Linux-Advocacy Digest #438, Volume #32           Sat, 24 Feb 01 00:13:03 EST

Contents:
  Re: Are todays computers 1000 times better than the original PCs? ("Joseph T. Adams")
  Re: Linux Threat: non-existant (Bob Hauck)
  Re: SSH vulnerabilities - still waiting [ was Interesting article ] (Bob Hauck)
  Re: New Microsoft Ad :-) (Charlie Ebert)
  Something Seemingly Simple. (Bloody Viking)
  LWN summarises Microsoft anti-source stance and has a new column ("Adam Warner")
  Re: Something Seemingly Simple. (Richard Heathfield)
  Re: Something Seemingly Simple. (mlw)
  Re: New Microsoft Ad :-) ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  Re: How Microsoft Crushes the Hearts of Trolls. (Roy.Culley)
  Re: How Microsoft Crushes the Hearts of Trolls. ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  Re: NT vs *nix performance ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  Re: Something Seemingly Simple. (Dan Pop)
  Re: NT vs *nix performance ("Jan Johanson")
  Re: Are todays computers 1000 times better than the original PCs? (Brent R)
  Re: Amusing Aaron Kulkis Anagrams (Aaron Kulkis)
  Re: State of linux distros (Aaron Kulkis)

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From: "Joseph T. Adams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Are todays computers 1000 times better than the original PCs?
Date: 24 Feb 2001 02:34:35 GMT

mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: I just noticed I have 1000 times more ram than my first PC/XT, it is a dual
: processor 600 MHZ system which is a an aggregate 250 times faster. My first
: hard disk was 20Meg, I have an aggregate 2300 times more disk space.

: It has been an amazing 16 years of computing. 


It has indeed.

In fact you're probably understating the improvement in CPU speeds,
since today's CPUs execute far more instructions per clock cycle than
did those of the 80s.


Joe

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Hauck)
Subject: Re: Linux Threat: non-existant
Reply-To: bobh = haucks dot org
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 02:43:41 GMT

On Sat, 24 Feb 2001 11:06:27 +1100, Shane Phelps <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Bob Hauck wrote:

>> How do we get him [Chad] nominated for KOTM?

> I thought he did a pretty good job of self-nomination with his Black
> Knight impersonation on c.s.s :-)

Just a flesh wound!  Come back and fight like a man!

-- 
 -| Bob Hauck
 -| To Whom You Are Speaking
 -| http://www.haucks.org/

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Hauck)
Subject: Re: SSH vulnerabilities - still waiting [ was Interesting article ]
Reply-To: bobh = haucks dot org
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 02:43:42 GMT

On Fri, 23 Feb 2001 21:57:30 GMT, The Ghost In The Machine
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>I'm pretty sure one can even run a window manager "over the wire" (I
>wouldn't want to, because my bandwidth sucks) and get reasonably
>good results.

I once ran a Motif GUI builder on one box, the window manager on
another, and displayed it all on a third (I won't go into why I did
this, but I had reasons).  Everything worked fine over 10 Mbit Ethernet.

-- 
 -| Bob Hauck
 -| To Whom You Are Speaking
 -| http://www.haucks.org/

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charlie Ebert)
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: New Microsoft Ad :-)
Reply-To: Charlie Ebert:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 03:00:24 GMT

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Giuliano Colla wrote:
>nuxx wrote:
>> 
>> "J Sloan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> > nuxx wrote:
>> >
>> > > No luck about it.  If you apply datacentre type methodologies in design
>> and
>> > > change control as you would with any Unix server, NT is very reliable.
>> Some
>> > > Oracle processes tend to leak memory which would eventually cause a
>> problem
>> > > but they are killed and re-started for cold backup purposes on my
>> systems,
>> > > so the OS stays up all the time.  Recent hardware used is stock Intel
>> server
>> > > boards with Adaptec hardware RAID.  No BSODs, no crashes, nothing
>> special.
>> >
>> > Sorry, we simply have not found this to be the case.
>> >
>> It's probably best you leave it to people that know what they are doing.
>> 
>
>It's always been a source of wonder for me how Windows is so simple and
>user friendly when they try to sell it to you, and requires experts in
>order not to crash, once you have it.
>On the contrary Unix, Linux, AIX etc., are represented as very difficult
>and abstruse, but users who can keep a Linux box running for one year
>without problems are apparently not competent enough to keep a Windows
>box running for a couple of days.
>There's something in this logic which I fail to grasp.
>Could you please clarify it for me?


