Linux-Advocacy Digest #463, Volume #32 Sun, 25 Feb 01 03:13:05 EST
Contents:
Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: Does anyone know how much computer power we have/ (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: Kulkis the newbie, its official! (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: Microsoft stricks again: Why is Media Player 7 so slooow, so (Glitch)
Re: Now we know why Allchin was tweaked! (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: M$ doing it again! (Aaron Kulkis)
Is there anything like Net-Meeting on linux? (#KUNDAN KUMAR#)
Re: Information wants to be free, Revisited (Jim Richardson)
Re: Information wants to be free, Revisited (Jim Richardson)
Re: Linux web pads? (Jim Richardson)
Re: Microsoft seeks government help to stop Linux (Jim Richardson)
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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 01:17:08 -0500
Peter Hayes wrote:
>
> On Sat, 24 Feb 2001 03:20:43 -0500, Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Byron A Jeff wrote:
> >
> > > It's about disposable income Aaron. Those who have it should give. Those
> > > who don't should get help. It ain't fair in your world view. But life isn't
> > > fair. Which is exactly my point.
> >
> > The only fair tax is every able-bodied adult pays the EXACT SAME AMOUNT.
>
> But some are more able-bodied than others.
Does your grocery store change they charge for food on the basis
of how much you earn?
>
> --
>
> Peter
>
> 55�25"N 4�44'W
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
L: "meow" is yet another anonymous coward who does nothing
but write stupid nonsense about his intellectual superiors.
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Does anyone know how much computer power we have/
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 01:22:43 -0500
Edward Rosten wrote:
>
> >> I can. Starting from the home computers of the early 80's, the amount
> >> of power required has steadily increased. Bear in mind, thet the faster
> >> you want to switch a silicon junctio, the more power you need to switch
> >> it.
> >>
> >
> > Particularly for CMOS.
>
> And Bipolar. You have junction capacitance in the CMOS transistor and
> charge stored in the base to drive it in to saturation in the bipolar
> case.
No. Bipolar consumes significant amounts of current even when not switching.
The fastest technology which uses Bipolar transistors is ECL
(Emitter Coupled Logic). By STEERING a constant current between
a PNP or an NPN transistor, stray inductance effects are minimized,
which maximizes speed.
When I was at Purdue, we beta-tested a Powernode 9000 by Gould.
At the time, this was the fastest technology available.
"Switching costs" are almost zero. The downside is that EVERY
gate is "on"...either the 'true' output or the 'negated' output
is on for every gate.
(example, there are not NAND gates vs AND gates...all gates
are AND/NAND, OR/NOR, or XOR/XNOR (or conversely XAND/XNAND).
>
> -Ed
>
> --
> | u98ejr
> | @
> Share, and enjoy. | eng.ox
> | .ac.uk
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
L: "meow" is yet another anonymous coward who does nothing
but write stupid nonsense about his intellectual superiors.
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Kulkis the newbie, its official!
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 01:24:09 -0500
Adam Warner wrote:
>
> Hi Aaron,
>
> > Strange....I've been using Unix since before IRC was even invented.
> >
> > See "L" below.
>
> Have you thought of having a URL for your sig and sticking all your
> comments on a web site? Seems a good compromise to me. For example:
>
That would remove the "shame factor" against these types.
> --
> Aaron R. Kulkis
> Unix Systems Engineer
> DNRC Minister of all I survey
> ICQ # 3056642
>
> meow, billh, david casey, redc1c4, rauni, Enielle, Loren Petrich,
> Knackos, Kook hunt, Jimmy Baker, Tammy Hahn, and Jet Silverman see here:
> http://...frankly_its_lucky_I_dont_hate_you_too.html
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
L: "meow" is yet another anonymous coward who does nothing
but write stupid nonsense about his intellectual superiors.
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 01:42:16 -0500
From: Glitch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Microsoft stricks again: Why is Media Player 7 so slooow, so
[big snip]
> > Perhaps you've not yet hit the threshold of your computer's RAM yet. When
> > you do, every Windows OS I know, including Win 2000 Pro, exhibits some
> > very crappy behavior.
> >
I've found out the hard way that if a runaway process eats up your RAM
and swap space that EVERYTHING freezes. I have to end up rebooting.
That has happened 2 times. Once with Netscape 6 and it happend with
gphoto(I wanted it to open pics from a dig. camera within the main
window and it would but each pic took up about 5 megs for some
reason(they were only 500k though), X froze before all pics were opened)
> > > But let's leave it there, shall we. Clearly we won't agree. I think
> > > it's horses for courses; you seem to be saying I must buy a thoroughbred
> > > every time.
