Linux-Advocacy Digest #368, Volume #32 Wed, 21 Feb 01 03:13:03 EST
Contents:
Re: Information wants to be free, Revisited (Donald R. McGregor)
Re: Information wants to be free, Revisited (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: Whistler/.NET will Help Linux (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: NT 4.0 symbolic links? ("matt")
Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else (Donovan Rebbechi)
Re: Whistler/.NET will Help Linux (Ed Allen)
Re: Whistler/.NET will Help Linux (Ed Allen)
Re: How much do you *NEED*? (Jim Broughton)
Re: Information wants to be free, Revisited (Donovan Rebbechi)
Re: Who said NT was stable ! (Benjamin Stocker)
Re: Information wants to be free, Revisited (Donald R. McGregor)
Re: Whistler/.NET will Help Linux (Ed Allen)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donald R. McGregor)
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Information wants to be free, Revisited
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 06:12:09 -0000
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Donova
Note followups.
n Rebbechi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On Tue, 20 Feb 2001 17:32:20 -0500, Aaron Kulkis wrote:
>>
>>What part of VIOLENT LAW VIOLATOR do you not understand?
>
>Like a typical rightist,
Gun rights aren't a right/left issue. George Orwell has some
stirring quotes about the rifle in the working man's home
being a guarantee of liberty.
>Are all homicides committed by people with prior criminal convictions ?
>
Most of 'em. As I recall the percentage is around 75%. Roughly
the same numbers for the victims, too.
The late 80's-early 90's spike in the murder rate was mostly
related to the crack wars. Do you think some merchant with
criminals for customers, large quantities of valuable goods,
no recourse to the legal system, and lots of cash is going to
have problems finding a gun? Do you think increasing restrictions
on guns is going to have any effect on these people?
--
Don McGregor | "The cemetery is filled with indispensable men."
[EMAIL PROTECTED]| --DeGaulle
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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Information wants to be free, Revisited
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 01:12:06 -0500
Gerry wrote:
>
> Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > Nothing. And why should I need to change how I read news just for your
> > > sake?
> >
> > Then figure out the key for "next message"
> >
> > or is that tooooooo difficult?
>
> You didn't answer his question.
>
> But please answer these:
> Can you justify your signature?
Yes. without my .sig, bandwidth on this newsgroup would explode
to 5x the present volume with flamewars
> What purpose does it serve?
keeps flamers from following me around and starting shit.
> Do you think people want to read it?
I don't care.
> Do you think people should have to work around your obnoxiousness?
Ever see a newsgroup wrecked by flamewars?
>
> Is it "tooooooo difficult" for you to realize that you should
> trim your signature to no more than 3-5 lines?
Is it too difficult for you to realize that a great many
people despise what I write.
>
> The top 4 lines of your signature are acceptable.
> I don't understand, nor do I care about the other 99% of your sig.
I really have no interest in giving you a demonstration of
the utter chaos which would ensue if I were to remove it.
Nor does anybody else who remembers the days before I wrote
the .sig...when the below-mentioned in-duh-viduals would
follow me around all over USENET starting flamewars.
All of the people below STILL post, and in other groups where
I post. If I were to remove the .sig, I am quite sure that
the attacks would resume.
>
> --
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://homepage.mac.com/gbeggs/
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.GerryICQ.com/
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Whistler/.NET will Help Linux
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 01:15:55 -0500
Marten Kemp wrote:
>
> Bob Hauck wrote:
> >
> <<snip>>
> > >> It might well be too late. Jim Allchin seems to think that what's good
> > >> for MS is good for the country.
> > >
> > > That was GM, not IBM.
> >
> > Yes, you're right. I get my arrogant behemoth companies confused
> > sometimes.
>
> I've lost the original quote but the original sentiment was "What is
> good for GM is good for the country and what is good for the country is
> good for GM." Not the arrogant statement that only the first part of the
> quotation suggests.
Very true. It was during the Eisenhower administration.
