Linux-Advocacy Digest #203, Volume #33 Fri, 30 Mar 01 23:13:04 EST
Contents:
Re: Linux needs a standard, user proof distro ("green")
Re: Linux needs a standard, user proof distro ("green")
Re: Stress Co-operation, not Hateful Competition (Wodger)
Re: ATTN: Outlook Express Users and Virus's (Matthew Gardiner)
Re: Fun With Parallel Ports. (Bloody Viking)
Re: Earn some money with Linux ("Benjamin Lvovsky")
Re: Communism (redc1c4)
Re: Why does Open Source exist, and what way is it developing? (Jasper)
Re: My take on GPLed code as free software (was: Richard Stallman (Austin Ziegler)
Re: ATA standards ("Paolo Ciambotti")
LINUX informational page (MerefBast)
Re: Earn some money with Linux (Wodger)
Re: All your PCI slot are belong to Microsoft. ("Paolo Ciambotti")
Re: MS patents ones and zeros... (GreyCloud)
Re: US Navy carrier to adopt Win2k infrastructure ("Chad Myers")
Re: Earn some money with Linux (GreyCloud)
Re: German armed forces ban MS software <gloat!> (Michael Vester)
Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, and lies about free software (David Kankiewicz)
Re: Microsoft has gone insane (Carbon)
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From: "green" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux needs a standard, user proof distro
Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 12:13:27 +1000
Ok thanks.
"Matthew Gardiner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Sorry, I don't have any stats on me, however, when I was running KDE 1.1.2
and
> Xfree86 3.3.6, it was very slow, graphics was crappy. However, when I
upgraded
> the x server and kde, it was more responsive, stable and the graphics was
> clearer and smooth.
>
> Matthew Gardiner
>
> green wrote:
>
> > > > - A GUI that's feels lighter and faster.
> > >
> > > Well, as long as you have the latest version (Xfree 4.03) installed,
both
> > > GUI's are very light. The first version of KDE was mega bloated,
slow,
> > and
> > > used a tonne of memory, however, it has gradually matured into a
pretty
> > > good desktop. Also, depending upon what distro you choose,
> >
> > have you got any figures relating to kde 1.2.x and 2.x relating to
memory
> > usage, hard disk usage.
> >
> > not because I don't beleve you. I just weighing up wether to upgrade or
not.
> > space and memory is limited and kde 1 and 2 may not exist together as
they
> > require diffrent versions of qt and the versions don't overlap. So it
would
> > be one way.
> >
> > Thanks for any pointers. compiling for me is not a option. I don't have
the
> > space.
>
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From: "green" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux needs a standard, user proof distro
Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 12:16:49 +1000
>
> I just wish the Mac people would port OSX to the PC and sell the OSX
separately.
>
> In fact, that's my quiestion for the day: why don't they?
>
because that might invite microsoft to develop windows for the Mac :)
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From: Wodger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Stress Co-operation, not Hateful Competition
Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 12:18:54 +1000
"Adrian Pepper [MFCF]" wrote:
>
> Okay, so I just saw on my boss' screen the picture of a giant Tux
> squashing the Microsoft buildings like he was Godzilla.
>
> I thought it looked pretty funny,
>
> But realistically, there is no reason Linux can't and shouldn't be
> touted as a complementary aid to Microsoft Windows use, as opposed to a
> competive adversary.
I agree absolutely. I run a bunch of servers on my FreeBSD machine and
use windoze as a front end. There are simply many good end-user
applications available for windoze. OTOH I would rather not use it to
run Apache, Squid, PostgreSQL, DNS, SMB, NFS, etc.
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From: Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: ATTN: Outlook Express Users and Virus's
Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 14:16:07 +1200
Use a valid email address to make yourselfa accountable for you posting.
Matthew Gardiner
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Fri, 30 Mar 2001 16:59:49 +1200, Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Very important news regarding outlook express:
> >
> >
> >http://www.satirewire.com/news/0103/outlook.shtml
> >
>
> Take it to a newsgroup that gives a flying fuck.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bloody Viking)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Fun With Parallel Ports.
Date: 31 Mar 2001 02:22:43 GMT
green ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: lost that ability in win 95.
