Linux-Advocacy Digest #455, Volume #32 Sat, 24 Feb 01 20:13:05 EST
Contents:
Re: Does anyone know how much computer power we have/ (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: Does anyone know how much computer power we have/ (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: Could Linux be used in this factory environment ? ("Edward Rosten")
Re: Kulis revelation! (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: Kulis revelation! (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: [OT] .sig (was: Something Seemingly Simple.) (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: Something Seemingly Simple. (Aaron Kulkis)
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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Does anyone know how much computer power we have/
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 19:58:49 -0500
Edward Rosten wrote:
>
> In article <978e26$v59$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
> > "Mike" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >>What's next? More transistors. More power. More speed. At this year's
> >>ISSCC, Patrick Gelsinger predicted that the processor of 2010 will
> >>contain 1B transistors, run at 20-30GHz, and perform over 1T operations
> >>per second (it will also consume in excess of 10kW of power).
> >
> > That last part makes me doubt his predictions. I simply cannot see much
> > of a market for processors that require industrial power to be connected
> > to the back of the machine.... At least not a mass-market.
>
> I can. Starting from the home computers of the early 80's, the amount of
> power required has steadily increased. Bear in mind, thet the faster you
> want to switch a silicon junctio, the more power you need to switch it.
>
Particularly for CMOS.
> -Ed
>
> --
> | u98ejr
> | @
> Share, and enjoy. | eng.ox
> | .ac.uk
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
L: "meow" is yet another anonymous coward who does nothing
but write stupid nonsense about his intellectual superiors.
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Does anyone know how much computer power we have/
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 19:59:58 -0500
Peter Hayes wrote:
>
> On Sat, 24 Feb 2001 15:48:43 +0000, "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > In article <978e26$v59$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > wrote:
> >
> > > "Mike" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > >>What's next? More transistors. More power. More speed. At this year's
> > >>ISSCC, Patrick Gelsinger predicted that the processor of 2010 will
> > >>contain 1B transistors, run at 20-30GHz, and perform over 1T operations
> > >>per second (it will also consume in excess of 10kW of power).
> > >
> > > That last part makes me doubt his predictions. I simply cannot see much
> > > of a market for processors that require industrial power to be connected
> > > to the back of the machine.... At least not a mass-market.
> >
> >
> > I can. Starting from the home computers of the early 80's, the amount of
> > power required has steadily increased. Bear in mind, thet the faster you
> > want to switch a silicon junctio, the more power you need to switch it.
>
> Conversly, the smaller the fab process size the lower the voltage required
> to run the processor and the lower the current consumption. The power
Voltage and Current are independant.
Power consumption is Voltage X Current.
> consumption of a 486dx33 made using today's fabrication techniques would be
> miniscule, maybe just a few milliwatts. The 'dx33 was about the last x86
> series processor that didn't need cooling.
>
> But the trend towards smaller process size hasn't balanced the rise in
> clock speed, so today's chips need forced air cooling, and, for the more
> adventurous, liquid cooling.
>
> But I'd be surprised if a 30GHz, 1,000 million transistor CPU would consume
> 10KW, maybe at .18 micron process, but trends suggest it'd be built using
> 0.04 microns, or something like that. Did Patrick Gelsinger take that into
> account?
>
> --
>
> Peter
>
> 55�25"N 4�44'W
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
L: "meow" is yet another anonymous coward who does nothing
but write stupid nonsense about his intellectual superiors.
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: Could Linux be used in this factory environment ?
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 01:00:27 +0000
> Could Linux be used in this factory environment ?
>
> What I'm trying to do, is design a factory inventory system. To keep
> cost down I want to use Linux. The model I'm using, is a furniture
> factory. I want to design a system that will allow the factory to keep
> track of their "work in progress" and finished goods. I'm guessing that
> this will be a little more complicated than your average inventory
> system?
>
> Of course the workers would have to access the system to enter data,
> etc, so the user interfaces can't be too complicated (GUI?).
Don't use a GUI. Mice need more space to operate and its one more thing
to go wrong. I don't mean use a CLI, use a text based visual interface.
Seriously, all the places such as shops, leisure centres and warehouses
I've seen use these systems. Generally operated by the arrow keys.