Some legislation was being discussed, and there was opposition because
it would be "good for big business"
A representative from GM responded with the that quote.
>
> >
> > > Were they really as bad as Microsoft, even in their time, though?
> >
> > Don't know for sure. Their heyday was a bit before my time in the
> > industry. I'm told that they did have a policy of trying to prevent
> > customers from connecting equipment made by competitors to IBM
> > computers. They apparently leased the computer rather than selling it,
> > so that they could force the customer to use only IBM peripherals and
> > software. Of course, this was "good for the customer" because they got
> > genuine IBM service instead of a cheap knockoff.
> >
> > --
> > -| Bob Hauck
> > -| Codem Systems, Inc.
> > -| http://www.codem.com/
>
> IBM was eventually forced to allow competitor's equipment to be
> attached, but IBM wouldn't support it. During the early days the
> operating system software was free and a large amount was shipped as
> source code. Once the machines could be purchased the software became a
> separately chargable item, usually licensed (rented), and software
> support was also an extra cost option. IBM's mainframe hardware and
> software support is *still* world-class, with extremely large amounts of
> resources available for debugging and problem recreation. I know of many
> situations where a significant part of a customer's data center is
> replicated on a support system for debugging.
> -- Marten Kemp
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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Reply-To: "matt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
From: "matt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: NT 4.0 symbolic links?
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 15:40:33 -0500
The one time I ever got a "symbolic link" was in DOS 7 when my old Compaq's
hard drive crashed.
Months later after it died, I was able to make a boot disk from another PC
that it could boot from. I
started to put more stuff on it, and eventually, this one directory(C:\JUNK)
started pointing to
another directory(C:\EUPHORIA\TOPAZ). Heh :)
"Bill Shine" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:Soni6.498$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Would anybody happen to know if you can create symbolic links under NTFS
> with NT 4.0? I unfortunately have to use this rather brain-dead system
> at work, and the lack of mount points is driving me nuts! Our IT
> department is planning on an eventual migration to w2k by early next
> year...
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else
Date: 21 Feb 2001 07:00:58 GMT
On Tue, 20 Feb 2001 23:58:52 -0500, Aaron Kulkis wrote:
>Wrong...Because the Demoncrook party has ALWAYS been in the business of
>protecting the financial interests of the socio-economic elite in this
>country.
That's why Bush's plan primarily benefits the richest 1%, right ? And it's
also why the democrats are opposing it -- because giving huge tax breaks
to all the millionaires is not in the interests of the socio-economic
elite ?
>Very good. And in this country...$$$$$ = Power.
No, they're not the same thing. For example, the president is one of the
worlds most powerful men, but probably not one of the worlds richest.
>Simple...if you're really rich..it benefits your efforts to keep--and acquire
>MORE--power, if special exceptions are written in to the tax law...just for you.
>
>Remember all of the "tax loopholes" that everybody complained about?
>
>Exactly *WHO* put them there? Remember...The Demoncrooks controlled the
>House of Representatives CONTINOUSLY from 1944 to 1980, and the Senate for
>all but 4 years between 1944 and 1980.
>
>Are you going to buy into the argument that in the 2 seperate 2-year stints
>when the Republicans had a Senate majority, that they managed to ram ALL of
>these tax loopholes through the DEMOCRAT-CONTROLLED HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES?
It's not as simple as that. To "control" the senate in any reasonable sense,
you need 60% (preferably 67%) of the seats. The senate rules basically imply
that a deadlock will ensue unless there is some compromise.
--
Donovan Rebbechi * http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/ *
elflord at panix dot com
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Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Whistler/.NET will Help Linux
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ed Allen)
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 07:01:01 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Tim Hanson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>"T. Max Devlin" wrote:
>>
>>
>> >> > MS made Win32 programs work with existing DOS and windows drivers,
>> >> > something that OS/2 didn't do. This was important to consumers, as
>> >> > was the solid look and feel.
