Linux-Advocacy Digest #154, Volume #33 Wed, 28 Mar 01 06:13:04 EST
Contents:
Re: I regretfully conclude that Linux is a piece of CRAP. (Brian Rourke)
Re: Kulkis not Chad, Gates (was Re Unix/Linux Professionalism) (GreyCloud)
Re: Some OS security thoughts (Peter =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hlmann?=)
Re: communism (GreyCloud)
Re: OSX Links - (SamanthaJoy)
Re: communism ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
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From: Brian Rourke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: I regretfully conclude that Linux is a piece of CRAP.
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 03:21:53 -0700
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Wed, 28 Mar 2001 20:38:18 +1200, Matthew Gardiner
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In New Zealand, we hate large, bossy corporates that dictate what should happen,
>hence the
>reason why it never happen in New Zealand, it would be political suicide. Most tax
>cuts of the
>last 9 years have been for Jane and Joe average, not large corporates that produce
>nothing.
>With that being said, three companies come to mind, The Warehouse, Hubbards Foods and
>Mainfreight are three companies that pay their taxes, treat there employees with
>respect, and
>still turn over a bloody reasonable profit. Those are examples of companies that New
>Zealanders
>like. Unfortunately, there is a bottom-kissing-cultural inbred in the Yankee brain
>that makes
>them put large corporates on pedestals (for those who don't know, its a small chair),
>claiming
>how great they are, an example of this idiocy would be Microsoft, how many,
>uneducated idiots
>still put Microsoft on a soap box claiming how great they are?
>
I'm just outraged that you would say that bottom-kissing of
corporations is an inbred Yankee trait. Why, look at our current
President and our previous President. They would never kiss corporate
butt.
In the US some people are no doubt wondering right now why we don't
just get it overwith and make Gates President. After all, he's a
"winner" and a "leader." We like those.
;)
>A couple of days ago, a brewer (DB Brewers), which is a multi-billion dollar company,
>tried to
>close down one of its manufacturing plants in the West Coast (in the South Island,
>http://search.nzoom.com:9999/?NZoom+NZoomHTML+start0+quant10+search=Monteith for the
>full
>story), simply put, they were going to close down a very profitable plant just to
>save 20%, and
>move the production of the "boutique" beer up to Auckland, the locals got pissed off,
>and what
>do you know, a nation wide boycott of DB Products, after 3 days, they (DB) changed
>their tune,
>and have agreed to keep the plant open.
>
Very cool. Thanks for injecting a happy story into the thread.
Brian
The late spring sunshine flooded,
like a bursted tepid star,
the pink Boulevard. The people
beneath crawled like wounded insects
of cloth.
Wyndham Lewis
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Kulkis not Chad, Gates (was Re Unix/Linux Professionalism)
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 02:16:27 -0800
David Brown wrote:
>
> GreyCloud wrote in message ...
> >David Brown wrote:
> >>
> >> GreyCloud wrote in message ...
> >> >
> >> >Thats because we have one very important ingredient... FREEDOM!
> >> >We can either choose or not to choose without having a gun held to your
> >> >head.
> >> >Take a look at Cuba.. go live there and tell me its a good life. Food
> >> >problems, scrounging for very little goods, while one fat chicken fucker
> >> >Castro reaps the benefits of the poors' labor.
> >> >
> >>
> >> What do you mean by freedom? A Cuban today can critisise his/her
> government
> >> with much more freedom than Americans in the Macarthy days. Of all
> >> dictorships in the world, Cuba is probably the freest, and one that works
> >> hardest for the benifit of the people (just look at its health system -
> >> despite the lack of money and materials, it takes much better care of the
> >> poor than the US health system). In Cuba, there are great limitations
> such
> >> as the choice of goods in shops and the prospect of trade with other
> >> countries, but that the limits apply to the country as a whole. Cuba's
> main
> >> problems stem mostly from USA's inhumane oppression of the country.
> >
> >I have freedom to make as much money as I know how. I can live in the
> >lifestyle of my choosing.
>
> And those that don't know how are left behind in the dirt. The US system is
> obsessively money-oriented - more so than any other capatilist country.
>
> I am not trying to argue for or against capatilism or communism - each
> system has its advantages and disadvantages. But within these classes,
> there is a wide range of attitudes and philosophies. Cuba is a communist
> country which makes a great effort to care for its citizens - the USA is a
> capatilist country which takes great care to disregard its citizens'
> well-being entirely. After all, its a free country and a free market - if
> you can't afford your medical bill, try a cheaper hospital. And if you
> can't do that, you are free to choose a lifestyle with a high income so that
> you can afford treatment (spot the flaw in this reasoning).
