Linux-Advocacy Digest #252, Volume #33 Sun, 1 Apr 01 12:13:02 EDT
Contents:
Re: Communism ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Communism ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Doug, Doug, Doug....(was Re: Communism) ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: ATTN: Outlook Express Users and Virus's ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Multitasking (Chad Everett)
Re: I regretfully conclude that Linux is a piece of CRAP. (Chad Everett)
Re: Linux needs a standard, user proof distro (Byron A Jeff)
Re: Baseball (Chad Everett)
Re: Communism (Donovan Rebbechi)
Re: Communism ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,misc.survivalism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,soc.singles
Subject: Re: Communism
Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 10:38:28 -0400
Mathew wrote:
>
> On Sat, 31 Mar 2001, Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
>
> > Mathew wrote:
> > >
> > > On Sat, 31 Mar 2001, Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
> > >
> > > > Mathew wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thu, 29 Mar 2001, Chad Everett wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > On Fri, 30 Mar 2001 01:03:09 +1000, Mathew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, Gunner � wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >> On Wed, 28 Mar 2001 01:59:15 -0500, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
> > > > > > >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> >> Cuba has dedicated itself to the principle that, within its means, it
> > > > > > >> >> will try not to kill any human beings due to lack of food, shelter,
> > > > > > >> >> medical care, poor sanitation, etc.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> But they got real good at shooting down Cessnas......
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >I wonder what Cuba would be like if Batista and the Mafia still ruled.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It would be a lot like Las Vegas, Nevada
> > > > >
> > > > > I heard the Mob is not so much in control of Vegas now.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Which one of the voices in your head told you that?
> > >
> > > Logic.They control it very much less now than they did in the 60's and 70's.
> > > The Feds want to make sure they get all of their tax money.
> > >
> >
> > Considering that it's an ALL CASH business, perfect for money
> > laundering....how would taxation deter the mob from desiring
> > and maintaining control in Las Vegas?
>
> Tight regulation of the businesses,undercover agents.
>
Good god, Matthew, you really are a fucking moron.
What part of "no recievables, no deliverables" do you not understand?
All they have to do is have a planted "bettor" come in and deliberately
lose at the blackjack table. Ta-daa. Money successfully laundered.
What records?
What's the undercover agent going to see, other than some slob losing
at blackjack (even better if he buys a drink or two so he can play
the part of DRUNK stupid slob.
> >
> >
> >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Aaron R. Kulkis
> > > > Unix Systems Engineer
> >
> >
> > --
> > Aaron R. Kulkis
> > Unix Systems Engineer
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,us.military.army,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,soc.singles,misc.survivalism
Subject: Re: Communism
Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 10:45:50 -0400
GreyCloud wrote:
>
> "T. Max Devlin" wrote:
> >
> > Said Aaron R. Kulkis in alt.destroy.microsoft on Sat, 31 Mar 2001
> > >Roger Perkins wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Again you illustrate both your stupidity and your ignorance. Ignoring your
> > >> childish use of caps, show me that law that makes democracy illegal? I
> > >
> > >Let's see...Roger swore to uphold and defend the Constitution from all
> > >enemies, foreign and domestic...and even claims to teach at a college,
> > >and the old fuckhead doesn't even know what the Constitution says.
> > >
> > >Care to cite ANY section or sections of the US Constitution which
> > >supposedly establish the US as a "democracy" ???
> > [...]
> > >Note that there is NO provision for the people to directly vote on
> > >anything. Therefore, the US Federal government is *NOT* a democracy.
> >
> > What about the one where we elect representatives? Since every citizen
> > has a right to vote in these elections, the US Federal government is a
> > democracy. A democratic republic, in fact.
> >
> > [...]
> > >See above. Any STATE government which attempts to practice "Democracy"
> > >will be struck down.
> >
> > In which state does a citizen not have a vote? Besides Florida, I mean.
> >
> > >Case in Point: Colorado recently passed a law regarding homosexual rights
> > >by "popular referendum". It was struck down the US Supreme Court on
> > >the basis of Article IV, Section 4--that the law was (supposedly) passed
> > >using 'democratic' methods (which are illegal) instead of the Constitutionally
> > >mandated republican procedure of getting the law passed in the LEGISLATURE.
> > >
> > >Any State or Federal "law" which is not passed by the legislature is,
> > >in fact, not a law.
> >
> > Nor is any state or federal law which *IS* passed by the legislature,
> > but then later, as in this case, struck down by the courts.
> >
> > And, yes, referendums are proof that the US is a democracy.