What is even more interesting is how experts from Microsoft
can't even manage to come up with a W2k server combination 
which adequately replaces FreeBSD at HotMail.

Or how about the time they got all their source code stolen
from Microsoft Corporate HQ.  For 1.5 months bandits continued
to download source code for the famed Windows XP formerly code
named Whistler, right under their noses and no alarms or bells
went off.

It's well known that in order to get any kind of decent uptime
with Window you end up putting your NT server on some kind
of gaudy, expensive proprietary hardware made by Silicon Racs
or HP, or IBM to achieve what amounts to a weeks uptime on NT.

Linux on the other hand seems to thrive on any kind of hardware.
Some of the crudiest vanilla boxes I know have managed to go
for years with 2.0X kernels running mailservers and web servers.

I had a 386-25SX which worked with me for the U.S. Navy for
5 years using packet radio on a Tnos interface before it became
so slow it was unusable.  I would get uptimes of 9 months to 
a little over a year with this box.  If the power company would
have just kept the power on it would have gone for over 5 straight
years without failure.  Still had the original 80mb hard drive
with 12 megs of ram.  


-- 
Charlie

   **DEBIAN**                **GNU**
  / /     __  __  __  __  __ __  __
 / /__   / / /  \/ / / /_/ / \ \/ /
/_____/ /_/ /_/\__/ /_____/  /_/\_\
      http://www.debian.org                               


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bloody Viking)
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.c
Subject: Something Seemingly Simple.
Date: 24 Feb 2001 03:37:55 GMT


I just tried a simple trig thing on my Linux box but the gcc compiler gave me 
some error, despite having math.h added as the libraries. More bizarre, my 
UNIX ISP had exactly the same problem with the same seemingly simple proggie. 

I'm fully sure it's a stupid=shit problem on my part. Here's the code:

---begin---
@include <stdio.h>
@include <math.h>
float angle, hypoteneuse, output;
main()
{
printf("input the angle");
scanf("%f", &angle);
printf("input the hypoteneuse");
scanf("%f", &hypoteneuse);
output = cos(angle);
printf("%f\n", output);
}
---end code---

When I try to compile it, the gcc compiler gives out wierd errors, not, say 
syntax errors or the like. What's wrong? Is it my not making the cos thing 
right or what? Trig has some significant uses is real life, not just for a 
case of a school going ape-shit over math. With trig use, it is possible with 
needed equipment to reverse engineer glasses prescriptions, ballistics, etc. 

For clues, here are the wierd errors: 
---begin---
/tmp/cca262191.o: In function 'main':
/tmp/cca252191.o(.text+0x51): undefined reference to 'cos'
---end error---

I'm runnin' Slackware 3.0 with the 2.0.0 kernel, which is awful ancient by 
now. I have a Slackware 7.2 album ready to use, so if I have to upgeade I 
can.  I would like to see a solution in this case so I can carry it onto the 
upgrade. Trig has become "strategic" and I want my computer to do it. 

I'm fully sure that it is misconfigured as of now and my discovery awaited 
my need for trig use. 

--
FOOD FOR THOUGHT: 100 calories are used up in the course of a mile run.
The USDA guidelines for dietary fibre is equal to one ounce of sawdust.
The liver makes the vast majority of the cholesterol in your bloodstream.

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From: "Adam Warner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: LWN summarises Microsoft anti-source stance and has a new column
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 03:44:09 GMT

http://lwn.net

And as an indication of where Linux is heading (Desktop wise), Linux Weekly
News now has started a weekly "On the Desktop" column:

http://www.lwn.net/2001/0222/desktop.php3

This will make a welcome addition to LWN's superb Linux coverage.

