Linux-Advocacy Digest #467, Volume #32 Sun, 25 Feb 01 10:13:06 EST
Contents:
Re: Something Seemingly Simple. (Mark McIntyre)
PC to Linux file transfer? (JimBouldin)
Re: Does anyone know how much computer power we have/ ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Does anyone know how much computer power we have/ ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: PC to Linux file transfer? (Donn Miller)
Re: SSH vulnerabilities - still waiting [ was Interesting article ] (Markus Friedl)
Re: Information wants to be free, Revisited (Peter Hayes)
Re: State of linux distros (Peter Hayes)
Re: PC to Linux file transfer? (mlw)
Re: M$ doing it again! (Donn Miller)
Re: M$ doing it again! (CR Lyttle)
Re: M$ doing it again! ("Edward Rosten")
Re: M$ doing it again! (Donn Miller)
Re: PC to Linux file transfer? (CR Lyttle)
Re: PC to Linux file transfer? (Chris Ahlstrom)
Re: Microsoft says Linux threatens innovation (Chris Ahlstrom)
Re: Information wants to be free, Revisited (Gregory L. Hansen)
Re: RTFM at M$ ("Mart van de Wege")
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From: Mark McIntyre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.c
Subject: Re: Something Seemingly Simple.
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 12:29:04 +0000
On 25 Feb 2001 04:11:58 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dan Pop) wrote:
>In <979tcp$e0r$[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bloody Viking) writes:
>
>>For all intents and purposes
>>degrees IS the standard. Even astronomers use degrees, "minutes", and
>>"seconds".
Curiously enough, astronomers use *hours*, minutes and seconds, at
least for RA and one minute of RA is not equal to one minute of arc.
So Viking's assertion is factually as well as actually wrong....
--
CLC FAQ <http://www.eskimo.com/~scs/C-faq/top.html>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JimBouldin)
Date: 25 Feb 2001 12:37:25 GMT
Subject: PC to Linux file transfer?
I have Linux installed on one of my hard drives and I would like to be able to
access files from the internet to use with linux, but my ISP does not support
Linux... Does anyone know of some sort of conversion method so that I can get
Linux stuff using my PC?
Thanks
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://trax.to/beepii
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Does anyone know how much computer power we have/
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 25 Feb 2001 16:32:01 +1100
"Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>In article <978e26$v59$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>wrote:
>> That last part makes me doubt his predictions. I simply cannot see much
>> of a market for processors that require industrial power to be connected
>> to the back of the machine.... At least not a mass-market.
>I can. Starting from the home computers of the early 80's, the amount of
>power required has steadily increased. Bear in mind, thet the faster you
>want to switch a silicon junctio, the more power you need to switch it.
Oh, for sure. But the amount of power required by a "PC" is still negligible
compared to the amount of power required by one of those little heating fans,
or a decent hairdryer, or a portable aircon. It's till pretty comparable to
the amount of power required by a single strong light bulb.
Most importantly, it can still be satisfied by plugging it into a bog-standard
wall socket. In fact, you can easily plug half a dozen current machines,
plus assorted monitors and printers, into a single 16A/220V feed.
Needing 10kW, on the other hand, would change all that. Not to mention that
the resulting electricity bill would be prohibitive, once you get your house
wired up for industrial power needs. Nope, I'd be willing to take a punt
that the mid-range computer from CompUSA or similar change will use no more
than 500W at that time. I'd even go as low as 200W if you gave me the right
sort of odds :)
Bernie
--
Friends applaud, the Comedy is over
Ludwig von Beethoven
German composer, 1770-1827
Last words, 26 March 1827
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Does anyone know how much computer power we have/
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 25 Feb 2001 16:34:29 +1100
Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>Peter Hayes wrote:
>> Conversly, the smaller the fab process size the lower the voltage required
>> to run the processor and the lower the current consumption. The power
>Voltage and Current are independant.
Nope.
>Power consumption is Voltage X Current.
Not in the sense you are thinking of. At least not when it comes to
switching CMOS transistors at GHz frequencies.