Allegedly, somewhere in a subdir of C:\WINDOWS you can find the QBASIC.EXE but
it's damn near an easter egg hidden in a dir for old DOS stuff.
I have no idea if you can multitask a QBASIC proggie with Winblows 95. I never
tried it. But I do know that you can multitask all you want on Linux, only so
long as you are even minimally creative. At worst, put the proggie on another
virtual terminal.
I only recently found out how to get a parallel port light show to work on a
PC, so my development should be quick on Linux. Previously, I had it working
on a Commodore 64.
--
FOOD FOR THOUGHT: 100 calories are used up in the course of a mile run.
The USDA guidelines for dietary fibre is equal to one ounce of sawdust.
The liver makes the vast majority of the cholesterol in your bloodstream.
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From: "Benjamin Lvovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Earn some money with Linux
Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 02:25:05 GMT
OK. That's cool. But do Linux people actually BUY software? Everyone got
used to get it for free. Except $5 CDs because it's cheaper to buy then to
download and burn;) "FREE" software kills the market. It kills itself.
"Bob Hauck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Fri, 30 Mar 2001 14:02:46 GMT, Benjamin Lvovsky
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Do you mean I can I sell compiled with say G++ executables without
> > providing the source code? I thought GPL and other licences do not
> > allow that.
>
> You can't modify g++ and sell that without providing source code. But
> you can certainly compile your own code with g++ and keep it
> proprietary. The GNU toolset is widely used in embedded systems, to
> give one example of using g++ for proprietary projects.
>
> --
> -| Bob Hauck
> -| Codem Systems, Inc.
> -| http://www.codem.com/
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From: redc1c4 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: "delete the \".ies\""
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,us.military.army
Subject: Re: Communism
Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 02:32:06 GMT
Barry Manilow wrote:
(snipage occurs)
> Most of the priests and nuns supported the FMLN anyway. :)
yup, and they will have to answer to THEIR chain of command for that.
redc1c4,
BTW, didja want to eat the ugly stick, or did someone feed it to ya?
--
"Enlisted men are stupid, but extremely cunning and
sly, and bear considerable watching."
Army Officers Guide
PMD
EOM
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jasper)
Subject: Re: Why does Open Source exist, and what way is it developing?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 02:31:21 GMT
This would have to be one of the silliest things I've yet read on the
net. All data indicates technology breeds technology.
The main difference between the first half of 1900 and the last half
is we are so inundated with new technologies that we take them for
granted and have become somewhat blas� about it all.
On Thu, 29 Mar 2001 11:00:01 +1200, Matthew Gardiner
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Have you noticed over the last 50-100 years, the number of cures (for diseases) and
>ideas have
>drastically dropped as the number of patents have increased? something to think about.
>
>Matthew Gardiner
>
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Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,misc.int-property
From: Austin Ziegler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: My take on GPLed code as free software (was: Richard Stallman
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 21:36:55 -0500
On 30 Mar 2001, Rob S. Wolfram wrote:
> Les Mikesell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> If something can't be distributed to you, how do you manage to use it?
> You can't. Does that make distributing and using the same thing? Does
> that mean that GPLed software cannot be distributed at all?
In the case of GPLed software, extension and distribution are a form of
use. Others have contested this -- but it's a reality, not a
supposition.
-f
--
austin ziegler * Ni bhionn an rath ach mar a mbionn an smacht
Toronto.ON.ca * (There is no Luck without Discipline)
=================* I speak for myself alone
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From: "Paolo Ciambotti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: ATA standards
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 19:44:34 -0800
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Andy Walker"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I read in a Linux mag the other day a report about the ATA standards
> people debating embedding systems to prevent copying of DVD's etc. From
> what I could make of this short article worried me. Is it just my
> imagination or are companies deliberately releasing file formats into
> the public domain to get them into common use and then demanding money
> when they become popular? GIF's were as common as muck a few years ago
> only for a company to pop up and claim copyright over the format then
> demand money for the usage of it. The same seems to be true of MPEG and
> now BT claim they own HTML! While I have no problem with copyrights, I
> do get pissed of with companies deliberately misleading the public. If a
> company gave away cars for nothing and then demanded payment for them
> six months later, there would be a riot, so why is it happening in the
> computer industry?