Regards,
Adam

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Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 03:43:36 +0000
From: Richard Heathfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.c
Subject: Re: Something Seemingly Simple.

Bloody Viking wrote:
> 
> I just tried a simple trig thing on my Linux box but the gcc compiler gave me
> some error, despite having math.h added as the libraries. More bizarre, my
> UNIX ISP had exactly the same problem with the same seemingly simple proggie.

Your question is an FAQ - there's a good answer to be found if you look
for it. See my sig for the URL.

-- 
Richard Heathfield
"Usenet is a strange place." - Dennis M Ritchie, 29 July 1999.
C FAQ: http://www.eskimo.com/~scs/C-faq/top.html
K&R answers, C books, etc: http://users.powernet.co.uk/eton

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From: mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.c
Subject: Re: Something Seemingly Simple.
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 22:58:24 -0500

First of all, includes need '#' symbols not '@'.

Then type 'cc -o prog prog.c -lm'


Bloody Viking wrote:
> 
> I just tried a simple trig thing on my Linux box but the gcc compiler gave me
> some error, despite having math.h added as the libraries. More bizarre, my
> UNIX ISP had exactly the same problem with the same seemingly simple proggie.
> 
> I'm fully sure it's a stupid=shit problem on my part. Here's the code:
> 
> ---begin---
> @include <stdio.h>
> @include <math.h>
> float angle, hypoteneuse, output;
> main()
> {
> printf("input the angle");
> scanf("%f", &angle);
> printf("input the hypoteneuse");
> scanf("%f", &hypoteneuse);
> output = cos(angle);
> printf("%f\n", output);
> }
> ---end code---
> 
> When I try to compile it, the gcc compiler gives out wierd errors, not, say
> syntax errors or the like. What's wrong? Is it my not making the cos thing
> right or what? Trig has some significant uses is real life, not just for a
> case of a school going ape-shit over math. With trig use, it is possible with
> needed equipment to reverse engineer glasses prescriptions, ballistics, etc.
> 
> For clues, here are the wierd errors:
> ---begin---
> /tmp/cca262191.o: In function 'main':
> /tmp/cca252191.o(.text+0x51): undefined reference to 'cos'
> ---end error---
> 
> I'm runnin' Slackware 3.0 with the 2.0.0 kernel, which is awful ancient by
> now. I have a Slackware 7.2 album ready to use, so if I have to upgeade I
> can.  I would like to see a solution in this case so I can carry it onto the
> upgrade. Trig has become "strategic" and I want my computer to do it.
> 
> I'm fully sure that it is misconfigured as of now and my discovery awaited
> my need for trig use.
> 
> --
> FOOD FOR THOUGHT: 100 calories are used up in the course of a mile run.
> The USDA guidelines for dietary fibre is equal to one ounce of sawdust.
> The liver makes the vast majority of the cholesterol in your bloodstream.

-- 
The majority of the stupid is invincible and guaranteed for all time. 
The terror of their tyranny, however, is alleviated by their lack of 
consistency.
                -- Albert Einstein
========================
http://www.mohawksoft.com

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: New Microsoft Ad :-)
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 04:31:31 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
        [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine) wrote:
>
> But OK, sounds like someone did a little work already.
> (However, I was under the impression that the part(s) of Windows
> ported to SPARC sat on top of Solaris.)

Well they port IE to Solaris. It was so slow and used a huge amount of
memory. It only ran on one specific version of Solaris. How many
applications for applications for Solaris are OS specific? Not many
thats for sure. Did I mention that IE for Solaris was soooo sloooow? :-)
Of course their web page about the port was a good laugh.