Stay on the software side, OK?
Bernie
--
Biography should be written by an acute enemy
A.J. Balfour
British Prime Minister 1902-1905
Observer, 30 January 1927
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Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 08:04:56 -0500
From: Donn Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: PC to Linux file transfer?
JimBouldin wrote:
>
> I have Linux installed on one of my hard drives and I would like to be able to
> access files from the internet to use with linux, but my ISP does not support
> Linux... Does anyone know of some sort of conversion method so that I can get
> Linux stuff using my PC?
Find an ISP that supports that same dialup PPP that Linux supports.
(Hint: CompuServe is not it.)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Markus Friedl)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.security.ssh
Subject: Re: SSH vulnerabilities - still waiting [ was Interesting article ]
Date: 25 Feb 2001 13:18:42 GMT
In <NJTl6.7512$[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "Chad Myers"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>I've already listed the exploits. They may have been patched, but how
>many systems out there are patched? If SSH is so great, why then does
>it have so many vulnerabilities?
1) it does not have "many vulnerabilities"
2) why should we care about vulnerabilities that have been fixed
more than 2 years ago?
>Why is SSH1 considered "fundamentally flawed" by its own makers?
Perhaps because they want to sell SSH2?
>-Chad
oh, it's you. you still did not try to get an idea about what's
the difference between 'exploit' and 'vulnerability'.
-markus
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From: Peter Hayes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,demon.local
Subject: Re: Information wants to be free, Revisited
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 13:21:58 +0000
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Sun, 25 Feb 2001 01:04:50 -0500, Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> "Gregory L. Hansen" wrote:
> >
> > In article <978p1p$gpk$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > Ayende Rahien <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > >"Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > >news:978knj$p4p$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >> > http://www.legislation.hmso.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/00023--e.htm section 53
> > >> >
> > >> > (4) A person who makes a disclosure to any other person of anything that
> > >> > he
> > >> > is required by a section 49 notice to keep secret shall be guilty of an
> > >> > offence and liable-
> > >> >
> > >> > (a) on conviction on indictment, to imprisonment for a term not
> > >> > exceeding
> > >> > five years or to a fine, or to both
> > >>
> > >> I think that these are some of the worst laws that have ever been passed.
> > >
> > >Not by a long shot.
> > >http://www.dumblaws.com/
> > >
> > >Here are some examples:
> > >In South Carolina, merchandise may not be sold within a half mile of a
> > >church unless fruit is being sold.
> > >In Norway, you may not spay your female dog or cat. However, you may neuter
> > >the males of the species.
> > >In Iowa, Kisses may last for no more than five minutes,
> > >a.. One-armed piano players must perform for free.
> > >a.. A man with a moustache may never kiss a woman in public.
> >
> > It's against the law to cross the Minnesota border with a duck on your
> > head.
>
> I wonder what turn of events caused THAT idiotic law to be passed.
I was going to ask that, but you got in first :-)
These idiotic laws are pretty harmless compared to RIP.
There's lots of "spin" on the RIP website trying to address the human
rights issues raised by RIP. Clearly, it'll take a court case to test it.
Peter
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From: Peter Hayes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: State of linux distros
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 13:21:59 +0000
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Sat, 24 Feb 2001 23:53:27 GMT, "Reefer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> "Aaron Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> skrev i meddelandet
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > Spot the stupidity.
>
> That would be u, using a early 70:s OS like Linsux....
You really are on a reefer, aren't you
Peter
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From: mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: PC to Linux file transfer?
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 08:45:08 -0500
JimBouldin wrote:
>
> I have Linux installed on one of my hard drives and I would like to be able to
> access files from the internet to use with linux, but my ISP does not support
> Linux... Does anyone know of some sort of conversion method so that I can get
> Linux stuff using my PC?
What do you mean "does not support." I have yet to see an ISP (except things
like NetZero) which can not support Linux. The difference is that they just
don't want deal with a clueless user on Linux, but a knowledgeable one they
would never know.
--
The majority of the stupid is invincible and guaranteed for all time.
