Linux-Advocacy Digest #610, Volume #32 Sat, 3 Mar 01 05:13:03 EST
Contents:
Re: NT vs *nix performance (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: So, here's something to chew on... (Ray Chason)
Re: KDE or DOJ ? ("Tom Wilson")
Re: The best site of Linux. In this site there are all of Linux. www.frecell.6go.net
("Matthew Gardiner")
Re: [OT] .sig (was: Something Seemingly Simple.) (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: [OT] .sig (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: [OT] .sig (Aaron Kulkis)
Linux Server Shipments grew 144% in Asia-Pacific in 2000 ("Adam Warner")
Re: "Re: NT vs *nix performance (Not I said the Fly)
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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: NT vs *nix performance
Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2001 03:35:08 -0500
Steve Mading wrote:
>
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy JS PL <js@plcom> wrote:
>
> : "." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> : news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> :>
> :> These 'morons' were merely reading the license agreement, which states
> :> quite clearly if you don't agree to the license agreement you are
> :> entitled to return the product for a full refund.
>
> : And because they were morons they very quickly found out the way the real
> : world works.
>
> That MS lies to its customers and doesn't do what it says it will
> in its OWN license agreement? Yeah, we already knew that. The
> "refund day" was an attempt to publicise this fact. People
> didn't really expect it to work.
It's best to take them to small claims court.
Here's why:
It's cheaper for them to pay up than to send a lawyer.
Second...it establishes a court record that they tried to
weasel out of their own contract by BLATANTLY violating the
terms of said contract.
If 1000 people do that, AND contribute their names, and
case docket numbers to a central database, than that can
be used to smack Bill's jaw with a 2x4 every time he tries
to pass himself and Mafia$oft as legitimate business entities.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: Ray Chason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: So, here's something to chew on...
Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2001 08:39:23 -0000
Joel Barnett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Ray Chason wrote:
>
>> "Joel Barnett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> >If you actually need help with a W2k problem you might try
>> >alt.os.windows2000. Of course, if all you are saying is "I know how to do
>> >something in *nix, I don't know how to do it in W2k, therefore W2k
>> >sucks", I guess you came to the right place.
>>
>> But isn't Windoze supposed to be the OS that doesn't require you to RTFM?
>
>No matter what OS you use, you should read the manual.
But with Windoze, you don't have to RTFM. You just click on Start and
it detects all your hardware, sets up your ISP, installs Word, and
arranges a romantic candlelight dinner for two.
At least that's what Bill and his worshippers say. Or are they just
full of crap?
--
--------------===============<[ Ray Chason ]>===============--------------
PGP public key at http://www.smart.net/~rchason/pubkey.asc
Delenda est Windoze
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From: "Tom Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: KDE or DOJ ?
Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2001 08:52:19 GMT
"Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:c_mn6.918$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> "Gary Hallock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > Is this one of those things, like your criticism of OS/2, whereby one
> > > system having features or options that another doesn't is a strike
> > > against the first on the grounds of it being "too complicated"?
> >
> > No, this is Erik just blowing smoke. KDE 2.1 has been out for only 2
> > days. There is no way he has even tried it, let alone extensively.
>
> I used KDE 2.0 quite a bit. I can't imagine that 2.1 has changed it that
> radically in only the last 2 or 3 months since 2.0 was released.
Don't let the version number increment deceive you, it has changed quite a
lot and for the better I might add.
--
Tom Wilson
Sunbelt Software Solutions
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From: "Matthew Gardiner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The best site of Linux. In this site there are all of Linux.
www.frecell.6go.net
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 21:52:42 +1300
Another Spammer bites the dust.
Matthew Gardiner
"frecell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:97ouic$198$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> The best site of Linux. In this site there are all of Linux.
> www.frecell.6go.net
>
>
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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [OT] .sig (was: Something Seemingly Simple.)
Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2001 03:53:08 -0500
Roberto Alsina wrote:
>
> Aaron Kulkis wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Kaz Kylheku wrote:
> >>
> >> On Thu, 01 Mar 2001 22:27:32 -0500, Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> wrote:
> >> >A criminal record 3 feet long cannot be waivered away.
> >> >180 convictions, even class D misdemeanors, will be a bar to
> >> >enlistment...
> >>
> >> Is that how many convictions make a three foot long record?
> >> We may have hit upon your area of expertise, after all!
> >
> > It's a simple case of doing the math, shit-for-brains.
> >
> >
> >
> > 8 1/2 x 11 inch sheet of letter-sized paper = 60 lines
> >
> > 3 feet is approximately 3 sheets of letter-sized paper = 180 lines.
>
> I have not seen a US police record, but the ones we have around here don't
> list them one per line.
>
> In fact, one misdemeanor can take about half a page (listing all law
> instances through which it passed)
>
> Also, do things you get indicted for and not declared guilty end in your
> record?