>> >>
>> >> Of course, Win95 was slower and less reliable (and that's saying
>> >> something) if you took advantage of this.
>> >
>> >Not even, Win95 was much faster than Windows 3.1, and was much more stable
>> >than 3.1.
>>
>> Yes, but slower and less reliable than OS/2, which was the point. You
>> really *do* have blinders on, don't you?
>
>Note that M$ is still playing this game. In their advertizing they're
>calling Windows [whatever, this month] "The fastest Windows ever..." and
>'even more stable than Windows [whatever, last month]." It's not too
>tough competing against one's past self.
>
And it avoids comparison against what MS wants to be kept underneath
the public's awareness, that other OSes can actually run on Wintel
hardware.
By keeping their victims largely ignorant of any escape they foster
feelings of remaining hopeless and trapped.
--
How much do we need to pay you to screw Netscape?
- BILL GATES, to AOL in a 1996 meeting
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Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Whistler/.NET will Help Linux
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ed Allen)
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 07:01:01 GMT
In article <Ntqk6.392$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Erik Funkenbusch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>"Ed Allen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> In article <Xqmk6.374$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>> Erik Funkenbusch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >
>> >I happen to agree that people in their garages can overthrow MS. Most
>Linux
>> >people seem to think they can do just that. Congress and the DOJ doesn't
>> >seem to think that is true.
>> >
>> What you don't seem to understand is that Microsoft is lying about
>> how likely it is that a few people in a garage will survive long
>> enough to affect them.
>
>[ followed by...]
>
>> Open Source will eventually topple Microsoft whether the program is
>> Linux or something else. These are impassioned people who are
>> willing to contribute what little they can because it gets returned
>> many times over.
>
>Do you enjoy contradicting yourself?
>
I did not contradict myself. You seem quick to jump to conclusions
and ignore what else is before you.
Open Source is not limited to a single garage it is supported by a
community of developers far larger than any commercial software firm
could afford spread across the entire world in most cases.
Just because a Jaguar is the top predator in his area does not mean
that he attempts to fight off an invasion of Army Ants. Defeating a
single ant would be trivial but when they appear in their hundreds
of thousands even the top cat seeks a new neighborhood.
The Open Source community is now millions strong, time for some
reorganization.
--
How much do we need to pay you to screw Netscape?
- BILL GATES, to AOL in a 1996 meeting
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From: Jim Broughton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How much do you *NEED*?
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 07:06:22 GMT
Charlie Ebert wrote:
>
> How many more examples are going to have to appear and go by to
> convince you that Linux is the right choice for your business
> and personal needs?
>
>
> If your a Windows user you face the following things.
>
> #1. You have to pay for your software.
> The price of your software is going up all the time.
> #2. Your Windows OS is unreliable.
> You can break Windows by installing a driver which
> isn't ready for prime time. Or how about just
> running your favorite app for too long a period of time.
> Just forgetting to reboot your machine every couple of days
> will cause it to crash. And your paying for this insult
> to your intelligence.. That is a shame.
> #3. If your a developer for Windows, you end up having to join
> the Microsoft Slave trade. You have to certify and then
> re-certify for your certificate every time Windows comes
> out with a new OS or new application. Microsoft can
> DEEM your re-certification at *THEIR* whim! And *YOU* have
> to *PAY* or loose your certification. And even if you *PAY*
> and you *PASS* you can still be denyed your certification
> as Microsoft has the final right to revoke it without reason
> or cause.
> #4. Viruses in the form of VB scripts non-the-less! Isn't it
> amazing that Microsoft Windows has been sucessfully attacked
> by over 100 different types of VB script viruses sent in thru
> E-mails and *YET TODAY* Microsoft Corp has yet to admit a fix
> needs to be installed to help prevent the damage. They haven't
> even admitted it's a problem! How incredible. And your the
> stupid shit who's forking out the bucks for *THEIR* system...