The terror of their tyranny, however, is alleviated by their lack of
consistency.
-- Albert Einstein
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Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 08:45:57 -0500
From: Donn Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: M$ doing it again!
Edward Rosten wrote:
> How do you know? do you have access to the source code?
Erik doesn't have to access to any source code. He is just amazing in
that he just KNOWS these things. Remember, we are dealing with the
great, one-and-only Erik Funkensbusch.
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From: CR Lyttle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: M$ doing it again!
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 13:47:10 GMT
Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
>
> "Adam Warner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Hi Erik,
> >
> > > MS has already stated in several places, including the Whistler SDK
> > > (available online freely to anyone) that the theming API's would not be
> > > released. The reason, is that they want to ensure that all themes
> > > follow the basic windows UI guidelines.
> > >
> > > I'm sure MS will license the theme SDK to developers that agree to abide
> > > by UI guidelines and certify the themes, but that won't happen till at
> > > least the release of whistler.
> >
> > I appreciate the confirmation that Microsoft will not be releasing the
> > theming APIs.
> >
> > I was silly enough to think that Microsoft no longer practiced hiding API
> > specifications from the public and developers.
>
> All OS's have unpublished API's, including Linux. You can find all kinds of
> API's that are inside the kernel but do not appear in man pages because
> they're intended to be used internally inside the kernel itself without a
> published interface.
>
> Where someone like MS would get in trouble is if their apps, like office
> used those API's to their advantage, and nobody has yet proved this to be
> the case. Andrew Schulman published a book years ago called Undocumented
> Windows which exposed MS's use of hidden API's in 16 bit versions of Office,
> but also proved that using those API's gave them no advantage. Most of it
> was left over from the Windows 2.x days.
Why limit yourself to man pages? Doesn't publishing the source code and
explanation of the API's in "Linux Kernel Internals" count?
--
Russ
<http://home.earthlink.net/~lyttlec>
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: M$ doing it again!
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 13:53:51 +0000
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Donn Miller"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Edward Rosten wrote:
>
>> How do you know? do you have access to the source code?
>
> Erik doesn't have to access to any source code. He is just amazing in
> that he just KNOWS these things. Remember, we are dealing with the
> great, one-and-only Erik Funkensbusch.
oops. How could I forget.
<slinks away with tail between legs>
-Ed
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Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 08:56:17 -0500
From: Donn Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: M$ doing it again!
Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
> All OS's have unpublished API's, including Linux. You can find all kinds of
> API's that are inside the kernel but do not appear in man pages because
> they're intended to be used internally inside the kernel itself without a
> published interface.
Kernel internals do not belong in the man pages, Erik. There are books
published for this purpose. Man pages are mainly quick references for
syscalls and user commands. If all else fails, well, there's this
saying: "Use the source, Luke." Every hear of that one.
> Where someone like MS would get in trouble is if their apps, like office
> used those API's to their advantage, and nobody has yet proved this to be
> the case. Andrew Schulman published a book years ago called Undocumented
> Windows which exposed MS's use of hidden API's in 16 bit versions of Office,
> but also proved that using those API's gave them no advantage. Most of it
> was left over from the Windows 2.x days.
Great explanation, Erik. "See, it's like this..."
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From: CR Lyttle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: PC to Linux file transfer?
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 14:07:43 GMT
JimBouldin wrote:
>
> I have Linux installed on one of my hard drives and I would like to be able to
> access files from the internet to use with linux, but my ISP does not support
> Linux... Does anyone know of some sort of conversion method so that I can get
> Linux stuff using my PC?
>
> Thanks
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://trax.to/beepii
When most ISPs say they don't support Linux, they mean they don't know
how to set up a connection from your side. I recommend that you start
miniterm. Dial the ISP and watch the exchange. Use this information to
write a script for log in. For example, on one ISP I get the following
Login: <I enter my user name>
Password: <I enter my password>
@@#903123!@$C...
So I create a log in script :
expect ogin:
send <my user name>
expect assword:
send <my password>
Most distributions now have a nice ppp configuration edit screen that
lets you choose script login. So you dont have to write long
login/logout scripts yourself.
