Linux-Advocacy Digest #168, Volume #33 Wed, 28 Mar 01 21:13:05 EST
Contents:
Re: Microsoft abandoning USB? (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Distractions, Distractions -- tsk tsk (T. Max Devlin)
Re: New worm infests Linux machines/Exposes root backdoor (T. Max Devlin)
Re: New worm infests Linux machines/Exposes root backdoor (T. Max Devlin)
Re: New worm infests Linux machines/Exposes root backdoor (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Linux dying (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Linux dying (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Arrrrgh! Hoist the Jolly Roger! (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Linux dying (Bob Hauck)
Re: Microsoft abandoning USB? (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Linux dying (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: Kulkis not Chad, Gates (was Re Unix/Linux Professionalism) (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Communism (T. Max Devlin)
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsoft abandoning USB?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 01:40:47 GMT
Said Chad Myers in alt.destroy.microsoft on Wed, 28 Mar 2001 18:35:29
>"Dave Martel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>>
>> MS cools to USB 2.0, warms to 1394
>> <http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/2/17919.html>
>
>Typical Register disinformation.
>
>1. Windows had 1394 support in Windows 98. It has it in Windows ME,
>and in Windows 2000, so I don't know what the Register is smoking.
Please, give us details. We'd love to see just what constitutes
"support" in these various implementations, so as to understand just
what lies you're pushing here.
>2. USB 2.0 isn't all that great in the first place.
Why, its the Microsoft line, to be sure. You always were the *quickest*
sock puppet, Chad, even if you aren't as smart as Erik.
>MS will end up
>supporting it just like they do with every other piece of hardware,
>but it's very smart for them to focus on FireWire for digital video
>and audio editing and viewing, simply because FireWire is much
>better. USB (even 2.0) is great for keyboards, mice, web cams,
>small removable storage devices (like compact flash, etc), but it
>sucks horribly for video or any continuously high-bandwidth application.
Well, that sounds far too much like a technically valid argument.
Microsoft doesn't bother their "Press Pass" spin-meisters with trivial
shit like that. There must be something more to it. A bone thrown to
Apple, and also a backhand to some PC OEMs, perhaps?
>> 1394 chiefs back 5C's copy controls
>> <http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/17845.html>
>>
>> In a nutshell: MS wants to get into end-to-end content protection with
>> their Secure PC strategy. USB 2.0 doesn't offer the necessary
>> content-control features for peripherals but the latest 1394
>> (Firewire) standards do - see the second URL above.
>>
>> So... it looks like all those consumers and hardware manufacturers who
>> have been jumping into USB peripherals at Microsoft's urging will soon
>> be unable to use that equipment to play/monitor content-protected
>> media, even though they own the original media.
>
>Nice FUD spin.
The Register:
" And with USB 2.0 pushing the bus' bandwidth to beyond the 1394's
current specification, Intel's spin has very much been that USB is for
the PC world"
Microsoft:
"I think people are going to want to have 1394 connectors on their PCs
and mobile devices so they can get video in and out of their PCs
quickly."
>MS encourages USB support for things like web cams and keyboards,
>but the industry is adopting FireWire for digital media. MS will
>ultimately support media rights on USB because FireWire just
>isn't as ubiquitous as USB because of it's exaggerated price.
Notice the sock puppet's advantageous use of the opportunity to mention
"media rights"; we know *he's* being paying attention at the briefings.
>> Which brings us to another semi-related story on the same site:
>>
>> Gates plans invisible, automatic updates for WinXP users
>> <http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/17944.html>
>>
>> Looks like Windows Update is also going to be less of an option under
>> Windows XP. I found this comment towards the end of interest:
>>
>> "...He did say quite recently that he'd be using a signed driver
>> system with a regularly updated revocation list to stop you copying
>> digital music you didn't own, and by making himself custodian and
>> approver of the hardware drivers, he might somehow also find himself
>> relating this to the hardware mods he's planning in the future Secure
>> PC."
>
>Typical of Register to mix personal opinion with "news".
Also know as "news and analysis", an absolute evil, except when
Microsoft does it.
>The fact is, Windows Update won't be automatic (you still have to go to
>get updates) and that Service Packs will still be issued so that SA's
>can deploy them corporate wide.