In the United States, you cannot be held liable for anything other
than CONVICTIONS.
If you try to punish someone as responsible for a crime for which
they were acquitted (such as denying a professional license), be
prepared to have great legal difficulties yourself.
>
> --
> Roberto Alsina
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.c
Subject: Re: [OT] .sig
Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2001 03:54:51 -0500
Ian Woods wrote:
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Aaron Kulkis) wrote in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> >
> >
> >Ian Woods wrote:
> >>
> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Aaron Kulkis) wrote in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >>
> >> >I am using my right to free speech for my purpose.
> >> >
> >> >If that annoys you, so be it.
> >>
> >> And your hugely impressive Usenet-convention-overriding and worthwhile
> >> purpose is what?
> >
> >Keeping the kindling wet so that a royal flame-fest doesnt arise.
>
> In terms of flame fests, this thread in comp.lang.c is getting rather
> large.
>
> >Look, you guys have NO idea of the amount of garbage I had to
> >put up with before I composed the .sig.
>
> And it isn't topical in comp.lang.c
>
> >I really have absolutely NO FUCKING DESIRE to repeat the experience,
> >let alone to subject you to all that crap.
>
> Which again, is still not topical in comp.lang.c
>
> >With Dejanews, it is VERY easy to find out EVERY newgroup in which
> >someone posts. That's what I was dealing with...shitheads who
> >followed me around all over USENET, to spew their lies.
>
> Dejanews and it's ability to allow people to search for you and plague you
> is not topical in comp.lang.c
>
> >At this point, I really don't give a fuck whether *YOU* think
> >my actions are wise or not...
>
> Whether your actions are wise or not is not topical in comp.lang.c
>
> >You haven't had to deal with it.
>
> Whether or not I have dealt with it is not topical in comp.lang.c
>
> >I did.
>
> >The .sig was my solution, and it worked
>
> Just two simple questions:
>
> 1) Why retain it if it has finished serving its purpose?
>
> 2) Why continue to post in comp.lang.c?
>
> >If you can't accept that, then you can go fuck yourselves...
> >and that means every last one of you
>
> Self sexual satisfaction, strangely, isn't topical in comp.lang.c
>
> >Comprende?
>
> French or spanish? Either way, it's not topical in comp.lang.c
>
> >If not, too fucking bad.
>
> Ian Woods
And yet, you continute to waste bandwidth on the issue.
You make Daffy Duck look like a genius.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.c
Subject: Re: [OT] .sig
Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2001 03:57:10 -0500
Kelsey Bjarnason wrote:
>
> [snips]
>
> "Aaron Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> >
> > Ian Woods wrote:
> > >
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Aaron Kulkis) wrote in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > >
> > > >I am using my right to free speech for my purpose.
> > > >
> > > >If that annoys you, so be it.
> > >
> > > And your hugely impressive Usenet-convention-overriding and worthwhile
> > > purpose is what?
> >
> > Keeping the kindling wet so that a royal flame-fest doesnt arise.
> >
> > Look, you guys have NO idea of the amount of garbage I had to
> > put up with before I composed the .sig.
>
> Sure we do. You've been cross-posting here for a very short time, and have
> nevertheless already managed to annoy, tick off, or otherwise make a pain of
> yourself to, several people. Some of those have simply plonked you, others
> seem to think there's hope for your return to humanity.
>
> Whichever, the net result is that in a short time, you've brought a lot of
> scorn and ridicule upon yourself; as such, it's not much of a leap to think
> that if you've been doing this for more than a month or two, you've probably
> wound up with hundreds more equally annoyed with you.
>
> Why, though, you seem to think that parading about announcing "I'm an
> idiot!" to the universe is something *good* I have no idea. Sure, you have
> the right to... but why would you want to?
>
> > I really have absolutely NO FUCKING DESIRE to repeat the experience,
> > let alone to subject you to all that crap.
>
> Yet you go out of your way to be annoying, which guarantees people will
> either killfile you or keep doing it back to you. So iuf you don't want it,
> then your actions are simply stupid, since they're counter-productive.
>
> > With Dejanews, it is VERY easy to find out EVERY newgroup in which
> > someone posts. That's what I was dealing with...shitheads who
> > followed me around all over USENET, to spew their lies.
>
> At this point, I'm not sure how much an accusation from you about someone
> else lying is really going to sway someone. For it to sway them, you'd have
> to have credibility of your own, such that your statements would be given
> merit. I'm not convinced anyone here [this is comp.lang.c, BTW] thinks your
> credibility is all that high.
>
> > At this point, I really don't give a fuck whether *YOU* think
> > my actions are wise or not...
>
> Obviously... but why would you persue a course of action in direct
> contradiction to your goals? Not only do I think that's stupid, you would
> too, if you thought about it.
>
> > You haven't had to deal with it.
> >
> > I did.