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Roy.Culley)
Crossposted-To: 
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: How Microsoft Crushes the Hearts of Trolls.
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 04:38:34 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
        [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine) wrote:
>
> Heh...no, the language Python.  Mind you, I've not used it -- one of these
> days I'll have to get around to tinkering with it.  I suspect it's
> a lot smarter than Tcl, and more well-known than Guile.
> 
> (Tcl is so dumb that one has to write statements correctly.  The
> if statement, for example, has to be written
> 
>     if {expression} {
> 
> instead of
> 
>     if {expression}
>     {
> 
> Not sure if one should call this a bug or a feature.)

tcl is the bastard language from hell as far as statement terminator is
concerned. Why he chose end of line I will never know. Python suffers
from the same abonimation except that if it knows a statement isn't
complete it will ignore it. The good thing about tcl is tk and thankfully
there are nice tk modules for perl and python.

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: How Microsoft Crushes the Hearts of Trolls.
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 04:49:35 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
        "Donal K. Fellows" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> Steve Mading <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Gary Hallock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>: Actually, this works for EBCDIC also since the digits are contiguous -
>>>: 0xf0 - 0xf9.   Still, I wouldn't recommend this method since it does make
>>>: assumptions on the representation of characters.
>>>
>>> You would prefer an if/else ladder checking each and every character
>>> one at a time?  Ick.
>> 
>> Why use if/else? A table lookup is the obvious way to do it. I once took
>> over some sw that had to translate from ita2 to ita5. The programmer had
>> used if/elsif/... to do it! I presume he was paid by lines of code. :-)
> 
> In general, you need to be very careful with table-based translation
> mechanisms to make sure that you can't access anywhere else than the
> table in the process.  Sometimes (such as when working with EBCDIC or
> ASCII) this isn't a problem as you only need at most 256 entries[*],
> but more generally speaking it is a real recipe for trouble.
> 
> I've seen too much broken software...  :^(

I'm sure we both have. Isn't this what OOP supposedly helps with? You
create a class which checks that you are within bounds. Being a
non-OOP guy it is not difficult to check this even at the assembler
level. All I'm trying to say is that if you use good programming
techniques it doesn't matter what language you use. I think all
programmers should learn assembler programming. You learn so much of
how your sw interacts directly with the hardware and how important it
is to check variable bounds. Perhaps they should start out entering
programs via the console switches? It's a shame that modern computers
don't have all these switches and led's anymore. :-)

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: 
alt.destroy.microsoft,alt.linux.sux,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: NT vs *nix performance
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 04:55:48 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
        [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charlie Ebert) wrote:

<total snip>

Christ Charlie, I like your posts but please learn to snip.

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dan Pop)
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.c
Subject: Re: Something Seemingly Simple.
Date: 24 Feb 2001 03:57:27 GMT

In <977aaj$hfp$[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bloody Viking) writes:


>I just tried a simple trig thing on my Linux box but the gcc compiler gave me 
>some error, despite having math.h added as the libraries. More bizarre, my 
>UNIX ISP had exactly the same problem with the same seemingly simple proggie. 
>
>I'm fully sure it's a stupid=shit problem on my part. Here's the code:

It is, indeed: you have posted to comp.lang.c without reading its FAQ
first!

Dan
--
Dan Pop
CERN, IT Division
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Mail:  CERN - IT, Bat. 31 1-014, CH-1211 Geneve 23, Switzerland

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From: "Jan Johanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: 
alt.destroy.microsoft,alt.linux.sux,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: NT vs *nix performance
Date: 23 Feb 2001 22:14:02 -0600


"Charlie Ebert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
<snip good stuff>
>
> What I find hillarious about this is the author appearently
> has never heard of HOT MAIL and how Microsoft has been trying
> for the last decade to replace the FreeBSD servers which RUN
> HOTMAIL with Windows counterparts.

given that hotmail isn't a decade old we find our very first problem with
this lie.
given that the hotmail appliation itself runs on solaris identifies another
problem
given the fact that there isn't a single BSD box serving web content for
hotmail - that they've all been replaced by window 2000 boxes puts the nail
in the coffin.

>
> They spent several million dollars in those attempts also.
> The last attempt was with Windows 2000.

and they succeeded on their only attempt, MS has never tried to convert
hotmail before it did with W2K. Claims otherwise are lies.

