Linux-Advocacy Digest #611, Volume #32            Sat, 3 Mar 01 05:13:03 EST

Contents:
  Re: Judge Harry Edwards comments.... (Aaron Kulkis)
  Re: If I delete using rm? (Aaron Kulkis)
  Re: Windows Owns Desktop, Extends Lead in Server Market (Peter 
=?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hlmann?=)
  Re: NT vs *nix performance (Peter =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hlmann?=)
  Re: NT vs *nix performance (Aaron Kulkis)
  Re: So, here's something to chew on... (Aaron Kulkis)
  Re: I am Bobert the Great! (Aaron Kulkis)
  Re: NT vs *nix performance (Aaron Kulkis)

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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Judge Harry Edwards comments....
Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2001 04:32:27 -0500

Thanks for the research, Charlie.

It's always cool to learn something new...especially if it utterly
contradicts a lie you've heard so many times

Charlie Ebert wrote:
> 
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Aaron Kulkis wrote:
> >
> >
> >Charlie Ebert wrote:
> >>
> >> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Aaron Kulkis wrote:
> >> >
> >> >http://www.eetimes.com/special/special_issues/millennium/companies/bell.html
> >> >
> >> >     At first the research arm of AT&T, Bell Labs enjoyed a special status
> >> >     after its founding in the 1920s. Because of the monopoly granted AT&T
> >> >     by the government, in the interests of standardizing the telephone
> >> >     system, the lab could both be part of a commercial operation and play
> >> >     the open role of a national laboratory.
> >> >
> >>
> >> I see this in print and I've read it.
> >>
> >> There is no record in congress of an actual vote nor bill passed which
> >> grants AT&T nor IT&T a monopoly that I've seen.
> >>
> >> Perhaps what they are refering to is some kind of excusive contract.
> >>
> >> But I can't seem to find support for where congress passed and the
> >> president signed any such bill approving a monopoly.
> >>
> >> However, I can show you the 1970's arguments from the appeals trials
> >> where the phone companies attempted to prove they had been granted
> >> monopoly status from the government and they failed to exibit proof.
> >>
> >
> >Hmmmmmmmmmmmm
> >
> >Interesting.
> >
> >
> >> That much I know.
> >>
> >> Charlie
> 
> After having done some more looking I got lucky.
> 
> http://china.si.umich.edu/econ495/writings/paper/potter.html#fn3ret
> 
> Read thru this not forgetting to click on note 3.
> 
> They claim it got started in 1934 and not 1920 as your article states.
> 
> And indeed this appearently is the problem as nobody knows for sure
> when the notion of phone company monopoly started BUT,
> this article claims it started with Universal Service, which is a NOTION
> and not an actual law.
> 
> Note in II. History we see Michael Schrage, writer for the L.A. Times
> quoted Al Gore in saying that the NOTION of universal service has been
> a part of American history since the day's of Ben Franklin's post office.
> 
> Then we read at the top of the paragraph where they say "Universal Service"
> as a social institution was passed into a law in 1934, in that the telephone
> companies must "PROVIDE THEIR WARES TO EVEN THE POOREST MEMBERS OF SOCIETY".
> 
> But to say this is a grant of monopoly is foolish as there is no market
> anti competition clause.  It just says they have to provide everybody with
> phone service, that's all!  Then it goes on to talk about FDR comming in
> later with the NEW DEAL to offer rural electric power.
> 
> Then you read NOTE 3 and you know that there was never a monopoly granted.
> 
> The phone company just thought they had one as they were told they
> had to server all American's rich and poor.  But they were subsidised for
> that.  Subsidised efforts don't construe a monopoly either.
> 
> NOTE 3 again!
> 
> As you go thru the entire document you see that "Universal Service" dies
> just 20 years into the program and is replaced with a voucher program.
> 
> Again, no mention of a 50's era monopoly here either.
> 
> It should be noted that the passing of the 1934 "Universal Service Act"
> is the actual birth of another well known organization known as the
> Federal Communications Commission, a regulatory agency.
> 
> Then we jump to this link to read about the actual breakup trial.
> 
> http://www.navyrelics.com/tribute/bellsys/decisiontodivest.html
> 
> In 1934 the Communications Act was passed by the U.S.
> Congress and signed into law by President Franklin D.
> Roosevelt, creating the Federal Communications Commission.
> Part of its purpose was to regulate telecommunications "in
> the public interest"-a phrase that, incidentally, has no
> legal definition that can be cited as a yardstick. One of the
> FCC's missions was, in the words of the 1934 act, "to make
> available, so far as is possible, to all the people of the
> United States, a rapid, efficient, nationwide, and worldwide
> wire and radio communication service with adequate facilities
>  at reasonable charges."
> 
> All of a sudden you see the word NATURAL MONOPOLY used.
> You don't see legal or legalized MONOPOLY.  You see
> natural Monopoly and phrases out of AT& T like this.
> 
> Within AT&T, this explicit mission was reinforced by a
> corporate culture that evolved within the company under
> Theodore N. Vail, the business's general manager and its
> president from 1907 to 1919, whose philosophy became a
> corporate motto that stood for decades: "One policy, one
> system, universal service."
> 
> In my next article, I will attempt to find the actual
> link to the trail in 1975 where AT&T argues to the Judge
> presiding that they were a LEGAL MONOPOLY and the Judge
> throws the argument out citing that the FCC has no JURISDICTION
> to CREATE ANY MONOPOLY.
> 
> And then I will cite links which allowed the creation of MCI,
> SPRINT and also companies like FED-EX!
> 
> I'm going to do this because I think it's NECESSARY READING
> FOR EVERYBODY HERE.
> 
> Not just because they think I'm full of shit and need to be
> on the Art Bell program.
> 
> I just feel it's good reading and it gives you the spirit
> to watch the Impending Microsoft Breakup when it hit's the
> Supreme Court.
> 
> Charlie