>
> But you bring it on yourself.
>
> > The .sig was my solution, and it worked
>
> Indeed - it annoyed many more people. Which was your real purpose - to
> annoy as much of usenet as possible.
>
> > If you can't accept that, then you can go fuck yourselves...
> > and that means every last one of you
> >
> > Comprende?
> >
> > If not, too fucking bad.
>
> And your C question was?
You tell me...you're the idiots who started this bandwidth-wasting thread.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: "Adam Warner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Linux Server Shipments grew 144% in Asia-Pacific in 2000
Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2001 22:18:48 +1300
Hi all,
Since I live in the Pacific region that fact caught my eye in this very
positive Wired article:
http://www.wired.com/news/business/0,1367,42156,00.html
This is also good news for IBM:
[It's Linux advertising blitz] "may be a sensible investment, since IBM
attributes Big Blue's growing strength in the server hardware market
directly to Linux.
"In a report by industry analysts IDC, which is slated to be released on
Monday, IBM is ranked as the No. 1 Intel-based server vendor in IDC's Asia
Pacific/Japan region, a distinction that belonged to Compaq for the last
three years."
Regards,
Adam
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From: Not I said the Fly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: "Re: NT vs *nix performance
Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2001 01:32:21 -0800
Rex Ballard wrote:
>
> Amphetamine Bob wrote:
> >
> > jjs wrote:
> >
> > > Jon Johanson wrote:
> > >
> > > Gee, and IBM has the money and has done TPC before and yet they
> > don't have a
> > > > benchmark using linux. In fact, they use windows 2K even when running their
> > > > own database.
> >
> > No, actually IBM has banned Windows 2000 for all internal use! Yes,
> > it is true!
>
> It is true that they once did so. The internel help desk didn't support
> Windows 2000
> for quite some time after Windows 2000 was released. In addition, IGS
> consultants were
> only allowed to put Windows 2000 on a spare drive, NOT on their primary
> drive.
>
> Eventually this ban was lifted and Windows 2000 is used internally on
> T20s and T21s.
Thanks for clearing that up, Rex. :)
> > > Yes, IBM supports the windows pc line, it is one of their
> > > supported OSes, but I think you are somewhat deceived
> > > if you think windows is their only concern, Yes, IBM wants
> > > to see windows pcs, there's money in it.
> >
> > It is interesting to note that the PC Division has been losing $1
> > billion a year for several years now while OS/2 brings in about a $1
> > billion a year. Guess which line IBM tries to kill?
>
> OS/2 has been bringing in $1 billion a year in the last year?
Last year, OS/2 brought in $92 in direct sales, and supposedly that
does not even include seats, which is where most of the sales are
made. The $1 billion figure is for several years running now and is
stated as, "OS/2 brings in over $1 billion a year in 'related goods
and services'", whatever that means. A lot of that is probably for
support and development.
At one
> time OS/2
> was doing very well,
Still is.
but it has more recently been relegated to a server
> used to
> connect Java clients to APPC networks.
Well, sure but they still sell the Hell out of the client too. Sales
went up quite a bit last year after declining for a couple of years.
IBM probably sells 1,000 copies a day of OS/2 or thereabouts,
especially in Europe. I believe OS/2 still has about 10 million
seats, though it may have been losing seats lately. For instance,
this year, a large German bank is supposedly kicking out all NT seats
and buying 300,000 of Warp 4 Fixpak 14, along with 1,000 servers. IBM
is sending a special team over there to design a custom kernel for
them and write drivers. I know a guy who is participating in the
rollout.
Many of these messaging networks
> are
> being replaced with XML over MQSeries.
Oh, well, MQ Series is well-supported on OS/2 also. OK, Java is going
out, eh? Read the classifieds and tell me what type of programmer ads
are increasing more than any other? Java? Gotcha! ;)
>
> > However, they
> > > also want to sell mainframes, RS/6000s and AS/400s,
> >
> > Darn right they do. This is where IBM really makes a lot of money.
> > And I mean a lot of money.
>
> Very true. Microsoft doesn't really even try to compete in environments
> where compliance
> with government regulations and industry standards is compulsory.
> Microsoft couldn't even
> get LDAP, Kerberos, and PPP right without adding deviations. The result
> of course is higher administration costs, higher development costs, and
> frustrated customers and employees.
>
> Banks, Insurance Companies, Brokerages, Realtors, and numerous other
> industries must
> comply with government regulations.
Actually, this is where a lot of the OS/2 seats are. The financial
industry is heavily into OS/2.
Microsoft has evaded government
> regulations by
> creating or purchasing controllincg interest but not total control of
> hundreds of 3rd
> string players who are supposed to comply with regulations and
> standards, but are
> often kept ignorant.
:( How sleazy. Figures.
--
Bob
Being flamed? Don't know why? Take the Flame Questionnaire(TM)
today!
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