>
> >I have observed nothing but squalor down
> >there. Only the U.S. does not do business with them. The other
> >countries do business with Cuba.
>
> The US forces other countries to comply with their arrogant and petty
> mallous towards Cuba. Yes, other countries can trade with Cuba, but the US
> makes sure it costs them.
>
> >So why hasn't the squalor been taken
> >care of?
>
> Um, because the US is trying to strangle the country? The US makes great
> noises about its love of freedom, but it seems to be very keen on forcing
> the rest of the world to follow its version of "freedom".
>
> >You call that good?? Why do we see our own Coast Guard
> >turning back Cubans on life rafts, boats, or whatever they are floating
> >on? Why are their own people leaving and risking their lives to
> >leave?? No one is stopping people leaving our borders. Think again
> >about the freedom issue. I have been in foreign countries and believe
> >me we got it made in this country as compared to a lot of others.
>
> In the US, there is the *potential* to have a better life and more money
> (same thing, really, in the US). Many people think it is worth the gamble,
> and move there from all over the world, from both capatist and communist
> countries. Most fail.
>
> >
> >> Don't make the mistake of judging all countries alike just because they
> have
> >> a dictator. Castro is not "reaping the benifits of the poor's labour" -
> >> even if he wanted to, he could not because he can't sell the country's
> >> products on a fair market. There are any number of other countries in
> South
> >> America and Africa with far more corrupt dictatorships which are well
> >> supported by the US and friends, just because they have the name
> "democracy"
> >> instead of "communism". Who cares that there is only one name allowed on
> >> the ballot paper, as long as they are not communist?
> >>
> >All countries are not alike. How would you know that Castro is not
> >reaping the benefits of his people?? I see no evidence of his people
> >living in a good lifestyle.
>
> Where is your evidence that Castro is living a good lifestyle? In many
> African countries (and in other parts of the world), the corruption is
> obvious - while most of the people starve, the president ("democratically"
> ellected by cutting off the hands of the opponent's supporters) lives in a
> grand palace with great luxury. But somehow this is OK for the US (and
> other western countries - Europe is not entirely blameless).
>
> >I've seen in Panama people that live in
> >squalor too. That gov. has taken a different path of money laundering.
> >Isn't it odd that the down town strip is loaded with Bank Of America,
> >Chase Manhatten, ETc. The shoe shine boys don't deposit their money
> >there and making the banks rich. The banks there get rich laundering
> >money. The world is a corrupt place, and I didn't make it I just try to
> >live in it. But I'd rather not live in any communist country.
>
> So Panama is very corrupt. What difference does that make to Cuba? Is
> Panama capatalist or communist (or something else entirely)?
>
> >
> >> And look at the US itself - the president is "elected" on the basis of
> being
> >> the richest and most manipulative, and having the right friends in the
> right
> >> places - so what if the other guy got more votes across the country as a
> >> whole?
> >
> >--
> >V
Well, IMO, it has always been an old mans war and a young mans fight.
When trouble erupts and other countries start whining and asking the
U.S. for help, its always the american blood that gets shed, not yours.
Maybe we ought to stay totally out of everything and go total
isolationist and let the rest fend for themselves. When China ever sees
that then the area your in will be dog meat. History has taught us a
lesson in that. WWI europeans came to this country trying to get this
so called isolationist country into that war. Many americans didn't
want to get involved, due to Thomas Jeffersons warnings about
entanglements with foreign states. WWII, caused by the results of WWI,
caused a hitler to be raised. What if we stayed out of that war too?
Still think NZ would be german speaking or japanese speaking today? I'm
looking at this from an idealist viewpoint. Here's where my tide
turns... this countrys' leaders aren't leading this country and they
have no choice in it. All too often I've heard of campaign promises
that were broken, ever since Lyndon Johnson. Every last gov. on this
planet is corrupt. In George Washingtons' vision he had, recorded in
the library of Congress, shown that a civil war would strike this
country, that two world wars would shake this country, and those have
came true.... the last one hasn't come true yet, and I now know that our
current path is one of destruction from the rest of the worlds hatred
toward this country. Historically, when a country leaves the Gold
standard it usually takes about 50 years for that country to fall. Not
much time left. In this country most people are in apathy for what
happens everyday and are becoming numb to current events.