> >
> > No, he's not saying that, though it is nice that you think of Linux
> > as a thoroughbred. He simply wants a computer that has decent security,
> > functionally correct and robust memory management, a decent TCP/IP
> > implementation, at a reasonable cost. Buying Microsoft is like viewing
> > a sequence of ho-hum videos, and keeping it up because you keep thinking,
> > "This one sucked. Maybe the next one will be cool."
> >
> > Chris
------------------------------
From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Now we know why Allchin was tweaked!
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 01:57:34 -0500
Ray Chason wrote:
>
> "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >Solaris is also based on GPL software. There's more GPL'd code in Solaris
> >than there is in Windows.
>
> This ought to be verifiable, since the Solaris source is available
> under a "community source" license (which does not meet the Open
> Source Definition).
>
> You may be thinking of the BSD license; I've read that Solaris is a
> BSD derivative.
Correct.
Bill Joy, Sun's founder, was the grad student who was IN CHARGE
of the BSD project.
>
> --
> --------------===============<[ Ray Chason ]>===============--------------
> PGP public key at http://www.smart.net/~rchason/pubkey.asc
> Delenda est Windoze
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
L: "meow" is yet another anonymous coward who does nothing
but write stupid nonsense about his intellectual superiors.
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: M$ doing it again!
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 01:58:51 -0500
Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
>
> "Adam Warner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Hi Erik,
> >
> > > MS has already stated in several places, including the Whistler SDK
> > > (available online freely to anyone) that the theming API's would not be
> > > released. The reason, is that they want to ensure that all themes
> > > follow the basic windows UI guidelines.
> > >
> > > I'm sure MS will license the theme SDK to developers that agree to abide
> > > by UI guidelines and certify the themes, but that won't happen till at
> > > least the release of whistler.
> >
> > I appreciate the confirmation that Microsoft will not be releasing the
> > theming APIs.
> >
> > I was silly enough to think that Microsoft no longer practiced hiding API
> > specifications from the public and developers.
>
> All OS's have unpublished API's, including Linux. You can find all kinds of
> API's that are inside the kernel but do not appear in man pages because
> they're intended to be used internally inside the kernel itself without a
> published interface.
If that's the case, then why do MS-Office apps use them???
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
L: "meow" is yet another anonymous coward who does nothing
but write stupid nonsense about his intellectual superiors.
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: #KUNDAN KUMAR# <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Is there anything like Net-Meeting on linux?
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 14:48:20 +0800
Hi all,
I now that linux desktop is in active development and day by day things
are getting more sophisticated. There will be many applications in a
year or so.
One thing I would like to ask is if there any application like
Microsoft's Netmeeting available for linux kde/gnome? Are there any
alpha or beta version of that? Or is someone planning to do that (don't
ask me, the world will have to wait ad-infinitum). It would be great to
have the functionality of sharing applications among the desktops. With
the X-server, it must be easy to do.. can it be done to show the display
of an app to different desktops and the application be controlled from
different desktops. If it is so, then KDE/Gnome should have some simple
program to set it up for the users..
With best regards for all,
Kundan Kumar
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim Richardson)
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Information wants to be free, Revisited
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 22:29:24 -0800
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Fri, 23 Feb 2001 02:15:37 +0200,
Ayende Rahien, in the persona of <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
brought forth the following words...:
>
>"Gerry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>> > > How much bandwidth is it taking up?
>> >
>> > You tell me.
>>
>> I guess you can't recognize a rhetoric question.
>
>According to Deja's archives, 35MB +.
>And they don't count very far back, nowaday.
>
>
>
MB is not a measurement of bandwidth, you need a reference to a time period
also.
--
Jim Richardson
Anarchist, pagan and proud of it
WWW.eskimo.com/~warlock
Linux, because life's too short for a buggy OS.
------------------------------
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim Richardson)
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Information wants to be free, Revisited
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 22:51:58 -0800
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Thu, 22 Feb 2001 23:33:35 GMT,
Quantum Leaper, in the persona of <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
brought forth the following words...:
>
>"Aaron Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>>
>>
>> Nick Condon wrote:
>> >
>> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Edward Rosten) wrote in <972j0q$jm6$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> >
>> > >In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Aaron Kulkis"
>> > ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > >
>> > >>> LOL! Robin Hood was a common thief.