SLIP is mostly gone now, but there are HOWTOs in case your ISP uses
that.
--
Russ
<http://home.earthlink.net/~lyttlec>
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From: Chris Ahlstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: PC to Linux file transfer?
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 14:08:35 GMT
mlw wrote:
>
> JimBouldin wrote:
> >
> > I have Linux installed on one of my hard drives and I would like to be able to
> > access files from the internet to use with linux, but my ISP does not support
> > Linux... Does anyone know of some sort of conversion method so that I can get
> > Linux stuff using my PC?
>
> What do you mean "does not support." I have yet to see an ISP (except things
> like NetZero) which can not support Linux. The difference is that they just
> don't want deal with a clueless user on Linux, but a knowledgeable one they
> would never know.
Heck, ISPs don't even want to deal with the NT user, let alone the 2000 user.
But you can get all three working just fine by taking the data the ISP gives
and putting in the right places.
Chris
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From: Chris Ahlstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Microsoft says Linux threatens innovation
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 14:14:34 GMT
Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
>
> Software is not hardware, and it doesn't follow the same market trends of
> hardware. For instance, Adobe Pagemaker has stayed the same price for the
> last 6 years as well. Does that mean Adobe is also monopolizing?
The price of Microsoft software has not stayed level. It has increased
by an incredible amount. For example, about 3-4 years ago, I bought
an OEM version of Office for about $150. The same version is now about
$500. How's that for monopoly practice!
Chris
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Gregory L. Hansen)
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,demon.local
Subject: Re: Information wants to be free, Revisited
Date: 25 Feb 2001 14:28:07 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>"Gregory L. Hansen" wrote:
>>
>> In article <978p1p$gpk$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>> Ayende Rahien <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >
>> >"Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> >news:978knj$p4p$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> >> > http://www.legislation.hmso.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/00023--e.htm section 53
>> >> >
>> >> > (4) A person who makes a disclosure to any other person of anything that
>> >> > he
>> >> > is required by a section 49 notice to keep secret shall be guilty of an
>> >> > offence and liable-
>> >> >
>> >> > (a) on conviction on indictment, to imprisonment for a term not
>> >> > exceeding
>> >> > five years or to a fine, or to both
>> >>
>> >> I think that these are some of the worst laws that have ever been passed.
>> >
>> >Not by a long shot.
>> >http://www.dumblaws.com/
>> >
>> >Here are some examples:
>> >In South Carolina, merchandise may not be sold within a half mile of a
>> >church unless fruit is being sold.
>> >In Norway, you may not spay your female dog or cat. However, you may neuter
>> >the males of the species.
>> >In Iowa, Kisses may last for no more than five minutes,
>> >a.. One-armed piano players must perform for free.
>> >a.. A man with a moustache may never kiss a woman in public.
>>
>> It's against the law to cross the Minnesota border with a duck on your
>> head.
>
>I wonder what turn of events caused THAT idiotic law to be passed.
I've been meaning to find that out. It must have seemed like a good idea
at the time, but I can't even imagine why.
--
"'No user-serviceable parts inside.' I'll be the judge of that!"
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From: "Mart van de Wege" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: RTFM at M$
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 15:34:35 +0100
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft
In article <Fa5m6.1253$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Erik
Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
<snip>
>> >They block all ICMP.
>>
>> No, they block ping, and can't tell the difference between
>> ping and any other ICMP. All other ICMP, however, is
>> optional; ping is mandatory. Truly mandatory; MS isn't alone
>> in breaking this rule, but they are breaking the rule,
>> nevertheless.
>
> What "rule" might that be?
>
FYI,
That would be RFC 1122. I quote:
"Every host MUST implement an ICMP Echo server function that
receives Echo Requests and sends corresponding Echo
Replies. A host SHOULD also implement an
application-layer interface for sending an Echo
Request and receiving an Echo Reply, for diagnostic
purposes."
Mart
--
The ripest fruit falls first.
-- William Shakespeare, "Richard II"
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