>
>
Oh no, this is far worse than the GIF issue. GIFS are a simple matter of
patent infringement.
What you are referring to with respect to the proposed ATA modifications
is the revocation of your rights to "fair use" of copyrighted material
which you have purchased. Traditionally, once you have purchased a
copyrighted work you are free to do with it what you want as long as you
do not profit from your use of it. Also there is the concept of
"first sale", which means that once you have purchased a copyrighted work
and the royalties from the sale have been distributed to the author, you
may dispose of it in any manner you see fit. These concepts have been
upheld by the Supreme Court. You may sell it, you may burn it, you may
take it out back to the bippy and wipe your ass with it. It is yours to
do with as you please as long as the author has been compensated.
What the proposed ATA specifications propose is to deny you those
constitutional rights to "fair use" and "first sale". The technology is
heavily backed by the MPAA and RIAA, and would squelch forever things you
take for granted today. Like the ability to record a TV program that
comes on while you're at work so you can view it after you get home. Or
the ability to copy a CD to casette so you can listen to music you
legitimately paid for in your car. And maybe even the ability to back up
your own PC data to removable media.
The ultimate goal of the MPAA and the RIAA is to extract a payment from
you for every instance that you view or listen to one of their copyrighted
properties, and the constitutionally protected doctrines of "fair use" and
"first sale" be damned. Try to imagine getting in your car and turning
on the radio and getting charges billed to your bank account for every
song you listen to. Or a VCR that needs your credit card number before
you can use it. Or a casette recorder that has to connect to a number in
Hollywood before it will allow you to record even your own voice.
No, you're not paranoid. The MPAA and RIAA are out to get you, and this
ATA drive spec is just one step in the process.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (MerefBast)
Date: 31 Mar 2001 02:44:35 GMT
Subject: LINUX informational page
Hi. Sorry to bother everyone, but I need help.
I am the author of an educational web site about
operating systems < http://www.operatingsystems.net >.
Although I don't provide a lot of depth on any one
operating system (I'm still working on it), I do provide a
fairly comprehensive overview and comparison of operating
systems (particularly server operating systems).
High traffic has forced the site to move from several
different ISPs. The current ISP can handle the traffic,
but I can't afford their rates.
As a result, it is highly likely that the web site will
close down on April 5th.
If anyone wants to save a copy of the web site to their
disks before the shut down date, then they need to visit
the web site before then. I currently have a set of three
ZIP files of the site as of March 25th ready for download,
and will be posting updated ZIP collections on March 31st
and April 3rd.
Also, if anyone spots any technical errors or outdated
information, please notify me immediately, so that I can
make sure that the information is accurate on the last set
of updates.
And if anyone can help fund the cost of hosting the web
site, please let me know. I have already received pledges
for contributions, but not yet enough to keep the web site
around. Individuals can help by sending a check or money
order to 1-host, 7595 Redwood Blvd, Ste 215, Novota, CA,
94947 (please clearly indicate on the check that the
payment is for "OperatingSystems.net", as the ISP has
thousands of accounts; also do not send cash). If there
are any businesses that want to sponsor particular web
pages (or the entire web site) in trade for a prominent
message, a small icon, and a link, please let me know.
If you want to check out what is at the web site, you
may want to try some of the following web pages:
LINUX: http://www.operatingsystems.net/oses/linux.htm
FILE SYSTEMS: http://www.operatingsystems.net/holistic/connect/filesys.htm
HARDWARE SUPPORTED:
http://www.operatingsystems.net/holistic/hardware/hardware.htm
CHARACTER CODES: http://www.operatingsystems.net/system/physical/charcode.htm
ASSEMBLY LANGUAGE PROGRAMMING:
http://www.operatingsystems.net/topic/language/asm.htm
SECURITY: http://www.operatingsystems.net/holistic/security/security.htm
BASICS OF COMPUTERS: http://www.operatingsystems.net/system/physical/basics.htm
COMPARISON OF OPERATING SYSTEMS:
http://www.operatingsystems.net/kind/summary.htm
KINDS OF OPERATING SYSTEMS: http://www.operatingsystems.net/kind/kinds.htm
I can be contacted at < [EMAIL PROTECTED] >.
Thanks....
