Linux-Advocacy Digest #686, Volume #32 Wed, 7 Mar 01 10:13:09 EST
Contents:
Re: Microsoft screws itself again! (.)
Re: Mircosoft Tax ("Edward Rosten")
Re: Microsoft screws itself again! (.)
Re: Microsoft screws itself again! (Jakob Kosowski)
Re: What does IQ measure? ("Edward Rosten")
Re: I am looking for a newsreader ("Nigel Feltham")
Re: Microsoft screws itself again! ("Nigel Feltham")
Re: Time for a Windows reinstall! ("Edward Rosten")
Re: Microsoft screws itself again! (Jakob Kosowski)
Re: Microsoft screws itself again! (Mike Martinet)
Linux destroys video card! (Henry_Barta)
Re: Linux Joke ("Chad Myers")
Re: Mircosoft Tax (Donovan Rebbechi)
Re: The GPL if you are curious. (Donovan Rebbechi)
Re: Sometimes, when I run Windows... ("Jon Tullett")
measuring uptime on Win2000 (Henry_Barta)
Re: Mircosoft Tax (Donovan Rebbechi)
Re: measuring uptime on Win2000 ("Bobby D. Bryant")
Re: What does IQ measure? (Anonymous)
Re: What does IQ measure? (Brock Hannibal)
Re: Linux Joke ("Niels")
Re: What does IQ measure? (Brock Hannibal)
Re: Crimosoft will get off scot-free ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.)
Subject: Re: Microsoft screws itself again!
Date: 7 Mar 2001 13:15:43 GMT
Bloody Viking <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> As of now, the fastest CPUs from Intel put out 40 watts of heat, meaning we
> are approaching the limit of aircooled chips. Who knows? Newsgroups like
> comp.os.linux.watercooled.ice anyone?
Dont assume that intel is releasing the best processors in the world...
See IBM's G series for details. They dont get that hot at all, and AFAIK, the
G7 is now in testing.
=====.
k
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Mircosoft Tax
Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 13:17:50 +0000
>> > > floppies to 150Mb with no apparent improvement in the environment.
>> >
>> > Not apparent because you refuse to look.
>>
>> By all means, show me how you can justify over 100Mb for the petty
>> advantages you get going from 3.1 to ME.
>
> If they're so petty, why aren't you using 3.1 right now? I notice
> you're using Gravity, a Win32 news reader.
Mabey he wses Win32 baceause now all apps are written for win32. Possibly?
>> > > Win 3.1 had wordpad
>> >
>> > No, it had Write, a much inferior word processor (not that Wordpad is
> all
>> > that, but it has a lot more than Write)
>>
>> It's just a newer version of the same thing. Write lets you process
>> words, wordpad lets you process words. It's interesting that wordpad
>> is still named write.exe too.
>
> No, it's not. write.exe is a 10k "wrapper" application that calls
> Wordpad.exe and translates the arguments to be wordpad compatible
> arguments.
Write does not have as much functionality as wordpad, but wordpad.exe is
pretty small, so it does not account for much of the bloat
[edward@catz-7AF Accessories]$ ls -l `locate wordpad.exe | head -n 1`
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 183296 Aug 24 1996 wordpad.exe
I would actually go as far as to say that wordpad is pretty good for what
it does, but it doesn't account for much. Where does all the rest come
from.
>> >
>> > A wav and MIDI player/recorder. Hardly the full featured audio/video
> applet
>> > that WMP is.
>>
>> Yet still more evolution. They haven't really CHANGED anything, just
>> updated it.
>
> Have you even *LOOKED* at WMP? Hell, the damn thing creates CD's in
> version
> 8.
Now, that sounds like bloat for a media _player_.
>> > > So what accounts for the increase in size by a factor of 15 or
>> > > more?
>> >
>> > The architectural changes alone take up a lot. There's an entirely
>> > new
> API
>> > with thousands of functions.
>>
>> Do you have any details? The newer bastardized Win32 they created for
>> Win95 used to occupy 20Mb suchandsuch 16 bit DLLs, and now consists of
>> 85Mb in blabla 32bit DLLs?