>> > >>
>> > >> No...that was the TAX COLLECTOR.
>> > >>
>> > >> Robin Hood merely returned to the people what was wrongfully stolen
>from
>> > >> them by Little John's tax collectors.
>> > >
>> > >Robin Hood was a common thief turned in to a legend.
>> > >
>> > >Little John was one of the Merry Men according to that legend. Are you
>> > >refering to she Sherrif of Nittingham?
>>
>> Nottingham.
>>
>> >
>> > I think he's referring to Prince John, a little snake in the Disney
>> > version.
>>
>> Sorry, got the two Johns mixed up.
>>
>> Prince John was rather little (in more ways than one).
>>
>>
>> Prince John had his older brother King Henry (who had gone off
>> on a crusade) to be declared dead, and had himself crowned King.
>> He then implemented a police state so that he could go about
>> methodically seizing all of the wealth throughout England (under
>> the PRETENSE of paying for the Crusade).
>>
>The more common story is Prince John is trying to raise the ransom money for
>King Henry, thats why he has to raise the taxes.
>
>> Robin was a yeoman, part of the rising middle class of the
>> period.
>>
>Robin is a Saxon, some stories he can be any thing yeoman to the leading
>Saxon of the Nottingham. The important fact is that he is a Saxon, and
>they (Prince John and the ruling Nobles) are Normans.
>
>
>
gads! King Richard, not Henry (that's Richard Coeur'd lyon IIRC french) Richard
the lion hearted, Richard the boy lover.
<wanders off mumbling about reading the occasional history book.>
--
Jim Richardson
Anarchist, pagan and proud of it
WWW.eskimo.com/~warlock
Linux, because life's too short for a buggy OS.
------------------------------
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim Richardson)
Subject: Re: Linux web pads?
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 22:58:13 -0800
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Thu, 22 Feb 2001 18:52:15 -0000,
[EMAIL PROTECTED], in the persona of <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
brought forth the following words...:
>On Mon, 19 Feb 2001 22:41:32 -0500, Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>Charlie Ebert wrote:
>>>
>>> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Aaron Kulkis wrote:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >Karel Jansens wrote:
>[deletia]
>>Until they learn to ask simple questions, such as "Why in the fuck
>>would ANYBODY want to stand in front of the refrigerator to compose
>>and E-mail message", they will remain "Popular Adolescent Fantasies".
>>
>>Like the hovercraft thing...how many of these shitheads ever
>>ask themselves "Duh...would *I* buy one of those?...Is there
>>*anybody* I know who would by one of those?"
>
> Is that with or without the Ferrari sized pricetag?
>
>[deletia]
>
> Also, at one time a computer as powerful as yours
> had a Ferarri sized pricetag...
>
>--
>
> Freedom != Anarchy.
>
> Some must be "opressed" in order for their
> actions not to oppress the rest of us.
>
> |||
> / | \
Hovercraft don't work well on cambered roads.
--
Jim Richardson
Anarchist, pagan and proud of it
WWW.eskimo.com/~warlock
Linux, because life's too short for a buggy OS.
------------------------------
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim Richardson)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsoft seeks government help to stop Linux
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 23:10:36 -0800
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Fri, 23 Feb 2001 00:52:28 +0000,
Edward Rosten, in the persona of <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
brought forth the following words...:
>>> > The Home Guard was ill-armed because of the reactionary gun-control
>>> > laws pushed through by the British elite around 1920.
>>>
>>> That is BS. Even if people had personsal weapons, they would not have
>>> been much use against Panzers.
>>
>> Panzers go "blub blub blub" without a dock to land them on. Beachheads
>> are not docks.
>
>You can land tanks on beaches with the right landing craft.
Only about 2% of the beaches, and they become chokepoints which are easier to
defend. But I digress.
>
>
>
>>> Secondly, there was no guns in England
>>> because there were not enough guns to go round the army. That's why the
>>
>> You make my point for me.
>
>
>No. Whether the UK had guns in the home or not, by 1941 they would all
>have been long gone. There was not enough metal to go roung for making
>weapons.
>
>
Bull, there was plenty for hand weapons, ships and tanks take a lot, a bolt
action rifle takes about 8 lbs.
>
>>> guovernment confiscated every scrap of metal (iron fences, the lot) for
>>> use in weaponary. Any personal weapons would have been taken away and
>>> used.
>>
>> Conversely, in the United States, we were able to provide the British
>> with more service-quality rifles and shotguns from PRIVATELY DONATED
>> firearms than out of the combined stores of our armed services.