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From: Wodger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Earn some money with Linux
Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 12:55:05 +1000
Benjamin Lvovsky wrote:
>
> OK. That's cool. But do Linux people actually BUY software? Everyone got
> used to get it for free. Except $5 CDs because it's cheaper to buy then to
> download and burn;) "FREE" software kills the market. It kills itself.
>
The GPL kills the market by forcing you to make source available. There
are other free software licenses that allow you to release a binary
without exposing your source. For example, Mac OS X is based on freely
available BSD code. I think it is important in the real world that
there is un(GPL)encumbered free source code for competition against M$.
It means that there a low entry barrier for small companies to create
quality software to compete against large companies without needing to
expose their code. GPLed software is actually competing against the
commercial market, not against other products per se (against which much
of it would lose).
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From: "Paolo Ciambotti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: All your PCI slot are belong to Microsoft.
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 20:04:35 -0800
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Marada C.
Shradrakaii" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Just to suit their tastes? In general, you have to rearrange cards to
> deal with large/awkward connectors. For the large antenna to fit on my
> TV card, either it or the sound card or both had to move. Linux,
> unsurprisingly, didn't miss a beat. Windows made it an all-afternoon
> struggle.
I bought a new PCI modem, and it wouldn't fit next to the sound card I had
because of a connector sticking out of the sound card. Anyway, I ended up
having to swap the modem's position in the backplane with the sound card.
Not a big deal, I thought....
Under Windoze, I ended up having to reinstall my printer, my joystick, and
a whole buncha other stuff that shouldn't have been related just to get
Windoze back up and running. It took me two or three hours and a dozen
reboots to get my MSFT stuff into a stable state after a simple PCI board
swap.
Linux, on the other hand, never even noticed. It just worked. IT JUST
FSCKING WORKED!!! I didn't have to do squat on the Linux side. And MSFT
apologists claim how easy Windoze is to work with... bullshit.
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: MS patents ones and zeros...
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 19:20:28 -0800
Mart van de Wege wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Donn Miller"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Yep, we all knew it was coming.
> >
> > http://www.cnn.com@sci-tech@3520040376/new_010325/alert/breakingnews.html
> >
> > Darn, I guess it's back to analog computing with op-amps for the rest of
> > us "little people".
> >
> >
> > -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =-----
> > http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World!
> > -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =-----
> Sorry,
>
> This is too bloody obvious to be a good April Fools' joke. I liked the
> one in the april issue of Linux Magazin (german magazine) a lot better.
> They posted 'evidence' of a backdoor in the Linux TCP stack, and as a
> solution offered to run WINSOCK.DLL under WINE. Too bad that article
> isn't online.
>
> Mart
>
> --
> Write in C, write in C,
> Write in C, yeah, write in C.
> Only wimps use BASIC, Write in C.
> http://www.orca.bc.ca/spamalbum/
HaHa.. Reminds me of one of Groucho Marx in court. "Can you copyright
'can you spare me a dime brother?' " Yes, April Fools.
--
V
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From: "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: US Navy carrier to adopt Win2k infrastructure
Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 03:10:24 GMT
"GreyCloud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> "T. Max Devlin" wrote:
> >
> > Said Chad Myers in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Wed, 28 Mar 2001 01:23:30
> > >"Ed Allen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > >> Bob Hauck <bobh = haucks dot org> wrote:
> > >> >On Sat, 24 Mar 2001 00:25:01 GMT, Chad Myers
> > >> ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> >>> Basically, nobody in the embedded space really wants WinCE or NT.
> > >> >>
> > >> >>You have no facts to back this statement up.
> > >> >
> > >> >Apparently you have no facts to dispute it either. I design and build
> > >> >embedded systems. You claim to be a network admin. Let the reader
> > >> >decide who's making things up.
> > >> >
> > >> http://www.zdnet.com/eweek/stories/general/0,11011,2683068,00.html
> > >>
> > >> eWEEK: Linux, which you have described as your greatest competitive
> > >> threat, is also pushing into the embedded space. What exactly is the
> > >> nature of the Linux threat to Microsoft and what is your strategy to
> > >> deal with it?