Other than being omniscient, its pretty stupid of you to talk about what
"fact" is when discussing the future. Think of it from our perspective;
we haven't been attending regular sock puppet briefings from Microsoft
as you have. How are we to know that the Register's speculations are
*never* going to be the case, other than Microsoft's claims, which
frankly aren't worth the virtual paper they're virtually printed on?
>Another example of why not to read the Register.
Oh, yes, you should always avoid reading what disturbs you.
>I typically don't read
>overly biased "news" outlets, or outlets with an agenda. Register fits
>both of these.
While the Microsoft PressPass pages are the epitome of rational
discourse, eh?
--
T. Max Devlin
*** The best way to convince another is
to state your case moderately and
accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Distractions, Distractions -- tsk tsk
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 01:40:47 GMT
Said Scot Mc Pherson in alt.destroy.microsoft on Wed, 28 Mar 2001
18:47:36 GMT;
> You bring up a very very interesting point. I am not sure how many
>people might have come up with the same conclusions about MSs "inside"
>stance on piracy. On the public front they seem to fight piracy with
>everything they have. Perhaps this is a ruse of sorts, similar in effect to
>the "moon landing hoax rumors and discussions". [...]
TBH, I don't recall any profit motive involved in moon landing hoax
rumors and discussions. OTOH, MS's public front on piracy is definitely
a ruse, but not because it is at all useful to them, as "HIM" wrote. It
is a front because they are using it not to combat piracy, but to
extract monopoly profits.
--
T. Max Devlin
*** The best way to convince another is
to state your case moderately and
accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: New worm infests Linux machines/Exposes root backdoor
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 01:40:48 GMT
Said Chad Myers in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Wed, 28 Mar 2001 18:42:22
>"Scot Mc Pherson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
[...]
>> Personally I reboot my WinBox everymorning. Why?
>
>Because you don't know what the hell you're doing, or you're an idiot.
BWAH-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA!
--
T. Max Devlin
*** The best way to convince another is
to state your case moderately and
accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: New worm infests Linux machines/Exposes root backdoor
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 01:40:49 GMT
Said Chad Myers in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Wed, 28 Mar 2001 18:39:13
>"GreyCloud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
[...]
>> Thats what I thought. I had an older distro on my box but an app in X
>> froze up, so I alt-F1 to get a virtual terminal, logged in as root, did
>> a ps -ax and found the ID of that process and killed it. Logged out of
>> root, did an alt-F(?) (forgot) and back in to my original X gui and
>> everything was back again. Its one of the best features I've found and
>> not in any other O/S that I know of.
>
>Of course, 99% of the time when X freezes, it's usually a complete system
>freeze and ALT+F1 doesn't do anything.
BWAH-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA!
--
T. Max Devlin
*** The best way to convince another is
to state your case moderately and
accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: New worm infests Linux machines/Exposes root backdoor
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 01:40:50 GMT
Said Chad Myers in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Wed, 28 Mar 2001 18:37:58
>"GreyCloud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
[...]
>> * Have You Heard...Compaq has been left red faced by a defacement
>> double whammy as two of its sub domains were vandalized by two
>> different hacking groups?
[...]
>> http://www.vnunet.com/News/1119535
>
>The headline should be "Lazy administrators get their site hacked"
>How is this news again?
BWAH-HA-HA-HA-HA!
--
T. Max Devlin
*** The best way to convince another is
to state your case moderately and
accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux dying
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 01:40:51 GMT
Said WesTralia in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Wed, 28 Mar 2001 12:16:39
-0600;
>Chad Everett wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, 27 Mar 2001 00:54:12 GMT, Chad Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >
>> >"Chad Everett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> >>
>> >> Of course, none of Microsoft's HailStorm and .NET strategies have anything
>> >> at all to do with providing users with better products or computing power
>> >> and use, it's all about getting more control to Microsoft.
>> >
>> >WATCH OUT! HERE COME THE BLACK HELIOCOPTERS!
>> >
>> >> Will .NET benefit users: no.
>> >
>> >Let's see, getting real time flight information, being able to notify
>> >my loved ones 30 minutes before I land so that they can come pick me up,
>> >being instant messaged when I'm outbid on an auction, getting real-time
>> >customer support chat with an American Express customer support
>> >representative...
>> >nah, that doesn't benefit the consumers at all!