>
> DirectDraw, DirectSound, Direct3D, DirectPlay, DirectAnimation,
> DirectShow, TAPI, MAPI, SAPI, WININET, WinG, Winsock 2 (in addition to
> Winsock 1 and
> 1.1), fonts, bitmaps, sounds, cursors, icons,
WinG was *FOR* win3.11 it was superceded BY DirectDraw in Win95. Winsock
was avaliable for win3.11
Excesses of bitmaps, souncds etc sounds like icons to me.
> Strange, my /usr/X11R6/bin is 40 megs alone. Just for the binaries and
> scripts used for the GUI.
--
| Edward Rosten
| u98ejr@
This argument is a beta version. | ecs.ox
| .ac.uk
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.)
Subject: Re: Microsoft screws itself again!
Date: 7 Mar 2001 13:18:11 GMT
Charlie Ebert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Ray Chason wrote:
>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bloody Viking) wrote:
>>
>>>The fun begins when chips come with _integrated water
>>>jacket packaging_ to watercool them like car engines. At that point, Moore's
>>>Law ends on the desktop with silicon, leaving any speed increases to
>>>overclockers with ice water cooling systems.
>>
>>I seriously doubt J. Random Luser will tolerate water cooling in his
>>computer. Consider how often car radiators spring leaks, and then
>>consider the consequences when this happens in anything electronic.
>>
>>And then there's all that energy that the faster chips suck up, a
>>serious problem for laptops and anything that needs a UPS.
>>
>>Thus I give the Pentium architecture about five years to live. To
>>get more speed, Intel either must stuff more and more circuits onto
>>a chip, generating more and more heat, or just say the hell with it
>>and move to Itanium.
>>
>>The Pentium instruction set will live on in emulation, of course, as
>>the 68K set does on PowerPC Macs.
>>
> IF YOU BELIEVE -
> The latest Intel Propaganda, they now have a chip which goes 1,000 gigahertz.
> That's 1000 times faster than today's market chips.
A fast, and very hot chip. Id like to see how it would do against an 8 way
IBM G6 setup; roughly the equivalent of 192 600mhz G4's. This setup is
available *right now*.
=====.
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From: Jakob Kosowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Microsoft screws itself again!
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 14:25:46 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Charlie Ebert wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Ray Chason wrote:
> >[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bloody Viking) wrote:
> >
> >>The fun begins when chips come with _integrated water
> >>jacket packaging_ to watercool them like car engines. At that point,
> >>Moore's Law ends on the desktop with silicon, leaving any speed
> >>increases to overclockers with ice water cooling systems.
> >
> >I seriously doubt J. Random Luser will tolerate water cooling in his
> >computer. Consider how often car radiators spring leaks, and then
> >consider the consequences when this happens in anything electronic.
> >
> >And then there's all that energy that the faster chips suck up, a
> >serious problem for laptops and anything that needs a UPS.
> >
> >Thus I give the Pentium architecture about five years to live. To
> >get more speed, Intel either must stuff more and more circuits onto
> >a chip, generating more and more heat, or just say the hell with it
> >and move to Itanium.
> >
> >The Pentium instruction set will live on in emulation, of course, as
> >the 68K set does on PowerPC Macs.
> >
>
>
> IF YOU BELIEVE -
>
> The latest Intel Propaganda, they now have a chip which goes 1,000
> gigahertz. That's 1000 times faster than today's market chips.
>
> And THEY say it will be on the market before 2005.
>
> And that's where we are all going.
>
> Charlie
>
>
I cannot believe such a load of crap. Impossible. Typical M$-type
propaganda. It's getting worse and worse.
--
Linux NEVER crashes unless you really fuck up.
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: What does IQ measure?
Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 13:26:53 +0000
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Aaron Kulkis"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Edward Rosten wrote:
>>
>> > A true IQ test would have to involve pictures and patterns, and
>> > perhaps have some mathematical basis, because these are the only
>> > ideas that translate well all over the world.
>>
>> I don't believe there is a true IQ test. People are good at different
>> thing.
>
> BULLSHIT.
>
> There is are VERY strong correlations between doing well on a
> well-designed IQ test, and the ability to quickly learn and perform well
> at any other randomly selected task. (Quickly as compared to the rate
> at which an IQ 100 person [statistical mean] would learn).
The only thing that IQ tests measure is how good you are at IQ tests.
They put no emphasis on precision over speed, for instance.
The kind of person that works slowly but precisely and creatively scores
poorly in IQ tests.
