behaviors, but no one has addressed
>these issues.
All of your claims have been refuted, Chad, even as you keep
back-pedaling furiously. Your claims are patently false: this is a
fact.
>If this is how security issues are addressed in the Unix word, I thank
>God I only use Windows for the most part.
>
>Keep your head in the sand for all I care, it just shows your glaring
>ignorance.
Well, you seem to have ignored the fact that more than half of the
vulnerabilities you posted (claiming they were exploits) have already
been fixed. So there's really no need for this posturing; you're a
laughably pathetic net.kook.
--
T. Max Devlin
*** The best way to convince another is
to state your case moderately and
accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 15:44:23 -0800
From: John Rudd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Information wants to be free, Revisited
Aaron Kulkis wrote:
>
>
> Here's a clue...when you see this:
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis
> Unix Systems Engineer"
>
> stop reading.
>
It has nothing to do with whether or not I keep reading. It has to do
with the fact that I still have to wade through the BS in order to get
to the next message. Or are you now saying that you no longer have the
right to impose your rudeness and arrogance upon not just my disk space
and network bandwidth, but also upon my user routines by making me exert
all of the extra effort to switch from keyboard mode (with the space
bar) to mousing up to hit next before I get to the bottom of the
message?
(and before you try to dismiss this aspect, anyone who knows even the
slightest bit about ergonomics and repetitive stress issues knows that
those types of transitions do increase the stress on the users muscles
in a way that is significant over time and repitition (ie. having to do
it for each and every one of your messages))
--
John "kzin" Rudd http://www.domain.org/users/kzin
Truth decays into beauty, while beauty soon becomes merely charm. Charm
ends up as strangeness, and even that doesn't last. (Physics of Quarks)
-----===== Kein Mitleid Fu:r MicroSoft (www.kmfms.com) ======-----
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi)
Subject: Re: The Windows guy.
Date: 20 Feb 2001 23:45:22 GMT
On Tue, 20 Feb 2001 22:29:33 GMT, Pete Goodwin wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
>
>>Conversely, GM has Unix systems with 150 installed apps...and there's
>>not even the slightest question if adding another one will impact
>>stability.
>>
>>Because in a well-designed system, crashing apps don't harm the OS.
>
>Then why does forking child processes ad infinitum bring Linux to its
>knees (assuming no limits)?
Of course, if you let users use all the resources, then they can use all
the resources. You're making an entirely circular argument.
A well designed system doesn't make it impossible for users to use
all resources, it makes it possible to prevent it.
>Then why does loading a 130MByte text file into the Advanced Text Editor
>make Linux go into massive paging?
Same reason.
>_Any_ system can be brought down by an application.
There's a difference -- a well designed system makes it possible to
prevent "greedy" applications from consuming all resources, a poorly
designed system might not do the same.
--
Donovan Rebbechi * http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/ *
elflord at panix dot com
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