> >
> > --
> > T. Max Devlin
> > *** The best way to convince another is
> > to state your case moderately and
> > accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
>
> Not all states allow referendums. Right now, in Washington State, they
> are arguing that the people who start refs. are causing budgetary
> problems and want to legislate the referendum out of the state
> consitution. Already we've had two big refs. that passed were
> challenged in court and thrown out. So much for the will of the people.
Federal court already ruled that a Colorado law is null and void because
it came into being through a referendum process (an *ILLEGAL* democratic
process), rather than through the legislature (the republican, and ONLY
LEGAL PROCESS for making law at the state and federal level).
> --
> V
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,us.military.army
Subject: Re: Doug, Doug, Doug....(was Re: Communism)
Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 10:52:48 -0400
LShaping wrote:
>
> Would whoever is continuously crossposting, please stop. Looks like
> it is someone from either this alt.destroy.microsoft group or the
> comp.os.linux.advocacy group.
> Thank-you,
> LShaping
What...is a discussion of communism, and the military's role to defend
the Constitution, from all enemies foreign and domestic (including
bubble-headed true-believer communist bastards) somehow off topic
for US.MILITARY.ARMY?
If you truly think so, then maybe you weren't paying attention
when you raised your right hand.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: ATTN: Outlook Express Users and Virus's
Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 10:54:03 -0400
green wrote:
>
> Reality TV crap.
Also known as "broadcast content without having to pay script writers,
actors, sets, etc."
> "GreyCloud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Matthew Gardiner wrote:
> > >
> > > Geeze you yanks have a real problem with a sense of humour.
> > >
> > > Matthew Gardiner
> > >
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Sat, 31 Mar 2001 14:16:07 +1200, Matthew Gardiner
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > >Use a valid email address to make yourselfa accountable for you
> posting.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > If you have more than 5 brains cells at your disposal, you'd be able
> to figure
> > > > out how to remove the anti-spam crap and e-mail me.
> > > >
> > > > If you'd be kind enough to remove all the assholes off the internet,
> I've be
> > > > happy to post without an alias. In the meantime, I use an alias to
> prevent such
> > > > assholes from doing stuff like looking my address up in the phone book
> and
> > > > ordering, fraudulantly, crap that I have to go out of my way to
> return.
> > > >
> > > > Get over it and quit being such a jerk.
> >
> > Actually, I'm quite fond of British humour. I liked Allo' Allo' and
> > "Are you being served?" What is the latest over there currently
> > running?
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chad Everett)
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Multitasking
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 1 Apr 2001 08:59:23 -0600
On Sat, 31 Mar 2001 22:41:27 -0500, JS PL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>Speaking of multi-tasking, I read this thread yesterday and conducted a
>little test on my Win2K system.
>Ran a search for *.exe - then when the files found were up to 605 I stopped
>the search. Selected them all and pressed enter. Ended up with 186 open
>programs without a hitch. I'm pretty sure the rest opened and closed
>themselves as command line programs. The system is a dual 500 w/224mb ram.
>Your incredible Win2K multitasking ability may vary.
>
This is complete and utter Hogwash. First, if you think this is a valid
test of multitasking, you need to educate yourself. Next, I did this
on my Win2K system too. You forgot to mention that when certain *.exe
files are executed, a dialog comes up stating that the application
"can't be run in win32 mode". Launching of all other applications
BLOCKS ON THIS DIALOG until the 'OK' button is pressed. You call that
multitasking? Additionally, when closing many of those applications
that you have opened (like via a logout or shutdown), you will get
additional BLOCKING on dialogs stating that some applications "need
more time to complete" and proceeding with the entire logout and/or
shutdown is suspended until you hit the 'OK' button on the dialog.
Man, get a clue!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chad Everett)
Subject: Re: I regretfully conclude that Linux is a piece of CRAP.
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 1 Apr 2001 09:05:17 -0600
On Sun, 01 Apr 2001 13:39:37 +1200, Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Correct! the book written about her was quite enlightening/
>
>Matthew Gardiner
>
>The Ghost In The Machine wrote:
>
>> In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Karel Jansens
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> wrote
>> on Fri, 30 Mar 2001 13:26:32 +0000
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> >Matthew Gardiner wrote:
>> >>
>> >> One person I would really hate to see in charge of the US is Steve Jobs.
>> >> Could you imagine the havoc that would be unlessed! some finds out a
>> >> secret, and Steve (who is renound for is "quick to fire" response, esp.
>> >> the case of the ATI Randeon debarkle) would nuke the person. Personally,
>> >> I would like to see Magarate Thature in charge of the US, balls of
>> >> steel, ruling with an iron fist.