>> >
>> >
>>
>> This is taken directly from microsoft.com and it's .NET hype pages:
>>
>> " Activities that are still hard now-like reconciling statements
>> from a number of different banks, credit-card companies, and billing
>> agents so that you can pay your bills and file your expense reports-will
>> become much easier as user data can be linked across sites and applications.
>> ...Their data will live securely on the Internet."
>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>
>> Now really, does the idea of putting all your banking, credit-card,
>> social-security, etc. info to live "securely on the Internet" (i.e.Microsoft
>> hard drive somewhere), really sound like a good idea to you? How about
>> just giving that information to me. I'll take good care of it. Honest.
>
>
>Microsoft is just an outright riot! These people know nothing about
>network security and they want people to put personal data on the Internet!
>MS can't even secure their own corporate network -- not to mention
>all the VB script kiddies bringing MS based networks world wide to
>a grinding halt.
>
>The sad thing about all this is if the corporate world takes to .NET like
>ducks to water, we are all in for a very dark period in computing in the
>foreseeable future.
Its not an issue of security though; the problem isn't that others will
have access to your configuration data. The problem is that you "might"
have access to your configuration data, and that is an issue of
reliability. Not that that's ever been one of MS's strong suits.
--
T. Max Devlin
*** The best way to convince another is
to state your case moderately and
accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux dying
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 01:40:52 GMT
Said Chad Myers in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Wed, 28 Mar 2001 18:47:08
>"WesTralia" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> Chad Myers wrote:
>> >
>> > "Chad Everett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> >
>> > > Will .NET benefit users: no.
>> >
>> > Let's see, getting real time flight information, being able to notify
>> > my loved ones 30 minutes before I land so that they can come pick me up,
>> > being instant messaged when I'm outbid on an auction, getting real-time
>> > customer support chat with an American Express customer support
>> > representative...
>> > nah, that doesn't benefit the consumers at all!
>> >
>>
>>
>> Psssssssst... Mr Myers... all that technology is already in place and
>> available, today!
>
>Psst: no it isn't.
>
>Please show me where I can have my relatives instant messaged when my
>plane is nearing landing.
.NET provides this?
>Please show me where I can get real time chat with a customer support
>rep from a major company from MY messenger, not their chumpy web site
>chat.
.NET provides this?
>Please show me where I can get eBay or another auction site to instant
>message me when I've been outbid, or I can check my bids right from
>one location without having to go their web site?
.NET provides this?
>Please show me where all this infrastructure for businesses to work
>together to provide a single point for the consumer to work with them.
>Where is this framework?
Unix.
>There is none. MS .NET, Sun One, and IBM's WebServices are all in development
>and MS has the head start.
I think the real question is, "Is being brain-dead the same thing as
having no imagination?"
--
T. Max Devlin
*** The best way to convince another is
to state your case moderately and
accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Arrrrgh! Hoist the Jolly Roger!
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 01:40:53 GMT
Said Edward Rosten in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Wed, 28 Mar 2001
19:40:17 +0100;
>> >From what I've heard, down in Autralia, a group of people sued Toshiba.
>> >They wanted a refund on the microsoft O/S as they didn't want that O/S.
>> >They wanted Linux instead.
>> >Toshiba refunded!
>>
>> That's an urban legend. The real story is more interesting. Do some
>> research.
>
>And that would be....?
That would be research. I have no authority on the matter, other than
my personal knowledge, which hardly classifies as research. But *after*
the research is done, I'll tell you that it was actually a bunch of
people getting duped by MS, after misreading their license "agreement",
and attempting to make a media event from it. Unfortunately, they
misrepresented the grievance, because they misunderstood the crime. So
after the research is done, I'll be happy to discuss it, but I'm not
going to tell you that I "know" what happened.
--
T. Max Devlin
*** The best way to convince another is
to state your case moderately and
accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
------------------------------
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Hauck)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux dying
Reply-To: bobh = haucks dot org
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 01:43:57 GMT
On Wed, 28 Mar 2001 23:38:39 GMT, Chad Myers
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>"WesTralia" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> Chad Myers wrote:
>> > Please show me where I can have my relatives instant messaged when my
>> > plane is nearing landing.
>> telephone
>LOL, right. This is an automatic service? Where can I sign up for this
>so that the airline notifies them via telephone?