>
> And they all failed.  They can't keep the system up for
> more than 3-4 days.  And rebooting thousands of boxes
> is completely crazy.

Indeed, which is one of the reasons they dropped BSD

>
> And at the rate Linux is obiously whooping up on MS asses
> at the marketplace, anybody who's waiting for affordable,
> workable scalability thru Microsoft will have to wait
> for Christ to return to get it.

Pray for your sins...




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From: Brent R <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Are todays computers 1000 times better than the original PCs?
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 04:20:02 GMT

Peter Hayes wrote:
> 
> On Fri, 23 Feb 2001 01:15:55 +0000, "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "mlw"
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> > > It has been an amazing 16 years of computing.
> >
> > I'll agree. Computers in another 16 years will be frightening. 30 GHZ
> > processors are in the works, but either they use a very, very unreliable
> > fabrication technique or they use an unreliable fabrication technique and
> > need supercooling.
> 
> 16 years time?
> 
> The office computer will still have keyboard and mouse, but the actual pc
> will be built into the light emitting polymer (LEP) display. All linked to
> a central server via gigaherz rf or fibre optic cable links. Voice
> operation isn't a good idea in an office environment, but handwriting
> recognition will be well nigh perfect.
> 
> The home pc will be a pad, like those in "Star Trek", linked via gigahertz
> rf circuits to a central machine. Hard drives no longer exists, just
> gigabytes of flash memory. Gigahertz rf links to LEP displays ensure full
> portability without trailing wires.  Internet access will be via gigahertz
> rf links or fibre cable to local nodes, replacing current ADSL, modem or
> cable circuits. Sufficient trans-continental fibre circuits will exist so
> you can tap a document icon on a server halfway round the world and it will
> open instantly on your pad-computer while you sit in the garden soaking up
> the sun (some things won't change).
> 
> Pads will be collapsable, take anywhere devices, permanently connected to
> your central machine via microwave circuits in the same way that your
> mobile phone works at present.
> 
> Speech recognition will be universal, as will be pen input. IR linked
> keyboards will be available for those who prefer or need to type. The mouse
> will be an optional extra, stylus or touch-screen input will be more
> popular.
> 
> Microsoft will be a footnote in history. Operating systems will be built
> into the processor, which will be much more than just a CPU. It will
> contain graphics, sound and network interfaces plus the ancillary ports
> like speech and pen input. Since these hardware devices are tightly
> specified, the OS will be streamlined to run these devices at peak
> efficiency, rather than having to cater for a wide variety of architectures
> and peripherals as at present. With open source OSs like Linux,
> manufacturers can create the best environment for their hardware designs.
> This will produce far more stable systems. Embedded OSs are inherently very
> stable and robust.
> 
> The only addition to the processor core will be flash memory, gigabytes of
> ram and eeprom, storing data and applications. The .NET idea survives only
> in the server - workstation architecture of the office and domestic pc.
> Archiving will be by mini-cd sized disks containing multi (16 or 32) layer
> rewriteable media, storing terabytes per disk. Alternatively, a near
> instant dump of encrypted data via the gigabyte internet fibre link will be
> possible.
> 
> With relatively few components, the computer of 2017 will cost the same as
> a CPU at today's prices. Power consumption will be dramatically lower than
> at present, allowing "always-on" operation. The gigahertz rf link will
> consume the most power, but it will operate in burst mode, being on only
> when needed.
> 
> Game playing will, of course, be full 3D headset based, or perhaps
> holographic video will have been developed by 2017. Multi-way gaming via
> the gigabit/sec internet link will be universal. Some more lurid
> developments in this area are perhaps best left to the imagination...
> 
> The computer will be keyed to its owner, by DNA testing or some other
> unique identity tests, making it unuseable by anyone else. Security can be
> burnt into the machine through irreversible links, like the old fusible
> link proms, at the time of purchase. Since this becomes a one person
> machine it should be possible to virtually eliminate viruses and trojan
> attacks.
> 
> Multi processor clusters containing millions of systems will be possible.
> This will allow the development of AI systems having the intellegence of a
> cat or dog. There'll still be a long way from the intellegence of a
> chimpanzee or a human.
> 
> As to whether all this computing power will improve the human condition is
> debateable.
> 
> Peter
> --
> 
> Peter
> 
> 55�25"N  4�44'W