> #5. .NET --- .NET means that every peice of software you install
> on your machine from here on out will be reported and enabled
> via Microsoft HQ. They will know everything you know on your
> machine with Windows XP and beyond. I don't know a soul in
> North America who hasn't stolen Microsoft Applications at
> one time or another. Some people have many stolen Microsoft
> Applications they borrowed from a freind, school pals, rich
> business millionaires who are too cheap to pay for licenses...
> All these kind people will end up getting a dick rammed up
> their butts so hard it will just make their heads pop off.
> What an incredible assfucking/jail time scenerio they are
> all headed for. This is worse than cop killer rap.
> #6. Your OS is totally insecure. If communist Chineese can
> steal all the source code from Microsoft HQ in Redmond,
> right under their fucking noses, then why on earth do
> you think your checkbook is safe? I mean, they stole
> code from Microsoft for 4-6 weeks and were never discovered.
> This is because Microsoft Windows Security is so lame, hacking
> it is like stealing candy from a baby. I hear people boast
> about how secure Windows products are every day. I'd like
> to say that they are all dumbasses and don't know their asshole
> from a hole in the ground.
> Explain Why Redmond got ripped off for over a month and nobody
> heard a single alarm bell go off? Microsoft HQ in Redmond...
> Why.... Do you think your better then they are? If you are
> why aren't you writing a fucking OS?
>
>
> Linux is the exact opposite. It's GPL'd so you can copy those CD's on every
> machine you have including work without fear of being thrown in some prison
> and owning somebody a 1/4 million dollars in fines. It's uptimes have
> been measured in years not days. When an application dies in Linux the OS
> doesn't crash, just the application. Linux will run on hardware sucessfully
> and for long durations where Windows 2000 can't even get installed. Linux
> is an extremely secure OS with patches for known security problems released
> in timely fashions, ususally well within 2 weeks of being reported.
>
> You do not have to pay dues or be licensed to write code for Linux.
> No one can steal Linux as it's the property of the world so it's less of
> a target to attackers.
>
> And you are a total fool for continuing to use Windows.
> Pull your head out of your butt today and use Linux.
>
> Because it's stupid to use Windows ---- ANYWHERE ------
>
>
Charlie,
This really would be a good piece of advocacy if you had not used all the foul
language. Clean it up and repost it. Include more facts. The best advocacy is
a smart advocacy not an obscene one.
--
Jim Broughton
(The AmigaOS now there was an OS!)
If Sense were common everyone would have it!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi)
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Information wants to be free, Revisited
Date: 21 Feb 2001 07:08:31 GMT
On Wed, 21 Feb 2001 00:11:06 -0500, Aaron Kulkis wrote:
>> There are lots of issues here. I don't have any problems with people keeping
>> guns in their home, though I have doubts about allowing sniper weapons or
>
>Define "sniper weapon" without making deer-hunting rifles illegal.
The deer hunters can go f*** themselves for all I care. The last thing we
need is a bunch of savages who kill for pleasure carrying around military
grade weapons.
>> automatic weapons. I don't think convenience is an acceptable excuse for
>> making compromises on background checks. I also think there are some real
>
>true. Except that criminals who fail background checks rarely
>go through legal channels anyway....and smuggled guns are usually
>CHEAPER than legal guns.
If that's the problem, maybe a crackdown on smuggling is what's needed.
I;'ve consistently maintained that laws need to be backed up with
enforcement -- any plan to enact criminal law needs to be backed up
with an enforement plan to be useful.
>When Isreal started encouraging civilians to not only purchase,
>but to openly carry military-grade rifles, PLO terrorist attacks
>dropped off by over 90%.
Doesn't imply a causal relationship, and it's hardly a similar
situation.
--
Donovan Rebbechi * http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/ *
elflord at panix dot com
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Benjamin Stocker)
Subject: Re: Who said NT was stable !