Every plane I've been on in the last few years (excepting commuter
flights) has had phones on the backs of the seats. You can just call
them yourself. Yeah, it costs money. Do you suppose this wonderful
notification service will be free?
>Ok, now back to the real world, where can I have this done through
>an instant messenging service or otherwise through the computer?
So your relatives are going to sit around online waiting for the
message? Down below you say they have only one phone line.
Ok, if you really want to do this, those same phones usually have a data
port. Hook up your laptop or pda and send them an email.
>> > Please show me where I can get real time chat with a customer support
>> telephone
>Which means I have to disconnect from the internet,
What? You don't have a separate line for the net? Or DSL or a cable
modem? Man, I thought I was behind the times with my 56K dialup, and
here the king of "gotta have the latest" has only one phone line!
><sigh> You just don't get it...
I think it is you who isn't getting it. The amount that people will be
willing to pay for the services you listed is pretty small. It will be
difficult to make a profit on it.
--
-| Bob Hauck
-| To Whom You Are Speaking
-| http://www.haucks.org/
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsoft abandoning USB?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 01:44:17 GMT
(Additional follow-up)
Said Chad Myers in alt.destroy.microsoft on Wed, 28 Mar 2001 18:35:29
>"Dave Martel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>>
>> MS cools to USB 2.0, warms to 1394
>> <http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/2/17919.html>
>
>Typical Register disinformation.
[...]
>> Gates plans invisible, automatic updates for WinXP users
>> <http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/17944.html>
>>
>> Looks like Windows Update is also going to be less of an option under
>> Windows XP. I found this comment towards the end of interest:
>>
>> "...He did say quite recently that he'd be using a signed driver
>> system with a regularly updated revocation list to stop you copying
>> digital music you didn't own, and by making himself custodian and
>> approver of the hardware drivers, he might somehow also find himself
>> relating this to the hardware mods he's planning in the future Secure
>> PC."
>
>Typical of Register to mix personal opinion with "news".
>
>The fact is, Windows Update won't be automatic (you still have to go to
>get updates) and that Service Packs will still be issued so that SA's
>can deploy them corporate wide.
What I found most enjoyable was this line:
"But personally, I'd be a lot happier about this if the storekeeper
didn't have those funny eyes."
>Another example of why not to read the Register. I typically don't read
>overly biased "news" outlets, or outlets with an agenda. Register fits
>both of these.
Followed by, "Microsoft's first take on Windows Update sent quite a few
corporate IT people ballistic, and also dragged forced registration in
as well. People who wanted to install service packs on multiple machines
weren't best-pleased about having to do it online to Update, one machine
at a time, and there was a period where Microsoft seemed to be
deliberately choking off availability of downloadable or CD delivered
service packs. Which is how my doppelganger, William H Spam III, came to
be a registered user of Office 97, but that's another story."
Definitely an agenda. Bwah-ha-ha-ha-ha.
--
T. Max Devlin
*** The best way to convince another is
to state your case moderately and
accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux dying
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 01:48:21 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, WesTralia
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote
on Wed, 28 Mar 2001 11:59:50 -0600
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>Chad Myers wrote:
>>
>> "Chad Everett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>>
>> > Will .NET benefit users: no.
>>
>> Let's see, getting real time flight information, being able to notify
>> my loved ones 30 minutes before I land so that they can come pick me up,
>> being instant messaged when I'm outbid on an auction, getting real-time
>> customer support chat with an American Express customer support
>> representative...
>> nah, that doesn't benefit the consumers at all!
>>
>
>
>Psssssssst... Mr Myers... all that technology is already in place and
>available, today!
<Windows_advocate>
Exactly, because .NET is being deployed even as we speak. :-)
</Windows_advocate>
>
>Sheesh... next you'll be jumping up and down with excitement over the
>combustion engine.
That's going to run .NET, too. It'll have to; the credit card company
will undoubtedly want to know what kinds of fuel are compatible with
it so that the gas pump will automatically select the correct one,
a form of just-in-time fuel refinement. If the credit is low,
one won't get gas. :-)
The police will also be interested, should the car be reported stolen.
The .NET server on the engine will immediately disable the vehicle and
the built-in GPS system will of course report the car's location for
rescue and/or apprehension.