> > >>
> > >> BALLMER: The Linux approach has led to an environment from which we can
> > >> all learn, as it's a great way to do developer support. While Windows
> > >> maintains its pre-eminent position in terms of developer support and
> > >> interest, there is something about the way the Linux community supports
> > >> itself that every platform provider should study if it wants to provide
> > >> broad community. The Linux community support model has resonated with
> > >> people.
> > >> [...]
> > >> This partly led to us reducing Windows CE prices quite dramatically over
> > >> the past year ... but I think those prices are now pretty much as low
> > >> as they're likely to go.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> http://www.electronicstimes.com/story/technology/OEG20010208S0006
> > >>
> > >> In his speech Ballmer said their may be more concessions on licensing
> > >> terms from the company as it tries to build up market share in embedded.
> > >>
> > >> "We've dramatically dropped the price of Windows CE over the course of
> > >> the last year. There may be other things we need to do to show greater
> > >> flexibility on terms and conditions," said Ballmer.
> > >>
> > >> The only reason for "dramatically dropped the price" is because
> > >> nobody was buying at the asking price.
> > >>
> > >> Last year it was "No further price reductions are anticipated"
> > >> and then this. I am looking forward to next year.
> > >
> > >So... basically, Windows CE and PocketPC had significant share, of which
> > >Linux was eroding, so MS had to respond.
> >
> > Bwah-ha-ha-ha-ha! No, I don't see any indication that CE ever had any
> > significant share. Just MS getting more and more desperate for someone
> > to buy *any*. There's nothing at all whatsoever in that quote to
> > indicate MS ever had any success at all in embedded systems, save
> > perhaps some self-serving insinuations by Mr. Ballmer.
> >
> > >The original claim was that Windows had almost NO share in the
> > >market at all, which seems to be untrue (wouldn't be the first time
> > >from Bob).
> >
> > No, the claim, which you made, was: (to requote)
> >
> > [Bob:]
> > >> >>> Basically, nobody in the embedded space really wants WinCE or NT.
> > >> >>
> > [Chad:]
> > >> >>You have no facts to back this statement up.
> >
> > And not only is that still valid, unrefuted by your rather pitiful
> > attempt at legerdemain, but proven even more so by the attention. Yes,
> > we have facts to back up our claim that nobody wants it. No, you have
> > no facts to back up your claim that a) we have no facts to back that up,
> > and b) that MS had any significant success in embedded systems.
> >
> > You're Oh-for-two, Sparky. Wanna give up?
> >
> > >> Linux: The Unix defragmentation tool.
> > >
> > >But I thought Linux wasn't Unix?
> >
> > Guess not.
>
> All I've seen at the stores here are Palms running 3.x... no mention of
> CE.
> The HP jornada using CE has disappeared on the shelves. No interest.
Just an update on the whole Palm vs. PocketPC:
http://www.crn.com/Components/Search/Article.asp?ArticleID=24767
The fact is, the Palm stuff is old. Black and white with poor Internet
integration is out, Color fully-functional integrated Internet is in.
-c
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Earn some money with Linux
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 19:25:46 -0800
Benjamin Lvovsky wrote:
>
> OK. That's cool. But do Linux people actually BUY software? Everyone got
> used to get it for free. Except $5 CDs because it's cheaper to buy then to
> download and burn;) "FREE" software kills the market. It kills itself.
>
Yes. I purchased Cygnus GNUPro Toolkit for $150.
Xig sells a faster X server for linux.
> "Bob Hauck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > On Fri, 30 Mar 2001 14:02:46 GMT, Benjamin Lvovsky
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > Do you mean I can I sell compiled with say G++ executables without
> > > providing the source code? I thought GPL and other licences do not
> > > allow that.
> >
> > You can't modify g++ and sell that without providing source code. But
> > you can certainly compile your own code with g++ and keep it
> > proprietary. The GNU toolset is widely used in embedded systems, to
> > give one example of using g++ for proprietary projects.
> >
> > --
> > -| Bob Hauck
> > -| Codem Systems, Inc.
> > -| http://www.codem.com/
--
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From: Michael Vester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: German armed forces ban MS software <gloat!>
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 13:16:14 -0700
"Paul 'Z' Ewande=AE" wrote:
> =
> "T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> =
> <SNIP> Some stuff </SNIP>
> =
> > >But the issue wasn't *sometime* does, the issue was that it couldn't=
,
> > >without any qualifier. Since you and I agree that it sometime does,
> there's
> > >nothing much to add.