-- 
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642

K: Truth in advertising:
        Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
        Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
        Special Interest Sierra Club,
        Anarchist Members of the ACLU
        Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
        The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
        Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,


J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
   The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
   also known as old hags who've hit the wall....

I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
   challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
   between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
   Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole

H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
    premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
    you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
    you are lazy, stupid people"

G:  Knackos...you're a retard.


F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
   adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.

E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
   her behavior improves.

D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
   ...despite (C) above.
 
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.

B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
   method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
   direction that she doesn't like.

A:  The wise man is mocked by fools.

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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: If I delete using rm?
Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2001 04:37:18 -0500



[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> Aaron Kulkis wrote:
> >
> > Interconnect wrote:
> > >
> > > If I accidentally delete a subdirectory and files is there any way of
> > > recovering these in Linux. That is without resorting to the tape backups?
> > >
> > > Thanks for any hints or tips.
> >
> > Only if you've replaced the standard rm with an idiot-proof one.
> >
> > Although...I must say that in 18 years of using Unix, I've only
> > removed the wrong files once...and, well, that's why we have
> > backup tapes.
> >
> <snip>
> As long as the blocks have not been overwritten, the data remains in
> situ as far as I know.  However, I've a feeling it would be the devil's
> own job to get it back.

Oh, this was a bad one.  The system was unrecoverable.

I did

#  ls -al /tmp
to look to see if the root directory was filled with junk
[A programmer was complaining that his machine was acting
all hosed up]

He was rushing me...and well, momentarily forgetting that 
I ran the ls command from the / directory, I proceded to


# find -atime +3 -print -exec rm \{\} \;


about midway through deleting /bin....OOPS!

Ctrl-C stopped it, but it was waaaaaaaay too late.

it took about 6 hours to restore his machine (mostly because the
tape drives we had were so slow).


He then told me that he would *NEVER* rush me again while I was
solving a problem...


> --
> http://www.guild.bham.ac.uk/chess-club

-- 
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642

K: Truth in advertising:
        Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
        Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
        Special Interest Sierra Club,
        Anarchist Members of the ACLU
        Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
        The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
        Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,


J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
   The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
   also known as old hags who've hit the wall....

I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
   challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
   between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
   Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole

H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
    premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
    you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
    you are lazy, stupid people"

G:  Knackos...you're a retard.


F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
   adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.

E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
   her behavior improves.

D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
   ...despite (C) above.
 
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.

B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
   method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
   direction that she doesn't like.

A:  The wise man is mocked by fools.

------------------------------

From: Peter =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hlmann?= <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Windows Owns Desktop, Extends Lead in Server Market
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 11:00:43 +0100

Jan Johanson wrote:

> Oh really? I don't see anyone arguing with the IDC facts ...
> 
> "Peter K�hlmann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Jon Johanson wrote:
> >
> > < nothing new >
> >
> > Well, since you�re one of the faster win-guys here, you are just 2 days
> > late. This bogus stuff is already dissected as completely BS.
> >
> > Next time come with something interesting.
> >

if you look into the thread
"Windows Owns Desktop, Extends Lead in Server Market"
you will know why you�re really late. That one exists already
several days, and you will find that your "facts" just generated 
a yawn. But you are probably too dumb as a wintendo-luser
to really use a news-reader, so you won�t see older messages.

And if you really want to try to be the next "Chad Myers", so be it.


Peter

-- 
Microsoft's Product Strategy: "It compiles, let's ship it!"