-Ed
--
| Edward Rosten
| u98ejr@
This argument is a beta version. | ecs.ox
| .ac.uk
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From: "Nigel Feltham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: I am looking for a newsreader
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 13:31:50 -0000
> Tyr pan (like me :-)
>
> It's still beat, but as long as you're careful, it's OK.
>
> If you have a large number of threads in a group, let it finish loaing
> and threading before you tell it to do something else.
>
> -Ed
MS Lookout Express GPF's if you try to do something elso while waiting
for threads to load so perhaps pan are making too good a job of copying it
;-)
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From: "Nigel Feltham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Microsoft screws itself again!
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 13:34:23 -0000
> I cannot believe such a load of crap. Impossible. Typical M$-type
> propaganda. It's getting worse and worse.
> --
> Linux NEVER crashes unless you really fuck up.
It's not crap - it's the minimum recommended spec for windows 2005 ;-)
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Time for a Windows reinstall!
Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 13:36:55 +0000
In article <984t8g$jqt$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Bloody Viking"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Paolo Ciambotti ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>
> : Haha! That sounds _SO_ familiar. I have a 'cpio' archive of my
> Windoze
> : drive saved off under Linux. When MSFT takes a crap all over itself
> : (which is a regular occurrence), I just FDISK the damned thing and
> dump
> : the 'cpio' image back onto it. Never fails.
>
> : Linux: the ultimate Microshaft Windoze recovery tool.
>
> Another method is with a big hard drive, you save a rawcopy of the
> Windows partition, rawcopied onto a partition in a giant file. Sort of
> like:
>
> cp /dev/hda1 winblows.partition.
>
> To recover, merely:
>
> cp windows.partition /dev/hda1
>
> For best results, ensure you use a giant hard drive (a 40G will do) with
> a spare partition big enough to hole the file image.
>
> Too bad there's no rawread to match rawrite for Windows users to save
> the C partition to a bigger one in a file to use a boot disk to recover
> with rawrite.
here's my soultion.
Create a 600M (or less) windows partition (and an extra one for apps if
needed)
Install everything that might get hosed on the 600M partition and
everything else on the other one.
Dump the partition to a CD as raw data (ie not an ISO image). When 'doze
dize, cat /dev/cdrom > /cdv/hdxx does the recovery job quite nicely. Its
fast and doesn't take up much space.
-Ed
--
| Edward Rosten
| u98ejr@
This argument is a beta version. | ecs.ox
| .ac.uk
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From: Jakob Kosowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Microsoft screws itself again!
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 15:06:51 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Nigel Feltham wrote:
>
> > I cannot believe such a load of crap. Impossible. Typical M$-type
> > propaganda. It's getting worse and worse.
> > --
> > Linux NEVER crashes unless you really fuck up.
>
> It's not crap - it's the minimum recommended spec for windows 2005 ;-)
And that.
--
Linux NEVER crashes unless you really fuck up.
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From: Mike Martinet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Microsoft screws itself again!
Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 07:12:01 -0700
Bloody Viking wrote:
>
> Microsoft has been leveraging Moore's Law forever, slowing down the
> ever-faster hardware. The fun begins when chips come with _integrated water
> jacket packaging_ to watercool them like car engines. At that point, Moore's
> Law ends on the desktop with silicon, leaving any speed increases to
> overclockers with ice water cooling systems.
>
><snip>
>
> A fundimental limit will be reached soon, that being heat
> dissipation on the desktop. Servers can use refrigerated chips (integrated
> freon-cooling?) but Linux already is gaining good on the server market.
>
> As of now, the fastest CPUs from Intel put out 40 watts of heat, meaning we
> are approaching the limit of aircooled chips. Who knows? Newsgroups like
> comp.os.linux.watercooled.ice anyone?
>
Actually, there's a thing called a Thermoelectric Cooler or TEC. It's a
nifty device about the size of a chip that can easily fit on the back of
a microprocessor. It runs current backwards through itself to remove
heat which results in cooling. (I don't pretend to know how it *really*
works, that's just the explanation I was given.) Stick it to a chip,
strap a normal heatsink and fan on its back, feed it 12vdc and you'll
effectively lower the surface temp of the chip dozens of degrees,
depending on the initial heat, of course.
Pretty cool! ;)
MjM
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From: Henry_Barta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Linux destroys video card!