> >
> > The issue was that it does. The issue of whether it always does is o=
nly
> > brought up as an argument from ignorance, by the people who apologize=
> > for the monopoly.
> =
> I think that you are using a threaded news reader. So you won't have an=
y
> difficulty at all to find the Michael Versters' [self described credibl=
e
> Linux advocate] post containing:
> =
> "losedos can not format a disk and do something else at the same time. =
"
Please spell my name correctly. I am credible since I use my real name
and a real email address. Proud to be a Linux advocate. Committed to a
world that is not %100 controlled by Bill Gates.
> =
> A sentence like that make me thinks that "losedos"* [yay ! creative nam=
ing !
> how mature !] is unable to multitask while formatting, with no qualifie=
r
> whatsoever. That's what put the "people who apologise for the monopoly"=
in
> motion.
> =
I have standardized on a single name for Microsoft's family of buggy
operating systems, losedos. Qualifier or not, losedos cannot format a dis=
k
and do anything else. I though it was common knowledge. =
> Thus you are wrong on this account. It's "freedom fighter" that implied=
that
> Windows can never format an chew gum at the same time.
> =
It is an observation. Format a good floppy and do "something else"; the
"something else" at best, is very slow. Format a bad floppy disk and do
"something else", losedos will often freeze. The "something else" never
gets a chance to run. Imagine formatting a bad floppy on a busy losedos
server. =
> *Of course, I am assuming that when he wrote "losedos" he was strugglin=
g to
> write Windows. :)
> =
Windows are panes of glass enclosed in frames. That was easy. =
Losedos is a cute play of words. Lose is opposite to win. dos is dos. I
don't take credit for the name. "Losedos" is a recognizable label. The
name "losedos" attacks the OS, not the poster. Losedos has my vote to
represent Microsoft's family of buggy operating systems.
> > --
> > T. Max Devlin
> =
> Paul 'Z' Ewande
Uncrossed from comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy and
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
-- =
Michael Vester
A credible Linux advocate
"The avalanche has started, it is =
too late for the pebbles to vote" =
Kosh, Vorlon Ambassador to Babylon 5
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From: David Kankiewicz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,misc.int-property
Subject: Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, and lies about free software
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 19:35:57 -0800
"Rob S. Wolfram" wrote:
>
> Free beer, not free speech. Clear enough?
What is it that you people don't get? Maybe, the idea that
its all going bye bye... Free Beer/Speech = No more software monkeys
Let me spell it out for you: All your base are belong to us! (That is it!
I'm never going to use that again!!!)
Translation: All your source code belongs to the unifying singularity!
Okay, seriously, the technology to universalize the sporadic, ambiguous,
ubiquitous, redundant, paradigmed, language specific, masquerading, and
otherwise obfuscated programming algorithms, code, etc., into the one
universal base is approaching fast. <sarcasm>Be Scared!</sarcasm>
And you can blame it all on the people who argue what *free* means!!!
It means you can't charge for it, you can't make money off of it, you
can't charge for the use of it, you can't charge for the sell of it,
you can't create mods and charge for them, ad nauseum, ad shittum...
Never Mind... Obviously, none of you are going to see it coming.
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From: Carbon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Microsoft has gone insane
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 23:02:32 -0500
On Fri, 30 Mar 2001 18:59:41 -0800, "Paolo Ciambotti"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Chad Everett"
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Hey! Just another indication that Microsoft wants to charge you for
>> every bit that goes in or out of your computer, PDA, cell phone,
>> satellite dish, toaster, and on and on.
>
>I recall an article where Bill Gates said his ultimate goal was to
>collect a "vig" (short for vigorish, the amount a bookie collects on
>every bet) on every transaction made with a computer.
I think that was actually Nathan Myrhvold. No matter - it's
definitely company policy. I remember reading The Road Ahead, where
chairman Bill complained that the net was bad because it had no
built-in billing structure. (Which is exactly why it had such
explosive growth, obviously.) And now they have all this .net crap
and seem to expect that people will pony up big dollars to "rent"
software. If this isn't a desperate act of self-delusion I don't know
what is.
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