>> >>
I hate to tell you this, but Margaret Thatcher doesn't have any balls. You
know what balls are, don't you?
>> >Who is/was Margarate Thature?
>>
>> Most likely Margaret Thatcher, who was in 10 Downing Street in England
>> (Great Britain?) back during (part of? all of?)
>> Reagan's tenure as US president. :-)
>>
>> [.sigsnip]
>>
>> --
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- insert random misquote here
>> EAC code #191 54d:20h:39m actually running Linux.
>> Linux. The choice of a GNU generation.
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Byron A Jeff)
Subject: Re: Linux needs a standard, user proof distro
Date: 1 Apr 2001 11:03:34 -0400
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Warren Bell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>With all the stuff I'm hearing about Windows XP and the WPA, that will
>require you to have MS activate your PC after makeing any hardware
>changes, makes me wish there was somthing out there to compete with
>Windows. I mean really compete.
This thread gets trotted out about once a quarter. I've seen it for nearly
9 years, even in the old comp.os.linux days. And frankly nothing has changed.
I dubbed it a long time ago the "Let's dumb down Linux for Grandma.' thread.
Let me give you the short version of the issues involved:
1) No one standard desktop will satisfy all users.
2) A standard desktop that satisfies the majority of users will frustrate
the experts.
3) Users that use software consistently stop being novices users and become
intermediate if not advanced users.
4) Users are USERS! not administrators. Systems that are developed so that
unknowledgeable users can administrate by definition must have a
significantly higher level of complexity that one where the administrators
must have a clue. This complexity adds bloat and instability to the system.
And the final issue
5) M$ has an illegally gained mindshare in the computer industry and no amount
of change in Linux is going to change that mindshare. I do believe that your
assertion that M$ is going to shoot themselves in the foot. However nothing
significant on the Linux side will change that mindshare.
Now I'd be remiss if I didn't throw out a counterproposal. It takes into
account that all users are not the same and that users transistion during
their continued interaction with machines and software. In short it's easier
and more effective to change users than it is to change systems.
1) Instead of having a standard anything, propose a set of reasonable and
useful defaults. This way novice users start from a well known point.
2) Instead of removing features from software, create a layered system where
more advanced features are available as users need them.
3) Consider systems where remote administration is possible. Linux is ideal for
this type of activity. I have no issue with simplified administrative systems
for competent administrators. But you create a monster when you try to create
a system that self administrates because the user doesn't have a clue about
what's going on.
4) Lastly work on changing folks mindshare about Windows machines. This by far
is the toughest task.
In closing consider the PalmPilot as an example of the "change the user, not
the system" argument. For years many different attempts were made to build
a portable handwriting computer such as GO and the Newton. They never
succeeded because their systems tried to conform to the users. The Palm
instead asked the user to learn a new way to write. Once done the system
becomes simple and accurate. The Palm thrived.
Linux need to do something similar. It does it's part by having reasonable
defaults and judicious "complexity hiding". However we ask users to learn
the rationale for keeping the complexity, and watch how grateful they'll be
when it's there when they need it.
BAJ
>
>Linux is a great OS and is getting better all the time, but the average
>computer user won't want to use it. What I think Linux needs is a
>light, user freindly version that anyone can use. Somthing that's
>stripped of most of the server functions and is made for a single or
>multi user home system. Somthing that even the untechnical user can use
>without too many problems. Here are some things that I think would be
>needed to make this work:
>
>- A standard GUI that all Linux distros could use.
>- A GUI that's feels lighter and faster.
>- All the most used admin (root) functions available from point and
>click.
>- All makers of the lighter distro to follow standards so all the
>distros are similar.
>- Of course, more programs that people need for everyday use.
>
>I'd like to see Linux come out with somthing that would really compete
>with windows and give people who arn't tech savvy a choice. Any
>thoughts on this? Any distros that are trying to move twards an OS like
>this?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chad Everett)
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Baseball
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 1 Apr 2001 09:09:22 -0600
On Sun, 01 Apr 2001 01:36:55 GMT, Chris Ahlstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>GreyCloud wrote:
>>
>> Anonymous wrote:
>> >
>> > mike wrote:
>> > > Tomorrow I go see the Mariners play the Cardinals. Folks are
>> > > expecting Mark McGwire to hit the ball completely out of the new
>> > > stadium and be the first player to do so. My neighbor came over this
>> > > morning with four tickets for the game, front row directly behind home
>> > > plate. His employer -- a microsoft billionaire -- gave him the
>> > > tickets. This means that Windows is superior to Linux.