Date: 7 Mar 2001 14:08:47 GMT
Edward Rosten <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> This is a linux advocacy group, so I'd thought I'd create a thread about
> how great it was.
> I had a bit of a crisis yesterday, my trusty Riva128 died. There was no
> output to the scren at all.
What's so greate about that! Clearly if you had been running a
proprietary OS, your viodeo card would still be working. (And you
would live longer, be more attractive to younger women, find
untold wealth, etc. etc. etc... :)
I think I still have you beat. I operated my firewall for 4
weeks after the hard drive failed. I shut it down to put a
spare drive. Barring loss of power, it sppeared to be ready
to run indefinitely. (Running Linux, of course. I don't think
that any Win based system would tolerate excessive hard drive
failures and keep running.)
--
Hank Barta White Oak Software Inc.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] Predictable Systems by Design.(tm)
Beautiful Sunny Winfield, Illinois
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From: "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux Joke
Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 13:56:35 GMT
"Niels" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:98539a$efr$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> >> Never hacked, never down, never fail.
> >
> >You left off, respectively:
> >Not worth hacking, never worked hard, no one would notice.
>
> Let me tell you that for some people every *nix box is worth hacking, cause
> they run major
> DDoS networks with over 1000 or maybe even more r00t3d boXes to play around
> with...
>
> These guys wont leave any unsecure box around, i know of some UK cracker
> group that seems to have scanned and rooted thousands of unsecure wuftpd
> boxes, and DDoS irc servers with it...
>
> So maybe owners wont notice but other people do..!
>
> Talk, Listen, Think and talk again =)
I've always maintained that Linux must have an EZ-HACK feature, judging
by the ease in which "hackers" compromised entire university computer
labs for their DDoS assault on Ebay, Amazon, Microsoft and several
others last summer. It was reported that a large majority of the
machines used in the attack were compromised Linux boxes.
-c
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi)
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Mircosoft Tax
Date: 7 Mar 2001 14:12:57 GMT
On Wed, 7 Mar 2001 10:58:24 +0100, David Brown wrote:
>
>Donovan Rebbechi wrote in message ...
>I won't argue either way regarding the desktop functionality, but Windows
>does not come with any apps (remember, IE is "part of the OS", and not an
>app)
If IE is "part of the OS", then they've done a lot of work on "the OS".
Call it what you will, but the point is that you can't dismiss IE as a
trivial addition to the package. It's an enormous project.
> and certainly does not have any development tools.
It has shared libraries.
--
Donovan Rebbechi * http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/ *
elflord at panix dot com
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi)
Subject: Re: The GPL if you are curious.
Date: 7 Mar 2001 14:16:42 GMT
On Wed, 07 Mar 2001 05:13:04 GMT, Mike wrote:
>
>"Donovan Rebbechi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> On Tue, 06 Mar 2001 06:28:22 GMT, Mike wrote:
>> >
>> >"mlw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>>
>> >GPL is only a few pages long. I suggest that anyone who says something
>like,
>> >"GPL states that..." also publish the paragraph where it says "that".
>That
>> >would end half the speculation.
>>
>> I more or less agree with this sentiment, though where interpretation is
>> possible, I would also consider a quote from RMS as an authoritative
>> source on the *intended* meaning.
>
>I disagree. Intended meaning carries little weight in a courtroom. It's a
>legal document, and it has to stand on its own.
I don't understand what you're disagreeing with. I didn't say that RMS's
intent was authoritative in the courtroom, I was merely pointing out that
RMS is an authoritative source on his own intent.
--
Donovan Rebbechi * http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/ *
elflord at panix dot com
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From: "Jon Tullett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Sometimes, when I run Windows...
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 18:14:57 +0400
"Pete Goodwin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> says...
>
> > > "A picture paints a thousand words".
> > >
> > > Ever tried to edit a graphic with a CLI?
> >
> > Have you ever run Autocad?
>
> Nope, can't say I have.
>
> Ever tried to edit a graphic with a CLI?
>
Image Magick is a pretty useful graphic manipulation suite that runs from
the command line. You can do a large number of effects very quickly, without
the overhead of actually rendering the picture on screen. Assuming you know
in advance what you want to do, it's great. I use it for resizing and
converting batches of graphics for thumbnail use, for instance, on a server
that isn't running X at all.