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From: Peter =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hlmann?= <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: 
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: NT vs *nix performance
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 11:33:12 +0100

JS PL wrote:
> 
> That's not the point. It doesn't matter if NO ONE want's to build their
> own computer. The fact is, all the components are available and have
> always been available to buy a computer with any or no operating system
> you choose. Therefore, no possibility of a monopoly. Anyone who utters the
> sentence "Microsoft has a monopoly" is clearly advertising their own
> ignorance. Wait and see what the appeals court says.
> 
Boy, are you wrong.
In the EU (european union) exists laws, which make it theoretical illegal
to assemble yourself that computer. You have no measurement thereafter
to prove that it does not radiate harmful to other electronic devices.
You aren�t allowed to use that computer afterwards.

To base your argument that there is no monopoly on the possibility to
build yourself a computer is just plain dumb. Even if it were legally 
possible in europe does not mean that a sizeable number of people 
would even consider doing it.

Peter

-- 
Microsoft's Product Strategy: "It compiles, let's ship it!"



------------------------------

From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: 
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: NT vs *nix performance
Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2001 04:41:45 -0500



Michael Vester wrote:
> 
> Aaron Kulkis wrote:
> >
> > JS PL wrote:
> > >
> > > "Aaron Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > > Then why all the whining about a supposed microsoft tax.  No one who has
> > > > > ever bought a computer in the history of man has been forced to pay
> > > extra
> > > > > for an OS they didn't want.
> > > >
> > > > Yes, they have.
> > >
> > > How so? At what time in history has it been impossible to buy the hardware
> > > to build your own computer? Seems to me that individual hardware channels
> > > were there long before people were building and selling packages that
> > > included MS Windows. Your about as dumb as they come.
> >
> > The average consumer has no more interest in building his own
> > computer from scratch as he does in building a kit car.
> >
> > now fuck off and die, idiot.
> >
> >
> Somehow the general public have this notion that a computer is
> difficult to assemble. I am sure that more people build their
> own cars than build their own computers. A car takes a fair
> amount of knowledge, many expensive tools, space and plenty of
> money. That is just to build from parts not from scratch. The
> mining, smelting, forging, machining,.. is beyond the average
> car hobbiest.
> 
> Computers just need a phillips screwdriver.  You don't have to
> design and fab a chip. About 20-30 screws and a few connectors
> (keyed so you can't put them in backwards). Yet, computers
> intimidate most non computer people. I am not a car guy but I
> do know enough to operate my old car reliably, safely and
> cheaply. I know what all the parts are and what they do.
> Something that I am not very interested in but I have enough
> knowledge to maximize the benefits. Is it so much to expect
> people to take a bit of notice to technology around them.
> Most people are completely clueless about computers and they
> want to stay that way. Microsoft understands and exploits
> that. Innovation?
> 

I realize this...but look at how many people take their machine
into a service shop JUST TO INSTALL A CARD.



> The criminal act is  Microsoft selling at different prices to
> different vendors. Vendors that are loyal to Microsoft are
> rewarded. Ones that aren't loyal are punished.  Profit margins
> are so tight building pc's, the vendor complies.  To buy a
> pre-assembled locally without losedos would take some
> research.  The bigger stores won't sell a losedosless pc but I
> might find a "hole in the wall" store that would. Microsft has
> made it difficult to get a pre-assembled losedosless pc. I
> assemble my own. Much higher quality than any pre-assembled
> pc.

I buy make my own because I have little interest in throwing
away a couple hundred dollars worth of parts because I want
to upgrade them to something better.

It's better to just buy the parts that YOU want and assemble it.


> 
> > Aaron R. Kulkis
> > Unix Systems Engineer
> > DNRC Minister of all I survey
> > ICQ # 3056642
> <snipped>
> --
> Michael Vester
> A credible Linux advocate
> 
> "The avalanche has started, it is
> too late for the pebbles to vote"
> Kosh, Vorlon Ambassador to Babylon 5

-- 
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642

K: Truth in advertising:
        Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
        Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
        Special Interest Sierra Club,
        Anarchist Members of the ACLU
        Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
        The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
        Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,


J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
   The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
   also known as old hags who've hit the wall....

I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
   challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
   between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
   Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole

H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
    premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
    you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
    you are lazy, stupid people"

G:  Knackos...you're a retard.


F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
   adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.

E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
   her behavior improves.

D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
   ...despite (C) above.
 
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.

B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
   method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
   direction that she doesn't like.

A:  The wise man is mocked by fools.