But lets bury this subject... lets advocate Linux instead. That should
be a peaceful project.
--
V
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From: Peter =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hlmann?= <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Some OS security thoughts
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 10:15:03 +0200
Mike wrote:
>
> "Chad Everett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>>
>> If you find this e-mail program could you let me know? I have some
>> e-mail I'd like to send you.
>>
>
> Sigh. You're right: if computing is easy, only stupid people will use
> computers.
>
> What about my main point? That the email you send me shouldn't be
> relevant? That if I run something that could be insecure, there's some
> protection against harm? I could imagine all kinds of places that a
> protected subsystem would be useful.
>
> On the other hand, it's getting harder and harder to imagine it showing
> up in Unix.
>
It would show up, of all systems, first in unix / linux. There after all
even exist such concepts as "chroot". It would be probably not too easy
to implement something of that sort for email, but it should be possible.
But, I fear that really not too many people are convinced that this is a
desireable feature at all. I don�t need it, in addition I don�t want it.
Peter
--
Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: communism
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 02:23:13 -0800
"Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
>
> Barry Manilow wrote:
> >
> > GreyCloud wrote:
> > > >
> > > Got a better system??
> >
> > The problem is that capitalism is a highly flawed and evil system in
> > many ways but all of the alternatives have not worked out very well
>
> As opposed to the wonderful police states needed to prop up all of
> the "worker's paradises"...of which, every single one, the workers
> litterally risk their lives to escape..
>
> > either. I would say we are stuck with capitalism for now. The only
> > solution is some sort of Euro-style socialism/social democracy which
> > is nothing more than reforming capitalism to try to highlight its
> > excellent features while trying to regulate away a lot of its evil.
> > IOW, well-regulated capitalism.
>
> Ever been to a Communist country, asshole?
>
> They suck...and not only that....the citizens are quite aware of it.
>
> >
> > Back in 1917 during the Bolshevik revolution a
> > > lot of farmers were against communism... so what did the communists do?
> > > They rounded them up and killed them....
> >
> > I believe this was Stalin who did this, actually. And tarring all
> > bolsheviks by calling them Stalinists is incorrect.
>
> Name one Communist regime which doesn't have a history of shooting
> political opponents, and you *might* have an argument.
>
> Until that day comes, (if ever), you're merely whistling in the dark ASSHOLE!
>
> > the ultimate form of censorship
> > > and oppression. They ruled by fear.
> >
> > True but it is possible to have a Communist/Marxist democracy. Like
> > in Allende's Chile or under the Sandinistas.
> > >
> > > The communist system that started was a very corrupt system. The poor
> > > slaved while the rich ruled and were in power.
> >
> > This is highly false as far as many states go. Particularly in the
> > case of Cuba, Maoist China, etc. Anyway, this system you are
> > describing as corrupt in that the poor slave away while the rich rule
> > in power sounds like nothing more than capitalism as it is practiced
> > in most of the globe.
> > >
> > > Thats because we have one very important ingredient... FREEDOM!
> >
> > Yet Marxism can exist with freedom as is the case in Allende's Cuba,
> > states in Italy and India, etc.
> >
> > > We can either choose or not to choose without having a gun held to your
> > > head.
> >
> > Are you arguing that there is no such thing as a capitalist
> > dictatorship?
> >
> > > Take a look at Cuba.. go live there and tell me its a good life.
> >
> > Compared to the rest of Latin America and the Caribbean, Cubans do
> > have it pretty well. For one thing, they are all wired up for
> > electricity and sewage, and food and medical care is guaranteed within
> > the government's ability to provide it. Cuba is the only state in the
> > Hemisphere that has dedicated itself to providing work, food, housing,
> > access to cultural activities, public transit, utilities, medical
> > care, water, sewage piping, etc. to all of its citizens within its
> > limits. Many of the other countries in Latin America could easily
> > guarantee this basic necessities also but they just do not care. Even
> > the "wonderful" US does not guarantee basic necessities to its
> > citizens or even try. In that respect, Cuba is one of the most moral
> > countries on Earth, and is more moral than the US.
> >
> > Food
> > > problems,
> >
> > Well, until the special period, Cuba was on the verge of wiping out
> > child malnutrition. That is something that the US cannot even seem to
> > do, even in its vast wealth. This was around 1991. At this time,
> > figures showed that Cubans were the best-fed folks in Latin America
> > (highest caloric intake). Things have deteriorated since but the
> > state still tries to meet this goal the best it can. Note that not
> > one other state in the Hemisphere has dedicated itself to the prospect
> > that all citizens have a right to enough food to eat, even the wealthy
> > US.