Embedded OS's???? Gawd that sounds like a Bill Gates wet dream. Imagine
the day when Microsoft forces computer manufacturers to sell computers
with Windows hard wired.
-- 

Happy Trails

-Brent
=============================
http://rotten168.home.att.net
=============================
ICQ# 51265871

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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Amusing Aaron Kulkis Anagrams
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 23:21:47 -0500



Brent R wrote:
> 
> meow wrote:
> >
> > I've been coming up with some anagrams of Aaron Kulkis name and i
> > thought id share them with you
> >
> > Aaron Kulis = Miserable piece of shit
> > Aaron Kulis = Toss Pot
> > Aaron Kulis = Argumentitive fuck wit
> > Aaron Kulis = Arrogant wank stain
> > Aaron Kulis = Numb nuts
> >
> > thats all i have so far
> > I think there surely must be some more
> > Anyone got any others?
> >
> > Meow
> 
> OK where's the joke? Those obviously aren't anagrams. Or is this thing 1
> mile above my head?
> 
> I suspect that 'meow' is no older than 14 years old, and I'm totally
> serious about that.

14 maybe...

but still in diapers.


> --
> 
> Happy Trails
> 
> -Brent
> =============================
> http://rotten168.home.att.net
> =============================
> ICQ# 51265871

-- 
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642

L: "meow" is yet another anonymous coward who does nothing
   but write stupid nonsense about his intellectual superiors.


K: Truth in advertising:
        Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
        Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
        Special Interest Sierra Club,
        Anarchist Members of the ACLU
        Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
        The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
        Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,


J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
   The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
   also known as old hags who've hit the wall....

I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
   challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
   between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
   Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole

H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
    premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
    you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
    you are lazy, stupid people"

G:  Knackos...you're a retard.


F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
   adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.

E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
   her behavior improves.

D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
   ...despite (C) above.
 
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.

B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
   method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
   direction that she doesn't like.

A:  The wise man is mocked by fools.

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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: State of linux distros
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 23:22:45 -0500



Edward Rosten wrote:
> 
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Aaron Kulkis"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > Edward Rosten wrote:
> >>
> >> In article <nOal6.611$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Reefer"
> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >> >> Yep. I'll just trash my HDDs and install Windows 2000 on my P133.
> >> >> Oh, yeah and shell out for it as well :-)
> >> >
> >> > OR u could try to uppgrade your hardware a little bit perhaps ...this
> >> > IS the year 2001 u know, 'puters are fairly cheap ;-)
> >>
> >> I have upgraded my computer. I have spent a lot of money on it
> >> recently. I simply haven't upgraded the CPU or RAM because it works
> >> fine. Why should I spend yet MORE money to upgrade bits that do easily
> >> as much as I need them to?
> >
> > And ALWAYS try adding more memory before doing a CPU upgrade.
> 
> Not if you know what your doing. If everythings going too slow, you're
> not thrashing and the mem usage isn't too high, you need a faster CPU.
> 

That's true.


> -ed
> 
> --
>                                                      | u98ejr
>                                                      | @
>              Share, and enjoy.                       | eng.ox
>                                                      | .ac.uk

-- 
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642

L: "meow" is yet another anonymous coward who does nothing
   but write stupid nonsense about his intellectual superiors.


K: Truth in advertising:
        Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
        Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
        Special Interest Sierra Club,
        Anarchist Members of the ACLU
        Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
        The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
        Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,


J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
   The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
   also known as old hags who've hit the wall....

I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
   challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
   between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
   Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole

H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
    premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
    you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
    you are lazy, stupid people"

G:  Knackos...you're a retard.


F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
   adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.

E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
   her behavior improves.

D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
   ...despite (C) above.
 
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.

B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
   method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
   direction that she doesn't like.

A:  The wise man is mocked by fools.

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