> HARDWARE
>
> This is an easy (well easier) one for me, first I would make sure the
> hardware (I'm buying) is linux compatible. I would go out and buy B/W
> 9" monitors, those cool small cases (with the 810e chipset, if the
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Even more reason to use 80x25 text mode.
-ed
--
| u98ejr
| @
Share, and enjoy. | eng.ox
| .ac.uk
------------------------------
From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Kulis revelation!
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 20:01:33 -0500
Tim Hanson wrote:
>
> mmnnoo wrote:
> >
> > The only way Kulkis' reputation will suffer from your babbling is if we
> > find out that he and you are one and the same.
>
> I'm sure that having a bad reputation on that authoritative standard of
> spontaneous Pulitzer quality journalism, c.o.l.a., would ruin his day.
>
Quaking in my boot already.
> --
> If entropy is increasing, where is it coming from?
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
L: "meow" is yet another anonymous coward who does nothing
but write stupid nonsense about his intellectual superiors.
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Kulis revelation!
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 20:02:10 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> woof wrote:
> >
> > I was talking to kulkis earlier and he revealed some shocking things..
> >
> > Me: Oi Kulkis No! Shut it
> > Kulkis: Im sorry, i cant help myself, im just an argumentitive bastard
> > with no friends, i smell too
> > Me: I think you need help
> > Kulkis: Well im currently seeking help for being a cross dressing
> > shoplifter
>
> You brain-dead, small-minded fuckwit
>
> <snip>
>
> --
> http://www.guild.bham.ac.uk/chess-club
That was pretty funny.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
L: "meow" is yet another anonymous coward who does nothing
but write stupid nonsense about his intellectual superiors.
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.c
Subject: Re: [OT] .sig (was: Something Seemingly Simple.)
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 20:06:41 -0500
-hs- wrote:
>
> Aaron Kulkis a �crit dans le message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>
> >--
> >Aaron R. Kulkis
> >Unix Systems Engineer
> >DNRC Minister of all I survey
> >ICQ # 3056642
> >
> >L: "meow" is yet another anonymous coward who does nothing
> > but write stupid nonsense about his intellectual superiors.
> >
> >
> >K: Truth in advertising:
> > Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
> > Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
> > Special Interest Sierra Club,
> > Anarchist Members of the ACLU
> > Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
> > The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
> > Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
> >
> >
> >J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
> > The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
> > also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
> >
> >I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
> > challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
> > between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
> > Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
> >
> >H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
> > premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
> > you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
> > you are lazy, stupid people"
> >
> >G: Knackos...you're a retard.
> >
> >
> >F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
> > adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
> >
> >E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
> > her behavior improves.
> >
> >D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
> > ...despite (C) above.
> >
> >C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
> >
> >B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
> > method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
> > direction that she doesn't like.
> >
> >A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
>
> Are you awared that the recommend maximum length for a .sig is 4 lines?
>
Are you aware that this suggestion was formulated during the days
before fiber-optics, when MFM and RLL were not even invented yet,
and the ARPA-NET backbone had a 56k bandwidth and 20 megabyte disks
were considered huge...
> --
> -hs- Tabs out, spaces in.
> CLC-FAQ: http://www.eskimo.com/~scs/C-faq/top.html
> ISO-C Library: http://www.dinkum.com/htm_cl
> FAQ de FCLC : http://www.isty-info.uvsq.fr/~rumeau/fclc
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
L: "meow" is yet another anonymous coward who does nothing
but write stupid nonsense about his intellectual superiors.
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.c
Subject: Re: Something Seemingly Simple.
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 20:09:30 -0500
Bloody Viking wrote:
>
> Edward Rosten ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>
> : Those are perfectly normal errors: you have no cos function. You need to
> : link against the maths library as well as #including the header.
>
> : gcc -lm ...
>
> The "0lm" trick sure did it. Just tested it on another virtual console.
> Thanks! Fun easier quesation. Why isn't it in degrees as is the standard?
>
Becuase Pi radians = 1 complete circle.
radians are a "unitless" type of unit, and therefore, the standard.
> --
> FOOD FOR THOUGHT: 100 calories are used up in the course of a mile run.
> The USDA guidelines for dietary fibre is equal to one ounce of sawdust.
> The liver makes the vast majority of the cholesterol in your bloodstream.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
L: "meow" is yet another anonymous coward who does nothing
but write stupid nonsense about his intellectual superiors.
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
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