> >
> > scrounging for very little goods,
> >
> > This is not really the case at all. If you go to Cuba, you will see
> > that most of the population is well-dressed and appears healthy. And
> > many Cubans have modern devices such as nice stereos, tv's,
> > cd-players, walkmen, etc. Many of these are for sale on people's
> > lawns as garage sales. Also, at times, clothing stores are
> > overflowing with decent clothing. And the farmer's markets have
> > plenty of goods, in fact they are overflowing. And if you go to the
> > rural areas, you will see something that you will not see in any other
> > country in Latin America: healthy, happy, well-clothed, well-fed
> > children! Is this such a difficult goal to accomplish?
> >
> > while one fat chicken fucker
> > > Castro reaps the benefits of the poors' labor.
> >
> > This is not true at all. Castro does not steal the people's wealth or
> > aggrandize himself in any way. A few officials do but you are going
> > to find this anywhere.
> > --
> > Bob
> > Being flamed? Don't know why? Take the Flame Questionnaire(TM)
> > today!
> > Why do you think you are being flamed?
> > [ ] You continued a long, stupid thread
> > [ ] You started an off-topic thread
> > [ ] You posted something totally uninteresting
> > [ ] People don't like your tone of voice
> > [ ] Other (describe)
> > [ ] None of the above
>
Whew!! And I thought mind-control didn't work! Boy, someone down there
has been totally brainwashed. I think your approach works better,
Aaron. It would be an endless postings with this one.
> --
> Aaron R. Kulkis
> Unix Systems Engineer
> DNRC Minister of all I survey
> ICQ # 3056642
>
> K: Truth in advertising:
> Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
> Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
> Special Interest Sierra Club,
> Anarchist Members of the ACLU
> Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
> The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
> Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
>
> J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
> The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
> also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
>
> I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
> challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
> between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
> Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
>
> H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
> premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
> you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
> you are lazy, stupid people"
>
> G: Knackos...you're a retard.
>
> F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
> adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
>
> E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
> her behavior improves.
>
> D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
> ...despite (C) above.
>
> C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
>
> B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
> method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
> direction that she doesn't like.
>
> A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
--
V
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From: SamanthaJoy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: OSX Links -
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 04:31:01 -0600
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Donn Miller
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Brent R wrote:
> >
> > Donn Miller wrote:
> >
> > > The bad thing, IMO, is that Apple is only interested in the Open
> > > Source
> > > initiative for their own benefit.
> >
> > Of course their only interested in open source for their own interest
> > you simpleton. They're a company and they're in this to make money, not
> > to be a fscking charity to basement hackers.
>
> Red Hat and SuSE are in this to make money also. Red Hat is a
> distributor of Open source software who is in open source industry for a
> profit, and they actively contribute back to OSS by paying people to
> hack the Linux kernel.
And Apple has contributed the first consistant user interface for UNIX.
Top to Bottom... Aqua is the dream for a clean Linux UI...
http://www.apple.com/macosx/tour/finder.html
I really don't think Apple is "out to make money" with Darwin, Apple has
never been much into "materialism" like a MicroSoft. The whole idea has
been to build a "great computer" for friends. The roots of Apple are the
same as the Linux community, but with excellent hardware. SAMI
http://www.apple.com/macosx/tour/darwin.html
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: communism
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 05:42:09 -0500
GreyCloud wrote:
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> >
> > Barry Manilow wrote:
> > >
> > > GreyCloud wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > Got a better system??
> > >
> > > The problem is that capitalism is a highly flawed and evil system in
> > > many ways but all of the alternatives have not worked out very well
> >
> > As opposed to the wonderful police states needed to prop up all of
> > the "worker's paradises"...of which, every single one, the workers
> > litterally risk their lives to escape..
> >
> > > either. I would say we are stuck with capitalism for now. The only
> > > solution is some sort of Euro-style socialism/social democracy which
> > > is nothing more than reforming capitalism to try to highlight its
> > > excellent features while trying to regulate away a lot of its evil.
> > > IOW, well-regulated capitalism.
> >
> > Ever been to a Communist country, asshole?
> >
> > They suck...and not only that....the citizens are quite aware of it.
> >
> > >
> > > Back in 1917 during the Bolshevik revolution a
> > > > lot of farmers were against communism... so what did the communists do?