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 07:50:35 GMT
On Wed, 21 Feb 2001 00:20:37 -0000, Andy Walker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Had an interesting problem yesterday, I tried to load an Excel spreadsheet
>from a floppy which appeared to be corrupt. Every time I tried to load it,
>the entire machine dumped out !
>Would you take this seriously as an operating system in a critical
>enviroment when it can't even cope with a dodgy floppy disk (and no, there
>was no virus on it).
>This isn't the first time this has happened and I doubt it will be the last
>but if they can't even correct bugs like this I'm not surprised most
>internet servers use Linux!
I worked with Windows NT Server and Workstation for more than 2 years.
I had many troubles and severe problems: The systems were slow, emails
disappeared in exchange, needed to reboot the webserver all the time, etc.
I wrote a article about my experiences with NT4 (in german):
http://mail.media-plus.ch/bstocker/nt4.html
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donald R. McGregor)
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Information wants to be free, Revisited
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 07:49:47 -0000
Note followups.
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Donovan Rebbechi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> guns in their home, though I have doubts about allowing sniper weapons or
>>
>>Define "sniper weapon" without making deer-hunting rifles illegal.
>
>The deer hunters can go f*** themselves for all I care. The last thing we
>need is a bunch of savages who kill for pleasure carrying around military
>grade weapons.
Much more effective to keep the deer population in check with
SUVs traveling at 60 mph. "Military grade weapons?" They're
regular old bolt guns, not any different from rifles that have
been around since the turn of the century or before.
>If that's the problem, maybe a crackdown on smuggling is what's needed.
They'd smuggle them in the bales of pot and bags of coke.
>>When Isreal started encouraging civilians to not only purchase,
>>but to openly carry military-grade rifles, PLO terrorist attacks
>>dropped off by over 90%.
>
>Doesn't imply a causal relationship, and it's hardly a similar
>situation.
I think the odds are excellent that the relationship is
causal. You think terrorists stopped shooting is just
coincidental?
--
Don McGregor | "The cemetery is filled with indispensable men."
[EMAIL PROTECTED]| --DeGaulle
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Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Whistler/.NET will Help Linux
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ed Allen)
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 08:01:01 GMT
In article <96v4oh$mb4$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Bloody Viking <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>: While NCSA's Green thinks individual interest in OSCAR may be limited
>: at the moment, she points to her organization's development in 1993 of
>: Mosaic, an early Web browser that introduced the Internet to a general
>: audience. OSCAR could do the same for supercomputing.
>
>Home supercomputers? Cool! One could be made cheaply enough, with some
>creativity with the enclosure, sort of like my description of a computer in
>the "Portable computering on the cheap" thread. A two-mainboard setup would be
>the easiest for the supercomputing newbie of course. You get duplicate
>motherboards, the fastest you can afford, two duplicate CPUs, also good fast
>ones, and LOTS of memory, two fast network cards and two hard drives.
>Assemble.
>
Intel has already said that faster single CPU chips eventually lead
to them running hotter than a nuclear reactor so they are beginning
to pursue multiple threads built into the chip itself.
It looks to the OS as if it were SMP but there is only a single,
shared, cache so it runs faster than two CPU chips which are
externally linked.
Their first will be only a dual but both Intel and IBM have stated
intent to put 16 in each chip.
That is a cluster all by itself.
You might want to read a bit about it:
http://aceshardware.com/Spades/search.php?search_string=SMT
>For the OS, you can presently use Linux Extreme or if you have to cobble the
>money together anyways, wait for OSCAR. While the two-motherboard setup
>wouldn't hardly be a supercomputer by modern standards, it would make a nice
>toy "supercomputer". If you are affluent and handy enough for the enclosure,
>you could build yourself a cost-effective but pretty capable computer system.
>
You can download the OSCAR code for x86 today. The full up one she
mentions will support Alpha and SPARC as well all on the single CD.
--
How much do we need to pay you to screw Netscape?
- BILL GATES, to AOL in a 1996 meeting
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