.NET will be useful in a lot of other places, as well. For example,
Nielsen will want to know what TV shows are being watched, for proper
compensation of advertisers. Or perhaps advertisers can be immediately
notified that person A is watching TV show B, and target their pitches
automatically. .NET-aware cameras can be fed into automatic computers
which can detect whether a person is authorized to perform a certain
action, such as entering a building or a vehicle. (Yes, people will
be wearing .NET-aware cell phones.)
.NET. Building Tomorrow's Big Brother Today.
[.sigsnip]
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- and everyone will love Big Brother just before they die...
EAC code #191 52d:00h:04m actually running Linux.
This is not a .sig.
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Kulkis not Chad, Gates (was Re Unix/Linux Professionalism)
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 01:48:47 GMT
Said Aaron R. Kulkis in alt.destroy.microsoft on Wed, 28 Mar 2001
17:49:28 -0500;
>WesTralia wrote:
>>
>> "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
>> >
>> > "T. Max Devlin" wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Said Aaron R. Kulkis in alt.destroy.microsoft on Mon, 26 Mar 2001
>> > > >"T. Max Devlin" wrote:
>> > > >>
>> > > >> Said Aaron R. Kulkis in alt.destroy.microsoft on Sat, 24 Mar 2001
>> > > >> >"T. Max Devlin" wrote:
>> > > >> [...]
>> > > >> >> >Those that doubt the ease with which this can be accomplished are barking
>> > > >> >> >up the wrong tree.
>> > > >> >>
>> > > >> >> I don't think anyone here doubts the ease with which it can be
>> > > >> >> accomplished, and many are familiar with the necessary technique. That
>> > > >> >> doesn't make it any less of a lie, Aaron, for you to say you've done
>> > > >> >> this, when apparently that is a fabrication. Simple as it may be,
>> > > >> >> there's not even a smidgeon of a hint of a reason to believe you when
>> > > >> >> you say you've already done it. Not anymore.
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> >I command you to JUMP!
>> > > >>
>> > > >> That doesn't even work in real life, Aaron. Get some help. You do
>> > > >> deserve it. You're a very intelligent man.
>> > > >
>> > > >So, you concede that just because someone on USENET tells you to do
>> > > >something is *NOT* sufficient reason to obey their instructions.
>> > >
>> > > The point is not at issue. If I had the ability to do it, and were you,
>> > > I'd have sufficient reason to demonstrate I could, to silence my
>> > > detractors. You, on the other hand, will insist this isn't the decision
>> > > you've made, in a fruitless effort to disguise the fact that you can't
>> > > comply, so its not an issue of whether you would 'obey'.
>> > >
>> >
>> > Then why didn't you jump when I told you to do so?
>> >
>>
>> It's too funny watching a Wintendo98 luser squirming.
>>
>> Tell us again, Aaron, just how changing that string in your
>> news reader provides you with security? I love your explanation.
>> Go beyond the "security through obfuscation" dance routine, please.
>>
>
>On my command...JUMP!
And thus we learn of the true origins of Aaron's sig: all the times he
wimped out.
--
T. Max Devlin
*** The best way to convince another is
to state your case moderately and
accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Communism
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 01:53:04 GMT
Said Aaron R. Kulkis in alt.destroy.microsoft on Wed, 28 Mar 2001
17:28:06 -0500;
>"T. Max Devlin" wrote:
>>
>> Said GreyCloud in alt.destroy.microsoft on Wed, 28 Mar 2001 01:56:28
>> >[...]Eventually,
>> >capitalism will slowly topple the communist system.
>>
>> Didn't they teach any of you little boys in school that capitalism is an
>> economic system, as is socialism, while communism is a political system,
>> as is democracy? Please, no one-dimensional thinking to explain the
>> error: just admit it is an error and think harder about your opinion.
>> Just because your own carefully learned bigotries prevents you from
>> seeing the two distinctly doesn't mean you should encourage the same
>> prejudice in others.
>>
>
>Communism is an extreme form of socialism, inextribly linked to
>totalitarianism.
You have no more valid a right to define anything in such a manner as
the average street person, Aaron.
Communism is a political system, socialism is an economic system. If we
presume they are linked, then we sacrifice the definition of either, and
while you may be willing to descend into such a quagmire of prejudice, I
insist on believing that all men, even ones as stupid as you, are acting
rationally.
--
T. Max Devlin
*** The best way to convince another is
to state your case moderately and
accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
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