> > > > They rounded them up and killed them....
> > >
> > > I believe this was Stalin who did this, actually. And tarring all
> > > bolsheviks by calling them Stalinists is incorrect.
> >
> > Name one Communist regime which doesn't have a history of shooting
> > political opponents, and you *might* have an argument.
> >
> > Until that day comes, (if ever), you're merely whistling in the dark ASSHOLE!
> >
> > > the ultimate form of censorship
> > > > and oppression. They ruled by fear.
> > >
> > > True but it is possible to have a Communist/Marxist democracy. Like
> > > in Allende's Chile or under the Sandinistas.
> > > >
> > > > The communist system that started was a very corrupt system. The poor
> > > > slaved while the rich ruled and were in power.
> > >
> > > This is highly false as far as many states go. Particularly in the
> > > case of Cuba, Maoist China, etc. Anyway, this system you are
> > > describing as corrupt in that the poor slave away while the rich rule
> > > in power sounds like nothing more than capitalism as it is practiced
> > > in most of the globe.
> > > >
> > > > Thats because we have one very important ingredient... FREEDOM!
> > >
> > > Yet Marxism can exist with freedom as is the case in Allende's Cuba,
> > > states in Italy and India, etc.
> > >
> > > > We can either choose or not to choose without having a gun held to your
> > > > head.
> > >
> > > Are you arguing that there is no such thing as a capitalist
> > > dictatorship?
> > >
> > > > Take a look at Cuba.. go live there and tell me its a good life.
> > >
> > > Compared to the rest of Latin America and the Caribbean, Cubans do
> > > have it pretty well. For one thing, they are all wired up for
> > > electricity and sewage, and food and medical care is guaranteed within
> > > the government's ability to provide it. Cuba is the only state in the
> > > Hemisphere that has dedicated itself to providing work, food, housing,
> > > access to cultural activities, public transit, utilities, medical
> > > care, water, sewage piping, etc. to all of its citizens within its
> > > limits. Many of the other countries in Latin America could easily
> > > guarantee this basic necessities also but they just do not care. Even
> > > the "wonderful" US does not guarantee basic necessities to its
> > > citizens or even try. In that respect, Cuba is one of the most moral
> > > countries on Earth, and is more moral than the US.
> > >
> > > Food
> > > > problems,
> > >
> > > Well, until the special period, Cuba was on the verge of wiping out
> > > child malnutrition. That is something that the US cannot even seem to
> > > do, even in its vast wealth. This was around 1991. At this time,
> > > figures showed that Cubans were the best-fed folks in Latin America
> > > (highest caloric intake). Things have deteriorated since but the
> > > state still tries to meet this goal the best it can. Note that not
> > > one other state in the Hemisphere has dedicated itself to the prospect
> > > that all citizens have a right to enough food to eat, even the wealthy
> > > US.
> > >
> > > scrounging for very little goods,
> > >
> > > This is not really the case at all. If you go to Cuba, you will see
> > > that most of the population is well-dressed and appears healthy. And
> > > many Cubans have modern devices such as nice stereos, tv's,
> > > cd-players, walkmen, etc. Many of these are for sale on people's
> > > lawns as garage sales. Also, at times, clothing stores are
> > > overflowing with decent clothing. And the farmer's markets have
> > > plenty of goods, in fact they are overflowing. And if you go to the
> > > rural areas, you will see something that you will not see in any other
> > > country in Latin America: healthy, happy, well-clothed, well-fed
> > > children! Is this such a difficult goal to accomplish?
> > >
> > > while one fat chicken fucker
> > > > Castro reaps the benefits of the poors' labor.
> > >
> > > This is not true at all. Castro does not steal the people's wealth or
> > > aggrandize himself in any way. A few officials do but you are going
> > > to find this anywhere.
> > > --
> > > Bob
> > > Being flamed? Don't know why? Take the Flame Questionnaire(TM)
> > > today!
> > > Why do you think you are being flamed?
> > > [ ] You continued a long, stupid thread
> > > [ ] You started an off-topic thread
> > > [ ] You posted something totally uninteresting
> > > [ ] People don't like your tone of voice
> > > [ ] Other (describe)
> > > [ ] None of the above
> >
>
> Whew!! And I thought mind-control didn't work! Boy, someone down there
> has been totally brainwashed. I think your approach works better,
> Aaron. It would be an endless postings with this one.
>
He's a true believer.
The only cure is about 130 grains of copper-jacketed lead.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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