------------------------------

From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: So, here's something to chew on...
Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2001 04:42:28 -0500



Michael Vester wrote:
> 
> Aaron Kulkis wrote:
> >
> > Joel Barnett wrote:
> > >
> > > Aaron Kulkis wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Joel Barnett wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > "Masha Ku'Inanna" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > > news:97mlhm$1gu$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >
> > > <snip lengthy diatribe against W2k>
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > If you actually need help with a W2k problem you might try
> > > > > alt.os.windows2000. Of course, if all you are saying is "I know how to
> > > > > do something in *nix, I don't know how to do it in W2k, therefore W2k
> > > > > sucks", I guess you came to the right place.
> > > >
> > > > Translation:
> > > > Windows is just as difficult to administrate as Unix,
> > > > without the benefit of system stability.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > Better translation:
> > > AK likes *nix OSen, dislikes MS OSen, therefore (erroneously) concludes
> > > that *nix OSen are better than MS OSen. Of course the conclusion does
> > > follow if we redefine 'better' to mean 'what AK likes'.
> >
> > I've used DOZENS of different operating systems (non-Unix)
> >
> > Microsoft is not merely at the bottom of the heap...it's down in the sewer.
> >
> > >
> 
> Microsoft is the worst.  I don't understand why this is even
> debated.
> 

Because Bill has millions of MS-drug addicts.


> > > jbarntt
> >
> > --
> > Aaron R. Kulkis
> > Unix Systems Engineer
> > DNRC Minister of all I survey
> > ICQ # 3056642
> <snip>
> 
> Michael Vester
> A credible Linux advocate
> 
> "The avalanche has started, it is
> too late for the pebbles to vote"
> Kosh, Vorlon Ambassador to Babylon 5

-- 
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642

K: Truth in advertising:
        Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
        Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
        Special Interest Sierra Club,
        Anarchist Members of the ACLU
        Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
        The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
        Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,


J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
   The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
   also known as old hags who've hit the wall....

I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
   challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
   between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
   Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole

H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
    premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
    you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
    you are lazy, stupid people"

G:  Knackos...you're a retard.


F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
   adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.

E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
   her behavior improves.

D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
   ...despite (C) above.
 
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.

B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
   method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
   direction that she doesn't like.

A:  The wise man is mocked by fools.

------------------------------

From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: I am Bobert the Great!
Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2001 04:43:20 -0500



anchorite wrote:
> 
> On Fri, 02 Mar 2001 22:10:37 +0000, "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> 
> >In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Bobert Big
> >Bollocks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >> I am Bobert the Great from the planet Bobertron Bow before me!
> >
> >Ahem :)
> >
> >-Ed
> >
> >
> >--
> >                                                     | u98ejr
> >                                                     | @
> >             This argument is a beta version.        | eng.ox
> >                                                     | .ac.uk
> 
> Can you make a winmodem work as well with Linux as it will with
                 ^^^^^^^^

You misspelled "LoseModem"


> BeOS???  Then I may bow.

-- 
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642

K: Truth in advertising:
        Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
        Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
        Special Interest Sierra Club,
        Anarchist Members of the ACLU
        Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
        The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
        Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,


J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
   The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
   also known as old hags who've hit the wall....

I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
   challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
   between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
   Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole

H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
    premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
    you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
    you are lazy, stupid people"

G:  Knackos...you're a retard.


F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
   adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.

E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
   her behavior improves.

D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
   ...despite (C) above.
 
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.

B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
   method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
   direction that she doesn't like.

A:  The wise man is mocked by fools.

------------------------------

From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: 
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: NT vs *nix performance
Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2001 04:46:16 -0500



JS PL wrote:
> 
> "Aaron Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> >
> > JS PL wrote:
> > >
> > > "Aaron Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > > Then why all the whining about a supposed microsoft tax.  No one who
> has
> > > > > ever bought a computer in the history of man has been forced to pay
> > > extra
> > > > > for an OS they didn't want.
> > > >
> > > > Yes, they have.
> > >
> > > How so? At what time in history has it been impossible to buy the
> hardware
> > > to build your own computer? Seems to me that individual hardware
> channels
> > > were there long before people were building and selling packages that
> > > included MS Windows. Your about as dumb as they come.
> >
> > The average consumer has no more interest in building his own
> > computer from scratch as he does in building a kit car.
> >
> > now fuck off and die, idiot.
> 
> That's not the point. It doesn't matter if NO ONE want's to build their own
> computer. The fact is, all the components are available and have always been

It's entirely relevant.

The market for "build it yourself" computers is infinitesimal.
NOBODY could make money PURELY on build-it-yourself sales and
survive on current prices.



> available to buy a computer with any or no operating system you choose.
> Therefore, no possibility of a monopoly. Anyone who utters the sentence
> "Microsoft has a monopoly" is clearly advertising their own ignorance. Wait
> and see what the appeals court says.




-- 
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642

K: Truth in advertising:
        Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
        Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
        Special Interest Sierra Club,
        Anarchist Members of the ACLU
        Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
        The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
        Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,


J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
   The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
   also known as old hags who've hit the wall....

I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
   challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
   between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
   Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole

H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
    premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
    you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
    you are lazy, stupid people"

G:  Knackos...you're a retard.


F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
   adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.

E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
   her behavior improves.

D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
   ...despite (C) above.
 
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.

B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
   method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
   direction that she doesn't like.

A:  The wise man is mocked by fools.

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