I think there are a lot of CLI-based tools out there that people forget
about. It's so easy to get tied up in the GUI. That, if anything, is a
danger of Windows; I dislike the lack of command line flexibility - why do I
have to do everything in dialogue boxes? If I want to change my Linux
configuration, it's extremely rare that I'll ever use a GUI to do so. Why
should graphics be different? CLI means power :)
-J
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From: Henry_Barta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: measuring uptime on Win2000
Date: 7 Mar 2001 14:24:49 GMT
As I was rebooting my Win2000 box last night (so my son could
print from his Win2000 box.) I was wondering how to measure
uptime on a WinNT or Win2000 system. Is there an equivalent of
an uptime command?
Uptime on my Linux workstation is about 60 days, but won't get
much higher since I have some new hardware coming. The uptime
would be about double that except I had to replace the power
supply. I couldn't go higher than double because before that,
it was just a pile-o-parts.
Uptime on my Linux firewall is about 10 days, which is how long
it has been since I replaced a failed hard drive. Before that
it was 55 days including 27 days after the drive failed.
I think I'm getting about a week average on Win2000. Reboots
caused by S/W installs (AKA "Do you want to reboot to finish
this?"), several BSODs resulting from inserting a music CD,
inability to log out, inability to print from another comuputer,
and so on.
--
Hank Barta White Oak Software Inc.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] Predictable Systems by Design.(tm)
Beautiful Sunny Winfield, Illinois
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi)
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Mircosoft Tax
Date: 7 Mar 2001 14:25:45 GMT
On 7 Mar 2001 09:22:03 GMT, Bloody Viking wrote:
>
>Donovan Rebbechi ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>
>: Why should the operating system go down in price ? Has it
>: become cheaper to design and write operating systems ?
>
>Yes. Mass distribution and cheap H1-B imported labour.
I know some of the "cheap H1B imported labour", and they're really not that
cheap at all. I've seen the H1B debate raging on comp.lang.c++, and almost
all the protectionists are a bunch of obnoxious stupid bigots who can't get
a job because they're barely intelligent enough to tie their own shoelaces,
let alone code. My SO sued to work at a place that employed H1Bs, and
suffice it to say, they weren't "cheap" by any stretch of the imagination.
--
Donovan Rebbechi * http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/ *
elflord at panix dot com
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From: "Bobby D. Bryant" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: measuring uptime on Win2000
Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 08:27:18 -0600
Henry_Barta wrote:
> several BSODs resulting from inserting a music CD,
That's risky behaviour, with a MS OS.
Bobby Bryant
Austin, Texas
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Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 07:36:54 -0700
From: Anonymous <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: What does IQ measure?
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,soc.singles
"Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Aaron Kulkis"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Edward Rosten wrote:
> >>
> >> > A true IQ test would have to involve pictures and patterns, and
> >> > perhaps have some mathematical basis, because these are the only
> >> > ideas that translate well all over the world.
> >>
> >> I don't believe there is a true IQ test. People are good at different
> >> thing.
> >
> > BULLSHIT.
> >
> > There is are VERY strong correlations between doing well on a
> > well-designed IQ test, and the ability to quickly learn and perform well
> > at any other randomly selected task. (Quickly as compared to the rate
> > at which an IQ 100 person [statistical mean] would learn).
>
> The only thing that IQ tests measure is how good you are at IQ tests.
>
> They put no emphasis on precision over speed, for instance.
>
> The kind of person that works slowly but precisely and creatively scores
> poorly in IQ tests.
they also test for obedience
jackie 'anakin' tokeman
men fear thought as they fear nothing else on earth - more than ruin,
more even than death
- bertrand russell
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Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 06:40:36 -0800
From: Brock Hannibal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: What does IQ measure?
Anonymous wrote:
>
> "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Aaron Kulkis"
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > Edward Rosten wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > A true IQ test would have to involve pictures and patterns, and
> > >> > perhaps have some mathematical basis, because these are the only
> > >> > ideas that translate well all over the world.
> > >>
> > >> I don't believe there is a true IQ test. People are good at different
> > >> thing.
> > >
> > > BULLSHIT.
> > >
> > > There is are VERY strong correlations between doing well on a
> > > well-designed IQ test, and the ability to quickly learn and perform well
> > > at any other randomly selected task. (Quickly as compared to the rate
> > > at which an IQ 100 person [statistical mean] would learn).