>> > >
>> > > Where are the
>> > > Linux billionaires?
And there, in a nut shell, is the Microsoft argument for superiority. Thank
you very much for proving, without a doubt, that Windows advocates are
are, shall we say, *confused*.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi)
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,misc.survivalism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,soc.singles
Subject: Re: Communism
Date: 1 Apr 2001 15:11:40 GMT
On Sun, 01 Apr 2001 01:12:35 -0500, Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
>Donovan Rebbechi wrote:
>>
>> On Sat, 31 Mar 2001 20:04:45 -0500, Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
>> >Donovan Rebbechi wrote:
>> >>
>> >> On Sat, 31 Mar 2001 12:03:12 -0500, Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
>> >> >Mathew wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >>
>> >> >> What about Capitalist dictatorships like the Philippines under Marcos?
>> >> >
>> >> >It's a perfect exampe of what I was saying: Economic freedom leads to
>> >> >political freedom...because it destabilizes the dictatorship.
>> >>
>> >> Singapore ?
>> >>
>> >
>> >Singapore was quite the benign dictatorship. The economic freedom
>> >(to pack up and leave if things got bad) meant that those in charge
>> >were kept in line by the simple specter of mass emmigration of
>> >the most talented people to...somewhere beyond their control.
>>
>> My point is that they have some economic freedom. I agree with you on
>> this point btw -- lack of economic freedom would result in mass-migration. See
>> China as a shining example of this ... yeah, I know China is poor, but
>> there are other poor countries where that the ethnic Chinese aren't
>> mass-migrating away from ...
>>
>> But my point was that Singapore really doesn't offer any political freedom.
>> And their economic freedom has not produced political freedom.
>
>Actually, it did. The dictatorship was maintained ONLY by those in
>charge not devolving from a benevolent dictatorship into a MALevolent
>dictatorship.
>
>Thus...the ability to emmigrate *IS* the political power in such
>a province.
I see what you mean. Yes, I suppose that's true, but still, their political
fr4eedom is pretty weak. (Even the Chinese have the "freedom" to pack their
bags and go, after they've worked for a few years)
--
Donovan Rebbechi * http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/ *
elflord at panix dot com
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,misc.survivalism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,soc.singles
Subject: Re: Communism
Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 11:33:17 -0400
Donovan Rebbechi wrote:
>
> On Sun, 01 Apr 2001 01:12:35 -0500, Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
> >Donovan Rebbechi wrote:
> >>
> >> On Sat, 31 Mar 2001 20:04:45 -0500, Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
> >> >Donovan Rebbechi wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> On Sat, 31 Mar 2001 12:03:12 -0500, Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
> >> >> >Mathew wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> >> What about Capitalist dictatorships like the Philippines under Marcos?
> >> >> >
> >> >> >It's a perfect exampe of what I was saying: Economic freedom leads to
> >> >> >political freedom...because it destabilizes the dictatorship.
> >> >>
> >> >> Singapore ?
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >Singapore was quite the benign dictatorship. The economic freedom
> >> >(to pack up and leave if things got bad) meant that those in charge
> >> >were kept in line by the simple specter of mass emmigration of
> >> >the most talented people to...somewhere beyond their control.
> >>
> >> My point is that they have some economic freedom. I agree with you on
> >> this point btw -- lack of economic freedom would result in mass-migration. See
> >> China as a shining example of this ... yeah, I know China is poor, but
> >> there are other poor countries where that the ethnic Chinese aren't
> >> mass-migrating away from ...
> >>
> >> But my point was that Singapore really doesn't offer any political freedom.
> >> And their economic freedom has not produced political freedom.
> >
> >Actually, it did. The dictatorship was maintained ONLY by those in
> >charge not devolving from a benevolent dictatorship into a MALevolent
> >dictatorship.
> >
> >Thus...the ability to emmigrate *IS* the political power in such
> >a province.
>
> I see what you mean. Yes, I suppose that's true, but still, their political
> fr4eedom is pretty weak. (Even the Chinese have the "freedom" to pack their
> bags and go, after they've worked for a few years)
Depends on how much those in power NEEDED the economic benefits of the
inhabitants. It might not be publicly expressed, but I'm sure that
everybody understood (both the ruling elite and the average businessman
on the street) that the source of the enclave's wealth lies in the
businessmen's willingness to work IN Singapore...and that any moves
which motivate the businessmen to pick up and leave is ultimately
not helpful to those who run the joint.
>
> --
> Donovan Rebbechi * http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/ *
> elflord at panix dot com
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Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
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