>
>See my above point. Don't forget that the US has a much bigger population
>and didn't have essential imports being cut off.
>
The point being mentioned is that the British decided (before the ware) to
disarm the populace, and then later, when that proved to be a short sighted
decision, begged for firearms from abroad, Americans responded, and sent
thousands of private arms, the British, ever grateful destroyed them all at the
end of the war rather than return them.
>>> > Gun control is ALWAYS about implementing feudalism.
>>>
>>> I disagree.
>>
>> Then you truly have no understanding of how the elitist power-brokers in
>> government view the average citizen like you and me.
>>
>> They want you to be a conformist little robot who offers ZERO resistance
>> to any of their decisions.
>
>Me having a gun would make no difference to a single decision the
>government has made in recent times. The only way it would have made a
>difference would be through armed uprising which is too extreme for
>anything that they've done recently.
>
Tell that to the Indians, or the children at Waco...
Then tell me it will never get worse, because the same organization which fed
retarded children radioactive isotopes to study radiation sickness, and
prevented black men from being treated for syphillis in order to study the
progression of the disease, promises never to oppress us...
>
>> You see...incidents like Dunblane are HYPED so as to brainwash you into
>> surrendering your BASIC HIMAN RIGHT to self defence.
>
>I didn't own a gun anyway. The new legislation stopped nutters getting
>guns. Almost noone in the UK (barring criminals) owned hand gund. The
>legislation won't affect criminals and it won't affect non gun owners, so
>it has affected almost noone. Besides, if you still are hell bent on
>protecting your home, then you can get a shot gun, since they are still
>allowed.
>
there were 10s of thousands of registered handguns in the UK prior to the ban,
now there are almost none (legally) but the criminals still have them, and the
homicide rate there is going up, not down, as is the violent crime rate in
general.
As for getting a shotgun, you can get one, *if* you live in the country, and
certainly not for the purpose of protection, that is expressly forbidden.
>>> > This is a bit out of date, of course. The events of Dunblane resulted
>>> > in further further hysterical legislation that was equally
>>> > misdirected....
>>>
>>> I disagree.
>>
>> Disagree all you want. You're still wrong.
>
>Well I think your wrong. Why don't you admit that I'm entitled to my own
>opinion?
opinion != fact. You are entitled to your opinion, that doesn't make your
opinion correct.
>
>
>>> > and inneffective. If British readers of this don't get the point by
>>> > now, I hope that American readers will, at least.
>>>
>>> I get the point, I just disagree. One problem you have is an
>>> unwillingness to see why other people hold a different point of view.
>>
>> My point of view is based on a thorough study of history and the actions
>> of both common criminals, and those who infect government.
>>
>> Trusting EITHER type of criminal to treat you with courtesy is a foolish
>> thing to do....foolish enough that it may cost you your life.
>
>I don't trust either to treat me with courtesy. But I don't think guns are
>the solution.
>
not *the* solution, *a* solution.
>
>> Remember...in the period 1900-1999, the LEADING cause of violent death
>> among people has been attack by their own government.
>>
>> There is no escaping that fact.
>>
>> You say, Oh, someone like Hitler or Stalin could never come into power
>> here....and at the same time, set up all the same conditions which usher
>> such bloodthirsty tyrants into power.
>
>What help could a hand gun possibly be against government forces? An
>artillery gun could quite easily drop a high explosive shell on my house
>from 60 miles away. I wouldn't stand a chance, guns or no guns.
govts, even tyrannical ones, don't want to destroy those who make them wealthy.
Only control them. Read Solzenitzen's "The Gulag archipelago" for what good a
knife or a handgun is against a tyranny.
>If the government wanted to turn on us and guns were legal, it would cut
>off the supply first, as well. Any stocks of ammo wouldn't last very long.
>Again, having a gun wouldn't help much.
Dial 911, they deliver...
>And the government forces have avaliable guns of far higher precision and
>power than I would be able to afford. I may as well just use a bow and
>arrows for all the help a hand gun would be against trained army forces
>with fantastically expensive weaponary. Again, me owning a gun would do
>very little against a dictator coming in to power.
You assume that a) all the military would side with tyranny, and b) that
guerilla forces cannot win against a conventional force, both assumptions are
wrong.
--
Jim Richardson
Anarchist, pagan and proud of it
WWW.eskimo.com/~warlock
Linux, because life's too short for a buggy OS.
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