> >
> > The only thing that IQ tests measure is how good you are at IQ tests.
> >
> > They put no emphasis on precision over speed, for instance.
> >
> > The kind of person that works slowly but precisely and creatively scores
> > poorly in IQ tests.
>
> they also test for obedience
> jackie 'anakin' tokeman
How better to sort alphas, betas, gammas, deltas and epsilons?
--
Brock
"Put a $20 gold piece on my watch chain so the boys'll know I died
standin' pat"
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From: "Niels" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux Joke
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 15:46:16 +0100
The idea behind it is pretty Easy anyways, you find a bug, write an exploit
and upload a r00tkit...
Thats one box compremised, now the rootkit software you installed on machine
one, will check out the rest of the network for any bugged services running
and will use the exploit and upload the kits ( software ) automaticly on all
bugged machines it will find...sort of a worm like thing....
Making this stuff is hard work, but not complex, aslong you have and know
the exploits that is, so keep your software uptodate...
Another thing with uni's and ofcourse other big companies is that the
network walls are all "pretty save"
but the inside is one big mess, so getting behind the wall in one place will
be enough to take the whole place down.....its like putting all your armies
on the border of your country and non in your capital and forget that the
enemy knows how to use plains and parachutes..
If not updating is and EZ-HACK feature then your right, but i think people
who run unsecure services like
FTP en DNS services ( and others ofcourse ) should get on bugtraq lists and
maillinglists of the software they use, to see if new security updates have
been released or if there are problems at the moment.
Quazion.
Chad Myers heeft geschreven in bericht ...
>
>"Niels" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:98539a$efr$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>>
>> >> Never hacked, never down, never fail.
>> >
>> >You left off, respectively:
>> >Not worth hacking, never worked hard, no one would notice.
>>
>> Let me tell you that for some people every *nix box is worth hacking,
cause
>> they run major
>> DDoS networks with over 1000 or maybe even more r00t3d boXes to play
around
>> with...
>>
>> These guys wont leave any unsecure box around, i know of some UK cracker
>> group that seems to have scanned and rooted thousands of unsecure wuftpd
>> boxes, and DDoS irc servers with it...
>>
>> So maybe owners wont notice but other people do..!
>>
>> Talk, Listen, Think and talk again =)
>
>I've always maintained that Linux must have an EZ-HACK feature, judging
>by the ease in which "hackers" compromised entire university computer
>labs for their DDoS assault on Ebay, Amazon, Microsoft and several
>others last summer. It was reported that a large majority of the
>machines used in the attack were compromised Linux boxes.
>
>-c
>
>
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Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 06:43:45 -0800
From: Brock Hannibal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: What does IQ measure?
Edward Rosten wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Aaron Kulkis"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Edward Rosten wrote:
> >>
> >> > A true IQ test would have to involve pictures and patterns, and
> >> > perhaps have some mathematical basis, because these are the only
> >> > ideas that translate well all over the world.
> >>
> >> I don't believe there is a true IQ test. People are good at different
> >> thing.
> >
> > BULLSHIT.
> >
> > There is are VERY strong correlations between doing well on a
> > well-designed IQ test, and the ability to quickly learn and perform well
> > at any other randomly selected task. (Quickly as compared to the rate
> > at which an IQ 100 person [statistical mean] would learn).
>
> The only thing that IQ tests measure is how good you are at IQ tests.
That's something dumb people say.
> They put no emphasis on precision over speed, for instance.
Being able to think fast is a sign of higher cognitive processing
speed, which is a distinct advantage in most situations.
> The kind of person that works slowly but precisely and creatively scores
> poorly in IQ tests.
Give some examples of highly intelligent people like this.
--
Brock
"Put a $20 gold piece on my watch chain so the boys'll know I died
standin' pat"
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,alt.microsoft.sucks
Subject: Re: Crimosoft will get off scot-free
Date: 7 Mar 2001 14:48:38 GMT
On Tue, 6 Mar 2001 00:52:33, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bloody Viking) wrote:
>
> Alan ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>
> : Microsoft pays no federal taxes.
> : http://www.ecommercetimes.com/news/viewpoint2000/view-001012-1.shtml
>
> How did they manage that? Pay off the IRS to be classified as a religion?
>
Hint- the above-quoted http:// address provides an article for you to
read. Please read it.
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